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(Some Guy)   The iPhone 5's camera comes with a magical purple haze filter built into every picture   (wmpoweruser.com) divider line 99
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2012-10-02 07:39:46 AM

haydenarrrrgh: AverageAmericanGuy: The iPhone camera is used for spur of the moment shots, not for serious photography. Anyone trying to pin "limited camera feature" on a smartphone needs to get in touch with reality. Go buy a medium format DSLR if you want great photos.

You'd better tell that to Apple's marketing department


Apple's marketing department likes taking pictures of young girls, and... 'manipulating' the images. Teehee!
 
2012-10-02 07:45:28 AM
I think it's pretty. Maybe this will be the feature that convinces me to buy an iPhone.

/not bloody likely
 
2012-10-02 08:02:56 AM
This makes me feel better that I got the iPhone 4s last week, instead of the iPhone 5. Not really any significant improvements other than 4G capability, and Sprint won't offer 4G in my area for at least another year, if not longer.

I'd probably be happier with a premium Android phone, but as a developer, I wanted to break into the iOS market, and this at least gives me some hardware to play with now.
 
2012-10-02 08:05:33 AM
If you want to take good photos (to the extent that it's possible) with an iphone, get one of these.

And one of these.

farm8.staticflickr.com
 
2012-10-02 08:10:41 AM
the best smartphone camera regular consumers can buy

Wut?

The iPhone's camera is shiat. Even my crap-ass Thunderbolt took better pictures than the iPhone 4s.
 
2012-10-02 08:13:30 AM

fusillade762: Between this and their f-d up mapping feature I'm thinking they didn't do enough testing.


This is the key. Aside from being obnoxious fashion accessories, the only other thing Apple really had going for it was Jobs' psychopathic insistence on having every tiny little nanometer of each device scoured for (his idea of) perfection. To have a shiatty maps app and an oversight like this in one device isn't exactly new territory for the phone market, but for Apple? Jobs would have heads. 

If Apple doesn't have an obsessive attention to detail, Apple doesn't have anything except the same crap everybody else is releasing.
 
2012-10-02 08:20:57 AM
Can someone please explain when the purple haze shows up better than the guy in the article? I could not replicate the issue in my apartment, but I think that could easily be explained by my lights not being bright enough.

I walked outside, pointed the camera to the left of the sun, and took a picture. If I did it wrong by grabbing too much of the sun or if I need to find a place where the sunlight does not get partially broken up by that tree, please let me know. I'd happily go out and take more pictures. I have, probably, taken about 50 pictures with my phone since I got it and haven't noticed one issue with it yet. In fact, I have been impressed with how fast it is.

imageshack.us
 
2012-10-02 08:50:04 AM
As an optical engineer for applications very similar to camera phones, Im getting a kick out of this thread.
 
2012-10-02 08:51:00 AM
i45.tinypic.com

Just get the iPhone 5 with the accessory pack.
It becomes much more useful.
 
2012-10-02 08:57:59 AM
If photo quality is the most important factor in your smartphone purchasing decision, don't buy an iPhone.

I'm sure there's a Korean OEM who'll meet your needs by sticking an expensive CCD in a generic black casing, selling 5000 units, and then discontinuing the model without ever releasing an OS update.
 
2012-10-02 09:00:18 AM

poot_rootbeer: If photo quality is the most important factor in your smartphone purchasing decision, don't buy an iPhone.

 
2012-10-02 09:11:17 AM

bulldg4life: Can someone please explain when the purple haze shows up better than the guy in the article? I could not replicate the issue in my apartment, but I think that could easily be explained by my lights not being bright enough.


I think this is the original reproducible test

It sounds like you have to point the camera at something very bright like the sun, then move the light source just off the edge of the screen then take your picture.
 
2012-10-02 09:20:15 AM
Looks like IR contamination.
 
2012-10-02 09:30:44 AM

Ed Finnerty: It's because a tiny soul gem fragment containing Steve Jobs is in every iPhone 5.


can i use it to enchant my macbook pro?
 
2012-10-02 09:47:27 AM
September, October, November are the constant complaint months from all the new Apple phone buyers.

I find out every flaw for those months straight.

So I have a question, WHY DO YOU BUY IT? Why not just wait those months out, find out all the complaints first and save yourself the wait in line.

Why? Because you have no self value, so you wait in line like morons, hoping to get this phone that you think will increase your social value, but it doesn't, we hate listening to you biatch about the device you bragged about going to wait in line to buy a month ago.

//Not an iPhone lover or hater, just a casual observer
//I actually own an HTC Android phone, biggest piece of garbage ever, allow me to biatch about it...
 
2012-10-02 09:48:46 AM
It is normal. It's called "purple fringing" & it's a type of chromatic aberration. Even many SLR lenses suffer from it, though it is typically worse with a low quality lens. Especially from a phone camera, it's to be expected.
 
2012-10-02 09:49:48 AM
This is why I never buy the first release of any hardware
 
2012-10-02 09:55:37 AM

pivazena: This is why I never buy the first release of any hardware


Dude it's the fifth iteration
 
2012-10-02 09:58:19 AM

lordargent: SumFrequency: Al2O3 is transparent. That's sapphire. Throw some Chromium in, and it's Ruby. Throw some Ti/Fe in, and it's blue sapphire. Titanium, pink. There's a whole lot more.

It's not the color of the crystal/glass being used in the lens assembly, it's how light coming in at an angle is refracted.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chromatic_aberration


its not the size of the boat but the motion in the ocean....
i like yours better
 
2012-10-02 10:05:51 AM
This hasn't changed my mind... about getting a Samsung Galaxy S3.
 
2012-10-02 10:14:07 AM

veryequiped: //I actually own an HTC Android phone, biggest piece of garbage ever, allow me to biatch about it...


I have an HTC phone, which one you got? I've had 3 previous, all HTC, and this is the first one I've ever had issue with. I'm on a One-x at the moment, and occasionally the data would stop working and I'd have to reboot the phone. 4 generations of HTC phones and that's the first problem I've ever had. Still enough to make me wish I'd waited for the SGS3. However I rooted it and put Jellybean on and now it works fine again.
 
2012-10-02 10:36:49 AM

bingethinker: Yes, I get all my accurate information from some douche's Windows Phone blog.


Need a Dispenser Here: I'm not a phone fanboy by any means (I have an aincient HTC Desire if you must know) but I'm sure we can find a more credible source regarding an issue with an iPhone than a site dedicated to windows phones.




So I take it you guys didn't read the whole article where they posted their source: Link


Boy you guys are going to feel silly.
 
2012-10-02 10:42:08 AM
Say what you want about Jobs being an asshole, but he never would have let this slide.
 
2012-10-02 10:43:38 AM

keepitcherry: Say what you want about Jobs being an asshole, but he never would have let this slide.


Oh please, every release of anything has some issue, you can't say that with him at the helm nothing ever went wrong and no software or hardware had any flaws.
 
2012-10-02 10:47:06 AM

bingethinker: Yes, I get all my accurate information from some douche's Windows Phone blog.


Aren't you just the cutest Apple fanboy. Why don't you spew "FANDROID FANDROID" a few more times while you're here?

/stfu
 
2012-10-02 10:48:42 AM
You shut your whore mouth if you are criticizing Apple products!
 
2012-10-02 10:56:38 AM

Slaxl: keepitcherry: Say what you want about Jobs being an asshole, but he never would have let this slide.

Oh please, every release of anything has some issue, you can't say that with him at the helm nothing ever went wrong and no software or hardware had any flaws.


The corners would be perfectly rounded and the colors in the logo would be just right.
 
2012-10-02 11:11:50 AM

Vegan Meat Popsicle: bulldg4life: Can someone please explain when the purple haze shows up better than the guy in the article? I could not replicate the issue in my apartment, but I think that could easily be explained by my lights not being bright enough.

I think this is the original reproducible test

It sounds like you have to point the camera at something very bright like the sun, then move the light source just off the edge of the screen then take your picture.


From that link:
In our testing, the blown-out parts of the picture where the camera was pointed at the sun were obviously hindered by a purple haze with the iPhone 5. However, when shooting toward the sun when it's slightly out of the frame, we were able to make both the iPhone 4S and the iPhone 5 produce that purple haze artifact. In the comparison below, the iPhone 4S's purple haze was much more visible than that of the iPhone 5.

So it doesn't appear to be strictly an iPhone 5 thing.
 
2012-10-02 11:19:57 AM

SumFrequency: TEG24601: This is obvious. The lens is Sapphire, and Sapphire is purple. So when you have a bright light it may come through purple, depending on the angle, not unlike light coming through yellow or red on regular glass depending on the angle.

Al2O3 is transparent. That's sapphire. Throw some Chromium in, and it's Ruby. Throw some Ti/Fe in, and it's blue sapphire. Titanium, pink. There's a whole lot more.

It's probably the dielectric AR coating they use on the lens.


Nah, purple fringing/blooming is a direct result of the quality of the image sensor they use.

Seems Apple decided they could pull a fast one and save a few $ per unit. The camera was pretty much the only thing about the iPhone I liked over most Droids, and now even Apple is going cheapo on it.
 
2012-10-02 11:25:56 AM

MithrandirBooga: bingethinker: Yes, I get all my accurate information from some douche's Windows Phone blog.

Need a Dispenser Here: I'm not a phone fanboy by any means (I have an aincient HTC Desire if you must know) but I'm sure we can find a more credible source regarding an issue with an iPhone than a site dedicated to windows phones.



So I take it you guys didn't read the whole article where they posted their source: Link


Boy you guys are going to feel silly.


RTFA? In today's economy?
 
2012-10-02 11:54:06 AM

moothemagiccow: pivazena: This is why I never buy the first release of any hardware

Dude it's the fifth iteration


IN the same way that Vista was the "sixth" (?) iteration of Windows. For apple, and it seems for windows too despite its beta testing, the "first" release of any version of an OS or hardware is the beta test, everything that can go wrong does go wrong, and they release a patch for those who were early adaptors and fix subsequent stuff on the assembly line.
 
2012-10-02 11:57:48 AM
Definitely better than the odd green tint I get from a lot of photos on my old Blackberry
 
2012-10-02 12:30:12 PM

veryequiped: September, October, November are the constant complaint months from all the new Apple phone buyers.

I find out every flaw for those months straight.

So I have a question, WHY DO YOU BUY IT? Why not just wait those months out, find out all the complaints first and save yourself the wait in line.

Why? Because you have no self value, so you wait in line like morons, hoping to get this phone that you think will increase your social value, but it doesn't, we hate listening to you biatch about the device you bragged about going to wait in line to buy a month ago.

//Not an iPhone lover or hater, just a casual observer
//I actually own an HTC Android phone, biggest piece of garbage ever, allow me to biatch about it...


So much THIS. I'll wait a few months in whenever ANYTHING brand spankin' new comes out. Android, Apple, virtually any tech. The only things I pretty much buy without too much research are games, music and food.
 
2012-10-02 01:03:37 PM

veryequiped:
//I actually own an HTC Android phone, biggest piece of garbage ever, allow me to biatch about it...


I have an HTC One X, love the thing. With any mass market phone there are going to be some lemons though.
 
2012-10-02 01:04:36 PM
It's not an uncommon camera defect. Not really that big of a deal. At the same time, Apple's response is rather stupid. At least call it "an unresolvable defect".
 
2012-10-02 01:16:27 PM

Johnsnownw: veryequiped:
//I actually own an HTC Android phone, biggest piece of garbage ever, allow me to biatch about it...

I have an HTC One X, love the thing. With any mass market phone there are going to be some lemons though.



I have an HTC Inspire and I love it.

Not as much as a Galaxy Note II, though. It will be mine.
 
2012-10-02 01:24:23 PM
dready zim: Yaeh well I don`t care, the Iphone is bestest at EVERTHING! It doesn`t matter if other phones do things better. Why did you get a phone with a camera? get a $1000 camera if you want to take pictures! IDIOT!

I'm considering getting a $2000 camera body (to replace my aging $1000 camera body), but I thought I would just say.

IT'S THE LENS STUPID
 
2012-10-02 03:15:16 PM

lordargent: dready zim: Yaeh well I don`t care, the Iphone is bestest at EVERTHING! It doesn`t matter if other phones do things better. Why did you get a phone with a camera? get a $1000 camera if you want to take pictures! IDIOT!

I'm considering getting a $2000 camera body (to replace my aging $1000 camera body), but I thought I would just say.

IT'S THE LENS STUPID


Both Canon and Nikon have some pretty decent kit lenses on their DSLR's these days. Their high end glass blows the kit lenses out of the water of course, but they're nothing to sneeze at, and obviously far better then a cell phone camera (which will always have nearly infinite depth of field and other problems a photographer would be bothered by)
 
2012-10-02 03:20:11 PM
Wonder if it's the infrared filter? Previous iPhones didn't have one, which made them great remote control testers.
 
2012-10-02 05:11:16 PM

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: [i45.tinypic.com image 600x400]

Just get the iPhone 5 with the accessory pack.
It becomes much more useful.


Sweet Jesus, that was funny...
 
2012-10-02 07:53:43 PM

lordargent: dready zim: Yaeh well I don`t care, the Iphone is bestest at EVERTHING! It doesn`t matter if other phones do things better. Why did you get a phone with a camera? get a $1000 camera if you want to take pictures! IDIOT!

I'm considering getting a $2000 camera body (to replace my aging $1000 camera body), but I thought I would just say.

IT'S THE LENS STUPID


Not always, the actual image sensor is also a issue quite often. DSLR's, that's never an issue though, and it is the glass.
 
2012-10-02 08:33:33 PM
This just in. Instagram just released a new iPhone 5 chromatic aberration filter, So your old iPhone photos can look like they were taken with a new iPhone!
 
2012-10-02 08:37:44 PM

TyrantII: Not always, the actual image sensor is also a issue quite often. DSLR's, that's never an issue though, and it is the glass.


go check out the Lumia 808 Pureview. Nokia at least has no problem with shiatty sensors anymore.

Unfortunately cell phone cameras will always be hamstrung by the laws of optics. You need distance between the front element and the sensor.
 
2012-10-03 12:17:47 AM
Does it have a filter to remove redeye, so you'll look stone free?
 
2012-10-03 12:50:16 AM
TyrantII: Not always, the actual image sensor is also a issue quite often.

I think you're thinking of sensor blooming (when an overloaded photoreceptor dumps electrons into an adjacent one). Blooming also makes chromatic aberrations from the lens stand out a lot more.

This is sensor bloom. Note how the leaves appear to have been eaten.
www.dpreview.com

Compare to the original (note how the leaves are still clearly defined).
wmpoweruser.com

// note that the difference in the apparent size of the sun in the iphone pics is probably due to the photos being taken at a different angle (note that in the iphone 5 pic you can see the road) as a result, I don't think we can even fully trust the original pic in the article as a good example. Someone needs to set up a rig that ensures that the shots are taken at the same angle.

http://www.dpreview.com/learn/?/Glossary/Optical/chromatic_aberratio n_ 01.htm

http://www.dpreview.com/learn/?/Glossary/Digital_Imaging/Blooming_01 .h tm
 
2012-10-03 09:39:26 AM

lordargent: SumFrequency: Al2O3 is transparent. That's sapphire. Throw some Chromium in, and it's Ruby. Throw some Ti/Fe in, and it's blue sapphire. Titanium, pink. There's a whole lot more.

It's not the color of the crystal/glass being used in the lens assembly, it's how light coming in at an angle is refracted.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chromatic_aberration


No, it is the fact that the sensor is sensitive to wavelengths of light that your eye can't see and they show up as purple in the image. Most sensors are like this and most cameras, especially dslrs use some type of film over the sensor that blocks out the UV or IR (I can't remember which) before it hits the sensor. Didigtal astronomers sometimes hack their DSLRs by removing this film in order to take photos using this wavelength.

Apparently what apple has done is to remove the layer of film from the iphone 5. it is a cost saving manouver that results in poorer performance from the camera. And what could they be saving? How much could a 1/2" square of plastic cost them?

/not an apple fan
 
2012-10-03 01:48:59 PM
IAMTHEINTARWEBS : No, it is the fact that the sensor is sensitive to wavelengths of light that your eye can't see and they show up as purple in the image.

Removing the IR filter causes a shift toward the red end of the spectrum, and it's across the entire image, not just a small section.

www.astrosurf.com

www.astrosurf.com 

don't be a goon 8(
 
2012-10-03 02:54:50 PM
Now, where have I seen that lamp before?

1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-10-03 06:46:08 PM

lordargent: IAMTHEINTARWEBS : No, it is the fact that the sensor is sensitive to wavelengths of light that your eye can't see and they show up as purple in the image.

Removing the IR filter causes a shift toward the red end of the spectrum, and it's across the entire image, not just a small section.

[www.astrosurf.com image 450x299]

[www.astrosurf.com image 450x299] 

don't be a goon 8(


Early sony handycams with night mode were capable of seeing through clothing if you removed the IR filter from the optical path.

/Never did use that camera.
 
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