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(Sun Sentinel)   The city of Delray, Florida will no longer hire people who regularly use tobacco products in order to keep health insurance premiums low   (sun-sentinel.com) divider line 331
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2012-10-02 08:09:37 AM  
Wow, subs, its too damn early for this kind of trollin
 
2012-10-02 08:09:58 AM  
hero tag is highly inappropriate. is there no anti-smoking fascist tag?
 
2012-10-02 09:46:37 AM  
As an ex-smoker, smoking is an addiction that should be covered just like an alcohol or other drug addiction. Smokers should have to pay significantly more for their health insurance.
 
2012-10-02 09:58:50 AM  

vernonFL: As an ex-smoker, smoking is an addiction that should be covered just like an alcohol or other drug addiction. Smokers should have to pay significantly more for their health insurance.


Don't they already pay more?
 
2012-10-02 09:59:16 AM  
The city of Delray, Florida will no longer hire people who regularly use tobacco products or are female in order to keep health insurance premiums low

There. Enhanced It For You.
 
2012-10-02 10:00:05 AM  
Troll, troll, troll your Fark
Be a stupid ass, ...

Law suit in 5... 4... 3...
 
GBB
2012-10-02 10:00:13 AM  
smokers are disgusting people... treat them like lepers.
 
2012-10-02 10:00:57 AM  

BitwiseShift: The city of Delray, Florida will no longer hire people who regularly use tobacco products or are female or obese in order to keep health insurance premiums low

There. Enhanced It For You.


Forgot something
 
2012-10-02 10:01:06 AM  
You fatties better speak up. They will come for you next. Then maybe the people with pre-existing conditions. Just cost too much to hire.
 
2012-10-02 10:01:23 AM  

JonPace: vernonFL: As an ex-smoker, smoking is an addiction that should be covered just like an alcohol or other drug addiction. Smokers should have to pay significantly more for their health insurance.

Don't they already pay more?


Yep.
 
2012-10-02 10:01:39 AM  

JonPace: vernonFL: As an ex-smoker, smoking is an addiction that should be covered just like an alcohol or other drug addiction. Smokers should have to pay significantly more for their health insurance.

Don't they already pay more?


By a lot. It's also an easy way to get denied coverage. He's trolling out of his ass, ignore everything he said after 'As'.

BitwiseShift: The city of Delray, Florida will no longer hire people who regularly use tobacco products or are female in order to keep health insurance premiums low

There. Enhanced It For You.


You missed 'fat' or 'per-existing conditions'. But yeah.
 
2012-10-02 10:03:03 AM  
This is awesome. Glad to see more places doing this.

My last job did this and it was fantastic. Current employer is working to eliminate it from the entire property, which means smokes need to walk to the street. Might not be a motivation to quit for most of you, until you realize that I work in a Canadian suburb. -30 with high humidity winds = sucky.
 
2012-10-02 10:03:16 AM  
As long as we can do the same for people with alcohol, obesity, or substance abuse issues, i don't see a problem.
 
2012-10-02 10:03:30 AM  
"In order to keep health insurance premiums low, the city of Delray, Florida will no longer hire people who regularly use tobacco products"

Now that makes more sense.
 
2012-10-02 10:03:39 AM  
What if they regularly use tobacco products for some other reason than healthcare costs?
 
2012-10-02 10:03:40 AM  
Cool!
When can we start discriminating against fat people now that it's all about health?
 
2012-10-02 10:03:47 AM  
I can just feel the compassion and the thoughtful, well-written comments bubbling up in this thread.
 
2012-10-02 10:03:56 AM  
As a nonsmoker I think this is a bad idea. Can they also not hire some one who eats fast food, rides a bike without a helmet or has multiple sex partners? When we use health cost as a measuring stick we can restrict all sorts of legal behavior because they statistically increase risk.
 
2012-10-02 10:05:01 AM  
Marijuana, Heroin, Oxy, Cocaine and Kool Aid still acceptable
 
2012-10-02 10:05:15 AM  

abhorrent1: BitwiseShift: The city of Delray, Florida will no longer hire people who regularly use tobacco products or are female or obese or minority in order to keep health insurance premiums low

There. Enhanced It For You.

Forgot something

 
2012-10-02 10:05:16 AM  
I'm not trolling here - I smoked for years and my health insurance through my company was not more than anyone else. When I quit smoking, my costs did not go down.
 
2012-10-02 10:05:35 AM  
"The city of Delray, Florida will no longer hire people who regularly use tobacco products in order to keep health insurance premiums low"

I wouldn't hire them either. They'd have to be some special kind of stupid to use tobacco products in order to keep health insurance premiums low.
 
2012-10-02 10:05:45 AM  
Health Insurance companies love fatties because they by nature aren't too health conscious on average, see the doctor less often and die quick deaths from heath attack.

It's LIFE insurance companies that hate fatties... for all the same reasons.
 
2012-10-02 10:05:55 AM  

JonPace: Don't they already pay more?


Yea. But everybody else does too when it's group insurance.

And, as usual, all the smoking idiots come out and claim this is some rights issue. Is anybody telling you that you can't smoke? Nope. Only that if you're stupid enough to that you should bear the brunt of the consequences on your own.

Go burn your lungs to a crisp on your dime, shiatheads, I shouldn't have to pay for your stupidity.

/ and stay in your own house to do it while you're at it
 
2012-10-02 10:06:33 AM  
I refuse to hire anyone who cannot count to potato. Out also are those who cannot demonstrate multi-tasking skills by texting and driving at the same time.
 
2012-10-02 10:06:42 AM  
if marijuana is so much better for u why not legalize it??
 
2012-10-02 10:07:31 AM  
Don't forget the gays. One AIDS claim hit us for over $1 million.
 
2012-10-02 10:07:54 AM  

vernonFL: I'm not trolling here - I smoked for years and my health insurance through my company was not more than anyone else. When I quit smoking, my costs did not go down.


Yeah, but now you get to pay premiums for more years.
 
2012-10-02 10:08:21 AM  
Sounds good, I hope they put the squeeze on fatties next.
 
2012-10-02 10:08:40 AM  
"We AAAAAALLLLLL bundle."
www.barstoolentertainment.com
 
gja [TotalFark]
2012-10-02 10:09:35 AM  
Dear subby,
Go give a shotgun a blowjob.

/no, really
 
2012-10-02 10:10:00 AM  

super_grass: As long as we can do the same for people with alcohol, obesity, or substance abuse issues, i don't see a problem.


THIS.

Smokers -> Cigarettes
Fats -> Food

It's discrimination to single out a group of folks who are addicted to cigarettes, but not the ones who are addicted to food.
 
2012-10-02 10:10:25 AM  
"The city of Delray, Florida will no longer hire people who regularly use tobacco products in order to keep health insurance premiums low"

I wouldn't hire them either. A person would have to be a special kind of stupid to use tobacco products in order to keep health insurance premiums low.
 
2012-10-02 10:10:32 AM  

badhatharry: You fatties better speak up. They will come for you next. Then maybe the people with pre-existing conditions. Just cost too much to hire.


This in a big big way
 
2012-10-02 10:10:40 AM  
A lot of angry smokers in this thread.... LOL
 
2012-10-02 10:10:54 AM  
It is a good idea but there are numbers that show Tobacco users have a lower lifetime health cost than non users. Lung Cancer is expensive to treat but it is also a relatively quick killer, compared to caring for someone for decades with all the minor senior problems.

Link
 
2012-10-02 10:10:57 AM  

BitwiseShift: The city of Delray, Florida will no longer hire people who regularly use tobacco products or are female in order to keep health insurance premiums low

There. Enhanced It For You.


or have children
 
2012-10-02 10:11:26 AM  
When are they going to start discriminating against stupid? That would be refreshing. She's paying $800 for toilet seats but at least she doesn't smoke.
 
2012-10-02 10:11:48 AM  

cchris_39: Don't forget the gays. One AIDS claim hit us for over $1 million.


Obvious troll is obvious.
 
2012-10-02 10:11:48 AM  

abhorrent1: BitwiseShift: The city of Delray, Florida will no longer hire people who regularly use tobacco products or are female or obese in order to keep health insurance premiums low

There. Enhanced It For You.

Forgot something


That's right. Birth control pills cost $3,000 per year.
 
2012-10-02 10:12:04 AM  
They are using a hypothetical $12,000 a year cost of insurance and disability. The figure must be an average, taken from a few who get sick and then they spread the cost out over everyone who smokes to come up with a figure that they then say applies to everyone. Okay, that didn't make much sense.

What I'm trying to say is they aren't going to magically save many, many thousands of dollars. They just potentially will not have to pay as much.

When I quit smoking my health insurance premium went down less than $40 a month.
 
2012-10-02 10:12:49 AM  

vernonFL: As an ex-smoker, smoking is an addiction that should be covered just like an alcohol or other drug addiction. Smokers should have to pay significantly more for their health insurance.


I agree. Places I've worked that had health insurance, the employee share was about $60 a month higher for smokers, and I didn't have a problem with it. The $2500 deductible before a cent of coverage kicks in, I had issues with...
 
2012-10-02 10:13:13 AM  
So if someone were to irregularly use tobacco then what? I mean what if they give themselves snuff suppositories or something?
 
2012-10-02 10:13:58 AM  
Smokers already pay ever-higher taxes allegedly due to various health cost reasons, even though they don't live as long and consequently don't suck Medicare dry.

Can't tax or discriminate against the fatasses though, of course. Not that I'd advocate it in principle, but if we're going to penalize one (now fairly small) group for unhealthy behavior, everybody should be fair game.
 
2012-10-02 10:14:09 AM  
the real issue here, and i'm shocked, shocked i tells you, that you fark independents and small gov't types aren't outraged about this. if the government were the one imposing restrictions that essentially lead to 'who can work where,' the tea party (if they were as advertised) would hold several 2 hr rallies in protest. but an insurance company, essentially dictating to a business entity, how they should be run?

thats cool bro. carry on
 
2012-10-02 10:15:29 AM  

Egoy3k: So if someone were to irregularly use tobacco then what? I mean what if they give themselves snuff suppositories or something?


It will show up on your drug test.
 
2012-10-02 10:15:47 AM  
if smoking is soo bad plz make it ILLEGAL. if u find fault in this sentence, legalize pot
 
2012-10-02 10:17:03 AM  
So it's ok to deny employment to smokers, but what about fat people? Would as many people agree with denying the obese as they do smoking? I don't smoke anymore, and wish I had never started, but it's the principle of the matter. If a city government can do this, then where will the line be drawn?

435,000 deaths caused by smoking.

400,000 deaths caused by obesity.

If you ban smoking, then you will have to get rid of the snack machine in the break room. All this is going to do is have people lying about smoking to get a job and piss off the people who don't want to lie.

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/releases/6438.php
 
2012-10-02 10:18:02 AM  
as a smoker, I am ok with this as long as they also ban all of the disgusting obese from working
 
2012-10-02 10:18:11 AM  

super_grass: As long as we can do the same for people with alcohol, obesity, or substance abuse issues, i don't see a problem.


How about heart problems?
 
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