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2012-10-01 08:12:25 PM  
Tried to get a plumber's apprenticeship this summer with the local plumber/pipefitter union.

Took the math skills test, did well. Had an interview the next day, did well.

Never got so much as a call back afterwards. So whenever I read these articles about a "skills gap", I'm more than a little skeptical.

/yeah, it's an anecdote, but still. Not like I live in BFE either, so the jobs should conceivably be there.
 
2012-10-01 08:30:25 PM  
Mike, the lesson is, never trust a politician when an election is on the line.
 
2012-10-01 08:30:49 PM  

Cletus C.: At first I was like who the fark is Mike Rowe?

Then I was like, oh, that Dirty Jobs guy, though I've never watched Dirty Jobs.

Then I was like, oh yeah, he appeared at an event with Romney.

Then I was like what is it with people who think reverse text on a black background is a good idea?

Then I was like, he's not getting to his point, I give up.

Then I was like, wow a lot of people here seem to really like the guy.

Then I was like, oh for cripe's sake, it's the dude with the hat from the Ford commercials. I hate that hat.

Then I was like, everyone should read my whole vacant-headed thought process on this.

True story, bro.



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2012-10-01 08:33:15 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: Onkel Buck: See libs here is a celebrity you can boycott

And unlike Chuck Norris, Jon Voight, and Victoria Jackson, he actually is a celebrity.


He seems more approachable, ya know someone you can have a beer with, that seems to be important to some people
 
2012-10-01 08:33:23 PM  

FirstNationalBastard: WTF Indeed: A few weeks ago, Governor Romney invited me to participate in a round table conversation with some local CEO's.

A classic case of hubris. Mike Rowe thought he was going to a real discussion on creating jobs because Mike Rowe thinks as a TV host he is an expert on creating jobs.

Well, he's more of an expert than anyone in Congress...


He has experienced performing more real jobs than anyone in Congress, certainly.

Mind you, I said "experienced performing", not "observed being performed", in particular from an elevated platform while being fed peeled grapes.
 
2012-10-01 08:33:40 PM  
So instead of endorsing him he instead got suckered into appearing to endorse him by participating at a Romney campaign event.

Rowe's smart, so he should have avoided this entire thing not just because of the perception, but because he ought to know Romney hasn't a fark to give about anything Rowe might have to say regarding labor.
 
2012-10-01 08:39:09 PM  

Nadie_AZ: To sum up: the Skills Gap affects us all, and the reason it exists is not a great mystery. It's simply a reflection of what we value. And what we value in our workforce needs to change. If you share my addiction to paved roads, cheap food, affordable energy, and indoor plumbing, I hope you'll support that effort. As for actual endorsements though, enough already. I'm endorsing a PR Campaign for Hard Work and Skilled Labor. No matter who wins.

Agreed. 100%


110%
 
2012-10-01 08:41:24 PM  

Devolving_Spud: Mike Rowe has been saying these things (that need to be said and heard) for a while:

Mike Rowe speaks to Congress

That link is a repeat from sometime in the last 2 or 3 years. I forget when I last saw it.

I work in a skilled profession, one that used to be respected. Trying to get young people who even want to learn what I do is difficult, and finding young people who aren't too thick-headed or distracted to learn is damn near impossible. And as soon as they realize there is some physical effort involved and it isn't a 9-to-5 job with weekends and holidays off, they run for the exits.


And you say you've got trouble hiring people? I'd pretend to laugh, but your sense of entitlement is too staggeringly ironic to find funny.
 
2012-10-01 08:43:13 PM  

Shrugging Atlas: So instead of endorsing him he instead got suckered into appearing to endorse him by participating at a Romney campaign event.

Rowe's smart, so he should have avoided this entire thing not just because of the perception, but because he ought to know Romney hasn't a fark to give about anything Rowe might have to say regarding labor.


way to not read the article. Romney stated beforehand to the crowd the issue. Rowe acknowledged this.

The fark democrats sure like to shoot first then aim.
 
2012-10-01 08:43:49 PM  

Shrugging Atlas: So instead of endorsing him he instead got suckered into appearing to endorse him by participating at a Romney campaign event.

Rowe's smart, so he should have avoided this entire thing not just because of the perception, but because he ought to know Romney hasn't a fark to give about anything Rowe might have to say regarding labor.


It looks to me like Rowe is a bit more in the Romney camp than the Obama one. He goes out of his way to say how accommodating Romney was. But maybe that's in hopes that Romney will give him some cred or money after the election, rather than because he believes in his principles or something. I doubt Mike Rowe is under the delusion that either "silver spoon" businessman Romney or "choom gang" lawyer Obama is an honest, hard-working tradesman.
 
2012-10-01 08:46:11 PM  
www.splicetoday.com

I think mike is less regretting being suckered into stumping for Romney than he is regretting getting waves of flack from his sponsors about taking a public side in the election and is now trying to dig his way out of the publicity hole. Still it was a safe choice politically. The working class tends to Vote republican regardless of how much it cost them in the long run, which is his primary viewership. I'm wondering what the GOP took back to make him renege on his endorsement.

You'r not actually buying this bullshiat hes feeding you are ya? Unless he shows up at a Obama event with a round table then he made his bed. Public endorsements also have consequences, he may have just killed his message permanently. Or maybe he should double down on Mitt and roll the dice. Maybe he will be made Dirty Worker Czar or something after the GoP pull out a win.
 
2012-10-01 08:47:52 PM  
Wow, my respect for Mike Rowe went up like 500%. Nothing to do with his politics but that he's indicated he's willing to work with anyone. Our country needs more of this.
 
2012-10-01 08:50:09 PM  

bdub77: Wow, my respect for Mike Rowe went up like 500%. Nothing to do with his politics but that he's indicated he's willing to work with anyone. Our country needs more of this.


Was going to write something like this but you did it for me.

I second it.
 
2012-10-01 08:52:16 PM  

Quigs: Devolving_Spud: Mike Rowe has been saying these things (that need to be said and heard) for a while:

Mike Rowe speaks to Congress

That link is a repeat from sometime in the last 2 or 3 years. I forget when I last saw it.

I work in a skilled profession, one that used to be respected. Trying to get young people who even want to learn what I do is difficult, and finding young people who aren't too thick-headed or distracted to learn is damn near impossible. And as soon as they realize there is some physical effort involved and it isn't a 9-to-5 job with weekends and holidays off, they run for the exits.

And you say you've got trouble hiring people? I'd pretend to laugh, but your sense of entitlement is too staggeringly ironic to find funny.


What are you trying to say that he has a sense of entitlement about? Are you sure you know wtf you're talking about here? From what I can tell he's not trying to say he's entitled to anything, he's just saying that there aren't a whole lot of people interested in a particular skilled trade. Where's the part where he says he's entitled to something?

I can see what he's saying with it. A number of skilled trades, especially the ones that require apprenticeships, require being on call, working holidays and/or weekends, and possibly extended travel, and a fair number of the younger generation joining the workforce don't want that.
 
2012-10-01 08:52:38 PM  

Devolving_Spud: Mike Rowe has been saying these things (that need to be said and heard) for a while:

Mike Rowe speaks to Congress

That link is a repeat from sometime in the last 2 or 3 years. I forget when I last saw it.

I work in a skilled profession, one that used to be respected. Trying to get young people who even want to learn what I do is difficult, and finding young people who aren't too thick-headed or distracted to learn is damn near impossible. And as soon as they realize there is some physical effort involved and it isn't a 9-to-5 job with weekends and holidays off, they run for the exits.


Yeah, people seem not to understand that work is... well... work. Colleges and Universities have sold us on this fiction that if we get their magic slip of paper, we will be able to get paid ridiculous amounts of money for sitting on our asses all day. Not only that, they ensure that when we go there it is to the exclusion of all other training. You can't go to college part-time and have a real job where you're learning a trade. That would just be ridiculous!

Then it comes time to go out into the real world, and we find that, at best, you've earned a slip of paper that 50,000 other people earned that year alone, and most of them probably got higher grades than you too. You might have a hope of getting one of those high-paying jobs... in 5 years. You'll have to spend the time before that working for crap pay at the bottom of the totem pole, hoping that you aren't fired and replaced the next year by some other fresh college grad who will hopefully toe the line better or who doesn't complain about unpaid overtime or who just agrees with more of the stuff the boss says.

I was almost that guy, although in my defense I'll say that I went for my Computer Science degree because that's what I'm really, really good at, not because it supposedly paid well. Then, the year before I graduated I got picked up as a Network Administrator at a local machine shop. When it came time to graduate I already had a job and experience. Sure, it was in a "lesser" field, but the difference is I wasn't in a 100-person reality show competition trying to get hired by IGT as a low-level code monkey.

I can't say I'm necessarily doing better - especially since I injured my back recently - but I do at least have more options than a lot of the people I graduated with in the current economy. I sure feel a lot more secure, since if nothing else I can just put up a notice at the local grocery store and start fixing people's crap-infested computers for $50 a pop.
 
2012-10-01 08:57:14 PM  
Auto body repairman for 20 years.

Exceptionally low stress environment.
Casual clothing. T-shirt and shorts.
Flexible hours. Nobody cares if you show up 45 minutes late or take a 1 and a 1/2 hour lunch.
No time clock.
Never have to speak with the customers. Unless you want to of course.
Wear headphones and listen to music or audiobooks all day.
Never take work home with you. Forget work the minute you walk out the door.
Usually leave work around 5:00
If I need more money on any given week I can stay and work as long as I like. I have the key to the place.
Every job is different and I can exercise my analytical side solving new problems week to week.
The work is sufficiently artistic to keep my creative side entertained.
100k + benefits.

I love my job.
 
2012-10-01 08:58:18 PM  
Good to see Fark is still filled to the brim with partisan farkwits who only care about seeing their team score points.
 
2012-10-01 08:58:59 PM  

Vegan Meat Popsicle: Is there actually a lack of work for skilled tradesmen? I find that somewhat hard to believe. Or is the point of that article that people just aren't filling the available jobs? That I could definitely believe.

Anyway, I find this particular attitude irritating:

Our country is fundamentally disconnected from hard work...

No, Mr. Rowe. Because a part of my job involves using my brain doesn't mean I don't work hard. Yes, I do some modicum of light labor. I lift servers, I fiddle with small tools and climb ladders and pull cables and this often leaves me disheveled and sweaty and disgusting. But the majority of my work is at a desk using my brain. I find it annoying when people imply, intentionally or not, that this isn't "hard work". I think of it in terms of a mechanic. A mechanic's job is not purely a matter of muscle. He gets dirty and fiddles with tools, but a truly quality mechanic isn't defined by his physical effort. That's just him putting his ideas to work. He uses his brain and solves problems. There are people who don't really do work and just sort of sit around collecting paychecks, but that's not really a terribly new problem and to suggest that people whose primary function is to think aren't working hard is insulting and stupid.


So. Much. This.
 
2012-10-01 08:59:32 PM  

HellRaisingHoosier: Ok, so quick questions:

Are there skilled labor jobs available? Yes.
Is the pay pretty good? Depends.
Are there "plumber/electrician/brick-layer schools"? Yes.
How much does training cost in money and time? Don't know.

 
2012-10-01 09:03:01 PM  

rickycal78: Quigs: Devolving_Spud: Mike Rowe has been saying these things (that need to be said and heard) for a while:

Mike Rowe speaks to Congress

That link is a repeat from sometime in the last 2 or 3 years. I forget when I last saw it.

I work in a skilled profession, one that used to be respected. Trying to get young people who even want to learn what I do is difficult, and finding young people who aren't too thick-headed or distracted to learn is damn near impossible. And as soon as they realize there is some physical effort involved and it isn't a 9-to-5 job with weekends and holidays off, they run for the exits.

And you say you've got trouble hiring people? I'd pretend to laugh, but your sense of entitlement is too staggeringly ironic to find funny.

What are you trying to say that he has a sense of entitlement about? Are you sure you know wtf you're talking about here? From what I can tell he's not trying to say he's entitled to anything, he's just saying that there aren't a whole lot of people interested in a particular skilled trade. Where's the part where he says he's entitled to something?

I can see what he's saying with it. A number of skilled trades, especially the ones that require apprenticeships, require being on call, working holidays and/or weekends, and possibly extended travel, and a fair number of the younger generation joining the workforce don't want that.


Well, let's break down his bullshiat.

Trying to get young people who even want to learn what I do is difficult,

Let's assume he's a plumber who sucks poop out of pipes with a straw. I'll take his first statement to be truth.

finding young people who aren't too thick-headed or distracted to learn is damn near impossible.

So he finds young people, who tend to be the most malleable and eager to please folk, to be thick headed and too distracted to learn. I'll agree that the incoming text-generation is annoying, but there's certainly a fair bit of projection going on there. There's a reason intelligent people like Henry Rollins universally love young people.

as soon as they realize there is some physical effort involved and it isn't a 9-to-5 job with weekends and holidays off, they run for the exits.

Realistic translation : Any young person smart enough to learn and get involved in the trades is also smart enough to not get their entire life taken over by an egotistic farkwit who wants to pay them peanuts.
 
2012-10-01 09:03:49 PM  
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//On my car...
 
2012-10-01 09:04:00 PM  

yukichigai: Colleges and Universities have sold us on this fiction that if we get their magic slip of paper, we will be able to get paid ridiculous amounts of money for sitting on our asses all day.


Depending on the school and what that "slip of paper says" it isn't fiction.
 
2012-10-01 09:05:04 PM  

orclover: [www.splicetoday.com image 420x284]

I think mike is less regretting being suckered into stumping for Romney than he is regretting getting waves of flack from his sponsors about taking a public side in the election and is now trying to dig his way out of the publicity hole. Still it was a safe choice politically. The working class tends to Vote republican regardless of how much it cost them in the long run, which is his primary viewership. I'm wondering what the GOP took back to make him renege on his endorsement.

You'r not actually buying this bullshiat hes feeding you are ya? Unless he shows up at a Obama event with a round table then he made his bed. Public endorsements also have consequences, he may have just killed his message permanently. Or maybe he should double down on Mitt and roll the dice. Maybe he will be made Dirty Worker Czar or something after the GoP pull out a win.


FTFA, you mouth-breathing cretin:

Some people are disappointed with me because I wasn't standing next to President Obama when I made my remarks. Perhaps they are under the impression that I can just call The White House and book myself an appearance whenever it suits me.

This is the leader of the goddamn free world, not the town mayor. He might just have a few other people wanting to have a talk with him too.
 
2012-10-01 09:05:20 PM  

F-14Tomcat: Auto body repairman for 20 years.

Exceptionally low stress environment.
Casual clothing. T-shirt and shorts.
Flexible hours. Nobody cares if you show up 45 minutes late or take a 1 and a 1/2 hour lunch.
No time clock.
Never have to speak with the customers. Unless you want to of course.
Wear headphones and listen to music or audiobooks all day.
Never take work home with you. Forget work the minute you walk out the door.
Usually leave work around 5:00
If I need more money on any given week I can stay and work as long as I like. I have the key to the place.
Every job is different and I can exercise my analytical side solving new problems week to week.
The work is sufficiently artistic to keep my creative side entertained.
100k + benefits.

I love my job.


Oddly enough, I've found auto mechanics to be some of the wisest and nicest tradesman around.
 
2012-10-01 09:05:59 PM  
I always have a hard time believing that someone I see as inherently good and working in some way to help their fellow man can be a republican. The only republicans I have ever encountered who meet that criteria spend at least 20 minutes apologizing for the majority of the republican party right after they tell me. It's mostly older people who believe in the ideals of a republican party that no longer exists. They have such affinity for what the party once was that it impairs their ability to fully realize what it has become.
 
2012-10-01 09:09:43 PM  

BoxOfBees: Shrugging Atlas: So instead of endorsing him he instead got suckered into appearing to endorse him by participating at a Romney campaign event.

Rowe's smart, so he should have avoided this entire thing not just because of the perception, but because he ought to know Romney hasn't a fark to give about anything Rowe might have to say regarding labor.

It looks to me like Rowe is a bit more in the Romney camp than the Obama one. He goes out of his way to say how accommodating Romney was. But maybe that's in hopes that Romney will give him some cred or money after the election, rather than because he believes in his principles or something. I doubt Mike Rowe is under the delusion that either "silver spoon" businessman Romney or "choom gang" lawyer Obama is an honest, hard-working tradesman.


Nah, it seems more like he's just a naive actor-type, ignorant of how politics works, like most of us. He probably really thought "Cool, a chance to talk to politicians about what people need to get work in this country!" Not his fault that he had no clue; most people don't. He's an actor, not a Farker.
 
2012-10-01 09:09:53 PM  

liam76: yukichigai: Colleges and Universities have sold us on this fiction that if we get their magic slip of paper, we will be able to get paid ridiculous amounts of money for sitting on our asses all day.

Depending on the school and what that "slip of paper says" it isn't fiction.


Well yeah, but EVERY SCHOOL says that about EVERY DEGREE PATH.

It's more like the Higher Education system is selling us lottery tickets and promising that every single one is a winner. Oh, and saying that there's no other way to win anything ever except by buying those lottery tickets.
 
2012-10-01 09:11:47 PM  

yukichigai: liam76: yukichigai: Colleges and Universities have sold us on this fiction that if we get their magic slip of paper, we will be able to get paid ridiculous amounts of money for sitting on our asses all day.

Depending on the school and what that "slip of paper says" it isn't fiction.

Well yeah, but EVERY SCHOOL says that about EVERY DEGREE PATH.

The fiction that they're pushing is more like the Higher Education system is selling us lottery tickets and promising that every single one is a winner. Oh, and saying that there's no other way to win anything ever except by buying those lottery tickets.


FTFM
 
2012-10-01 09:12:03 PM  
A friend of mine since Grade 4 had his father train him in heating and furances. It's his profession, allegedly he's pretty good at it. (He's now 28. so nearly 20 years related experience)

However, whenever I ask him about hiring someone else to help him because he probably could get more work done after a couple weeks, he laughs and replies:
"Why the hell should I pay or help anyone until what they are doing is actually making me money?"

So in his mindset, it's not in his best interest to offer any training or anything, and definately not pay them a dime. It's just a curious example of someone who does a neccesary trade (We're in Canada, it gets cold) but has no interest in expanding the trade. If other tradesmen have that similar mindset, that doesn't help expand the trade pool.

Although, if we had an excess of plumbers and other labour, maybe it wouldn't cost 900 bucks for a single call or 7k for a job and they don't want the lowered cost of competition..
 
2012-10-01 09:14:35 PM  
I agree with Mike completely but with a few caveats.

Skilled labor is a big thing in my family, my uncle is a guy who opened his own gas station at 22, a few years later went and became an electrician. He built his business on his back and into a pretty respectful powerhouse regional provider. Then the next bigger person up the food chain came in and handed him a giant mound of money for his business and his clients. Not only that but they kept him on for a 6 figure salary just to consult.

The problem I am seeing, especially here in TX, is that your skilled labor is all becoming illegals or people of questionable citizenship. Their skills are decent, granted not nearly as good as they should be, but they are taking over all the jobs and lowering the wages for skilled labor. They are bringing the prices and the skill down all because they are easy to get and to throw into those roles. I would be interested in Mike Rowe addressing this issue and why it is hurting people going into skilled labor jobs. I am all for people making money and I applaud those people for taking the jobs that others would not but this is the other side of the coin I think Mike and others are not addressing.
 
2012-10-01 09:16:17 PM  
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2012-10-01 09:16:58 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: Two things not to discuss in polite company:
1. Politics
2. Religion


So what's left? Gossip? fark that. There has to be a time to talk about politics. No wonder no one understands the other party. You're all busy listening to echo chambers because politness.
 
2012-10-01 09:17:15 PM  

Quigs: Well, let's break down his bullshiat.

Trying to get young people who even want to learn what I do is difficult,

Let's assume he's a plumber who sucks poop out of pipes with a straw. I'll take his first statement to be truth.

finding young people who aren't too thick-headed or distracted to learn is damn near impossible.

So he finds young people, who tend to be the most malleable and eager to please folk, to be thick headed and too distracted to learn. I'll agree that the incoming text-generation is annoying, but there's certainly a fair bit of projection going on there. There's a reason intelligent people like Henry Rollins universally love young people.

as soon as they realize there is some physical effort involved and it isn't a 9-to-5 job with weekends and holidays off, they run for the exits.

Realistic translation : Any young person smart enough to learn and get involved in the trades is also smart enough to not get their entire life taken over by an egotistic farkwit who wants to pay them peanuts.



We'll go with the plumbing example you started.
Point 1 we agree on.

Point 2
Malleable and easy to please? What kind of teens and young 20 somethings have you been hanging out with? Now I know the plural of anecdote isn't data, but most of the younger folks I've met tend to be bullheaded and certain that they know all they need to know and no one can tell them otherwise.

Point 3
Your translation makes no sense. What does a young person who doesn't want to work weekends, holidays, overtime, etc have anything to do with "Having their life taken over by an egotistical farkwit who wants to pay them peanuts"? First off, going by the plumbing example even apprentice plumbers make some ok money, and as you go along and gain experience and get to journeyman, master and so forth you start to get paid pretty good money. It's like any other job, you start small and get paid more as you gain experience and more skills. The downside is that you can end up on call, working on a weekend, or late at night or on holidays, but that's why the pay gets to be higher.
 
2012-10-01 09:22:27 PM  

rickycal78: Quigs: Well, let's break down his bullshiat.

Trying to get young people who even want to learn what I do is difficult,

Let's assume he's a plumber who sucks poop out of pipes with a straw. I'll take his first statement to be truth.

finding young people who aren't too thick-headed or distracted to learn is damn near impossible.

So he finds young people, who tend to be the most malleable and eager to please folk, to be thick headed and too distracted to learn. I'll agree that the incoming text-generation is annoying, but there's certainly a fair bit of projection going on there. There's a reason intelligent people like Henry Rollins universally love young people.

as soon as they realize there is some physical effort involved and it isn't a 9-to-5 job with weekends and holidays off, they run for the exits.

Realistic translation : Any young person smart enough to learn and get involved in the trades is also smart enough to not get their entire life taken over by an egotistic farkwit who wants to pay them peanuts.


We'll go with the plumbing example you started.
Point 1 we agree on.

Point 2
Malleable and easy to please? What kind of teens and young 20 somethings have you been hanging out with? Now I know the plural of anecdote isn't data, but most of the younger folks I've met tend to be bullheaded and certain that they know all they need to know and no one can tell them otherwise.

Point 3
Your translation makes no sense. What does a young person who doesn't want to work weekends, holidays, overtime, etc have anything to do with "Having their life taken over by an egotistical farkwit who wants to pay them peanuts"? First off, going by the plumbing example even apprentice plumbers make some ok money, and as you go along and gain experience and get to journeyman, master and so forth you start to get paid pretty good money. It's like any other job, you start small and get paid more as you gain experience and more skills. The downside is that you can end up on call, ...


I also forgot to ask again, how does any of what you posted above show the poster you quoted earlier as having a sense of entitlement and what are you saying they feel entitled to? Your post didn't cover that at all.
 
2012-10-01 09:31:24 PM  
rickycal78:
Point 2
Malleable and easy to please? What kind of teens and young 20 somethings have you been hanging out with? Now I know the plural of anecdote isn't data, but most of the younger folks I've met tend to be bullheaded and certain that they know all they need to know and no one can tell them otherwise.


I'd wager that the amount of young folks who have a sense of entitlement and superiority of themselves are equal to, if not outnumbered by, the number of middle-aged folks looking for work looking to learn a new trade. There's no numbers, though, you're right. Just biased personal opinions.

Point 3
Your translation makes no sense. What does a young person who doesn't want to work weekends, holidays, overtime, etc have anything to do with "Having their life taken over by an egotistical farkwit who wants to pay them peanuts"? First off, going by the plumbing example even apprentice plumbers make some ok money, and as you go along and gain experience and get to journeyman, master and so forth you start to get paid pretty good money. It's like any other job, you start small and get paid more as you gain experience and more skills. The downside is that you can end up on call, ...


What I've seen has mainly been that you're expected to be on call all week, yet only paid a small hourly rate for time on job. That means the Saturday night emergency call where the owner is making 500 an hour, Joe Apprentice is expected to piss the prime hours of his life for 200 a week. These are the people who can't get folks to stay on. It's the folks who pay a fair wage and train that don't have problems finding people or keeping them.

It's seriously a small-scale industrialist attitude, and that's something America needs.
 
2012-10-01 09:32:02 PM  
If we need more skilled labor, I wonder how productive it would be to try to get more women in those jobs. Most of these professions are ridiculously male dominated -- to a far greater degree than professions like "science teacher" or "medical doctor" or any of those other jobs where you're used to hearing all of the fretting over gender imbalance.
 
2012-10-01 09:34:32 PM  

cretinbob: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Hey, Mike? If you're onstage with Mitt Romney at a Mitt Romney rally and the first words out of your mouth aren't, "Mitt Romney is a lying sack of sh*t who got me up here under false pretenses" you really can't blame the press or anyone but yourself for people seeing it as an endorsement.

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Because he had a more important message, and it seems like that's what he was there to do. Seems like he got shang haied and used as a tool and he seems to realize it. My first thoughts when this story broke was how much did they pay him, because I couldn't see him doing this because he thought it was a good idea. He's much smarter than that.
I haven't heard him, certainly not in the video I saw, endorse Rmoney.
I can see him voting Republican though.



He's no doubt a millionaire and all millionaires SHOULD vote for Rmoney. If his plans are adopted Rowe pays less in taxes, much less.
 
2012-10-01 09:43:16 PM  

Quigs: What I've seen has mainly been that you're expected to be on call all week, yet only paid a small hourly rate for time on job. That means the Saturday night emergency call where the owner is making 500 an hour, Joe Apprentice is expected to piss the prime hours of his life for 200 a week. These are the people who can't get folks to stay on. It's the folks who pay a fair wage and train that don't have problems finding people or keeping them.

It's seriously a small-scale industrialist attitude, and that's something America needs.


While Joe Apprentice may be making less to start out with(200 a week? really?), the expectation is that if he sticks with it they can become a master plumber and make more money as well as not be on call as often (that's what journeyman and apprentices are for.) This is or at least was, normal job progression. The problem IMO is that many of the younger generation don't want to deal with the more difficult earlier aspects of skilled trades like plumbing to get the benefits of the senior ranks. Granted this is just my observation, but I'm pretty sure that's the point he was trying to get across.
 
2012-10-01 09:44:35 PM  
FTA: To close the gap, we need to first change perceptions about the definition of a "good job." It's simply unrealistic to expect our kids to get excited about careers that society disparages as "dumb, dirty, or dangerous." We have to remove the stigmas and stereotypes associated with skilled labor, and stop portraying legitimate opportunities as some sort of "vocational consolation prize." That means letting go of the absurd belief that a four-year degree is the only sensible way to acquire useful knowledge and have a good career. In other words, we need a PR Campaign for Skilled Labor, not just for the benefit of skilled workers, but for the benefit of people who rely on their work... meaning all of us. What could be more bi-partisan?

Those jobs are viewed as crappy because they pay like crap and to work them for more than twenty years won't get you to a point where you could hope to retire, not because they've been socially stigmatized. A PR campaign won't change that.
 
2012-10-01 09:49:58 PM  
Mike Rowe was doing a radio interview tour last week, and the hosts asked him if he was a Romney supporter. Rowe would not commit one way or the other.

/if he's a Romney supporter he's doing it wrong.
 
2012-10-01 09:54:25 PM  

Befuddled: Those jobs are viewed as crappy because they pay like crap and to work them for more than twenty years won't get you to a point where you could hope to retire, not because they've been socially stigmatized. A PR campaign won't change that.


Pay like crap?

A heavy equipment mechanic with 3 years of experience and no formal education beyond an 8 week trade school makes upwards of $25 an hour.....

There is money to be had in the skilled trades. There is a LOT of room between "fry cook" and "brain surgeon."
 
2012-10-01 09:55:20 PM  

chuggernaught: Mike Rowe was doing a radio interview tour last week, and the hosts asked him if he was a Romney supporter. Rowe would not commit one way or the other.

/if he's a Romney supporter he's doing it wrong.


Unable to commit? I'd say to be a Romne supporter he's doing it exactly right....
 
2012-10-01 10:02:16 PM  

rickycal78: Quigs: What I've seen has mainly been that you're expected to be on call all week, yet only paid a small hourly rate for time on job. That means the Saturday night emergency call where the owner is making 500 an hour, Joe Apprentice is expected to piss the prime hours of his life for 200 a week. These are the people who can't get folks to stay on. It's the folks who pay a fair wage and train that don't have problems finding people or keeping them.

It's seriously a small-scale industrialist attitude, and that's something America needs.

While Joe Apprentice may be making less to start out with(200 a week? really?), the expectation is that if he sticks with it they can become a master plumber and make more money as well as not be on call as often (that's what journeyman and apprentices are for.) This is or at least was, normal job progression. The problem IMO is that many of the younger generation don't want to deal with the more difficult earlier aspects of skilled trades like plumbing to get the benefits of the senior ranks. Granted this is just my observation, but I'm pretty sure that's the point he was trying to get across.


I'm assuming, based on observance, that people who can't get people to stay on tend to pay folks in very limited amounts. 10 an hour, and only the 20 or so hours that they're on the job, as opposed to paying them full 8's, regardless of jobs lined up that day. We're both going off observance, and I tend to think we're on the same page here, just seeing things a shade differently. You offer young folks an honest wage and a decent shot at improving that in the future, I think most will take it. There's no shortage of young folks looking for jobs better then fast-food, which leads me to believe the OP's lack of success is based on his own personality, and not that of the labor pool as a whole.
 
2012-10-01 10:07:19 PM  

Befuddled: FTA: To close the gap, we need to first change perceptions about the definition of a "good job." It's simply unrealistic to expect our kids to get excited about careers that society disparages as "dumb, dirty, or dangerous." We have to remove the stigmas and stereotypes associated with skilled labor, and stop portraying legitimate opportunities as some sort of "vocational consolation prize." That means letting go of the absurd belief that a four-year degree is the only sensible way to acquire useful knowledge and have a good career. In other words, we need a PR Campaign for Skilled Labor, not just for the benefit of skilled workers, but for the benefit of people who rely on their work... meaning all of us. What could be more bi-partisan?

Those jobs are viewed as crappy because they pay like crap and to work them for more than twenty years won't get you to a point where you could hope to retire, not because they've been socially stigmatized. A PR campaign won't change that.



Maybe in some instances you MIGHT be correct, but I highly doubt it. In my trade it will take me about 7-8 more years (depending on how much I decide to work) to make 10k a month (after taxes) AND have a pension. Let me repeat that, a PENSION, not a shiatbird 401k, but a PENSION. But let me clarify, I already have a pension but I'm only making 4k-6k a month right now. Find me any desk job where you still get a pension instead of the scam that is a 401k. Sounds like the PR campaign sure worked on you if you believe that nonsense about being paid crappy and not having something to retire on.
 
2012-10-01 10:07:48 PM  

dougermouse: Why desk and business jobs? Those are taxed at a rate LOWER than hard work. You want to make hard work attractive? Tax capital gains at 50% and honest to goodness hard work at a lower rate.
But that won't happen.


Doesn't matter what you do your income on a W2 is taxed the same. Capital gains is something entirely different and you can have it working in the skilled trades as well.

If you look at history than lowering the capital gains tax rate increases revenue and raising the rate decreases revenue. Why? Unlike a W2 a person can not take the income. Lower tax rates mean more people take the money as income and a bigger pool to tax, if the tax rate is higher than people leave the money invested and it isn't taxed at all.

How about rather than schools trying to sell that everyone should go to college they actually present other options, like going into a trade. There are plenty of career paths out there that don't require a college education.
 
2012-10-01 10:10:28 PM  

Regrets: Sounds like the PR campaign sure worked on you if you believe that nonsense about being paid crappy and not having something to retire on.


It's the same ultra-capitalist anti-labor rhetoric that has destroyed the unions, and people have bought into it.

And now the same people that have fed us that slop are trying to convince us that they've got the solution, and it's more of the same.
 
2012-10-01 10:11:01 PM  

NIXON YOU DOLT!!!!!: chuggernaught: Mike Rowe was doing a radio interview tour last week, and the hosts asked him if he was a Romney supporter. Rowe would not commit one way or the other.

/if he's a Romney supporter he's doing it wrong.

Unable to commit? I'd say to be a Romne supporter he's doing it exactly right....


He's a Romney supporter who wants to still have a acting job after the election is over. He's not an idiot, and he now realizes he is in way over his head.


yukichigai: orclover: [www.splicetoday.com image 420x284]

I think mike is less regretting being suckered into stumping for Romney than he is regretting getting waves of flack from his sponsors about taking a public side in the election and is now trying to dig his way out of the publicity hole. Still it was a safe choice politically. The working class tends to Vote republican regardless of how much it cost them in the long run, which is his primary viewership. I'm wondering what the GOP took back to make him renege on his endorsement.

You'r not actually buying this bullshiat hes feeding you are ya? Unless he shows up at a Obama event with a round table then he made his bed. Public endorsements also have consequences, he may have just killed his message permanently. Or maybe he should double down on Mitt and roll the dice. Maybe he will be made Dirty Worker Czar or something after the GoP pull out a win.

FTFA, you mouth-breathing cretin:

Some people are disappointed with me because I wasn't standing next to President Obama when I made my remarks. Perhaps they are under the impression that I can just call The White House and book myself an appearance whenever it suits me.

This is the leader of the goddamn free world, not the town mayor. He might just have a few other people wanting to have a talk with him too.


He's already been shown stumping for Romney and trying to get out of it. At this point if Mike wanted a private or public sit down with the POTUS all he would have to do is answer his phone. The fact that he is actively avoiding the Obama camp to even do a quick meet and greet just to balance out the scales shows how far his support of Romney goes. Hey I dont blame him for trying to get into politics, its good money. But Mike chickened the fark out and is now trying to act like a neutral party when he's already waded into the cesspool. I've lost all respect for the man (which was a considerable amount) now, he got his feet and is now trying to run away from politics now that its obvious he is going to take some political hits after throwing his hefty blue caller viewership behind a candidate. He wants to have his cake and eat it too. Politics does not work that way kids. He should have just stood by Romney like he started too and then had been ready for his show to move to Fox News at a pay cut when the election was over.

He took the cowards way out.
 
2012-10-01 10:13:20 PM  

Mrbogey: Shrugging Atlas: So instead of endorsing him he instead got suckered into appearing to endorse him by participating at a Romney campaign event.

Rowe's smart, so he should have avoided this entire thing not just because of the perception, but because he ought to know Romney hasn't a fark to give about anything Rowe might have to say regarding labor.

way to not read the article. Romney stated beforehand to the crowd the issue. Rowe acknowledged this.

The fark democrats sure like to shoot first then aim.


Christ you're an uncommonly stupid one.

What did you not understand about my comment:

he should have avoided this entire thing not just because of the perception

and Rowe's:

As I made my way to the stage, that which was obvious to everyone else finally became apparent to me. This was a campaign rally. Super awkward.

What Romney said before hand does not matter because of the perception. Look the word up and I think you'll better understand my point.

Romney knew what he was doing, Rowe did not. Think that picture of Rowe on stage speaking with the massive campaign sign in the background stating "We can't afford four more years" and Romney's website address was taken by some random jackass in the crowd?

Romney's disclaimer about Rowe's appearance at, participation in, and speaking during a Romney campaign rally means fark all because when you do all of those things, you're going to be perceived as supporting the candidate in some way, even if it's not some formal endorsement. I doubt you'll see Clooney at a Romney campaign rally to discuss the Sudan, or Jon Voight and an Obama event to discuss whatever the fark he cares about for that very same reason.

So again, Rowe was a dumbass because he failed (if we take him for his word, which I do) to understand how participating in a campaign rally would be perceived.
 
2012-10-01 10:14:31 PM  
Never heard of him. Should I have?
 
2012-10-01 10:15:27 PM  

Bucky Katt: Never heard of him. Should I have?


You're cool.

/no, really.
 
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