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(CBS Sports)   The AL MVP discussion is starting to mirror American political discourse, with angry old traditionalists on the side of Miguel Cabrera and relativist hipster douchebags on the side of Mike Trout. Both sides are bad, so vote for Adrian Beltre   (cbssports.com) divider line 456
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2012-10-01 11:23:23 PM  

bulldg4life: DeWayne Mann: You don't want your team to have a player who never makes an out? SERIOUSLY?

Someone that freaking walks all the time? Are you kidding me?

That's not offensive freaking skill. That's stupid pitchers and being able to foul balls off if needed.


That's a tremendous skill and it's why so many teams are preaching patience at the plate now. You are seriously undervaluing the ability to avoid making an out. Putting runners on base is never a bad thing (unless you're the 2012 Yankees).
 
2012-10-01 11:23:43 PM  

DeWayne Mann: Wait

great_tigers: Do you masturbate to Moneyball and pictures or Bill Simmons?

...Bill Simmons? You don't even know who you're railing against!


Bill Simmons is an ass clown that does ESPN podcasts. Conceptually thought of as one of ESPN's most popular journalist and one of the first to bring sabermetrics to the forefront as a part of the media.
 
2012-10-01 11:25:03 PM  

DeWayne Mann: Nehllah: Here's the thing. In the real world, the people with the best stats don't always win.

Did I say otherwise?


You did kind of suggest, for the last THREE HOURS, that stats are more important than real world results.



On a related note, Tigers people, EIP. Let's get wasted!
 
2012-10-01 11:25:21 PM  

bulldg4life: DeWayne Mann: You don't want your team to have a player who never makes an out? SERIOUSLY?

Someone that freaking walks all the time? Are you kidding me?

That's not offensive freaking skill. That's stupid pitchers and being able to foul balls off if needed.


Hey, question I want you to think about & answer (and, yes, there is a correct answer).

Let's say you had 9 guys who walk every time up. How many runs would that team score in a typical inning?
 
2012-10-01 11:25:54 PM  

great_tigers: DeWayne Mann: Wait

great_tigers: Do you masturbate to Moneyball and pictures or Bill Simmons?

...Bill Simmons? You don't even know who you're railing against!

Bill Simmons is an ass clown that does ESPN podcasts. Conceptually thought of as one of ESPN's most popular journalist and one of the first to bring sabermetrics to the forefront as a part of the media.


In my mind this is about to get AMAZING.
 
2012-10-01 11:26:18 PM  

great_tigers: DeWayne Mann: Wait

great_tigers: Do you masturbate to Moneyball and pictures or Bill Simmons?

...Bill Simmons? You don't even know who you're railing against!

Bill Simmons is an ass clown that does ESPN podcasts. Conceptually thought of as one of ESPN's most popular journalist and one of the first to bring sabermetrics to the forefront as a part of the media.


That's just completely false. Rob Neyer is probably most responsible for that in regard to ESPN. Simmons didn't buy into sabermetrics until maybe a couple years ago, and that might've been because Neyer needled him endlessly about it.
 
2012-10-01 11:27:27 PM  

bulldg4life: DeWayne Mann: You don't want your team to have a player who never makes an out? SERIOUSLY?

Someone that freaking walks all the time? Are you kidding me?

That's not offensive freaking skill. That's stupid pitchers and being able to foul balls off if needed.


Walking in every single PA is not an offensive skill? Having an ungodly ability to read pitches and feel the strike zone is not an offensive skill? Being able to foul off anything and everything, from 62-mph curves to 102-mph fastballs, is not an offensive skill? Are you high? Even without ever recording a hit, this hypothetical walk monster would deserve consideration for the all-time greatest batsman of all time!

/Old Hoss Radbourn approves of my use of the term "batsman"
 
2012-10-01 11:28:09 PM  
 
2012-10-01 11:29:48 PM  

WhyteRaven74: ignatius_crumbcake: A player that walked every single time at bat would be an amazing offensive force

Not if the hitters who come up behind them aren't good. Unless you happen to have someone like Ricky Henderson who can and will get himself from first to second reliably without a hitter doing anything. Don't see many runners get from first to home on singles, takes a double to do it. Do however see a good number of runners get from second to home on long singles, and Henderson considered any single a long single. But these days no manager gives any player the freedom Henderson had to just go at will. Interestingly Henderson has the career record for runs.



Well, it helps that Henderson also played mostly on great teams, either because great teams traded for him or highly coveted him in free agency. But take Vince Coleman, who was probably faster than Henderson. If he had nearly the ability to get on base as Coleman had, we'd be talking about another elite leadoff hitter. But the key to Henderson is that he had both the best on-base ability of anyone in the league, AND he could swipe extra bases.
 
2012-10-01 11:29:48 PM  

WhyteRaven74: Not if the hitters who come up behind them aren't good.


So a player's value depends solely on his teammates? Does Albert Pujols on the Yankees have significantly more value than Albert Pujols on the Astros?

great_tigers: one of the first to bring sabermetrics to the forefront as a part of the media.


Maybe if you only listen to ESPN, but even then, he was a fairly late adopter there. He didn't start using sabermetrics until 2010. That's 4 years after Keith Law was hired.
 
2012-10-01 11:29:52 PM  

nein: great_tigers: DeWayne Mann: Wait

great_tigers: Do you masturbate to Moneyball and pictures or Bill Simmons?

...Bill Simmons? You don't even know who you're railing against!

Bill Simmons is an ass clown that does ESPN podcasts. Conceptually thought of as one of ESPN's most popular journalist and one of the first to bring sabermetrics to the forefront as a part of the media.

That's just completely false. Rob Neyer is probably most responsible for that in regard to ESPN. Simmons didn't buy into sabermetrics until maybe a couple years ago, and that might've been because Neyer needled him endlessly about it.


Sorry, I think you missed the whole popular part. I have never heard a pod cast by Neyer. I have heard one from Bill Simmons though.

Or are you going to try to show me through sabermetrics that Neyer is a better writer than Simmons...
 
2012-10-01 11:30:57 PM  

nein: Rob Neyer is probably most responsible for that in regard to ESPN.


Jesus I didn't even think of Neyer.
 
2012-10-01 11:31:58 PM  

great_tigers: Sorry, I think you missed the whole popular part. I have never heard a pod cast by Neyer. I have heard one from Bill Simmons though.


So, your closed mindedness means you're right? NEAT!
 
2012-10-01 11:33:09 PM  
DeWayne Mann, at least admit that the Sabermatrician's wet dream of a team would be boring as hell to watch. Chicks (and sportswriters) dig the long ball, man.
 
2012-10-01 11:33:09 PM  

tenton: But besides that, would you consider that sort of hitter to be so useless as their .000 batting average would dictate them to be? On par with someone who struck out every single time, or always hit into a double play? Surely, you can see there's a difference in value between the man that walks every time, the man that strikes out every time and the man that hits into a double play all the time? Yet they all would have a .000 BA. Seems almost like the stat isn't telling the whole story, no?


I don't believe I've ever implied that I would take BA and only BA as the deciding offensive stat.

Someone with 100 walks and a .000 batting average vs someone with a .350 batting average and a .400OBP

You're taking the 100 walks, really?

Over 100 plate appearances, the guy with 100 walks is doing jack all except getting on first base (hey, maybe he gets a run in if the bases are loaded). The other guy is hitting 5/6/7 home runs, getting 7/8/9/10 doubles, not to mention driving in runs with singles or some of the outs he is making.

I refuse to believe that "he never makes an out!" is an offensive FORCE
 
2012-10-01 11:33:10 PM  

DeWayne Mann: WhyteRaven74: Not if the hitters who come up behind them aren't good.

So a player's value depends solely on his teammates? Does Albert Pujols on the Yankees have significantly more value than Albert Pujols on the Astros?

great_tigers: one of the first to bring sabermetrics to the forefront as a part of the media.

Maybe if you only listen to ESPN, but even then, he was a fairly late adopter there. He didn't start using sabermetrics until 2010. That's 4 years after Keith Law was hired.


As a typical sports fan, I usually resort to ESPN for the majority of my insight. I don't have XM OBBP 345. Sabermetrics all day long. Only on XM OBBP channel 345!

It's half past eleven, let's talk about Scott Diamond's DWAR.
 
2012-10-01 11:33:10 PM  
SOUR TROUT!!!
 
2012-10-01 11:33:27 PM  

great_tigers: nein: great_tigers: DeWayne Mann: Wait

great_tigers: Do you masturbate to Moneyball and pictures or Bill Simmons?

...Bill Simmons? You don't even know who you're railing against!

Bill Simmons is an ass clown that does ESPN podcasts. Conceptually thought of as one of ESPN's most popular journalist and one of the first to bring sabermetrics to the forefront as a part of the media.

That's just completely false. Rob Neyer is probably most responsible for that in regard to ESPN. Simmons didn't buy into sabermetrics until maybe a couple years ago, and that might've been because Neyer needled him endlessly about it.

Sorry, I think you missed the whole popular part. I have never heard a pod cast by Neyer. I have heard one from Bill Simmons though.

Or are you going to try to show me through sabermetrics that Neyer is a better writer than Simmons...



Well, Neyer probably isn't a better writer, so sabermetrics wouldn't help. But OBP and OPS were highly utilized even in radio and TV broadcasts well before Simmons came on board. Heck, WAR was making its way into the mainstream media before Simmons caught on.

I had no idea we judged popularity by whose podcasts you listen to. Can you also tell me what time you drink milk in the morning so I make sure I pick the popular time to do that, too?
 
2012-10-01 11:34:12 PM  

DeWayne Mann: great_tigers: Sorry, I think you missed the whole popular part. I have never heard a pod cast by Neyer. I have heard one from Bill Simmons though.

So, your closed mindedness means you're right? NEAT!


Who's closed minded? You're the one who's entire profile (life?) is dedicated to numbers.
 
2012-10-01 11:35:09 PM  

dagnamit: DeWayne Mann, at least admit that the Sabermatrician's wet dream of a team would be boring as hell to watch. Chicks (and sportswriters) dig the long ball, man.


Nah, we like the scrappy stuff, like stolen bases and bunts.
 
2012-10-01 11:35:17 PM  

DeWayne Mann: Let's say you had 9 guys who walk every time up. How many runs would that team score in a typical inning?


What the f*ck kind of stupid ass hypothetical is this...

It is a stupid goddamn point. They would score an infinite number of runs and it would never happen in the history of ever.

Sandor at the Zoo: Walking in every single PA is not an offensive skill? Having an ungodly ability to read pitches and feel the strike zone is not an offensive skill? Being able to foul off anything and everything, from 62-mph curves to 102-mph fastballs, is not an offensive skill? Are you high? Even without ever recording a hit, this hypothetical walk monster would deserve consideration for the all-time greatest batsman of all time!


...

What is the percentage of pitcher producing a walk and batter earning a walk?
 
2012-10-01 11:36:05 PM  

nein: great_tigers: nein: great_tigers: DeWayne Mann: Wait

great_tigers: Do you masturbate to Moneyball and pictures or Bill Simmons?

...Bill Simmons? You don't even know who you're railing against!

Bill Simmons is an ass clown that does ESPN podcasts. Conceptually thought of as one of ESPN's most popular journalist and one of the first to bring sabermetrics to the forefront as a part of the media.

That's just completely false. Rob Neyer is probably most responsible for that in regard to ESPN. Simmons didn't buy into sabermetrics until maybe a couple years ago, and that might've been because Neyer needled him endlessly about it.

Sorry, I think you missed the whole popular part. I have never heard a pod cast by Neyer. I have heard one from Bill Simmons though.

Or are you going to try to show me through sabermetrics that Neyer is a better writer than Simmons...


Well, Neyer probably isn't a better writer, so sabermetrics wouldn't help. But OBP and OPS were highly utilized even in radio and TV broadcasts well before Simmons came on board. Heck, WAR was making its way into the mainstream media before Simmons caught on.

I had no idea we judged popularity by whose podcasts you listen to. Can you also tell me what time you drink milk in the morning so I make sure I pick the popular time to do that, too?


I am lactose intolerant
 
2012-10-01 11:36:15 PM  

dagnamit: DeWayne Mann, at least admit that the Sabermatrician's wet dream of a team would be boring as hell to watch. Chicks (and sportswriters) dig the long ball, man.


So do statheads. They just like them in combination with other skills. Surely, you aren't saying you'd take Mark Reynolds over Evan Longoria, would you?
 
2012-10-01 11:36:18 PM  

nein: That's a tremendous skill and it's why so many teams are preaching patience at the plate now. You are seriously undervaluing the ability to avoid making an out. Putting runners on base is never a bad thing (unless you're the 2012 Yankees).


Going to the absurdity of saying someone who walks every time is an offensive force so BA doesn't mean anything continues to be stupid.
 
2012-10-01 11:38:07 PM  

Sandor at the Zoo: WhyteRaven74: Sandor at the Zoo: "good BA" is seriously lacking in definition.

The general consensus is anything over .300 is decent, over .320 pretty darn good, over .340, damn good.

What about in 1968, when the AL batting crown when to Yaz, who hit .301. Was that merely decent?

I'm honestly not trying to bust your balls, I'm just trying to say that there is an awful lot of context that needs to be accounted for in the game of baseball. Context needs to be given to what is a "good" statistical performance, just as context needs to given to what is a "valuable" statistical performance.


Year of the pitcher. They lowered the mound after that season. .301 was pretty damn good that season.
 
2012-10-01 11:38:30 PM  

dagnamit: DeWayne Mann, at least admit that the Sabermatrician's wet dream of a team would be boring as hell to watch. Chicks (and sportswriters) dig the long ball, man.


I actually like watching players do things like "pitch selection" so, no, not gonna say that.

Besides, the team probably WOULD hit a lot of HR, so....

bulldg4life: I don't believe I've ever implied that I would take BA and only BA as the deciding offensive stat.

Someone with 100 walks and a .000 batting average vs someone with a .350 batting average and a .400OBP

You're taking the 100 walks, really?

Over 100 plate appearances, the guy with 100 walks is doing jack all except getting on first base (hey, maybe he gets a run in if the bases are loaded). The other guy is hitting 5/6/7 home runs, getting 7/8/9/10 doubles, not to mention driving in runs with singles or some of the outs he is making.

I refuse to believe that "he never makes an out!" is an offensive FORCE


Hey.

Answer my question.

9 guys, walk every PA. How many runs in an inning?

Nehllah: Who's closed minded? You're the one who's entire profile (life?) is dedicated to numbers.


And yet, I read several articles a day, and often change my mind on things when new, compelling research comes up. If you talked to me from, say, 5 years ago, I might be looking at these things completely differently.

You guys are listening to what someone said 100 years ago.

So, yes, I have more of an open mind about this than you. Sorry.
 
2012-10-01 11:38:41 PM  

great_tigers: nein: great_tigers:

I had no idea we judged popularity by whose podcasts you listen to. Can you also tell me what time you drink milk in the morning so I make sure I pick the popular time to do that, too?

I am lactose intolerant


Maybe that's why you're intolerant to sabermetrics. Milk does often have magic enzymes.
 
2012-10-01 11:38:44 PM  

bulldg4life: DeWayne Mann: You don't want your team to have a player who never makes an out? SERIOUSLY?

Someone that freaking walks all the time? Are you kidding me?

That's not offensive freaking skill. That's stupid pitchers and being able to foul balls off if needed.


Walking is absolutely a skill.
 
2012-10-01 11:39:06 PM  

bhcompy: Trout deserves it. You do not just hit 30/40(or 30/50, by the end of the week) as a rookie. And you don't will your team out of the cellar leading the AL in hitting as a rookie.


That's criteria for rookie of the year, not MVP.
 
2012-10-01 11:39:12 PM  
I already answered it.

And, it continues to be a stupid point because it is ridiculous.
 
2012-10-01 11:39:47 PM  

ignatius_crumbcake: Walking is absolutely a skill.


It doesn't freaking make someone an offensive force.
 
2012-10-01 11:40:04 PM  
I want to give Jim a hug. I won't miss him next year but I still want to give him a hug.
 
2012-10-01 11:40:42 PM  

bulldg4life: nein: That's a tremendous skill and it's why so many teams are preaching patience at the plate now. You are seriously undervaluing the ability to avoid making an out. Putting runners on base is never a bad thing (unless you're the 2012 Yankees).

Going to the absurdity of saying someone who walks every time is an offensive force so BA doesn't mean anything continues to be stupid.



That's taking it to an extreme, I agree, but its purpose is to drive home a point. BA has some value, it just doesn't have nearly the value of many other stats in existence today, especially when we have OBP and SLG, both of which incorporate AVG.
 
2012-10-01 11:40:54 PM  
Just read this on MLive:

Cabrera's 203 hits, 40 doubles, 44 homers, 137 RBIs have been reached only three times in history -- twice by Lou Gehrig and once by Babe Ruth.

First off, if this is accurate...wow. Second, does this change the mind of anyone in the pro-Trout camp?
 
2012-10-01 11:41:11 PM  

bulldg4life: Sandor at the Zoo: Walking in every single PA is not an offensive skill? Having an ungodly ability to read pitches and feel the strike zone is not an offensive skill? Being able to foul off anything and everything, from 62-mph curves to 102-mph fastballs, is not an offensive skill? Are you high? Even without ever recording a hit, this hypothetical walk monster would deserve consideration for the all-time greatest batsman of all time!

...

What is the percentage of pitcher producing a walk and batter earning a walk?


If I understand you correctly, you mean of all the walks issued in MLB, how many are created by the pitcher producing (or, rather, giving up) the walk, and how many are earned (or drawn) by the hitter. That's an interesting question, I think. First, however, we need to determine what it means to "give up" a walk, and what it means to "draw" a walk. Did you have some criteria in mind?
 
2012-10-01 11:41:13 PM  

great_tigers: I want to give Jim a hug. I won't miss him next year but I still want to give him a hug.


I'm the last Leyland supporter on earth.
 
2012-10-01 11:41:21 PM  

Nehllah: Popcorn Johnny: Tigers open the playoffs Saturday at Comerica Park.

My pieces of paper just turned into tickets!


Um, where are those pieces of paper anyways? I haven't seen them since they came in the mail.
 
2012-10-01 11:42:03 PM  

sigdiamond2000: Just read this on MLive:

Cabrera's 203 hits, 40 doubles, 44 homers, 137 RBIs have been reached only three times in history -- twice by Lou Gehrig and once by Babe Ruth.

First off, if this is accurate...wow. Second, does this change the mind of anyone in the pro-Trout camp?


Still two games left.
 
2012-10-01 11:42:36 PM  

Nehllah: My pieces of paper just turned into tickets!


There's tickets coming out of your earhole!
 
2012-10-01 11:42:58 PM  

bulldg4life: nein: That's a tremendous skill and it's why so many teams are preaching patience at the plate now. You are seriously undervaluing the ability to avoid making an out. Putting runners on base is never a bad thing (unless you're the 2012 Yankees).

Going to the absurdity of saying someone who walks every time is an offensive force so BA doesn't mean anything continues to be stupid.


Of course it means something. It just doesn't tell the full story. A player who goes 0 for 2 with 2 walks and 2 runs scored has contributed more than the player who went 1 for 4 with 3 strikeouts and no runs scored. The first player has a .000 and the second has a .250.

This is the whole point of advanced stats. Look at more than one factor when judging a player and you can see the whole picture.
 
2012-10-01 11:43:00 PM  

bulldg4life: DeWayne Mann: Let's say you had 9 guys who walk every time up. How many runs would that team score in a typical inning?

What the f*ck kind of stupid ass hypothetical is this...

It is a stupid goddamn point. They would score an infinite number of runs and it would never happen in the history of ever.


So you can score an infinite number of runs while hitting 000/1.000/.000, but if you have ONE GUY who does that, he's worthless? REALLY?

ChrisDe: Year of the pitcher. They lowered the mound after that season. .301 was pretty damn good that season.


Exactly! So why do we care about the general consensus from 100 years ago?  Is it the same game?
 
2012-10-01 11:43:13 PM  
Detroit would be a 4th place team in the AL West. It's easy to beat up on Cleveland, Kansas City and Minnesota. Trout missed the first 20 games and the Angels have won 82 games since he got called up (hopefully 83 after tonight) compared to Detroit's 87 for the season. Most runs, best base runner in the game and one of the best center fielders in baseball. Cabrera is the best hitter in the AL but I think Trout's impact on a team that looked dead in late April should give him the award, Triple Crown or not for Cabrera.

I can't pretend I am not biased because I am an Angels fan but Trout has made a great case all season. I'm just happy I got to watch this kid play some of the best baseball I have ever seen. And he's only 21!
 
2012-10-01 11:43:48 PM  

Sandor at the Zoo: If I understand you correctly, you mean of all the walks issued in MLB, how many are created by the pitcher producing (or, rather, giving up) the walk, and how many are earned (or drawn) by the hitter. That's an interesting question, I think. First, however, we need to determine what it means to "give up" a walk, and what it means to "draw" a walk. Did you have some criteria in mind?


No. I am just attempting to point out that a "walk" is not purely dependent on one person or another. There are 2 (or 3) people involved in a walk.

Yes, there is ability required to not swing at a ball out of the strike zone. But, the pitcher also needs skill to get the ball over the plate. Saying that a person walking in every at-bat is an offensive force to say that BA is pointless is...just about...the stupidest damn argument I've ever seen made on this website.
 
2012-10-01 11:44:23 PM  

Nehllah: great_tigers: I want to give Jim a hug. I won't miss him next year but I still want to give him a hug.

I'm the last Leyland supporter on earth.


I support him. I just don't think he is coming back next year. He only signed a one year contract. Francona or Scioscia will be brought in. He wont be fired.
 
2012-10-01 11:44:59 PM  

bulldg4life: ignatius_crumbcake: Walking is absolutely a skill.

It doesn't freaking make someone an offensive force.


A sustained 1.000 OBP is not an offensive force?
 
2012-10-01 11:45:17 PM  

ignatius_crumbcake: Look at more than one factor when judging a player and you can see the whole picture.


I have never implied that I am only looking at one stat. In fact, I've already mentioned that I do not intend to look at ONLY BA to judge someone.

I don't however discount it and use absurd situations to try and make my point.
 
2012-10-01 11:45:18 PM  

great_tigers: Nehllah: great_tigers: I want to give Jim a hug. I won't miss him next year but I still want to give him a hug.

I'm the last Leyland supporter on earth.

I support him. I just don't think he is coming back next year. He only signed a one year contract. Francona or Scioscia will be brought in. He wont be fired.


I think Francona is going to end up with the Indians and I thing I'm going to have to turn off my radio for a month or two when that happens.
 
2012-10-01 11:45:19 PM  

sigdiamond2000: Just read this on MLive:

Cabrera's 203 hits, 40 doubles, 44 homers, 137 RBIs have been reached only three times in history -- twice by Lou Gehrig and once by Babe Ruth.

First off, if this is accurate...wow. Second, does this change the mind of anyone in the pro-Trout camp?


Trout is the third guy to hit 30 HR and 47 steals. He's the only one to also score 151 runs.

Also, protip: the more factors you have and the more weird numbers (137, 203), the more you limit possible matches.

So, no.
 
2012-10-01 11:46:11 PM  

Nehllah: great_tigers: Nehllah: great_tigers: I want to give Jim a hug. I won't miss him next year but I still want to give him a hug.

I'm the last Leyland supporter on earth.

I support him. I just don't think he is coming back next year. He only signed a one year contract. Francona or Scioscia will be brought in. He wont be fired.

I think Francona is going to end up with the Indians and I thing I'm going to have to turn off my radio for a month or two when that happens.


The only reason why I think they have a shot at him is his history with Fielder.
 
2012-10-01 11:46:48 PM  

nein: It is now. .300 in 1960 would've put you just outside the top 10 in the majors.


Check the pitching stats back then, and what happened with the pitchers mound a few years later. The usual range for whats good and not for batting averages is actually fairly consistent and it getting turned upside down was part of what lead to the mount being lowered in 69.

Sandor at the Zoo: What about in 1968, when the AL batting crown when to Yaz, who hit .301. Was that merely decent?


1968 was a year of crazy stats and also the next year they lowered the mount to get things a bit more even again as pitchers had come to just dominate in ways that can't really be explained with numbers alone. Also while yes Yaz did hit only .301, Pete Rose hit .335 in 68 for the NL batting title.
 
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