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(CBS Sports)   The AL MVP discussion is starting to mirror American political discourse, with angry old traditionalists on the side of Miguel Cabrera and relativist hipster douchebags on the side of Mike Trout. Both sides are bad, so vote for Adrian Beltre   (cbssports.com) divider line 9
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2012-10-02 12:44:02 AM
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WhyteRaven74: DeWayne Mann: And yet, in those 136 game, Trout has provided more value than Cabrera.

hard to provide value when you're not even in the lineup...


I agree.

And yet, in 136 games, Trout has provided more value than Cabrera has in 158.
2012-10-02 12:26:38 AM
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davidt: And yes I know that he's actually been better than most people thought he'd be at third.

Miggy carried a team where the 2nd best pitcher had 228 Ks.

Trout carried a team where the 2nd best pitcher had an WHIP of gasoline (1.56) post all-star break.


Your picture of Jhonny Peralta ranging left and missing a ground ball is proof Mike Trout deserves to win the MVP.

Q.E.D.
2012-10-01 11:15:03 PM
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DeWayne,

Do you masturbate to Moneyball and pictures or Bill Simmons?
2012-10-01 10:13:14 PM
1 votes:
Anyone watching FSD. This conversation is relevant to this thread.

I'm laughing uncontrollably.
2012-10-01 10:10:39 PM
1 votes:
This thread is fascinating.

Oh, by the way, the Astros are getting new uniforms for next year. So, that's pretty cool.
2012-10-01 10:07:40 PM
1 votes:

DeWayne Mann: Yeah?


And your point...

They are tied in OPS+. So, ignoring every category that Miggy is leading in, they are tied in one category and Mike Trout is leading in the ones that I care about...so give Mike Trout the MVP.

That's a pretty cool argument.
2012-10-01 10:05:40 PM
1 votes:
Holy hell....it's like Bill James and Jonah Hill's character from moneyball had a kid. And he's posting in this thread.
2012-10-01 10:00:28 PM
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great_tigers: DeWayne Mann: ignatius_crumbcake: Trout is not a better hitter. That's the pro-Cabby argument.

No, Trout probably is the better hitter. If not, it's awfully close.



Miggy, 24 more hits, 15 more doubles, 13 more home runs, 56 more RBI's .004 better average, better slg and OPS

Trout, 19 more runs, 7 more triples, 44 more stolen bases, one more walk slightly higher OBP.

Miggy - 388 total bases
Trout - 304 total bases if my math is correct. Add in his stolen bases and he still isn't there.


56 more RBI's mother.

Lets give Trout the MVP because numbers can be twisted between playing in Petco, Coors and the Trop and defensive STWERFAWAR is better. Plus he has 44 more steals than Cabby.


STEALS ARE THE MOST IMPORTANT THING EVER! ALSO, FANCY CATCHES!
Q-BERRY FOR MVP!
2012-10-01 09:02:43 PM
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WAR is everything. You just KNOW Peavy, Kuroda and Sale are better than Weaver, Gonzalez, and Strasburg. That's a given. And I know everyone would rather have David Wright over Miguel Cabrera or who wouldn't take Ben Zobrist or Chase Headley over Josh Hamilton or Joey Votto? It's a foolproof stat that is the be all end all of baseball, get used to it. Also Verlander is default Cy Young by WAR.
 
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