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(Times of Israel)   For Ikea, a woman's place is evidently NOT in the kitchen   (timesofisrael.com) divider line 134
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2012-10-01 09:12:23 PM

ciberido: Is that sufficiently broad


Heh. Broads.
 
2012-10-01 09:21:21 PM

spamdog: ciberido: Is that sufficiently broad

Heh. Broads.



LOL!
 
2012-10-01 09:24:36 PM
We should invade this theocratic shiathole and "freely" install a Democracy...

Oh wait, it's Saudi Arabia, so we suddenly don't care about rights.
 
2012-10-01 09:25:30 PM

ciberido: Or by "shut up" do you mean that Farkers will tell other Farkers to stop criticizing Ultra-orthodox Judaism?


You eventually got it.
 
2012-10-01 09:32:00 PM
The question is, how MANY women are in the kitchen in the Utah catalog?
 
2012-10-01 09:35:47 PM

Amos Quito: Porous Horace: And you wankers want them to have nukes.


Someone wants Ikea to have nukes?


You're going to be sitting in your living room with a fully constructed nuclear warhead wondering why you have 4 left-over screws and a piece of particle board. Then in 6 months, the warhead will fall apart and you'll be kicking yourself for not paying a little more for quality workmanship.
 
2012-10-01 09:37:13 PM

UncleStumpy: Much ado about nothing as far as I'm concerned, and I'm not trolling. They figured it would be safer to not have women (for the most part) in the middle eastern catalogue. The only mistake they made was, IMO not using different pictures than the Swedish catalogue.


UncleStumpy wins it for excellent observation of a company not using common sense. +1 for you!
 
2012-10-01 09:45:48 PM

Bungles: The Muthaship: Has someone displeased the Arabs innocuously again?

The horror.


No, someone has displeased the Jews. It's the Times of Israel that's butthurt.


If by Joos, you mean Swedes. Here is the Link that subtard couldn't be bothered to link to.

/i blame the JOOS!
 
2012-10-01 09:48:16 PM

swamp_of_dumb: Bungles: The Muthaship: Has someone displeased the Arabs innocuously again?

The horror.


No, someone has displeased the Jews. It's the Times of Israel that's butthurt.

If by Joos, you mean Swedes. Here is the Link that subtard couldn't be bothered to link to.

/i blame the JOOS!


Link 

Second times the charm

/damn tablet
 
2012-10-01 09:53:09 PM

Amos Quito: Isildur: Amos Quito: Isildur: murrdy: do the jews really have room to complain about this sort of thing?

[content.animalnewyork.com image 300x454]

Different Jews, but yes, that was even more absurd.


Hey, if we're going to make sweeping stereotypical statements about groups, let's at least be inclusive.

Shall we?


Well, since you're the one busy making sweeping stereotypical statements, I'll have to leave that to your discretion.


Me from above: "They're not "backwards", they were incorrectly assembled".

I see that Ikea joke sailed right over your head. 

/Derp


(...says the guy missing a few pegs.)
Yeah it's an Ikea joke; it's also an expression of a general sentiment, one you've expressed before.
 
2012-10-01 09:54:29 PM

moops: AverageAmericanGuy: This is the tradeoff when you want to become a global company. You can either remain stalwart in your core values or you can meld with the local culture.

Like Microsoft's products in Poland - apparently black people are taboo there.

[farm3.static.flickr.com image 394x500]


I don't think they're taboo, there just aren't very many of them.
 
2012-10-01 10:07:53 PM

carrion_luggage: I like to sit in Ikea demo bathrooms and scream "Occupied!" and "I'm in here!" at passers-by. Does this make me a bad person? And should I feel bad about it?


You need to look up the terms in Swedish and use them instead then look indignant when people open the door and see you on the pot.
 
2012-10-01 10:08:47 PM
They can suck my Swedish meatballs.
 
2012-10-01 10:36:50 PM

DownDaRiver: Its not much of a stretch to guess why some of them muslims dudes are uptight.
Their religion tells them that this is bad.


No, it doesn't.

I've lived in Saudi Arabia for a few years now (and the conservative, rural quarter of KSA at that). I see some version of this idea bob up reliably in every thread about Muslim attitudes toward women.

Saudis approve of women. What they don't approve of (largely, but not entirely, for religious reasons) is the public display of women. This should not be hard for a Westerner to grasp. You can love your mother or your wife or your daughter with all your heart and be very proud of her, yet you can still think it bad to post naked pictures of her on the internet. They are not bad women to you; what is bad is to display them for any filthy pervert to gape at. Similarly, the Saudis do not think that women, or even beautiful naked women, are bad. They don't approve of slapping images of them all around the marketplace for everyone to see.
 
2012-10-01 10:43:56 PM

Bungles: She wasn't removed.

There was a big fuss a few months ago, as it's the first time the catalogue has been entirely computer generated, not using actual physical mocked up rooms. The woman wasn't ever really in either picture because that room doesn't exist.

You could just as fairly say she was added to the Western version. How dare they add her for local market tastes! HOW VERY DARE THEY!


Link?
 
2012-10-01 10:45:57 PM

Bungles: She wasn't removed.

There was a big fuss a few months ago, as it's the first time the catalogue has been entirely computer generated, not using actual physical mocked up rooms. The woman wasn't ever really in either picture because that room doesn't exist.

You could just as fairly say she was added to the Western version. How dare they add her for local market tastes! HOW VERY DARE THEY!


Never mind. The goog found it.
 
2012-10-01 10:53:21 PM

UncleStumpy: moops: AverageAmericanGuy: This is the tradeoff when you want to become a global company. You can either remain stalwart in your core values or you can meld with the local culture.

Like Microsoft's products in Poland - apparently black people are taboo there.

Considering polish fans actions during euro 2012, that doesn't surprise me.

Eastern Europe is very proud of their superiority over non whites



is that pic ferrealz? its a pretty bad shop. plus, why leave the asian? if people dont like blacks, why would they like any other race?

or are asians universally synonymous with technology?
 
2012-10-01 11:01:52 PM

ShannonKW: DownDaRiver: Its not much of a stretch to guess why some of them muslims dudes are uptight.
Their religion tells them that this is bad.

No, it doesn't.

I've lived in Saudi Arabia for a few years now (and the conservative, rural quarter of KSA at that). I see some version of this idea bob up reliably in every thread about Muslim attitudes toward women.

Saudis approve of women. What they don't approve of (largely, but not entirely, for religious reasons) is the public display of women. This should not be hard for a Westerner to grasp. You can love your mother or your wife or your daughter with all your heart and be very proud of her, yet you can still think it bad to post naked pictures of her on the internet. They are not bad women to you; what is bad is to display them for any filthy pervert to gape at. Similarly, the Saudis do not think that women, or even beautiful naked women, are bad. They don't approve of slapping images of them all around the marketplace for everyone to see.



Well gee, thanks sooo much for explaining all that and clearing up everything.


/sarcasm off
 
2012-10-01 11:16:29 PM

ecor1: So its ok to erase 1/2 of humanity from your catalog? lol


It's more than OK for others

1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-10-01 11:29:14 PM

DownDaRiver: Well gee, thanks sooo much for explaining all that and clearing up everything.
/sarcasm off


Yeah, I was halfway through writing that when I realized there wasn't shiat of a chance of it doing any good. Cherished illusion is cherished. White folk still dismissed the Africans for being drum-thumping cannibals long after they had any excuse for believing it. It's just too gratifying to believe that all those people need is an enlightened honky to come and teach 'em the virtues of clean, Christian living and become Lord of the Jungle.
 
2012-10-01 11:44:33 PM

ShannonKW: DownDaRiver: Well gee, thanks sooo much for explaining all that and clearing up everything.
/sarcasm off

Yeah, I was halfway through writing that when I realized there wasn't shiat of a chance of it doing any good. Cherished illusion is cherished. White folk still dismissed the Africans for being drum-thumping cannibals long after they had any excuse for believing it. It's just too gratifying to believe that all those people need is an enlightened honky to come and teach 'em the virtues of clean, Christian living and become Lord of the Jungle.



Uh, OK, look I'll just put down the stick and back away slowly. Keep calm, nobody is going to rush you just stay nice and calm. Nope, nobody is going to sneak up behind you. Its ok, just remain calm.
 
2012-10-01 11:45:40 PM
ciberido: Or by "shut up" do you mean that Farkers will tell other Farkers to stop criticizing Ultra-orthodox Judaism?

indylaw: You eventually got it.


Meh. I simply don't see it that way. The only "religious" or "life stance-y" group on Fark that everybody seems to want to give a free pass is Buddhism. Every other life stance, including Atheism, gets its share of critics, some of him are very vituperative, and its defenders who will, in one way or another, tell the detractors to shut up.

Sure, SOME Farkers may do so, but overall, I really don't see Judaism getting any special treatment here.
 
2012-10-02 12:23:23 AM

ciberido: The only "religious" or "life stance-y" group on Fark that everybody seems to want to give a free pass is Buddhism.


If it weren't for Zen Buddhism, do you think the Japanese could have done atrocities like the Rape of Nanjing?

AND DON'T YOU BLAME SHINTOISM FOR THAT. That was 100% Zen, probably Rinzai school Bushido bullshiat.
 
2012-10-02 12:50:17 AM
The only thing Ikea did wrong was apologizing for making different catalogs for different markets.
 
2012-10-02 01:00:10 AM

stewmadness: Ran into a chick wearing a burka the other day, and her eyes smiled at me. So, I pumped three rounds into her chest and then called her dad. He thanked me, and gave me a goat.


Holy crap. Excellent.
 
2012-10-02 01:39:28 AM

ShannonKW: DownDaRiver: Its not much of a stretch to guess why some of them muslims dudes are uptight.
Their religion tells them that this is bad.

No, it doesn't.

I've lived in Saudi Arabia for a few years now (and the conservative, rural quarter of KSA at that). I see some version of this idea bob up reliably in every thread about Muslim attitudes toward women.

Saudis approve of women. What they don't approve of (largely, but not entirely, for religious reasons) is the public display of women. This should not be hard for a Westerner to grasp. You can love your mother or your wife or your daughter with all your heart and be very proud of her, yet you can still think it bad to post naked pictures of her on the internet. They are not bad women to you; what is bad is to display them for any filthy pervert to gape at. Similarly, the Saudis do not think that women, or even beautiful naked women, are bad. They don't approve of slapping images of them all around the marketplace for everyone to see.


That's nice and all, but this was the first year they allowed female athletes compete in the Olympics. It's 2012, for fark's sake.
 
2012-10-02 02:17:30 AM

Trocadero: this was the first year they allowed female athletes compete in the Olympics. It's 2012, for fark's sake.


What the hell does the year have to do with it? That they've had X amount of time to remould their society to suit you and have failed to do so? They just don't want to be like you.

Don't get me wrong. There is quite an invoice of shortcomings in Saudi society which most Saudis would admit to you, if you had their confidence. It certainly ain't utopia (which is why I'm posting this from Cambodia rather than KSA). It's a hardship posting, and I work there because I get paid accordingly, not because I approve of the lifestyle. I just notice it a lot when people come out with a lot of weird misconceptions about the place. Really, it's not your fault. The Saudis are a very private people, and they don't like to make a spectacle of their lives on video for all the world to see, so people have no better way than guessing to imagine how they live. You might be surprised how similar Saudis are to Americans. I've told a number of my students that, if they go to America, everyone will assume they're Mexicans. No one would guess they're Saudis.
 
2012-10-02 04:25:54 AM

FunkOut: ashinmytomatoes: I am thoroughly convinced that, if the Muslim world had the technology for an artificial womb and a bio-engineered plague that killed only women, they would happily kill all the women.

The Tleilaxu with their axlotl tanks.


The tanks were women, though.

"No Bene Geserit will ever become an axlotl tank."
 
2012-10-02 07:03:42 AM

xl5150: A worldwide company is changing their advertisements to better reflect the core values of a local market. Big deal. Just because Ikea is based in Sweden doesn't mean that their stores in other countries need to reflect the norms of Sweden. People are looking too hard for something to be upset about here.


This.

I fail to see the issue. People just love to gossip and oogle at foreign concepts instead of trying to understand anything.
 
2012-10-02 10:32:31 AM
good lord - Starbucks changed their logo for Saudi over a decade ago.

pre.cloudfront.goodinc.com 

/look ma - no mermaid.
 
2012-10-02 12:50:33 PM

ShannonKW: DownDaRiver: Its not much of a stretch to guess why some of them muslims dudes are uptight.
Their religion tells them that this is bad.

No, it doesn't.

I've lived in Saudi Arabia for a few years now (and the conservative, rural quarter of KSA at that). I see some version of this idea bob up reliably in every thread about Muslim attitudes toward women.

Saudis approve of women. What they don't approve of (largely, but not entirely, for religious reasons) is the public display of women. This should not be hard for a Westerner to grasp. You can love your mother or your wife or your daughter with all your heart and be very proud of her, yet you can still think it bad to post naked pictures of her on the internet. They are not bad women to you; what is bad is to display them for any filthy pervert to gape at. Similarly, the Saudis do not think that women, or even beautiful naked women, are bad. They don't approve of slapping images of them all around the marketplace for everyone to see.


Yeah, except that that doesn't excuse it. First of all, if a pervert gapes at anything it is the fault of the pervert, not what they're gaping at. This is the root problem of most fundamentalism -- sin should be viewed as the fault of the sinner, not the fault of the temptation.

Secondly, even with the views of nudity in US (OMG we saw a nipple on tv!) it is equally stupid -- any time you say that something about a person isn't fit for the public it is demeaning.

So sure, our attitudes in US also need further adjustment. But that doesn't mean that the Saudi views are wrong too, and to a larger extent.

It is still amazing to me that here in US we happily show gore on TV (any crime show now has people joking or flirting while doing some autopsy) but can't even show a nipple. Last I checked, pretty much everyone on the planet has a nipple ...

Our priorities are definitely screwed up when we allow our teenagers to kill to their hearts content in video games, but ban swear words and acts of love.
 
2012-10-02 12:51:56 PM
>> But that doesn't mean that the Saudi views aren't wrong too, and to a larger extent.

typo
 
2012-10-02 09:00:45 PM

xl5150: A worldwide company is changing their advertisements to better reflect the core values of a local market. Big deal. Just because Ikea is based in Sweden doesn't mean that their stores in other countries need to reflect the norms of Sweden. People are looking too hard for something to be upset about here.


"Core values?" Like misogyny?
 
2012-10-03 07:45:23 AM

Wayne 985: "Core values?" Like misogyny?


Yep. And since they want to sell there, they have to cater to the misogynists. They are a business, not the UN.
 
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