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(Salon)   The new GOP super-secret "October Surprise" plan to defeat Obama is out and online. In true GOP fashion they fail at the whole "super-secret" part as well as the "surprise" part. Hey, at least it IS October   (salon.com) divider line 647
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2012-10-01 09:07:19 PM  
If Romney ran as a progressive republican he would probably have a good shot at winning. But it's too late now. The problem is if he ran as a progressive republican he wouldn't have any chance of winning the primary and now if he switches over the tea party republicans will call for his head.
 
2012-10-01 09:09:21 PM  

Dimensio: An unnamed source has already confirmed that President Obama did not actually order the strike on Mr. Osama bin Laden's compound, but was instead "overruled" by the military; in fact, President Obama issued a failed order to abort the raid. Once the raid was successful, President Obama claimed credit rather than acknowledge his inability to control the military and admit his willingness not to attack Mr. bin Laden.



i.imgur.com
 
2012-10-01 09:09:46 PM  

Vlad_the_Inaner: gameshowhost: ... and Romney still polls at over 45%.

/seriously. wtf
//who the fark would vote for him?

[i.imgur.com image 800x600]

They have to make the choice of their own free will. Otherwise, system doesn't work.


Are some members of the Republican Party now wishing that they had voted for Dismemberment Goblins?

/I am interested in the fact that not even Ronald the Intern chose Mitt.
//Why is "Witches" on the board when Christine O'Donnell did not run in the primary?
 
2012-10-01 09:09:49 PM  

Somacandra: How Obama will defuse this if its brought up in one sentence:

"I'm sorry but I can't comment on ongoing operations."


Of course he could say that with 100% honesty, he doesn't attend the intelligence briefings on a regular basis...
 
2012-10-01 09:10:48 PM  

eddiesocket: Um...what? The facts are that the Obama administration let everyone think the attacks were spontaneous and the result of the stupid movie for eight days, before finally acknowledging otherwise.


I heard on day one people saying that they didn't think they were spontaneous. I think you and the media are getting to things confused. Part of the riots were spontaneous but they were used for an attack on that was not spontaneous. They were saying day one they didn't have all the facts but by the weapons they were using they knew it was more than just the riot.
 
2012-10-01 09:10:51 PM  

Cyclometh: Dimensio: Bathia_Mapes: ManateeGag: Marcus Aurelius: He said they were jubilant about their new strategy and said they intended to portray Obama as a helpless, Jimmy Carter-like president

Who killed Osama bin Laden again?

some dude on Seal Team 6 put a bullet in his head, but Obama green lit the mission.

Obama is an Executive Admin.

An unnamed source has already confirmed that President Obama did not actually order the strike on Mr. Osama bin Laden's compound, but was instead "overruled" by the military; in fact, President Obama issued a failed order to abort the raid. Once the raid was successful, President Obama claimed credit rather than acknowledge his inability to control the military and admit his willingness not to attack Mr. bin Laden.

Dude, seriously? Take that weak-ass tinfoil hattery somewhere else.


Are you questioning the integrity and the impartiality of Pamela Gellar?

/If you are not, why are you not?
 
2012-10-01 09:11:06 PM  
If they had anything, they'd have blown their load already.

And while the political rules regarding national security are different for Republicans and Democrats (link pops), the "he knew in advance" thing didn't stick when Michael Moore and others did it to George W. Bush for two reasons: 1) It's so horrible, no one wants to believe it, and 2) The level of anger at the actual attackers leaves little room for any other debate.
 
2012-10-01 09:11:49 PM  

Corvus: If Romney ran as a progressive republican he would probably have a good shot at winning. But it's too late now. The problem is if he ran as a progressive republican he wouldn't have any chance of winning the primary and now if he switches over the tea party republicans will call for his head.


Are you forgetting the Etch A Sketch episode?
 
2012-10-01 09:12:06 PM  

eddiesocket: The facts are that the Obama administration let everyone think the attacks were spontaneous and the result of the stupid movie for eight days


Funny. I knew it was a terrorist group using the protests for cover. It was obvious. I saw discussion of that on news sites too after the first day or so.
 
2012-10-01 09:15:07 PM  

AdolfOliverPanties: You libs are going to cry after the debates as you pine away for the days when Obummer led this race. It doesn't matter how much cash you donate or if ACORN will steal the election this time. Romney has what it takes. Pe can win this election with both hands tied behind his back. Come Christmas, when you libs are crying while roasting your chestnuts, he'll be sitting back with a nice decaffeinated kola, his beautiful hazel eyes glowing, laughing his ass off soy much! Al Monday long I've been telling my friends not to worry. Obummer can have Chavez's endorsement. What do we need with Brazil anyway? I wouldn't be scared even if Obummer promised everyone who votes for him a new Mac! Academia is for morans anyway. Romney has this thing sewn up. You libs are cookoo for coconuts anyway.


easy, but made me LOL
 
2012-10-01 09:15:23 PM  

eddiesocket: The fact is, the administration quite weasely misled everyone, implying (without quite saying outright) that the attacks were spontaneous as a result of the movie.


Hmmm...this seems to be pinging my bullshiat meter, I wonder why? Let's read what Obama said the day after:

I strongly condemn the outrageous attack on our diplomatic facility in Benghazi, which took the lives of four Americans, including Ambassador Chris Stevens.

Right now, the American people have the families of those we lost in our thoughts and prayers. They exemplified America's commitment to freedom, justice, and partnership with nations and people around the globe, and stand in stark contrast to those who callously took their lives.

I have directed my Administration to provide all necessary resources to support the security of our personnel in Libya, and to increase security at our diplomatic posts around the globe.

While the United States rejects efforts to denigrate the religious beliefs of others, we must all unequivocally oppose the kind of senseless violence that took the lives of these public servants.

On a personal note, Chris was a courageous and exemplary representative of the United States. Throughout the Libyan revolution, he selflessly served our country and the Libyan people at our mission in Benghazi.

As Ambassador in Tripoli, he has supported Libya's transition to democracy. His legacy will endure wherever human beings reach for liberty and justice. I am profoundly grateful for his service to my Administration, and deeply saddened by this loss.

The brave Americans we lost represent the extraordinary service and sacrifices that our civilians make every day around the globe. As we stand united with their families, let us now redouble our own efforts to carry their work forward.


OK, so maybe it was Hillary who implied "that the attacks were spontaneous as a result of the movie," let's see what the US Secretary of State had to say:

It is with profound sadness that I share the news of the death of four American personnel in Benghazi, Libya yesterday. Among them were United States Ambassador to Libya Chris Stevens and Foreign Service Information Management Officer, Sean Smith. We are still making next of kin notifications for the other two individuals. Our hearts go out to all their families and colleagues.

A 21 year veteran of the Foreign Service, Ambassador Stevens died last night from injuries he sustained in the attack on our office in Benghazi.

I had the privilege of swearing in Chris for his post in Libya only a few months ago. He spoke eloquently about his passion for service, for diplomacy and for the Libyan people. This assignment was only the latest in his more than two decades of dedication to advancing closer ties with the people of the Middle East and North Africa which began as a Peace Corps Volunteer in Morocco. As the conflict in Libya unfolded, Chris was one of the first Americans on the ground in Benghazi. He risked his own life to lend the Libyan people a helping hand to build the foundation for a new, free nation. He spent every day since helping to finish the work that he started. Chris was committed to advancing America's values and interests, even when that meant putting himself in danger.

Sean Smith was a husband and a father of two, who joined the Department ten years ago. Like Chris, Sean was one of our best. Prior to arriving in Benghazi, he served in Baghdad, Pretoria, Montreal, and most recently The Hague.

All the Americans we lost in yesterday's attacks made the ultimate sacrifice. We condemn this vicious and violent attack that took their lives, which they had committed to helping the Libyan people reach for a better future.

America's diplomats and development experts stand on the front lines every day for our country. We are honored by the service of each and every one of them.


Ah, that would be why your post triggered my bullshiat meter: it was, in fact, bullshiat.
 
2012-10-01 09:15:40 PM  

Dimensio: Bathia_Mapes: ManateeGag: Marcus Aurelius: He said they were jubilant about their new strategy and said they intended to portray Obama as a helpless, Jimmy Carter-like president

Who killed Osama bin Laden again?

some dude on Seal Team 6 put a bullet in his head, but Obama green lit the mission.

Obama is an Executive Admin.

An unnamed source has already confirmed that President Obama did not actually order the strike on Mr. Osama bin Laden's compound, but was instead "overruled" by the military; in fact, President Obama issued a failed order to abort the raid. Once the raid was successful, President Obama claimed credit rather than acknowledge his inability to control the military and admit his willingness not to attack Mr. bin Laden.

 
2012-10-01 09:15:44 PM  

eddiesocket: derp.


You are just adorable.
 
2012-10-01 09:16:21 PM  

soy_bomb: Somacandra: How Obama will defuse this if its brought up in one sentence:

"I'm sorry but I can't comment on ongoing operations."

Of course he could say that with 100% honesty, he doesn't attend the intelligence briefings on a regular basis...


Thanks, that was a good read. You can almost tell that the author is on the verge of tears from being fact-checked by a big meanie.
 
2012-10-01 09:17:32 PM  

Somacandra: eddiesocket: The facts are that the Obama administration let everyone think the attacks were spontaneous and the result of the stupid movie for eight days

Funny. I knew it was a terrorist group using the protests for cover. It was obvious. I saw discussion of that on news sites too after the first day or so.


Funny. The administration didn't "know" it for 8 days.

Corvus: I heard on day one people saying that they didn't think they were spontaneous.


Not from the administration, you didn't.

Even the Daily Beast, by all accounts a left-leaning blog, has taken Obama to task for this. Link
 
2012-10-01 09:17:35 PM  

Frau Schadenfreude: They vastly overestimate their chances.


Not sure you're quite getting that reference there duder...
 
2012-10-01 09:18:37 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: [i159.photobucket.com image 600x339]


farm8.staticflickr.com
 
2012-10-01 09:18:53 PM  
They sure have been riding this line hard on the radio the last couple of weeks. Every time I flick over to the Limbaugh/Hannity/etc they're going on and on about the embassy attach, and why the liberal media won't cover it and why oh why won't Obama go on TV and tell everyone exactly what they know regardless of the fact it would also let Al Queda also know what we know.

I just assumed it was because these folks are absolute pants wetting cowards who are scared out of their minds about AQ and are in desperate need for mommy to come and tell them that everything is going to be OK and the monsters under the bed won't be able to hurt them.

Turns out it's also the core of their election strategy.
 
2012-10-01 09:19:08 PM  
The Romney campaign has to stop thinking in terms of some gimick or stunt. Remember when he sent his campaign bus to an Obama event to honk its horn in the parking lot?

Nobody is impressed by that stuff.
 
2012-10-01 09:19:23 PM  

soy_bomb: Of course he could say that with 100% honesty, he doesn't attend the intelligence briefings on a regular basis..


That's because the intelligence briefings are brought to him wherever he is via secure communication. The Presidency travels with the President. You didn't know that?
 
2012-10-01 09:19:52 PM  

Dimensio: Bathia_Mapes: ManateeGag: Marcus Aurelius: He said they were jubilant about their new strategy and said they intended to portray Obama as a helpless, Jimmy Carter-like president

Who killed Osama bin Laden again?

some dude on Seal Team 6 put a bullet in his head, but Obama green lit the mission.

Obama is an Executive Admin.

An unnamed source has already confirmed that President Obama did not actually order the strike on Mr. Osama bin Laden's compound, but was instead "overruled" by the military; in fact, President Obama issued a failed order to abort the raid. Once the raid was successful, President Obama claimed credit rather than acknowledge his inability to control the military and admit his willingness not to attack Mr. bin Laden.


www.guyanagraphic.com
 
2012-10-01 09:20:41 PM  

SilentStrider: AdolfOliverPanties: SilentStrider: ...spaghetti. Lee Atwater....

Still missing two.

 
2012-10-01 09:21:33 PM  

eddiesocket: ghare: eddiesocket: Jim_Tressel's_O-Face: eddiesocket: I think a lot of Dems here are being silly dismissing this out of hand. The fact is, the administration quite weasely misled everyone, implying (without quite saying outright) that the attacks were spontaneous as a result of the movie. That doesn't appear to be the case. The administration lied (without quite lying). Now, does that mean they had evidence ahead of time that an attack was imminent? No, of course not. And so far, there's no proof of that. But if the GOP has any such evidence, this week will probably be the time they'll reveal it. And yeah, I think that could indeed hurt Obama if true.

You sound concerned. Have you thought of finding a different chicken?

Sigh. What a surprise. Accusations of concern-trolling. Obama's not perfect, you know. The Democratic Party isn't perfect. You can criticize it without being a pants-shiatting Teabagger. More and more, Fark is becoming a left-wing version of Free Republic or WND. No critical thinking, all echo chamber.

ah yes, because we seem to think sanity and facts are important, we're liberal. You sound...tired.

Um...what? The facts are that the Obama administration let everyone think the attacks were spontaneous and the result of the stupid movie for eight days, before finally acknowledging otherwise. They even had Ambassador Rice doing the rounds on cable, insisting that that was the case. (Oh course, she was sure to add "to the best of our knowledge" before declaring quite insistently that it was spontaneous). Pretending that didn't happen is not factual. Yes, it's fun to mock idiots who think Obama didn't want to kill bin laden and was overruled by the military and that's he's a super-sekrit muslim gay socialist Nazi who will destroy us all. But just because those idiots exist (and seem to have largely taken over the GOP) doesn't mean everything Obama does is peachy keen. There's a reason why they misled us for eight days. Maybe it's for a good reason, like they didn't want to tip off Al-Quieda about what they know. As a liberal myself, I hope that's the reason. But I think it's reasonable to be nervous (or concerned, if you prefer), that Obama or the military dropped the ball on this one.


Honest question: would it have been more preferable for Obama to come out and say it was a terrorist attack, but then the facts turned out that it was just a random mob? Because I think that would've been an even worse option and they decided they had to say something quick, and without all the facts, they went with what seemed to be the obvious.
 
2012-10-01 09:21:46 PM  

soy_bomb: Somacandra: How Obama will defuse this if its brought up in one sentence:

"I'm sorry but I can't comment on ongoing operations."

Of course he could say that with 100% honesty, he doesn't attend the intelligence briefings on a regular basis...


Yet he's still managed to be vastly more effective than his predecessor at killing terrorists, instead of creating them like Bush.
 
2012-10-01 09:22:20 PM  

imontheinternet: 1. Smirk at dead Americans
2. Smirk harder

2. collect magic underpants 
3. ?????????????
4. Inauguration
 
2012-10-01 09:24:02 PM  

eddiesocket: Not from the administration, you didn't.


The Obama administration made no formal statements as to the cause, as its been pointed out earlier. Nor should they have. Its up to you to show Obama or Clinton making some definitive statement or admit you're just bullshiatting people.
 
2012-10-01 09:24:17 PM  

Somacandra: eddiesocket: The facts are that the Obama administration let everyone think the attacks were spontaneous and the result of the stupid movie for eight days

Funny. I knew it was a terrorist group using the protests for cover. It was obvious. I saw discussion of that on news sites too after the first day or so.


Within three days of the attack:

We had three warships on the Libyan coast.
We had authorization to fly drones over Libya and did so
We had the Libyan government pledging to help us find those responsible

Within two weeks:

The Libyan government had arrested at least 50 suspects in the attack
The Libyan people overran the headquarters of the group believed responsible

And those are the things we know about. Who knows what's going on in Libya we don't know about.

Due to the above, I think I'll trust the administration to give us only the information that serves are best military interest in the region, for the time being.
 
2012-10-01 09:24:23 PM  

The Iconoclast: Wonder if Romney will use the word "fetch" any time during the dabate?


Stop trying to make "fetch" happen.
 
2012-10-01 09:24:33 PM  

Teufelaffe: eddiesocket: The fact is, the administration quite weasely misled everyone, implying (without quite saying outright) that the attacks were spontaneous as a result of the movie.

Hmmm...this seems to be pinging my bullshiat meter, I wonder why? Let's read what Obama said the day after:

I strongly condemn the outrageous attack on our diplomatic facility in Benghazi, which took the lives of four Americans, including Ambassador Chris Stevens.

Right now, the American people have the families of those we lost in our thoughts and prayers. They exemplified America's commitment to freedom, justice, and partnership with nations and people around the globe, and stand in stark contrast to those who callously took their lives.

I have directed my Administration to provide all necessary resources to support the security of our personnel in Libya, and to increase security at our diplomatic posts around the globe.

While the United States rejects efforts to denigrate the religious beliefs of others, we must all unequivocally oppose the kind of senseless violence that took the lives of these public servants.

On a personal note, Chris was a courageous and exemplary representative of the United States. Throughout the Libyan revolution, he selflessly served our country and the Libyan people at our mission in Benghazi.

As Ambassador in Tripoli, he has supported Libya's transition to democracy. His legacy will endure wherever human beings reach for liberty and justice. I am profoundly grateful for his service to my Administration, and deeply saddened by this loss.

The brave Americans we lost represent the extraordinary service and sacrifices that our civilians make every day around the globe. As we stand united with their families, let us now redouble our own efforts to carry their work forward.

OK, so maybe it was Hillary who implied "that the attacks were spontaneous as a result of the movie," let's see what the US Secretary of State had to say:

It is with profound sadness that ...


Dude. Seriously? It's not even up for debate. Jay Carney, WH Press Secretary Sept 16th: "Based on information that we-our initial information, and that includes all information-we saw no evidence to back up claims by others that this was a preplanned or premeditated attack."

UN Ambassador Susan Rice, Sept 16th: On ABC, saying that the violence "was a spontaneous - not a premeditated - response [...] to this very offensive video that was disseminated."
 
2012-10-01 09:25:21 PM  

SilentStrider: AdolfOliverPanties: SilentStrider: ... LeBron, Blair Underwood, and George Clooney...

Still missing two.

 
2012-10-01 09:26:07 PM  
Hey, SilentStrider.

I enjoy the heady rush of eating fine Italian, but too much spaghetti leaves me nearly comatose.
 
2012-10-01 09:27:08 PM  

Legroom: Because I think that would've been an even worse option and they decided they had to say something quick, and without all the facts, they went with what seemed to be the obvious.


Where did the Obama Administration actually state that the movie was the cause of the Ambasaddor Stevens death?
 
2012-10-01 09:27:32 PM  

Dimensio: Are you questioning the integrity and the impartiality of Pamela Gellar?


Ha!
 
2012-10-01 09:27:44 PM  
when is fartbongoloid gonna pass "the strong public option"
 
2012-10-01 09:27:55 PM  

Somacandra: eddiesocket: Not from the administration, you didn't.

The Obama administration made no formal statements as to the cause, as its been pointed out earlier. Nor should they have. Its up to you to show Obama or Clinton making some definitive statement or admit you're just bullshiatting people.


WH Press Secretary doesn't count?
Or the US Ambassador?

If Carney and Rice were speaking out without permission or approval from the administration, then they should be fired immediately, no?
 
2012-10-01 09:28:34 PM  

Dimensio: An unnamed source has already confirmed that President Obama did not actually order the strike on Mr. Osama bin Laden's compound, but was instead "overruled" by the military; in fact, President Obama issued a failed order to abort the raid. Once the raid was successful, President Obama claimed credit rather than acknowledge his inability to control the military and admit his willingness not to attack Mr. bin Laden.


Sounds like a load of shiat, bro. Is there no depth you won't stoop to?
 
2012-10-01 09:29:34 PM  

Dimensio: Are you questioning the integrity and the impartiality of Pamela Gellar?

/If you are not, why are you not?


Oh, so you're just being tounge-in-cheeck / lightly trolling.
 
2012-10-01 09:29:36 PM  

eddiesocket: Dude. Seriously? It's not even up for debate. Jay Carney, WH Press Secretary Sept 16th: "Based on information that we-our initial information, and that includes all information-we saw no evidence to back up claims by others that this was a preplanned or premeditated attack."

UN Ambassador Susan Rice, Sept 16th: On ABC, saying that the violence "was a spontaneous - not a premeditated - response [...] to this very offensive video that was disseminated."


So when you said "weasely misled" and "imply", what you actually meant was, "directly stated, based on the information they had available." In short, your characterization of what the administration did say was inaccurate and, quite frankly, pants-on-head retarded.
 
2012-10-01 09:29:42 PM  

Legroom: Honest question: would it have been more preferable for Obama to come out and say it was a terrorist attack, but then the facts turned out that it was just a random mob? Because I think that would've been an even worse option and they decided they had to say something quick, and without all the facts, they went with what seemed to be the obvious.


Give it up. He lives in Republican Bizarro World, wherein the ONLY acceptable response would have been an all-out nuclear strike within minutes of the riots and damn any subsequent consequences.

The idea that the DEMONSTRATION was spontaneous and the ATTACK was planned--and that they were two separate events--is just too complex and nuanced a thought for the denizens of Bizarro World.
 
2012-10-01 09:29:56 PM  
Jimmy Carter DID legalize home brewing of beer.

Jimmy Carter DID NOT send a cake and a bible to Tehran to trade arms for hostages.

See the difference? See?
 
2012-10-01 09:30:21 PM  

Diogenes: DammitIForgotMyLogin: "My understanding is that they have come up with evidence that the Obama administration had positive intelligence that there was going to be a terrorist attack on the intelligence."


Wait, what?

They hate us for our intelligence? That sentence sounds like it was constructed by Ralph Wiggum or Sarah Palin.


Sir, we have critically important intelligence for you. Your cat's breath smells like cat food.
 
2012-10-01 09:30:23 PM  

Somacandra: Legroom: Because I think that would've been an even worse option and they decided they had to say something quick, and without all the facts, they went with what seemed to be the obvious.

Where did the Obama Administration actually state that the movie was the cause of the Ambasaddor Stevens death?


I don't think they did. I think people and the news are mixing up some statements being made and making this into a much bigger deal then it is.

Serious is this something we supposed to kick Obama out because he wasn't 100% clear on the first day what exactly had happened. Holy shiat it took Bush years and 3000 lives to figure Iraq was a mistake.
 
2012-10-01 09:30:36 PM  

RyogaM: Who knows what's going on in Libya we don't know about. Due to the above, I think I'll trust the administration to give us only the information that serves are best military interest in the region, for the time being.


I agree. I didn't try to second guess the Bush admin operations in Afghanistan until it became obvious weeks after Tora Bora that they let Bin Laden get away there. I don't expect to know about ongoing operations and I expect the GOP not to ask for that kind of info.
 
2012-10-01 09:31:36 PM  

Gyrfalcon: hiker9999: cman: hiker9999: ManateeGag: some dude on Seal Team 6 put a bullet in his head, but Obama green lit the mission.

So, in other words....Obama has still done tons more than Romney, or the the idiot known as GW Bush.

I have never understood why the GOP cant even let Obama have that one. Obama ordered our troops into a country we were not at war with to take out a major terrorist. There could have been significant backlash against the President if it all went wrong. You bet your ass the GOP would be there with the blame if shiat went wrong.

I once had a conversation about that with my father, who was a Vietnam-era vet.(He never got sent over); Dad repeated the claim that the boots on the ground were soley responsible for the entire operation....the President had absolutely nothing to do with it- and he deserved no credit for it.

I asked him, by that definition, then, if it was true that JFK, LBJ and Nixon deserved no blame for the CF that was Vietnam-- that it was all soldiers on the ground in the Nam that screwed things up royally.

Dad never made that arguement again.

Oo...harsh.


Don't get me wrong- I'm in uniform daily, myself. I'm certainly not one to blame the troops unjustly....but that arguenemnt just bugs me.
 
2012-10-01 09:31:38 PM  

phaseolus: SilentStrider: AdolfOliverPanties: SilentStrider: ...spaghetti. Lee Atwater....

Still missing two.


one more i don't think anyone's gotten
 
2012-10-01 09:31:57 PM  
If Romney was part of this discussion that involved people with 'high-level national security intelligence' talking about classified details of the attack on the embassy in Libya and/or classified information from which they deduced that Obama was pre-warned of the attack, then Romney himself has committed a crime - violation of a section of the Espionage Act, 18 U.S.C. 793(e).

Since no other news sources have been able to 'figure out' that Obama knew about the attacks ahead of time (and neither can Salon, even knowing that supposedly he did), I assume that these GOP'ers needed classified information to connect those dots.

Romney recently started receiving the daily security briefings that the President receives - right after the GOP communication, IIRC - a tradition that helps ensure a smooth transition on critical issues if the incumbent loses. Presumably Romney received his clearance at some point prior to that.

So even if Romney didn't disclose the classified information regarding the 'fore-knowledge' of the attack himself, he knowingly participated in a discussion with both cleared and uncleared people that was blatantly classified (the article stated that only some people present were cleared, so I'm assuming that some / most of the participants were not). That's a crime as well - facilitating the release of classified information to uncleared personnel - espionage. The other possibility is that Romney himself found out about this from his own daily security briefing, and reported the information to this group. Either way he's farked up pretty solidly.

Any normal person who did this would at an absolute minimum lose their clearance for life, and almost certainly do some time. It's more serious to release the information to a foreign entity, but they don't mess around with this stuff. I'm sure that the courts would be less than amused that classified information, in many cases retrieved by Americans whose lives are literally in danger, was being bandied about to help Mr. Willard ChickenHawk Romney get elected.

It seems to me that if it's true that Obama did have information that there would be attacks ahead of time, and if Romney, his campaign staff and GOP leadership did have a conversation about it which has at it's centerpiece classified information, then there is no way that Romney is in the clear on this one.

It's definitely far uglier if Romney received the information from the briefing that Obama provides him with, but either way - if this Carter-ization of Obama based on this supposed intelligence occurs, then it seems pretty clear that Romney inappropriately used and disclosed classified information.
It's far more likely that this whole story is bullsh*t though.

\It would be cool if Obama put this intelligence into the Romney report as a honey pot...
\\And it would be just like Romney to broadcast classified information to help himself while knowing it puts American lives at risk (Plume anyone?) 
\\\I would imagine that some classified information is so specific that just the knowledge that it exists is sufficient for the 'bad guys' to figure out who the spy is.
 
2012-10-01 09:32:07 PM  

Gyrfalcon: The idea that the DEMONSTRATION was spontaneous and the ATTACK was planned--and that they were two separate events--is just too complex and nuanced a thought for the denizens of Bizarro World.


Yeah holy shiat is this too complicated for people. They did use the demonstration for cover but yeah.
 
2012-10-01 09:32:14 PM  

phaseolus: SilentStrider: AdolfOliverPanties: SilentStrider: ... LeBron, Blair Underwood, and George Clooney...

Still missing two.


never mind, that was it.
 
2012-10-01 09:33:24 PM  

eddiesocket: WH Press Secretary doesn't count?
Or the US Ambassador?


You'll need to provide actual citations and genuine context before you'll be taken seriously. You have a tendency to argue in bad faith.
 
2012-10-01 09:33:36 PM  

Introitus: This is as good a strategy as linking Obama to Vince Foster's 'suicide'


Fartbongo bin Muslin had Vince Foster killed. Foster saw Fartbongo while they were both on hadj. Foster was going to tell the world that Farbongo shouted "Take that, Ronnie" when he threw stones at the devil.

/Yes, that's right. Fartbongo's secret Muslin name is Fartbongo bin Muslin al Hadji
 
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