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2012-10-01 04:43:15 PM
Meh, probably easier than 'shopping in a burqa.
 
2012-10-01 04:43:17 PM
cretins
 
2012-10-01 04:44:17 PM
I fail to see the issue of changing your advertising to fit a market. Hate Ikea sure, not for this.
 
2012-10-01 04:46:14 PM
So its ok to erase 1/2 of humanity from your catalog? lol
 
2012-10-01 04:46:20 PM
Actually inside the home with the family women would be without veils. But then I'm trying to use logic with people stuck in the 1500s. My apologies.
 
2012-10-01 04:47:38 PM
This is the tradeoff when you want to become a global company. You can either remain stalwart in your core values or you can meld with the local culture. Some companies, like Apple, take full advantage of the local culture to exploit cheap labor in China. On the other hand, American automobile companies are all but shunned in Japan for refusing to make high quality cars.

The decision to remove these women was probably handled at the local offices. The guys on the ground don't need a shiatstorm of controversy and just want to move product. But now the higher-ups seem to want to take control back. This won't end well for Ikea in Saudi Arabia. Maybe it's for the best, though. It's a terribly repressive culture.
 
2012-10-01 04:48:48 PM
She got flat packed.
 
2012-10-01 04:49:01 PM

hdhale: Actually inside the home with the family women would be without veils. But then I'm trying to use logic with people stuck in the 1500s. My apologies.


I'm guessing that would still be a problem because the catalog would still be out in public at some point in its existence. And if people saw the brazen hussy from the Western version of the catalog, that would of course be highly offensive and cause many many problems.
 
2012-10-01 04:49:48 PM
that is like victo... no, like penthouse over there...
 
2012-10-01 04:50:00 PM
I think most of the Middle East is shamefully backwards but it's not Ikea's job to fix them.
 
2012-10-01 04:51:22 PM

ecor1: So its ok to erase 1/2 of humanity from your catalog? lol


www.zap2it.com
Respectfully submitted for your approval...
 
2012-10-01 04:51:40 PM
When in Rome...

When trying to separate people from their money, pissing them off is usually not a good first step.
 
2012-10-01 04:52:43 PM
Much ado about nothing as far as I'm concerned, and I'm not trolling. They figured it would be safer to not have women (for the most part) in the middle eastern catalogue. The only mistake they made was, IMO not using different pictures than the Swedish catalogue.
 
2012-10-01 04:53:12 PM
A worldwide company is changing their advertisements to better reflect the core values of a local market. Big deal. Just because Ikea is based in Sweden doesn't mean that their stores in other countries need to reflect the norms of Sweden. People are looking too hard for something to be upset about here.
 
2012-10-01 04:53:31 PM

Jument: I think most of the Middle East is shamefully backwards but it's not Ikea's job to fix them.



They're not "backwards", they were incorrectly assembled.
 
2012-10-01 04:54:03 PM

UncleStumpy: The only mistake they made was, IMO not using different pictures than the Swedish catalogue.


This pretty much sums it up.
 
2012-10-01 04:57:50 PM

Jument: I think most of the Middle East is shamefully backwards but it's not Ikea's job to fix them.


Neither is it Ikea's job to go out of their way to tacitly support them. Removing the women took work; that was work they chose to do.
 
2012-10-01 04:59:05 PM

AverageAmericanGuy: This is the tradeoff when you want to become a global company. You can either remain stalwart in your core values or you can meld with the local culture.


Like Microsoft's products in Poland - apparently black people are taboo there.

farm3.static.flickr.com
 
2012-10-01 05:00:23 PM
Could have been worse. They could have done a full catalogue of Mohammed demonstrating the merchandise.
 
2012-10-01 05:00:28 PM

AverageAmericanGuy: This is the tradeoff when you want to become a global company. You can either remain stalwart in your core values or you can meld with the local culture. Some All companies, like Apple, take full advantage of the local culture to exploit cheap labor in China.


FTFA 

On the other hand, American automobile companies are all but shunned in Japan for refusing to make high quality cars.

You really don't know what the fark you are talking about - do you?
 
2012-10-01 05:02:08 PM

Jument: I think most of the Middle East is shamefully backwards but it's not Ikea's job to fix them.


You are right, if there only were countries in the world who believed in equality and freedom, so private companies didn't have to take the heat.
 
2012-10-01 05:05:00 PM
I like to sit in Ikea demo bathrooms and scream "Occupied!" and "I'm in here!" at passers-by. Does this make me a bad person? And should I feel bad about it?
 
2012-10-01 05:06:14 PM

gingerjet: AverageAmericanGuy: This is the tradeoff when you want to become a global company. You can either remain stalwart in your core values or you can meld with the local culture. Some All companies, like Apple, take full advantage of the local culture to exploit cheap labor in China.

FTFA 

On the other hand, American automobile companies are all but shunned in Japan for refusing to make high quality cars.

You really don't know what the fark you are talking about - do you?


it seems not. A corvette there can sell above a Porsche..(perform above them too) Top models of course
 
2012-10-01 05:06:36 PM

ampoliros: Jument: I think most of the Middle East is shamefully backwards but it's not Ikea's job to fix them.

Neither is it Ikea's job to go out of their way to tacitly support them. Removing the women took work; that was work they chose to do.


I think you're being a bit obtuse. Ikea's job is to make money. They do that by not alienating the consumers who make purchasing decisions. That means advertising according to locally-accepted norms. In America that might mean showing a white-skinned attractive woman. In the Middle East that same thing is going to cause huge problems, so they'll do something different.

Ikea's only sin here was that they were lazy farks. If they'd taken two different pictures with different people instead of erasing a women, there would be less outrage. The idea that they had to erase a woman is metaphorical. If they'd just had a completely different image that happened not to have a woman it in, I doubt anyone would have noticed.
 
2012-10-01 05:10:29 PM

Slartibeerfest: She got flat packed.


That's going to be my new tag line, "You just got flat packed, motherfarker!"
 
2012-10-01 05:10:39 PM
The car makers all remove the women from their ads in Saudi Arabia, too.
 
2012-10-01 05:13:20 PM
How is it more cost-effective to shoop certain people out the catalog entirely than it is to have alternate photos taken for each market based on cultural appropriateness?

Or... are they shooping the women INTO the Swedish catalogs?
 
2012-10-01 05:13:54 PM
www.ikeafans.com
 
2012-10-01 05:18:42 PM

Jon iz teh kewl: [www.ikeafans.com image 500x375]


sadly, you can actually get swedish meatballs there. And they pretty much taste exactly like depicted.
 
2012-10-01 05:19:08 PM
I love this Saudi way of thinking. "We abhor your decadent, whorish, evil Western civilization. Well, except for your furniture. Your furniture can say."
 
2012-10-01 05:19:17 PM

moops: AverageAmericanGuy: This is the tradeoff when you want to become a global company. You can either remain stalwart in your core values or you can meld with the local culture.

Like Microsoft's products in Poland - apparently black people are taboo there.

[farm3.static.flickr.com image 394x500]


White people with black hands are okay, though.
 
2012-10-01 05:19:32 PM

carrion_luggage: I like to sit in Ikea demo bathrooms and scream "Occupied!" and "I'm in here!" at passers-by. Does this make me a bad person? And should I feel bad about it?


Only if you don't flush.
 
2012-10-01 05:19:34 PM
Looks like a bathroom to me...NOT a kitchen
 
2012-10-01 05:19:49 PM

poot_rootbeer: How is it more cost-effective to shoop certain people out the catalog entirely than it is to have alternate photos taken for each market based on cultural appropriateness?

Or... are they shooping the women INTO the Swedish catalogs?


Could be photoshopping the women into the catalogs, that's an interesting premise since it's harder to take something out of a photo than put someone in one. IKEA could be lazy enough with their photos to have a generic background pic shot and then put generic models in front of a green screen doing bathroom activities and then chroma keyed them in. If they really want to appease the Saudi Arabian culture, just photoshop a hijab/niqab on top of her head and a long dress, that seems to make more sense than removal.
 
2012-10-01 05:24:54 PM
WHAT AN OUTRAGE---a man taking care of the kids you would think the men should be taken out or just resting while ONLY the women were in the kitchen, remember who gets them sammiches

also over there a woman in a magazine IS porn
 
2012-10-01 05:30:39 PM

moops: AverageAmericanGuy: This is the tradeoff when you want to become a global company. You can either remain stalwart in your core values or you can meld with the local culture.

Like Microsoft's products in Poland - apparently black people are taboo there.


Curiosity is the word you are looking for.

/I guess, about 80 % of the Polish people will never see a black man in their _whole_farkin_lifetime_. Not even one.
/maybe 90%
/Asians are everywhere so they are OK
 
2012-10-01 05:34:01 PM

Vidwiz: Looks like a bathroom to me...NOT a kitchen


www.gutsense.org

/everyone
//appreciate the joke NOW
///searching for the right image
////it has weakened my strength :-0~~~~
 
2012-10-01 05:42:17 PM
Makes me want to go there and walk around wearing this shirt:
www.mad-section.com
 
2012-10-01 05:42:47 PM
Too bad they didn't shoop the women into swarthy men. IKEA could use the cataloge in Saudi Arabia and not offend any Saudis by showing a picture of a woman. They could use the same cataloge in gay friendly markets, by showing people in a same sex relationship.
 
2012-10-01 05:47:33 PM

AugieDoggyDaddy: Too bad they didn't shoop the women into swarthy men. IKEA could use the cataloge in Saudi Arabia and not offend any Saudis by showing a picture of a woman. They could use the same cataloge in gay friendly markets, by showing people in a same sex relationship.


Brilliant!

encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com
 
2012-10-01 05:48:19 PM
a woman's place is in the oven, amirite?
 
2012-10-01 05:52:12 PM
She wasn't removed.

There was a big fuss a few months ago, as it's the first time the catalogue has been entirely computer generated, not using actual physical mocked up rooms. The woman wasn't ever really in either picture because that room doesn't exist.

You could just as fairly say she was added to the Western version. How dare they add her for local market tastes! HOW VERY DARE THEY!
 
2012-10-01 05:52:16 PM

Anderson's Pooper: Could have been worse. They could have done a full catalogue of Mohammed demonstrating the merchandise.


He could have been demonstrating the MEKKA line of faux-stone office furniture.
 
2012-10-01 05:53:17 PM
Ran into a chick wearing a burka the other day, and her eyes smiled at me. So, I pumped three rounds into her chest and then called her dad. He thanked me, and gave me a goat.
 
2012-10-01 05:55:31 PM
Has someone displeased the Arabs innocuously again?

The horror.
 
2012-10-01 05:56:07 PM
Show a picture of a woman in a kitchen: sexist!
Take woman out of picture: sexist!

You just can't win...
 
2012-10-01 05:57:10 PM

The Muthaship: Has someone displeased the Arabs innocuously again?

The horror.



No, someone has displeased the Jews. It's the Times of Israel that's butthurt.
 
2012-10-01 05:57:19 PM
I love how the reporter says that the female images were "airbrushed" out.

Really? Airbrushed?
 
2012-10-01 05:58:00 PM

Bungles: There was a big fuss a few months ago, as it's the first time the catalogue has been entirely computer generated, not using actual physical mocked up rooms. The woman wasn't ever really in either picture because that room doesn't exist.


imageshack.us

There is no spoon.
 
2012-10-01 05:59:29 PM
Every time I see a chick in a burqa my mind goes into overdrive and I briefly get a raging farkwand when she walks and the cloth shows the contours of her body. Oh man, burqa camel toe is the best kind of camel toe.
 
2012-10-01 06:00:13 PM

Bungles: No, someone has displeased the Jews. It's the Times of Israel that's butthurt.

Ikea is being criticized for deleting images of women from the Saudi version of its furniture catalog, a move the company says it regrets.


That part led me astray. So, Israel is mad that Sweden knows the Arabs hate women?

Confusing.
 
2012-10-01 06:01:05 PM
i877.photobucket.com

Its not much of a stretch to guess why some of them muslims dudes are uptight.
Their religion tells them that this is bad.
I strongly disagree and I'm glad I am free to.
 
2012-10-01 06:02:21 PM
And you wankers want them to have nukes.
 
2012-10-01 06:04:53 PM

DownDaRiver: [i877.photobucket.com image 275x415]

Its not much of a stretch to guess why some of them muslims dudes are uptight.
Their religion tells them that this is bad.
I strongly disagree and I'm glad I am free to.


but i wanted a sandwich. not soup.
 
2012-10-01 06:05:52 PM
CSB:

In the UAE you can buy FHM, The Sun etc, but the censors employ people with large sharpie pens to censor anything deemed taboo, like Kate Upton.
 
2012-10-01 06:06:13 PM

Citrate1007: I fail to see the issue of changing your advertising to fit a market. Hate Ikea sure, not for this.


FTFY. No reason to hate Ikea, and, yes, of course an Israeli media outlet would point this out, even as women in Israel are forced to ride in the back of buses, put up with segregation during holidays, public events, shopping, etc. See, surprisingly, religious extremists occur in all religions and, just as surprisingly, are intolerant of similar activities performed by rival religions.

Mote in your neighbor's eye, beam in your own, etc., etc.
 
2012-10-01 06:07:34 PM
I am thoroughly convinced that, if the Muslim world had the technology for an artificial womb and a bio-engineered plague that killed only women, they would happily kill all the women.
 
2012-10-01 06:10:43 PM
"The future must not belong to those who slander the Prophet of Islam" -- Barack Obama at the 67th United Nations General Assembly
 
2012-10-01 06:13:00 PM
"We should have reacted and realized that excluding women from the Saudi Arabian version of the catalogue is in conflict with the IKEA Group values," the company said.

OR,

the truth,

"We did it because women in Saudi Arabia are property, just like cattle, and have no use other than to lay down and make more Saudi's. So, our target demographic is the men, who are educated, and in charge of everything. Hey, at least we are honest.
 
2012-10-01 06:13:16 PM
3.bp.blogspot.com
 Muslim world objects to this.
pre.cloudfront.goodinc.com
Muslim version.
 
2012-10-01 06:19:59 PM

Citrate1007: I fail to see the issue of changing your advertising to fit a market. Hate Ikea sure, not for this.


Why hate Ikea? They seem good to me, although I never shop there.

Oh, now I remember why I never shop there; here in Austin TX (or Round Rock TX) their store is a maze that makes you walk a long twisty route. Other than that, they seem good.
 
2012-10-01 06:21:57 PM

bmihura: Citrate1007: I fail to see the issue of changing your advertising to fit a market. Hate Ikea sure, not for this.

Why hate Ikea? They seem good to me, although I never shop there.

Oh, now I remember why I never shop there; here in Austin TX (or Round Rock TX) their store is a maze that makes you walk a long twisty route. Other than that, they seem good.




Every store is a long twisty route, because you're being primed to buy, being led through the pages of Good Housekeeping. It works. It's not an accident.
 
2012-10-01 06:23:16 PM

bmihura: Citrate1007: I fail to see the issue of changing your advertising to fit a market. Hate Ikea sure, not for this.

Why hate Ikea? They seem good to me, although I never shop there.

Oh, now I remember why I never shop there; here in Austin TX (or Round Rock TX) their store is a maze that makes you walk a long twisty route. Other than that, they seem good.


They're like that everywhere. I don't mind it, save for the fact that there's ALWAYS some farktard going in the wrong direction...
 
2012-10-01 06:24:19 PM

Bungles: bmihura: Citrate1007: I fail to see the issue of changing your advertising to fit a market. Hate Ikea sure, not for this.

Why hate Ikea? They seem good to me, although I never shop there.

Oh, now I remember why I never shop there; here in Austin TX (or Round Rock TX) their store is a maze that makes you walk a long twisty route. Other than that, they seem good.

Is that why the milk is kept in the far rear corner of the grocery store.



Every store is a long twisty route, because you're being primed to buy, being led through the pages of Good Housekeeping. It works. It's not an accident.

 
2012-10-01 06:30:32 PM
What are talking about? I eat take out everynight so long as my wife knows her place... The bedroom...
 
2012-10-01 06:36:25 PM

stewmadness: Ran into a chick wearing a burka the other day, and her eyes smiled at me. So, I pumped three rounds into her chest and then called her dad. He thanked me, and gave me a goat.


That was a good story
 
2012-10-01 06:39:45 PM
It's always so amusing seeing PC folks trying to deal with a fundamentalist Muslim country. When the irresistible force of PC-conformity meets the immovable object of religious fundamentalism there's usually some good derp produced in the process.
 
2012-10-01 06:46:42 PM

smitty04: [3.bp.blogspot.com image 393x400]
 Muslim world objects to this.
[pre.cloudfront.goodinc.com image 450x338]
Muslim version.


FSM help us all if they ever saw the original.
 
2012-10-01 06:49:00 PM

moops: AverageAmericanGuy: This is the tradeoff when you want to become a global company. You can either remain stalwart in your core values or you can meld with the local culture.

Like Microsoft's products in Poland - apparently black people are taboo there.

[farm3.static.flickr.com image 394x500]


Is that Mitt Romney?.
 
2012-10-01 06:56:36 PM
I'm wondering why the hell they didn't just have a "furniture only, no people" catalog instead.

That country only recent got around to using mannequins in their stores, rather than hanging the clothes up on fishlines like creepy ghosts.
 
2012-10-01 06:58:09 PM

Vidwiz: Looks like a bathroom to me...NOT a kitchen


It can pay to actually read tfa.

They apparently deleted women from the entire catalog. That was just the picture that the article (quoting from another paper) used as a sample.

The Muthaship: Bungles: No, someone has displeased the Jews. It's the Times of Israel that's butthurt.

Ikea is being criticized for deleting images of women from the Saudi version of its furniture catalog, a move the company says it regrets.

That part led me astray. So, Israel is mad that Sweden knows the Arabs hate women?

Confusing.


Mad? More like Nelson "Ha ha" laugh, pointing at the whole silliness of the situation, same as Fark is doing. Unless you think that Fark is mad about this too?
 
2012-10-01 07:05:28 PM

highendmighty: Respectfully submitted for your approval...


Funny how you mention Rod Sterling. At Disney's Twilight Zone Tower of Terror..the rumor was they removed the ever present cigarette from Rod Sterling for the intro clip.

They actually just found a intro where he didn't smoke to edit it for the intro.

I'll have to pay attention next time they show the on TV too...another rumor was they where removing the Cig for the TV show re-runs and DVDs.. Disney DID remove the cig from the Pacos Bill cartoons for DVD.
 
2012-10-01 07:06:48 PM
It's not Ikea's ads that are necessarily sexist - it's their directions. We purchased a couple of items last year that required assembly, and apparently women are not needed to do much... The first item was a metal framed rolling shelving unit (covered in nylon material), which apparently needed a big strong man and a little boy to assemble. I did that myself. The other was my son's bedframe, which had the big strong man needing 3 hands to screw something in while balancing the frame on his leg, while the woman stood there and held the headboard with 1 hand.

In my short experience of being married to a guy I can say this: 1. some guys can't follow directions and 2. some women can hold up their end of the bedframe!
 
2012-10-01 07:10:06 PM

Isildur: Vidwiz: Looks like a bathroom to me...NOT a kitchen

It can pay to actually read tfa.

They apparently deleted women from the entire catalog. That was just the picture that the article (quoting from another paper) used as a sample.

The Muthaship: Bungles: No, someone has displeased the Jews. It's the Times of Israel that's butthurt.

Ikea is being criticized for deleting images of women from the Saudi version of its furniture catalog, a move the company says it regrets.

That part led me astray. So, Israel is mad that Sweden knows the Arabs hate women?

Confusing.

Mad? More like Nelson "Ha ha" laugh, pointing at the whole silliness of the situation, same as Fark is doing. Unless you think that Fark is mad about this too?



They didn't delete them. They just didn't add them. The IKEA catalogue is now computer generated. They no more "deleted them" than they "deleted the Japanese people" from Japanese version for the US version.
 
2012-10-01 07:10:26 PM
do the jews really have room to complain about this sort of thing?

content.animalnewyork.com
 
2012-10-01 07:10:37 PM
TFA: Comparing the Swedish and Saudi shows female models airbrushed from otherwise identical shots

Someone should let Ikea know about Photoshop... it'll probably help their workflow

/oblig
 
2012-10-01 07:12:32 PM

smitty04: [3.bp.blogspot.com image 393x400]
 Muslim world objects to this.
[pre.cloudfront.goodinc.com image 450x338]
Muslim version.


Yikes. Depending on one's interpretation, it looks like she's either been swept beneath the waves, or is lurking just beneath the surface like Jaws, with her crown menacingly peeking above water instead of a dorsal fin. Dah-dum. Dah-dum. Duh-duh-dummmm... DAH-DUM DAH-DUM DAH-DUM *she bursts out into the open and ferociously pours you a nice venti mocha*
 
2012-10-01 07:14:38 PM

murrdy: do the jews really have room to complain about this sort of thing?

[content.animalnewyork.com image 300x454]


Different Jews, but yes, that was even more absurd.
 
2012-10-01 07:17:21 PM

ashinmytomatoes: I am thoroughly convinced that, if the Muslim world had the technology for an artificial womb and a bio-engineered plague that killed only women, they would happily kill all the women.


The Tleilaxu with their axlotl tanks.
 
2012-10-01 07:26:37 PM
I haven't read through all the comments (busy day at work), and I've never shopped at Ikea, but to me it seems that instead of getting upset with Ikea about the change, we should worry about changing the Muslims view.

While it's easier to get mad at Ikea, we need to place the blame where it goes...
 
2012-10-01 07:27:13 PM

AugieDoggyDaddy: Too bad they didn't shoop the women into swarthy men. IKEA could use the cataloge in Saudi Arabia and not offend any Saudis by showing a picture of a woman. They could use the same cataloge in gay friendly markets, by showing people in a same sex relationship.


You've obviously never seen any Saudi TV ads, have you?

The one I remember best showed two guys leaving the gym after hitting the showers, and one complimenting the other about how nice his hair looks (it being a shampoo commercial, after all). From their mannerisms and the way they talked, it looked EXACTLY like an American body-care products commercial, only with guys in the role of gals.
 
2012-10-01 07:29:43 PM

Mouser: AugieDoggyDaddy: Too bad they didn't shoop the women into swarthy men. IKEA could use the cataloge in Saudi Arabia and not offend any Saudis by showing a picture of a woman. They could use the same cataloge in gay friendly markets, by showing people in a same sex relationship.

You've obviously never seen any Saudi TV ads, have you?

The one I remember best showed two guys leaving the gym after hitting the showers, and one complimenting the other about how nice his hair looks (it being a shampoo commercial, after all). From their mannerisms and the way they talked, it looked EXACTLY like an American body-care products commercial, only with guys in the role of gals.


Their teenage boys have no exposure to women and they often end up with guys in the roles of their girlfriends.
 
2012-10-01 07:30:12 PM

Bungles: They didn't delete them. They just didn't add them. The IKEA catalogue is now computer generated.

 

False. They still use mostly real photography, particularly for shots with people.
 
2012-10-01 07:47:30 PM

moops: AverageAmericanGuy: This is the tradeoff when you want to become a global company. You can either remain stalwart in your core values or you can meld with the local culture.

Like Microsoft's products in Poland - apparently black people are taboo there.


Considering polish fans actions during euro 2012, that doesn't surprise me.

Eastern Europe is very proud of their superiority over non whites
 
2012-10-01 07:48:23 PM

Isildur: murrdy: do the jews really have room to complain about this sort of thing?

[content.animalnewyork.com image 300x454]

Different Jews, but yes, that was even more absurd.



Hey, if we're going to make sweeping stereotypical statements about groups, let's at least be inclusive.

Shall we?
 
2012-10-01 08:01:20 PM
Yeah remember how all uptight the Saudis got that time a woman's breast was exposed for second during the Superbowl? Ha, silly uptight Saudis
 
2012-10-01 08:01:45 PM
What happened to our usual feminist supporters? I thought they'd be all over this.
 
2012-10-01 08:02:56 PM

Amos Quito: Isildur: murrdy: do the jews really have room to complain about this sort of thing?

[content.animalnewyork.com image 300x454]

Different Jews, but yes, that was even more absurd.


Hey, if we're going to make sweeping stereotypical statements about groups, let's at least be inclusive.

Shall we?



Well, since you're the one busy making sweeping stereotypical statements, I'll have to leave that to your discretion.
 
2012-10-01 08:03:39 PM

relaxitsjustme: Yeah remember how all uptight the Saudis got that time a woman's breast was exposed for second during the Superbowl? Ha, silly uptight Saudis


Yeah, that was crazy. Remember when they stoned her when they found out Timberlake wasn't her brother? Wild.
 
GBB [TotalFark]
2012-10-01 08:04:15 PM
static.rcgroups.net
 
2012-10-01 08:08:59 PM
When the Arabs do it, it just further confirms the backwardness of their male-dominant culture. When the "Ultra-orthodox" Jews do it, shut up.
 
2012-10-01 08:23:38 PM

AverageAmericanGuy: American automobile companies are all but shunned in Japan for refusing to make high quality cars.


Oh, please. The shiatboxes they drive over here aren't that much different. Japanese people just love themselves and Japanese stuff.
 
2012-10-01 08:30:12 PM

relaxitsjustme: Yeah remember how all uptight the Saudis got that time a woman's breast was exposed for 9/16th of a second during the Superbowl? Ha, silly uptight Saudis


ftfy
 
2012-10-01 08:34:42 PM
"All I said was, this Futon was good enough for Mohammed to sit on!"
1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-10-01 08:47:02 PM

indylaw: When the Arabs do it, it just further confirms the backwardness of their male-dominant culture. When the "Ultra-orthodox" Jews do it, shut up.


Says who? It's ridiculous and stupid regardless of whether the gynophobes are extremist Muslims, Jews, Christians, Buddhists, or atheists. 

Are you really so new to Fark that you've never seen anyone criticize Ultra-orthodox Jews here? Or by "shut up" do you mean that Farkers will tell other Farkers to stop criticizing Ultra-orthodox Judaism?

Fark misogyny, no matter what cultural or religious values are used to justify it.

Is that sufficiently broad and clear?
 
2012-10-01 08:48:07 PM
There *is* a woman in that picture but she's hard to see because she's standing near the towel rack.
 
2012-10-01 08:59:41 PM

Isildur: Amos Quito: Isildur: murrdy: do the jews really have room to complain about this sort of thing?

[content.animalnewyork.com image 300x454]

Different Jews, but yes, that was even more absurd.


Hey, if we're going to make sweeping stereotypical statements about groups, let's at least be inclusive.

Shall we?


Well, since you're the one busy making sweeping stereotypical statements, I'll have to leave that to your discretion.



Me from above: "They're not "backwards", they were incorrectly assembled".

I see that Ikea joke sailed right over your head. 

/Derp
 
2012-10-01 09:00:17 PM

Porous Horace: And you wankers want them to have nukes.



Someone wants Ikea to have nukes?
 
2012-10-01 09:04:55 PM

ciberido: indylaw: When the Arabs do it, it just further confirms the backwardness of their male-dominant culture. When the "Ultra-orthodox" Jews do it, shut up.

Says who? It's ridiculous and stupid regardless of whether the gynophobes are extremist Muslims, Jews, Christians, Buddhists, or atheists. 

Are you really so new to Fark that you've never seen anyone criticize Ultra-orthodox Jews here? Or by "shut up" do you mean that Farkers will tell other Farkers to stop criticizing Ultra-orthodox Judaism?

Fark misogyny, no matter what cultural or religious values are used to justify it.

Is that sufficiently broad and clear?



I think maybe that one.
 
2012-10-01 09:09:09 PM

carrion_luggage: I like to sit in Ikea demo bathrooms and scream "Occupied!" and "I'm in here!" at passers-by. Does this make me a bad person? And should I feel bad about it?


Just don't be in there all day. Lots of other customers had the meatballs too, you know.

/ I kid... actually I kind of like the meatballs
 
2012-10-01 09:12:23 PM

ciberido: Is that sufficiently broad


Heh. Broads.
 
2012-10-01 09:21:21 PM

spamdog: ciberido: Is that sufficiently broad

Heh. Broads.



LOL!
 
2012-10-01 09:24:36 PM
We should invade this theocratic shiathole and "freely" install a Democracy...

Oh wait, it's Saudi Arabia, so we suddenly don't care about rights.
 
2012-10-01 09:25:30 PM

ciberido: Or by "shut up" do you mean that Farkers will tell other Farkers to stop criticizing Ultra-orthodox Judaism?


You eventually got it.
 
2012-10-01 09:32:00 PM
The question is, how MANY women are in the kitchen in the Utah catalog?
 
2012-10-01 09:35:47 PM

Amos Quito: Porous Horace: And you wankers want them to have nukes.


Someone wants Ikea to have nukes?


You're going to be sitting in your living room with a fully constructed nuclear warhead wondering why you have 4 left-over screws and a piece of particle board. Then in 6 months, the warhead will fall apart and you'll be kicking yourself for not paying a little more for quality workmanship.
 
2012-10-01 09:37:13 PM

UncleStumpy: Much ado about nothing as far as I'm concerned, and I'm not trolling. They figured it would be safer to not have women (for the most part) in the middle eastern catalogue. The only mistake they made was, IMO not using different pictures than the Swedish catalogue.


UncleStumpy wins it for excellent observation of a company not using common sense. +1 for you!
 
2012-10-01 09:45:48 PM

Bungles: The Muthaship: Has someone displeased the Arabs innocuously again?

The horror.


No, someone has displeased the Jews. It's the Times of Israel that's butthurt.


If by Joos, you mean Swedes. Here is the Link that subtard couldn't be bothered to link to.

/i blame the JOOS!
 
2012-10-01 09:48:16 PM

swamp_of_dumb: Bungles: The Muthaship: Has someone displeased the Arabs innocuously again?

The horror.


No, someone has displeased the Jews. It's the Times of Israel that's butthurt.

If by Joos, you mean Swedes. Here is the Link that subtard couldn't be bothered to link to.

/i blame the JOOS!


Link 

Second times the charm

/damn tablet
 
2012-10-01 09:53:09 PM

Amos Quito: Isildur: Amos Quito: Isildur: murrdy: do the jews really have room to complain about this sort of thing?

[content.animalnewyork.com image 300x454]

Different Jews, but yes, that was even more absurd.


Hey, if we're going to make sweeping stereotypical statements about groups, let's at least be inclusive.

Shall we?


Well, since you're the one busy making sweeping stereotypical statements, I'll have to leave that to your discretion.


Me from above: "They're not "backwards", they were incorrectly assembled".

I see that Ikea joke sailed right over your head. 

/Derp


(...says the guy missing a few pegs.)
Yeah it's an Ikea joke; it's also an expression of a general sentiment, one you've expressed before.
 
2012-10-01 09:54:29 PM

moops: AverageAmericanGuy: This is the tradeoff when you want to become a global company. You can either remain stalwart in your core values or you can meld with the local culture.

Like Microsoft's products in Poland - apparently black people are taboo there.

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I don't think they're taboo, there just aren't very many of them.
 
2012-10-01 10:07:53 PM

carrion_luggage: I like to sit in Ikea demo bathrooms and scream "Occupied!" and "I'm in here!" at passers-by. Does this make me a bad person? And should I feel bad about it?


You need to look up the terms in Swedish and use them instead then look indignant when people open the door and see you on the pot.
 
2012-10-01 10:08:47 PM
They can suck my Swedish meatballs.
 
2012-10-01 10:36:50 PM

DownDaRiver: Its not much of a stretch to guess why some of them muslims dudes are uptight.
Their religion tells them that this is bad.


No, it doesn't.

I've lived in Saudi Arabia for a few years now (and the conservative, rural quarter of KSA at that). I see some version of this idea bob up reliably in every thread about Muslim attitudes toward women.

Saudis approve of women. What they don't approve of (largely, but not entirely, for religious reasons) is the public display of women. This should not be hard for a Westerner to grasp. You can love your mother or your wife or your daughter with all your heart and be very proud of her, yet you can still think it bad to post naked pictures of her on the internet. They are not bad women to you; what is bad is to display them for any filthy pervert to gape at. Similarly, the Saudis do not think that women, or even beautiful naked women, are bad. They don't approve of slapping images of them all around the marketplace for everyone to see.
 
2012-10-01 10:43:56 PM

Bungles: She wasn't removed.

There was a big fuss a few months ago, as it's the first time the catalogue has been entirely computer generated, not using actual physical mocked up rooms. The woman wasn't ever really in either picture because that room doesn't exist.

You could just as fairly say she was added to the Western version. How dare they add her for local market tastes! HOW VERY DARE THEY!


Link?
 
2012-10-01 10:45:57 PM

Bungles: She wasn't removed.

There was a big fuss a few months ago, as it's the first time the catalogue has been entirely computer generated, not using actual physical mocked up rooms. The woman wasn't ever really in either picture because that room doesn't exist.

You could just as fairly say she was added to the Western version. How dare they add her for local market tastes! HOW VERY DARE THEY!


Never mind. The goog found it.
 
2012-10-01 10:53:21 PM

UncleStumpy: moops: AverageAmericanGuy: This is the tradeoff when you want to become a global company. You can either remain stalwart in your core values or you can meld with the local culture.

Like Microsoft's products in Poland - apparently black people are taboo there.

Considering polish fans actions during euro 2012, that doesn't surprise me.

Eastern Europe is very proud of their superiority over non whites



is that pic ferrealz? its a pretty bad shop. plus, why leave the asian? if people dont like blacks, why would they like any other race?

or are asians universally synonymous with technology?
 
2012-10-01 11:01:52 PM

ShannonKW: DownDaRiver: Its not much of a stretch to guess why some of them muslims dudes are uptight.
Their religion tells them that this is bad.

No, it doesn't.

I've lived in Saudi Arabia for a few years now (and the conservative, rural quarter of KSA at that). I see some version of this idea bob up reliably in every thread about Muslim attitudes toward women.

Saudis approve of women. What they don't approve of (largely, but not entirely, for religious reasons) is the public display of women. This should not be hard for a Westerner to grasp. You can love your mother or your wife or your daughter with all your heart and be very proud of her, yet you can still think it bad to post naked pictures of her on the internet. They are not bad women to you; what is bad is to display them for any filthy pervert to gape at. Similarly, the Saudis do not think that women, or even beautiful naked women, are bad. They don't approve of slapping images of them all around the marketplace for everyone to see.



Well gee, thanks sooo much for explaining all that and clearing up everything.


/sarcasm off
 
2012-10-01 11:16:29 PM

ecor1: So its ok to erase 1/2 of humanity from your catalog? lol


It's more than OK for others

1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-10-01 11:29:14 PM

DownDaRiver: Well gee, thanks sooo much for explaining all that and clearing up everything.
/sarcasm off


Yeah, I was halfway through writing that when I realized there wasn't shiat of a chance of it doing any good. Cherished illusion is cherished. White folk still dismissed the Africans for being drum-thumping cannibals long after they had any excuse for believing it. It's just too gratifying to believe that all those people need is an enlightened honky to come and teach 'em the virtues of clean, Christian living and become Lord of the Jungle.
 
2012-10-01 11:44:33 PM

ShannonKW: DownDaRiver: Well gee, thanks sooo much for explaining all that and clearing up everything.
/sarcasm off

Yeah, I was halfway through writing that when I realized there wasn't shiat of a chance of it doing any good. Cherished illusion is cherished. White folk still dismissed the Africans for being drum-thumping cannibals long after they had any excuse for believing it. It's just too gratifying to believe that all those people need is an enlightened honky to come and teach 'em the virtues of clean, Christian living and become Lord of the Jungle.



Uh, OK, look I'll just put down the stick and back away slowly. Keep calm, nobody is going to rush you just stay nice and calm. Nope, nobody is going to sneak up behind you. Its ok, just remain calm.
 
2012-10-01 11:45:40 PM
ciberido: Or by "shut up" do you mean that Farkers will tell other Farkers to stop criticizing Ultra-orthodox Judaism?

indylaw: You eventually got it.


Meh. I simply don't see it that way. The only "religious" or "life stance-y" group on Fark that everybody seems to want to give a free pass is Buddhism. Every other life stance, including Atheism, gets its share of critics, some of him are very vituperative, and its defenders who will, in one way or another, tell the detractors to shut up.

Sure, SOME Farkers may do so, but overall, I really don't see Judaism getting any special treatment here.
 
2012-10-02 12:23:23 AM

ciberido: The only "religious" or "life stance-y" group on Fark that everybody seems to want to give a free pass is Buddhism.


If it weren't for Zen Buddhism, do you think the Japanese could have done atrocities like the Rape of Nanjing?

AND DON'T YOU BLAME SHINTOISM FOR THAT. That was 100% Zen, probably Rinzai school Bushido bullshiat.
 
2012-10-02 12:50:17 AM
The only thing Ikea did wrong was apologizing for making different catalogs for different markets.
 
2012-10-02 01:00:10 AM

stewmadness: Ran into a chick wearing a burka the other day, and her eyes smiled at me. So, I pumped three rounds into her chest and then called her dad. He thanked me, and gave me a goat.


Holy crap. Excellent.
 
2012-10-02 01:39:28 AM

ShannonKW: DownDaRiver: Its not much of a stretch to guess why some of them muslims dudes are uptight.
Their religion tells them that this is bad.

No, it doesn't.

I've lived in Saudi Arabia for a few years now (and the conservative, rural quarter of KSA at that). I see some version of this idea bob up reliably in every thread about Muslim attitudes toward women.

Saudis approve of women. What they don't approve of (largely, but not entirely, for religious reasons) is the public display of women. This should not be hard for a Westerner to grasp. You can love your mother or your wife or your daughter with all your heart and be very proud of her, yet you can still think it bad to post naked pictures of her on the internet. They are not bad women to you; what is bad is to display them for any filthy pervert to gape at. Similarly, the Saudis do not think that women, or even beautiful naked women, are bad. They don't approve of slapping images of them all around the marketplace for everyone to see.


That's nice and all, but this was the first year they allowed female athletes compete in the Olympics. It's 2012, for fark's sake.
 
2012-10-02 02:17:30 AM

Trocadero: this was the first year they allowed female athletes compete in the Olympics. It's 2012, for fark's sake.


What the hell does the year have to do with it? That they've had X amount of time to remould their society to suit you and have failed to do so? They just don't want to be like you.

Don't get me wrong. There is quite an invoice of shortcomings in Saudi society which most Saudis would admit to you, if you had their confidence. It certainly ain't utopia (which is why I'm posting this from Cambodia rather than KSA). It's a hardship posting, and I work there because I get paid accordingly, not because I approve of the lifestyle. I just notice it a lot when people come out with a lot of weird misconceptions about the place. Really, it's not your fault. The Saudis are a very private people, and they don't like to make a spectacle of their lives on video for all the world to see, so people have no better way than guessing to imagine how they live. You might be surprised how similar Saudis are to Americans. I've told a number of my students that, if they go to America, everyone will assume they're Mexicans. No one would guess they're Saudis.
 
2012-10-02 04:25:54 AM

FunkOut: ashinmytomatoes: I am thoroughly convinced that, if the Muslim world had the technology for an artificial womb and a bio-engineered plague that killed only women, they would happily kill all the women.

The Tleilaxu with their axlotl tanks.


The tanks were women, though.

"No Bene Geserit will ever become an axlotl tank."
 
2012-10-02 07:03:42 AM

xl5150: A worldwide company is changing their advertisements to better reflect the core values of a local market. Big deal. Just because Ikea is based in Sweden doesn't mean that their stores in other countries need to reflect the norms of Sweden. People are looking too hard for something to be upset about here.


This.

I fail to see the issue. People just love to gossip and oogle at foreign concepts instead of trying to understand anything.
 
2012-10-02 10:32:31 AM
good lord - Starbucks changed their logo for Saudi over a decade ago.

pre.cloudfront.goodinc.com 

/look ma - no mermaid.
 
2012-10-02 12:50:33 PM

ShannonKW: DownDaRiver: Its not much of a stretch to guess why some of them muslims dudes are uptight.
Their religion tells them that this is bad.

No, it doesn't.

I've lived in Saudi Arabia for a few years now (and the conservative, rural quarter of KSA at that). I see some version of this idea bob up reliably in every thread about Muslim attitudes toward women.

Saudis approve of women. What they don't approve of (largely, but not entirely, for religious reasons) is the public display of women. This should not be hard for a Westerner to grasp. You can love your mother or your wife or your daughter with all your heart and be very proud of her, yet you can still think it bad to post naked pictures of her on the internet. They are not bad women to you; what is bad is to display them for any filthy pervert to gape at. Similarly, the Saudis do not think that women, or even beautiful naked women, are bad. They don't approve of slapping images of them all around the marketplace for everyone to see.


Yeah, except that that doesn't excuse it. First of all, if a pervert gapes at anything it is the fault of the pervert, not what they're gaping at. This is the root problem of most fundamentalism -- sin should be viewed as the fault of the sinner, not the fault of the temptation.

Secondly, even with the views of nudity in US (OMG we saw a nipple on tv!) it is equally stupid -- any time you say that something about a person isn't fit for the public it is demeaning.

So sure, our attitudes in US also need further adjustment. But that doesn't mean that the Saudi views are wrong too, and to a larger extent.

It is still amazing to me that here in US we happily show gore on TV (any crime show now has people joking or flirting while doing some autopsy) but can't even show a nipple. Last I checked, pretty much everyone on the planet has a nipple ...

Our priorities are definitely screwed up when we allow our teenagers to kill to their hearts content in video games, but ban swear words and acts of love.
 
2012-10-02 12:51:56 PM
>> But that doesn't mean that the Saudi views aren't wrong too, and to a larger extent.

typo
 
2012-10-02 09:00:45 PM

xl5150: A worldwide company is changing their advertisements to better reflect the core values of a local market. Big deal. Just because Ikea is based in Sweden doesn't mean that their stores in other countries need to reflect the norms of Sweden. People are looking too hard for something to be upset about here.


"Core values?" Like misogyny?
 
2012-10-03 07:45:23 AM

Wayne 985: "Core values?" Like misogyny?


Yep. And since they want to sell there, they have to cater to the misogynists. They are a business, not the UN.
 
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