Jon iz teh kewl: if smoking is soo bad plz make it ILLEGAL. if u find fault in this sentence, legalize pot
badhatharry: Egoy3k: So if someone were to irregularly use tobacco then what? I mean what if they give themselves snuff suppositories or something?It will show up on your drug test.
RickyWilliams'sBong: Can't tax or discriminate against the fatasses though, of course
badhatharry: That's right. Birth control pills cost $3,000 per year.
badhatharry: You fatties better speak up. They will come for you next. Then maybe the people with pre-existing conditions. Just cost too much to hire.
vernonFL: I'm not trolling here - I smoked for years and my health insurance through my company was not more than anyone else. When I quit smoking, my costs did not go down.
karmaceutical: super_grass: As long as we can do the same for people with alcohol, obesity, or substance abuse issues, i don't see a problem.How about heart problems?
PallMall: super_grass: As long as we can do the same for people with alcohol, obesity, or substance abuse issues, i don't see a problem.THIS.Smokers -> CigarettesFats -> FoodIt's discrimination to single out a group of folks who are addicted to cigarettes, but not the ones who are addicted to food.
austin_millbarge: PallMall: super_grass: As long as we can do the same for people with alcohol, obesity, or substance abuse issues, i don't see a problem.THIS.Smokers -> CigarettesFats -> FoodIt's discrimination to single out a group of folks who are addicted to cigarettes, but not the ones who are addicted to food.Since when is smoking a requirement to stay alive?
Cheron: As a nonsmoker I think this is a bad idea. Can they also not hire some one who eats fast food, rides a bike without a helmet or has multiple sex partners? When we use health cost as a measuring stick we can restrict all sorts of legal behavior because they statistically increase risk.
Jon iz teh kewl: if marijuana is so much better for u why not legalize it??
gja: Dear subby,Go give a shotgun a blowjob./no, really
Jon iz teh kewl: so what you're saying is if i only smoke, say 4 a day i'm not really "addicted" cause it's a level LOWER than the "addiction" level.go to hell. everything is addictive. but we dont' care. if u don't like smoking make it illegal. then no one will smoke at work.
TheYeti: However, the BMI is sort of silly...I wish that they'd just test bodyfat.
Egoy3k: Until such time as it is made illegal this sort of action against the users of tobacco is not going to stand up well in court.
Vegan Meat Popsicle: RickyWilliams'sBong: Can't tax or discriminate against the fatasses though, of courseOnly because of stupid people like you and your brainless attitude toward the subject. I'm all for taxing fatasses. And alcoholics.You want to put risk into the system? Pay. Not a tough concept. Although I'd be okay with a system that fat lardos, braindead smokers and alcoholics could sign on to that permanently exempts every medical professional in the country from treating them if they can't pay cash or produce an insurance card as an alternative and which states that if a professional chooses to treat them anyway that all costs associated with the treatment are strictly there's to assume if the lardo/smoker/alcoholic can't pay for the treatment. Just don't really know how you'd implement it.Smokers are the dumbest, most selfish people on the planet. "Oh no! I do something that has no social or economic benefit but incurs social and economic costs and people don't like that! Why won't other people pay the price for my decisions! It's my right to inflict costs on everyone else for my own pleasure!"Idiots.
doubled99: The "troll" is just as legitimate an argument.
stupiddream: What I would like to see is higher taxes on fast/junk food and soda/sugary drinks. Smokers pay more taxes. There are too many of us on this planet anyway, why not let them smoke and eat and drink till their hearts are content (pun intended). One thing that keeps health costs high is keeping someone alive with machines. They bought the ticket, I say let 'em crash.
Vegan Meat Popsicle: doubled99: The "troll" is just as legitimate an argument.Actually you racist prick, what you mean is that they shouldn't hire black people since black men account for a hugely disproportionate number of new AIDS cases.You're a racist.
Reverend Monkeypants: Yeah, THAT's the thing that will lower health insurance. Not the removal of the government subsidization of the big pharma but not hiring smokers.That's it, I'm firing all my bacon eating employees.
kidakita: Wouldn't it just be cheaper and easier to round up all the smokers, fatties, drinkers and regular drug users (legal and illegal) and gas them? While we're at it, we can also round up rock climbers, motorcycle riders, and "extreme" sports people and gas them too. That way there will only be healthy people who are not "at risk" sitting in their cubicles slaving away. Heck, we'll all live forever and not cost the system a dime, existing solely to make a profit for the State. We can all be heroes and wear our hero tags on our healthy and safe drone asses.
austin_millbarge: Since when is smoking a requirement to stay alive?
Debeo Summa Credo: Through cigarette taxes and earlier deaths (this lower soc security payments), smokers actually contribute more to society than they take out.
HotWingConspiracy: Egoy3k: Until such time as it is made illegal this sort of action against the users of tobacco is not going to stand up well in court.LOLSmokers aren't a protected class. The court will tell them to stop smoking or seek employment elsewhere.
super_grass: karmaceutical: super_grass: As long as we can do the same for people with alcohol, obesity, or substance abuse issues, i don't see a problem.How about heart problems?Only if it's congenital. Otherwise, it's a self inflicted injury like tobacco addiction.And we can't have these people raising our insurance rates.
Rufus Lee King: Well, following this "logic", African-Americans should be charged higher premiums because they are more prone to hypertension than whites.That won't go, now, will it?
PallMall: Then fat people shouldn't be a protected class either. I'm pretty sure if Delray, FL quit hiring fat people, their insurance would drop at least 50% vs the 5%-10% it will drop by cutting smokers.
Spartacus Outlaw: They are using a hypothetical $12,000 a year cost of insurance and disability. The figure must be an average, taken from a few who get sick and then they spread the cost out over everyone who smokes to come up with a figure that they then say applies to everyone. Okay, that didn't make much sense.
JackieRabbit: vernonFL: I'm not trolling here - I smoked for years and my health insurance through my company was not more than anyone else. When I quit smoking, my costs did not go down.Health insurance companies sometimes now offer employers some discounting for encouraging employees not to smoke. They will often cover the cost of smoking cessation programs. Most don't care about employees being obese, but that's changing. But those discounts evaporate if the insurance company starts paying out more in claims for the company's employees. Smart employers know that regardless of what they do, their health insurance costs are going to go up every year. It's the cost of doing business, though many companies pass 100% of the increase off to their employees.I turned 55 this year and on 9/29, I received notice from HR that effective 10/1, the cost of my voluntary group life insurance coverage would increase by 200% because of my age. I was a bit shocked by this. HR, in their typical HR understanding, told me that open season was coming up and I could reduce my premium down to the standard rate again if I were to take no more than $50K coverage. And, why yes, this moronic recommendation did come from a 26 year old ditzy blond, who still lives with her parents.
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