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(Some Guy)   Mike Rowe, on reports that he's endorsing Romney: "When it comes to the press, you can't put the poop back in the goose"   (mikeroweworks.com) divider line 72
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2012-10-01 04:47:39 PM  
11 votes:

WTF Indeed: Mike Rowe thought he was going to a real discussion on creating jobs because Mike Rowe thinks as a TV host he is an expert on creating jobs.


At least he has a plan which is more than Mitt Romney can say.
2012-10-01 04:44:44 PM  
10 votes:

WTF Indeed: A few weeks ago, Governor Romney invited me to participate in a round table conversation with some local CEO's.

A classic case of hubris. Mike Rowe thought he was going to a real discussion on creating jobs because Mike Rowe thinks as a TV host he is an expert on creating jobs.


Well, he's more of an expert than anyone in Congress...
2012-10-01 06:04:40 PM  
6 votes:
Hey, Mike? If you're onstage with Mitt Romney at a Mitt Romney rally and the first words out of your mouth aren't, "Mitt Romney is a lying sack of sh*t who got me up here under false pretenses" you really can't blame the press or anyone but yourself for people seeing it as an endorsement.

www.splicetoday.com
2012-10-01 05:38:54 PM  
6 votes:
Skilled labor, huh?
Well, for God's sake, nobody mention unions.
2012-10-01 04:44:21 PM  
5 votes:
Nicely put, Mr. Rowe. Hopefully this kerfluffle will end with more people paying attention to your Big Idea.
2012-10-01 04:31:41 PM  
5 votes:
In before biatching about ZOMG MIKE ROWE SUPPOSRT RETHUGLIKKKANS I ALWAYSN THOUGHT DIRTY JOBS SUKED!!!11111

/One of the major problems in the country today is everyone feeling the need to drag politics into everything. I'm expecting to one day see a backlash against a porn star because they don't vote a certain way, which is why their cock isn't fully erect or their vagina is more cavernous than the usual.
2012-10-01 05:14:39 PM  
4 votes:

Marcus Aurelius: Two things not to discuss in polite company:
1. Politics
2. Religion


Add pro-sports to that list. farking hate being in a work environment and that shiat comes up, it completely kills productivity and bores the shiat out of me.
2012-10-01 05:01:18 PM  
4 votes:

WTF Indeed: A few weeks ago, Governor Romney invited me to participate in a round table conversation with some local CEO's.

A classic case of hubris. Mike Rowe thought he was going to a real discussion on creating jobs because Mike Rowe thinks as a TV host he is an expert on creating jobs.


No, I think his job enables him to have a point of view that he thinks is valid. We allow silver spoon assholes like Kraukhammer and Kristol to say inane sh*t all the time (and are supposed to believe them). Why not Mike?
2012-10-01 05:00:01 PM  
4 votes:
FTA-"Our country is fundamentally disconnected from hard work and skilled labor. I've seen it firsthand in every single state, and the consequences are real. In Alabama, half the skilled workforce is north of fifty, and retiring fast."

Pretty much. As a contractor, it's getting scary. Plenty of laid-off factory workers & white collar guys peddling their "skills" as handymen trying to make ends meet.

But actual "craftsmen"? Very few and far between. The problem is there aren't a lot of jobs for any kid wanting to go into the trades at the moment, so why bother to learn?

Eventually this crapbox economy will recover, and there will be another boom. That's when the trouble will start. There will be a huge skilled labor shortage.

It takes years to train a good tradesman. Electricians, 5 years of otj training, and a few years of night school. Similar path for plumbers.

Even though carpenters don't really need to go to school, it still takes years of otj training before they are worth a damn.

Good news for the kids getting into the trades right now though. When the shiat hits the fan, they'll be able to write their own ticket.
2012-10-01 04:59:14 PM  
4 votes:

WTF Indeed: A few weeks ago, Governor Romney invited me to participate in a round table conversation with some local CEO's.

A classic case of hubris. Mike Rowe thought he was going to a real discussion on creating jobs because Mike Rowe thinks as a TV host he is an expert on creating jobs.


He's more qualified than Romney, Obama, or Congress.
2012-10-01 04:57:08 PM  
4 votes:
To sum up: the Skills Gap affects us all, and the reason it exists is not a great mystery. It's simply a reflection of what we value. And what we value in our workforce needs to change. If you share my addiction to paved roads, cheap food, affordable energy, and indoor plumbing, I hope you'll support that effort. As for actual endorsements though, enough already. I'm endorsing a PR Campaign for Hard Work and Skilled Labor. No matter who wins.

Agreed. 100%
2012-10-01 07:36:49 PM  
3 votes:
Is there actually a lack of work for skilled tradesmen? I find that somewhat hard to believe. Or is the point of that article that people just aren't filling the available jobs? That I could definitely believe.

Anyway, I find this particular attitude irritating:

Our country is fundamentally disconnected from hard work...

No, Mr. Rowe. Because a part of my job involves using my brain doesn't mean I don't work hard. Yes, I do some modicum of light labor. I lift servers, I fiddle with small tools and climb ladders and pull cables and this often leaves me disheveled and sweaty and disgusting. But the majority of my work is at a desk using my brain. I find it annoying when people imply, intentionally or not, that this isn't "hard work". I think of it in terms of a mechanic. A mechanic's job is not purely a matter of muscle. He gets dirty and fiddles with tools, but a truly quality mechanic isn't defined by his physical effort. That's just him putting his ideas to work. He uses his brain and solves problems. There are people who don't really do work and just sort of sit around collecting paychecks, but that's not really a terribly new problem and to suggest that people whose primary function is to think aren't working hard is insulting and stupid.

Aside from that, that was actually a good article. Nice to see not everybody Romney has been around recently isn't a complete moron.
2012-10-01 06:52:22 PM  
3 votes:

Fear the Clam: robohobo: Fear the Clam: FirstNationalBastard: WTF Indeed: A few weeks ago, Governor Romney invited me to participate in a round table conversation with some local CEO's.

A classic case of hubris. Mike Rowe thought he was going to a real discussion on creating jobs because Mike Rowe thinks as a TV host he is an expert on creating jobs.

Well, he's more of an expert than anyone in Congress...

Yeah, we know that he's a regular Joe because he never takes his hat off indoors, just like a actual prole.

/GTF over yourself, TV host

So he should wear a suit because that's what 'respectable adults' do?

He doesn't need to wear a suit to remove his hat indoors like a civilized human being.


What if he was some african guy with a kufi cap? Would he still need to take it off? Not picking a fight, just asking. Why does he need to look/dress a certain way to make his words matter?
2012-10-01 05:34:46 PM  
3 votes:
Have to agree with Mike. Too many people think they can land a nice, clean, easy desk job without much effort, while plumbers, welders, master carpenters, etc are getting rarer. The last plumber who worked on my house had an associates degree in computer science. He had been working as a plumber since high school to pay for college, when he realized two important points: 1. without a bachelors he wasn't going to get a job in CS, 2. it's impossible to outsource plumbing jobs to India. He gets paid by the job and his workload varies, but he does well enough.
2012-10-01 04:51:07 PM  
3 votes:

JusticeandIndependence: After I read white text on black background it screwed with my eyes coming back to Fark.

I think I saw Jesus


dsc.discovery.com

/never let it be said I didn't do anything nice for the broads on FARK.
2012-10-01 11:40:37 PM  
2 votes:
I'd like to cut the defense budget in half and use that money to give all kids opportunities to go to trade school, community college, or a university (private or state) rather than force kids with no choices to join the military and be cannon fodder for war mongers.
2012-10-01 09:44:35 PM  
2 votes:
FTA: To close the gap, we need to first change perceptions about the definition of a "good job." It's simply unrealistic to expect our kids to get excited about careers that society disparages as "dumb, dirty, or dangerous." We have to remove the stigmas and stereotypes associated with skilled labor, and stop portraying legitimate opportunities as some sort of "vocational consolation prize." That means letting go of the absurd belief that a four-year degree is the only sensible way to acquire useful knowledge and have a good career. In other words, we need a PR Campaign for Skilled Labor, not just for the benefit of skilled workers, but for the benefit of people who rely on their work... meaning all of us. What could be more bi-partisan?

Those jobs are viewed as crappy because they pay like crap and to work them for more than twenty years won't get you to a point where you could hope to retire, not because they've been socially stigmatized. A PR campaign won't change that.
2012-10-01 09:12:03 PM  
2 votes:
A friend of mine since Grade 4 had his father train him in heating and furances. It's his profession, allegedly he's pretty good at it. (He's now 28. so nearly 20 years related experience)

However, whenever I ask him about hiring someone else to help him because he probably could get more work done after a couple weeks, he laughs and replies:
"Why the hell should I pay or help anyone until what they are doing is actually making me money?"

So in his mindset, it's not in his best interest to offer any training or anything, and definately not pay them a dime. It's just a curious example of someone who does a neccesary trade (We're in Canada, it gets cold) but has no interest in expanding the trade. If other tradesmen have that similar mindset, that doesn't help expand the trade pool.

Although, if we had an excess of plumbers and other labour, maybe it wouldn't cost 900 bucks for a single call or 7k for a job and they don't want the lowered cost of competition..
2012-10-01 07:58:45 PM  
2 votes:
Mike is right on. He should be talking to - and talking up - the unions. There's good apprenticeships available for people that want them that lead to good jobs. It's not really coincidental that the mass destruction of the unions coincides with this trade skill gap.
2012-10-01 07:36:24 PM  
2 votes:
He seems like a nice and smart guy and all, but does he really expect Mitt Romney to listen to him? If it's not about horse-dancing or firing people Mitt isn't going to pay the slightest bit of attention. And he wants to gut just about everything Rowe is saying we need more of.
2012-10-01 07:20:18 PM  
2 votes:
Why desk and business jobs? Those are taxed at a rate LOWER than hard work. You want to make hard work attractive? Tax capital gains at 50% and honest to goodness hard work at a lower rate.
But that won't happen.
2012-10-01 07:07:34 PM  
2 votes:

Devolving_Spud: Mike Rowe has been saying these things (that need to be said and heard) for a while:

Mike Rowe speaks to Congress

That link is a repeat from sometime in the last 2 or 3 years. I forget when I last saw it.

I work in a skilled profession, one that used to be respected. Trying to get young people who even want to learn what I do is difficult, and finding young people who aren't too thick-headed or distracted to learn is damn near impossible. And as soon as they realize there is some physical effort involved and it isn't a 9-to-5 job with weekends and holidays off, they run for the exits.


As opposed to physically demanding work, no clearly defined working hours, no weekends nor holidays? Not against the skills sector by any means but you, Sir, are no salesman.
2012-10-01 05:41:23 PM  
2 votes:
Our country is fundamentally disconnected from hard work and skilled labor. I've seen it firsthand in every single state, and the consequences are real. In Alabama, half the skilled workforce is north of fifty, and retiring fast. For every four workers that leave the workforce, only one enters to replace them. Our Skills Gap is a mathematical nightmare, and it's playing out all over the country. The result? Hundreds of thousands of jobs that companies simply cannot fill. It's a massive problem that no one talks about, because in most people's minds a labor shortage can't exist while unemployment is over 8%. But the facts are clear, and the gap is real.

I completely agree with him on the elimination of the skilled labor stigma, but I think he's being a bit out of touch with the number of employment vacancies. Go look at Craigslist. Every Tom, Dick, and Harry is still tripping over himself trying to be the guy you pick to remodel your kitchen or install new glass block windows in your basement. I get flyers mailed to me literally almost every day from contractors competing for business. If there were millions of skilled labor jobs available, people would be training and scooping them up. Not everyone who's unemployed is a lazy asshole. If I lost my job, I'd be installing ceramic tile the first opportunity I got.
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2012-10-01 05:37:58 PM  
2 votes:
The guy can address whomever he wants, and even campaign for whatever candidate he likes. Fact is mrW is the shiat. I've donated time and money to it, and I think it's one of the few things that will save the economy a few years down the road. Rowe says we need to do something before we're all swimming in poo. And he's 100% right. Politics doesn't have anything to do with it.
2012-10-01 05:27:30 PM  
2 votes:

meat0918: Too late....

Can't google it at work, but Jenna Jameson got a bit of a backlash.


Jenna Jameson got backlash because her stance was stupid, given that Romney's official stance is that her industry needs to be eliminated wholesale.
2012-10-01 05:24:04 PM  
2 votes:
I'm sure everyone who said fark Mike Rowe in the last thread will return and apologize....right? Right?
2012-10-01 05:09:27 PM  
2 votes:
Two things not to discuss in polite company:
1. Politics
2. Religion
2012-10-01 05:07:27 PM  
2 votes:

Basily Gourt: FTA-"Our country is fundamentally disconnected from hard work and skilled labor. I've seen it firsthand in every single state, and the consequences are real. In Alabama, half the skilled workforce is north of fifty, and retiring fast."

Pretty much. As a contractor, it's getting scary. Plenty of laid-off factory workers & white collar guys peddling their "skills" as handymen trying to make ends meet.

But actual "craftsmen"? Very few and far between. The problem is there aren't a lot of jobs for any kid wanting to go into the trades at the moment, so why bother to learn?

Eventually this crapbox economy will recover, and there will be another boom. That's when the trouble will start. There will be a huge skilled labor shortage.

It takes years to train a good tradesman. Electricians, 5 years of otj training, and a few years of night school. Similar path for plumbers.

Even though carpenters don't really need to go to school, it still takes years of otj training before they are worth a damn.

Good news for the kids getting into the trades right now though. When the shiat hits the fan, they'll be able to write their own ticket.


Where I am mid-lfe and would love to get into a trade and have no idea where to start or go to get the training and education I need to live out the second half of my life doing something usefull and leaving myself a decent retirement.
2012-10-01 05:06:30 PM  
2 votes:
You know MIke Rowe was talking to Todd n Tyler last week, and they asked him about the news concerning Romney and his paper. Remember, he had Obama look at it four years ago as well.

His reply was basically this. 'If you want to get a politician to read something, tell him you'll vote for him if he reads it. They get RIGHT on that sort of thing if it brings votes in.'

So yeah, he basically coerced Romney into reading something he probably didn't give a shiat about by feigning interest in voting for him. Sadly the Romney campaign kinda trolled him a bit for his efforts, and it probably backfired as far as the interest he was hoping for. But like they say... any publicity is good publicity in some lines of work.
2012-10-01 04:44:16 PM  
2 votes:
This really is why we can't have nice things.
2012-10-02 05:20:11 PM  
1 votes:
I use to work behind a desk. 40 hours of boring hell a week. Pay was good but I was losing my mind with the same day in day out work. One day I went in to my local VW shop. Talked to the owner about helping around the shop for free if he'd teach me. No problem. After my desk job I'd go over and work a few hours a day there. Did that for a few years and now I work full time at another VW shop. No it's not great money but I do something I love. Still have to work at a desk once and a while but I'm never bored.
If you want to change your life you're in control just go for it.
2012-10-02 04:13:02 PM  
1 votes:

EyeballKid: So, he was just looking to get ATTENTION from whatever means he could obtain? If only there were a word for that type of person, another type of profession that doesn't require a 4-year degree. Surely Mr. TV Host can come up with that one, too.


OH, you're just looking to get ATTENTION from whatever means you could obtain?

Bravo. That's meta-trolling.
2012-10-02 04:11:46 PM  
1 votes:

EyeballKid: Flaming Yawn: Oh, don't be stupid. He was looking for ATTENTION FOR HIS CAUSE of encouraging the young to get into trades. If you read the FA you'd cognize that.

Romney, who I don't have any use for politically, even had the grace to introduce him making clear it was not an endorsement. Rowe thought, perhaps naively, that he could get his message out without getting coated with politics, but that's not the way it works.

It's just the last part of that I can't buy. If Rowe thought this wouldn't be politicized, perhaps there's a reason he doesn't host a show called "Jobs That Required Some Thorough Educating."


Y U Hatin?

Seriously, what he's trying to do is pretty noble. He's been consistent about it for at least a decade. And he's been using his show as a soapbox for MikeRoweWORKS now for at least 2 years, probably more. His show has led to others that focus on very specific jobs, in conjunction with the success of another project he's involved in: Deadliest Catch.

And let's just suppose for a moment that he knew full well that this would be politicized.

Why do you give even the tiniest fark? I don't get it. What's your angle here?
2012-10-02 03:38:15 PM  
1 votes:

EyeballKid: The My Little Pony Killer: Also, I'm quite amused at all the farkers musing about Rowe's connection with Romney when TFA states that he merely saw a soapbox and used it. Nothing more.

So, he was just looking to get ATTENTION from whatever means he could obtain? If only there were a word for that type of person, another type of profession that doesn't require a 4-year degree. Surely Mr. TV Host can come up with that one, too.


Oh, don't be stupid. He was looking for ATTENTION FOR HIS CAUSE of encouraging the young to get into trades. If you read the FA you'd cognize that.

Romney, who I don't have any use for politically, even had the grace to introduce him making clear it was not an endorsement. Rowe thought, perhaps naively, that he could get his message out without getting coated with politics, but that's not the way it works.
2012-10-02 07:50:54 AM  
1 votes:

Girion47: is part of that art leaving my sunroof motor unplugged when you're done?


The art is mostly in the metalwork and finishing. I left the sunroof unplugged so I would have another chance to see your beautiful face. I know it's cheesy but I'm shy and you are sooooo hot.
2012-10-02 06:20:27 AM  
1 votes:
In spite of its name, the mikeroweWORKS Foundation does not benefit Mike Rowe - it benefits men and women who wish to pursue a career in the skilled trades. ? Seems like he got his money were his mouth is ?
2012-10-02 03:20:18 AM  
1 votes:
Everytime i talk to a young person who is hesitant to go to college or just wants to work now, i encourage a trade. Not everyone needs to go to a 4 year college to be successful. I have 2 cousins who own their own businesses and are more successful than I'll ever be: one is a plumber and the other is a welder.
2012-10-02 02:12:13 AM  
1 votes:

rohar: Jim_Callahan: rohar: blahpers: intelligent comment below: I'd like to cut the defense budget in half and use that money to give all kids opportunities to go to trade school, community college, or a university (private or state) rather than force kids with no choices to join the military and be cannon fodder for war mongers.

intelligent comment below for President!

The problem is, as Mr. Rowe outlined very well, those kids don't want to. Given that, now what?

Give them a handshake, thank them for giving up the opportunity for free training and thus allowing someone who doesn't suck to take advantage of the program, and then offer it to the next kid?

I mean, there's a point at which you've offered to solve the problem and it's time to focus on people that actually want it solved.

That's nice, but the next kid doesn't want to stand in front of a knee mill listening to 60hz triphase all day getting covered in oil either.

THEY DON'T WANT TO DO THE WORK. How do we change this?


If the demand for the job is there, raise the expected pay to make the job desirable. There are plenty of people who are willing to do vocational work if the pay is good enough. Hell, I'll be the first to admit that construction workers should make far more than I do hacking at a keyboard all day. If the problem gets bad enough, we'll just have to implement some kind of economic incentive. Higher pay tends to combat the stigma associated with such jobs as well. If, on average, a lawyer make $40,000 a year but a carpenter can pull $120,000, guess what kind of guy Mom is going to be nagging her daughter to marry?

If the demand for the job isn't there, well, it's apparent we no longer need that particular kind of laborer.

If you're intimating that "kids these days" don't want to work at any job at all, don't worry so much. There have always been slackers. The difference between yesterday and today is that slackers don't starve to death their first hard winter--which is a good thing unless you're into social Darwinism. We still have a large pool of potential workers; they just need the right incentive.
2012-10-02 01:20:01 AM  
1 votes:

rohar: Uh, I'll pay $60/hour all day every day for an experienced machinist. You know the type, one that'll look at a sketch and give me a bunch of shiat because I didn't design it so you can eventually remove those bearings that will eventually fail and I forgot about. My go to guy is 70 years old, he's no fun but between us we kick out great products. His son's a lawyer and his daughter is and MBA. Apperently it's cool dad drives a machine and gets covered in cutting oil all day, but that's too much for the kids. The option is to go to one of the many CNC shops, but they'll never double check my work. The end result isn't the same.

I blame the helicopter parents.



Okay, and? What are hiring practices like? How do you become one? Do you have to shell out a lot of money for a trade school then certification? Aren't most of those kids today just going into the military when before they would be hired as an apprentice? Aren't most apprentices these days not given a livable salary to start with? Kind of tough to live off that.
2012-10-02 12:39:43 AM  
1 votes:

Jim_Callahan: Regrets: Let me repeat that, a PENSION, not a shiatbird 401k, but a PENSION. But let me clarify, I already have a pension but I'm only making 4k-6k a month right now. Find me any desk job where you still get a pension instead of the scam that is a 401k.

And people saying stupid shiat like this that demonstrates clear ignorance of what to most of us are basic elements of personal finance is one of the biggest obstacles to convincing employers not to require a 4-year degree for everyone.

For Christ's sake (or whatever your imaginary friend of choice may be) shut the fark up about things you have no comprehension of if you want us to ever get back to an economy where people don't have to build up 100k of debt to get a job stocking groceries. This goes double for conspiracy theories, whether they're fearful ignorance of what a 401k is because there's math or a stubborn insistence that Obama was born in Kenya. Just... come on, give the people trying to fix the problem a break here. I know you've apparently got yours, but come the hell on.


Really? So you're saying a 401k is better than a pension? Before I go and teach how and why a 401k is shiat compared to a pension I just want to make sure that's what you're saying. I'm notfearful nor ignorant of a 401k. I actually have both. I just put hardly any money it since its worth is at the mercy of the market. But if you insist a 401k is better please say so.

/Obama was born in Hawaii
//Mike Rowe is a hero for what he is doing
2012-10-02 12:18:34 AM  
1 votes:

rohar: The problem is, as Mr. Rowe outlined very well, those kids don't want to. Given that, now what?



He outlined it, but is it based on fact?

Kids have no motivation because they look around and see so much poverty, so little jobs, polarized politics and no real choices.

I know it's chic for the older generation to say how lazy kids are these days, but that's been going on forever. I just don't see it. I see people of all ages standing around hardware stores looking for work. I see young and old people working in all sorts of jobs from starbucks to gamestop to whole foods. If you give kids opportunities to do something they like, at a trade school or college, chances are you will see more people motivated.
2012-10-01 11:07:52 PM  
1 votes:

Basily Gourt:
But actual "craftsmen"? Very few and far between. The problem is there aren't a lot of jobs for any kid wanting to go into the trades at the moment, so why bother to learn?


The same can be said for many STEM college graduates... you hear the whining on the business channels about "shortages of skilled workers" when there are plenty of physics majors, math majors, engineering majors and science majors working at starbucks or shelving groceries. We know now that their whining is just more excuses for shipping H1-B's in by the boatload to work here and outsourcing the rest to the third world for $1.50 a day.

You want to motivate people to move into these jobs, both dirty and not so dirty? Make sure there are good paying jobs at the other end of their training and school.
2012-10-01 09:32:02 PM  
1 votes:
If we need more skilled labor, I wonder how productive it would be to try to get more women in those jobs. Most of these professions are ridiculously male dominated -- to a far greater degree than professions like "science teacher" or "medical doctor" or any of those other jobs where you're used to hearing all of the fretting over gender imbalance.
2012-10-01 09:05:04 PM  
1 votes:

orclover: [www.splicetoday.com image 420x284]

I think mike is less regretting being suckered into stumping for Romney than he is regretting getting waves of flack from his sponsors about taking a public side in the election and is now trying to dig his way out of the publicity hole. Still it was a safe choice politically. The working class tends to Vote republican regardless of how much it cost them in the long run, which is his primary viewership. I'm wondering what the GOP took back to make him renege on his endorsement.

You'r not actually buying this bullshiat hes feeding you are ya? Unless he shows up at a Obama event with a round table then he made his bed. Public endorsements also have consequences, he may have just killed his message permanently. Or maybe he should double down on Mitt and roll the dice. Maybe he will be made Dirty Worker Czar or something after the GoP pull out a win.


FTFA, you mouth-breathing cretin:

Some people are disappointed with me because I wasn't standing next to President Obama when I made my remarks. Perhaps they are under the impression that I can just call The White House and book myself an appearance whenever it suits me.

This is the leader of the goddamn free world, not the town mayor. He might just have a few other people wanting to have a talk with him too.
2012-10-01 08:58:18 PM  
1 votes:
Good to see Fark is still filled to the brim with partisan farkwits who only care about seeing their team score points.
2012-10-01 08:47:52 PM  
1 votes:
Wow, my respect for Mike Rowe went up like 500%. Nothing to do with his politics but that he's indicated he's willing to work with anyone. Our country needs more of this.
2012-10-01 08:00:52 PM  
1 votes:
At first I was like who the fark is Mike Rowe?

Then I was like, oh, that Dirty Jobs guy, though I've never watched Dirty Jobs.

Then I was like, oh yeah, he appeared at an event with Romney.

Then I was like what is it with people who think reverse text on a black background is a good idea?

Then I was like, he's not getting to his point, I give up.

Then I was like, wow a lot of people here seem to really like the guy.

Then I was like, oh for cripe's sake, it's the dude with the hat from the Ford commercials. I hate that hat.

Then I was like, everyone should read my whole vacant-headed thought process on this.

True story, bro.
2012-10-01 07:59:27 PM  
1 votes:
And what we value in our workforce needs to change.


That, right there, points to the fount and source of a lot of what's wrong with America these days. Both the employment marketplace and the tax code value money-shuffling more than anything else, and what do we get?

We don't -- and can't -- make as much shiat anymore, not like we used to. Instead we get sociopaths enriching themselves while they crash the world's economy while they tell us we should thank them for all the goddamned "liquidity" they're creating.

Hopefully it won't take another near-depression to muster the political will to re-orient things a little faster.
2012-10-01 07:54:04 PM  
1 votes:

FirstNationalBastard: In before biatching about ZOMG MIKE ROWE SUPPOSRT RETHUGLIKKKANS I ALWAYSN THOUGHT DIRTY JOBS SUKED!!!11111

/One of the major problems in the country today is everyone feeling the need to drag politics into everything. I'm expecting to one day see a backlash against a porn star because they don't vote a certain way, which is why their cock isn't fully erect or their vagina is more cavernous than the usual.


Lulz, I'm liberal as heck. When I heard Mike Rowe had endorsed Romney, I was confused and a little disappointed. That said, I have seen both his work and Mike Holmes work (they really should pair up even though Mr. Holmes is from Canuckistan) developing skilled trades and encouraging people to go into fields of skilled manual labor. I have, and will continue to, believe in the tremendous value of this idea regardless of the political ideology of either of them.
2012-10-01 07:53:50 PM  
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This worked for me. Link It involves a bit of BS, but it's worth it in the end. Your schooling is COMPLETELY PAID FOR. Only thing you have to pay for out of pocket is the credentials you need to be a merchant marine. Like Passport, TWIC, MMD, etc..

fark working at a desk. Get paid more too. Just don't try it if you get home sick.....or motion sickness. Heck there are even jobs where you get schedules like 3 weeks on, 3 weeks off.

Make plenty of money doing it and work when I want. On my last run I had some shore time in Japan, Singapore, Turkey, Italy, Belgium, Germany, Britain, UAE, and India.

The work is just as interesting to me (Engine room) as the places I visit. Wouldn't trade my dirty dangerous job for anything. 

Remember 90% of all goods shipped are moved on ships. That's not even mentioning the national security aspect of it.
2012-10-01 07:51:20 PM  
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Devolving_Spud: Mike Rowe has been saying these things (that need to be said and heard) for a while:

Mike Rowe speaks to Congress

That link is a repeat from sometime in the last 2 or 3 years. I forget when I last saw it.

I work in a skilled profession, one that used to be respected. Trying to get young people who even want to learn what I do is difficult, and finding young people who aren't too thick-headed or distracted to learn is damn near impossible. And as soon as they realize there is some physical effort involved and it isn't a 9-to-5 job with weekends and holidays off, they run for the exits.


I feel bad for them... as profile indicates, I have an MA in Econ, but I fix snowboards and bikes most of my day. There's something incredibly rewarding about being able to look at things and know you made them, know you fixed them. Manual labor can be intensely rewarding. Aside from that, it can be a very zen experience in the day, many crafts are things you just can't hurry... if you're doing some of these things in a hurry, odds are, you're doing them wrong. The rub of many kinds of manual labor is that people assume there's no knowledge base associated with it... they seem to think that manual labor is inherently unskilled, that anyone can do it... the reality couldn't be farther from the truth in many cases. Bringing back apprenticeships into the modern workforce, and reminding people that good, hard, sweaty, physical work can be rewarding is critical to getting our economy as a whole fixed... we can't all be selling stuff and buying stuff if none of us are making stuff.
2012-10-01 07:46:59 PM  
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"That means letting go of the absurd belief that a four-year degree is the only sensible way to acquire useful knowledge and have a good career."

Mike Rowe for farking President NOW!
2012-10-01 07:38:28 PM  
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LouDobbsAwaaaay: He seems like a nice and smart guy and all, but does he really expect Mitt Romney to listen to him?


Oh, and this? If he's being earnest it doesn't really matter. You're missing the point. If all he wants is a stage divorced from his media contract, he can use Romney just as easily as Romney can use him. The point may not be to have Mitt listen. Mitt's just the guy who gave him the stage. The point may be just to push his agenda.
2012-10-01 06:59:12 PM  
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Eatin' Queer Fetuses for Jesus: FTA: It's simply unrealistic to expect our kids to get excited about careers that society disparages as "dumb, dirty, or dangerous."

THE TITLE OF YOUR SHOW IS NOT HELPING.


Um..poop is dirty. So is oil. Also dirt. Based on all the aids-ridden sex going on, people don't so much mind dirty.
2012-10-01 06:54:50 PM  
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WTF Indeed: A few weeks ago, Governor Romney invited me to participate in a round table conversation with some local CEO's.

A classic case of hubris. Mike Rowe thought he was going to a real discussion on creating jobs because Mike Rowe thinks as a TV host he is an expert on creating jobs.


At least as much as Romney is.
2012-10-01 06:31:47 PM  
1 votes:

Devolving_Spud: Mike Rowe has been saying these things (that need to be said and heard) for a while:

Mike Rowe speaks to Congress

That link is a repeat from sometime in the last 2 or 3 years. I forget when I last saw it.

I work in a skilled profession, one that used to be respected. Trying to get young people who even want to learn what I do is difficult, and finding young people who aren't too thick-headed or distracted to learn is damn near impossible. And as soon as they realize there is some physical effort involved and it isn't a 9-to-5 job with weekends and holidays off, they run for the exits.


Joke is on them. With the invent of the blackberry and corporate email, and office job worth a damn is "always on". You will be on 50 hours a week, your boss will be calling you on weekends, and time off is only for down periods (too many of which mean layoffs).

At least a trade job, when you're on vacation, you can't do much work off location. And when you're busy, you're getting extra compensation for labor.

The coming shortage is a good thing. Prices will rise, people will start to make better decisions vs overpriced college, and a new generation will be able to afford the nice things in life.

Same thing is happening with healthcare in the flyover states, where there's extreme shortages and the coming baby boomer retirements.
2012-10-01 06:23:43 PM  
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flamingboar: There was one episode of Dirty Jobs where Mike and crew went inside a building and took out walls, ceilings and gutted the place before it was torn down. I have always wanted to do that, so any ideas of where to start? I don't even know the job title.


Architectural salvage?
2012-10-01 06:23:09 PM  
1 votes:
This is probably the only time I'll say this, but good on Romney for clarify his involvement. Seems some over zealous staffer tried to pull a fast one on Rowe to win a news cycle, and Romney did the right thing and tired to pull that back.

Still, I don't think what the country needs is another special interest pushing a PR initiative. Rowe is right, and Obama's been preaching it too, but the big problem is the road map to get there.

Too many people are going to college, not enough skilled tradesmen are being produced, and companies refuse to pay a living wage or do ANY training. Something has got to give.
2012-10-01 06:17:05 PM  
1 votes:

Marcus Aurelius: Two things not to discuss in polite company:
1. Politics
2. Religion


Pretty much that. The bible thumper girl I work with has finally got it through her thick head that the second she starts talking about either of those I either stop listening or leave the room.
2012-10-01 06:09:35 PM  
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Nadie_AZ: To sum up: the Skills Gap affects us all, and the reason it exists is not a great mystery. It's simply a reflection of what we value. And what we value in our workforce needs to change. If you share my addiction to paved roads, cheap food, affordable energy, and indoor plumbing, I hope you'll support that effort. As for actual endorsements though, enough already. I'm endorsing a PR Campaign for Hard Work and Skilled Labor. No matter who wins.

Agreed. 100%


So he endorses the guy infamous for sending skilled labor jobs overseas?
2012-10-01 06:07:51 PM  
1 votes:

Nadie_AZ: To sum up: the Skills Gap affects us all, and the reason it exists is not a great mystery. It's simply a reflection of what we value. And what we value in our workforce needs to change. If you share my addiction to paved roads, cheap food, affordable energy, and indoor plumbing, I hope you'll support that effort. As for actual endorsements though, enough already. I'm endorsing a PR Campaign for Hard Work and Skilled Labor. No matter who wins.

Agreed. 100%


yup.. He and Mike Holmes (canada) are 100% right about it. the modern world exists on the shoulders of skilled trades.. and we've been shiatting on the skilled trades for years.
2012-10-01 06:07:28 PM  
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Mike Rowe could vote for Hitler, or Goddess Moonpie Riverwater for all I care, he'd still be an awesome guy. A real man's man in a day of skinny-jeans wearing, hair over one eye, mincing marys.

I have a boring white collar job in data analysis. Would love to do something real...electrician, plumbing, fark, carpentry/furniture making would be a dream, but the little research I've done make it seems near impossible to get in to. Really, I'd love to get into the freelance furniture making. All the fun of carpentry with none of the bullshiat union politics.
2012-10-01 05:50:02 PM  
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TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: meat0918: Too late....

Can't google it at work, but Jenna Jameson got a bit of a backlash.

Jenna Jameson got backlash because her stance was stupid, given that Romney's official stance is that her industry needs to be eliminated wholesale.


She retired years ago, so her "fark you, I got mine" attitude is perfect for the Neocons.
2012-10-01 05:36:15 PM  
1 votes:
The take away from this story to me is, just because Obama may or not have been busy or able to see you, at least he didn't respond like you mattered and sucker you into some Party Rally under the guise of a small, productive round table.
2012-10-01 05:32:38 PM  
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highendmighty: Girion47: Marcus Aurelius: Two things not to discuss in polite company:
1. Politics
2. Religion

Add pro-sports to that list. farking hate being in a work environment and that shiat comes up, it completely kills productivity and bores the shiat out of me.

Funny how the mind works. I read your post, then transmogrified your user name to Gridiron47 for just a split second.


I will say the biatching about replacement refs was filling me with an evil glee.
2012-10-01 05:20:50 PM  
1 votes:
This whole scenario illustrates another major issue with our country - that people get their "news" from headlines and soundbites, and the fault falls equally on the media and the lazy public who consumes it.

Good on Mike Rowe for what he's doing. He certainly doesn't have to go out of his way to help people, and his message needs a greater dissemination.
2012-10-01 05:05:19 PM  
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Ladies and gentlemen, *there* is your candidate.
2012-10-01 04:52:56 PM  
1 votes:
Someone, for the love of God, please offer to redesign Mike's home page for free. It looks like Microsoft Bob.
2012-10-01 04:49:25 PM  
1 votes:
After I read white text on black background it screwed with my eyes coming back to Fark.

I think I saw Jesus
2012-10-01 04:48:35 PM  
1 votes:
that was an effective explination. poor mike, it sounds like he was blinded by passion and naive hope. his underlying point is good and hopefully he can keep putting it out there
2012-10-01 04:40:35 PM  
1 votes:
Man, I'd like to buy that guy a beer.
2012-10-01 04:35:33 PM  
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FirstNationalBastard: In before biatching about ZOMG MIKE ROWE SUPPOSRT RETHUGLIKKKANS I ALWAYSN THOUGHT DIRTY JOBS SUKED!!!11111

/One of the major problems in the country today is everyone feeling the need to drag politics into everything. I'm expecting to one day see a backlash against a porn star because they don't vote a certain way, which is why their cock isn't fully erect or their vagina is more cavernous than the usual.


Too late....

Can't google it at work, but Jenna Jameson got a bit of a backlash.

That said, Mike Rowe has a very good point.
 
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