abhorrent1: BitwiseShift: The city of Delray, Florida will no longer hire people who regularly use tobacco products or are female or obese in order to keep health insurance premiums lowThere. Enhanced It For You.Forgot something
Vegan Meat Popsicle: skullkrusher: except the whole "CHOOSE" part of that is bogus. You don't CHOOSE to have a history of heart disease but if you do, you create a significant risk above and beyond. The costs of coverage don't care if the higher outlay is due to voluntary behavior or a bad genetic hand being dealt.The fact that I only referenced choices in no way excludes inherent traits so I don't really get what your point is. Yes, if you're born with a genetic defect that the insurance company knows about you'll pay more. But that's not what this thread is about. This thread is about presumably otherwise healthy people choosing to make themselves unhealthy and then whining that the choice has consequences. Making a choice to become unhealthy should have consequences related to health insurance. ESPECIALLY since people who have no choice in the matter already have their health problems held against them from day one.If we're going to say it's okay to discriminate on health premiums against people born with defects, we should definitely be discriminating against defects who choose to have health problems.
PlatinumDragon: Either carry out your employer's insurance-approved exercise regimen TO THE LETTER, or find another job sluggard other insurance! Good luck finding one!
Chafed Willi: Wait, how is being a fatty a drain on the system?
FistingMidgets: To all those wanting them to discriminate against stupid - they are. Only a stupid person would smoke knowing all the cost, addiction and health issues.
PallMall: kimmygibblershomework: Meanwhile, nepotismBAN ALL FAMILY RUN BUSINESSES!!!FistingMidgets: To all those wanting them to discriminate against stupid - they are. Only a stupid person would smoke knowing all the cost, addiction and health issues.[vintage-original-ads.com image 287x399]
PallMall: probesport: PallMall: So you can refuse to hire someone because they're fat? Obviously you have no experience in hiring employees.The job requires all employees be able to bend down, pick up 40 lbs then carry it 10 feet.If they can't, they're disabled... so you have to get a fork-lift addon to their hover-round. Blame the ADA.
FistingMidgets: I am sure heroine provides even greater pleasure so why not do that?
zarberg: Rather than spend even more money advertising that cigarettes are bad, let's just take the filters out and not worry about the bad crap - let people smoke themselves to death. It's a free country, they can smoke if they want, but let's at least reduce the burden on the system by making the cigarettes as deadly as possible.
probesport: PallMall: probesport: PallMall: So you can refuse to hire someone because they're fat? Obviously you have no experience in hiring employees.The job requires all employees be able to bend down, pick up 40 lbs then carry it 10 feet.If they can't, they're disabled... so you have to get a fork-lift addon to their hover-round. Blame the ADA.You have to make reasonable accommodation, that is not reasonable for this position, which is on the moon.
PallMall: Chafed Willi: Wait, how is being a fatty a drain on the system?Citation
MikeMc: How does the city of Delray feel about purple drank?/asking for a friend
super_grass: As long as we can do the same for people with alcohol, obesity, or substance abuse issues, i don't see a problem.
billybobtoo: It's all rehab/recovery centers in Delray. Heavily Jewish. Nice beach.
Rik01: However, you may still drink until your liver rots out, be -- especially if you're a guy -- 100 lbs overweight (and all of that poking out the front of your uniform shirt), smoke pot, do meth and be hooked on any of assorted painkillers.I wonder how the guys who have to go into reeking sewer systems feel about this? After several hours wading through thigh high human shiat full of who knows what nasty diseases, I'd think a relaxing smoke would be welcome.Not to mention working in the repair shop, where they get to be exposed to all sorts of chemicals and krud on the garbage and spray trucks. (The mechanics often have to pull dead rats off transmissions and dig bolt heads out of packed, rotting garbage along with being exposed to vast amounts of low grade diesel fuel.)And they're worried about tobacco usage?
RevMark: FTA: "Smokers can cost a company or government agency an average of $12,000 a year in health and disability-related costs."So they have potentially saved the city $12,000. I guess they have nothing more important to deal with.
Jon iz teh kewl: MikeMc: How does the city of Delray feel about purple drank?/asking for a frienduh only if u have a legal prescription. and drink small amounts at once.
scarmig: The the City of Delray could just replace all the people with robotics, then could eliminate the entire health budget completely.People are expensive. Why hire them at all?
scarmig: They the City of Delray would just replace all the people with robotics golems, they could eliminate the entire health budget completely.
cig-mkr: Perhaps they should review people with children too, kids cost a lot of money to keep healthy.
MikeMc: Jon iz teh kewl: MikeMc: How does the city of Delray feel about purple drank?/asking for a frienduh only if u have a legal prescription. and drink small amounts at once.If you have a legal prescription and drink small amounts you're not calling it "purple drank"...
Rufus Lee King: All kidding aside, this sort of stuff enters into dangerous territory.
Dafuq: All you people saying that fat people should be discrimitated against aren't looking at the big picture. No one forces you to smoke, but you still have to eat. Healthy eating is way more expensive than eating processed crap that causes obesity. I didn't eat a lot myself, but was 270 on the scale. I changed my diet and have lost 50 pounds so far. My grocery bill is also up about $70 a week. My sister was was very big herself. She didn't eat a lot, as her family was very poor. What they could afford to eat is what caused the weight gain. No amount of exercise will cause you to loose that much weight if you still eat like crap. Their second daughter is very active in sports, but still chunky.Smokers know the risks when they start smoking. They can suck it.
Valiente: Aesthetically displeasing People of Wal-Mart don't really have the same health impact, in my view, even if they are hard on the eyes
Cast: As a smoker, I would point out that we are subsidizing your own healthcare and social security, since we pay massive taxes towards healthcare that you don't, and won't live long enough to be a leech on the system. Ultimately, it is healthy farks that go to the doctor every 3 months and for every little nothing that will drag the nation into bankruptcy.But by all means, keep blaming the evil smelly smokers.
Jon iz teh kewl: MikeMc: Jon iz teh kewl: MikeMc: How does the city of Delray feel about purple drank?/asking for a frienduh only if u have a legal prescription. and drink small amounts at once.If you have a legal prescription and drink small amounts you're not calling it "purple drank"...if you're gay you might. don't rule out gay people.
Cheron: As a nonsmoker I think this is a bad idea. Can they also not hire some one who eats fast food, rides a bike without a helmet or has multiple sex partners? When we use health cost as a measuring stick we can restrict all sorts of legal behavior because they statistically increase risk.
MikeMc: Valiente: Aesthetically displeasing People of Wal-Mart don't really have the same health impact, in my view, even if they are hard on the eyesHaving to view these people is a mental health issue and every bit as damaging.
PlatinumDragon: Mote, beam, eye, etc.
Cyrorm: Gee, so nice of you to stero-type all smokers.
Kazrath: If you draw out the costs of smokers vs non smokers over an entire life spam (Smokers being shorter on average) the costs for the insurance company are basically a wash
Kazrath: Next up they are going to indicate that if you do not take public transportation you are taking choice based risks to your health and increase your premium further.
Rufus Lee King: Health insurance? What's that?
Valiente: Rufus Lee King: All kidding aside, this sort of stuff enters into dangerous territory.It does, but it's a discussion worth having.You've got to eat to live. Fat people (including "glandular" types, which are vanishingly rare in real life) eat too much and/or the wrong things. If they diet to a healthy weight that reduces their propensity toward fat-related diseases, they eat less and better.Smokers don't smoke less or better. They voluntarily smoke (well, until they get addicted to the delicious nicotine) until they quit, entirely. Smoking was never necessary. Also, unless they stroke out on the highway or fall on you to the point of crushing you, the fattie's overeating doesn't (unless you are in a lifeboat!) in the normal course of event affect the non-fat person.
Monkeyfark Ridiculous: "The city of Delray, Florida will no longer hire people who regularly use tobacco products in order to keep health insurance premiums low"I wouldn't hire them either. A person would have to be a special kind of stupid to use tobacco products in order to keep health insurance premiums low.
stonelotus: hiring stupid people still okay.
Vegan Meat Popsicle: RickyWilliams'sBong: Can't tax or discriminate against the fatasses though, of courseOnly because of stupid people like you and your brainless attitude toward the subject. I'm all for taxing fatasses. And alcoholics.You want to put risk into the system? Pay. Not a tough concept. Although I'd be okay with a system that fat lardos, braindead smokers and alcoholics could sign on to that permanently exempts every medical professional in the country from treating them if they can't pay cash or produce an insurance card as an alternative and which states that if a professional chooses to treat them anyway that all costs associated with the treatment are strictly there's to assume if the lardo/smoker/alcoholic can't pay for the treatment. Just don't really know how you'd implement it.Smokers are the dumbest, most selfish people on the planet. "Oh no! I do something that has no social or economic benefit but incurs social and economic costs and people don't like that! Why won't other people pay the price for my decisions! It's my right to inflict costs on everyone else for my own pleasure!"Idiots.
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