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(Mercury News)   Governor Moonbeam swings back to sanity, requires unvaxed students to have an actual doctor's note explaining why their parents hate them   (mercurynews.com) divider line 244
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2012-10-01 01:05:31 PM  
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Does not approve
 
2012-10-01 01:10:34 PM  
The Artists community is relieved.
 
2012-10-01 01:14:11 PM  
This is like the third headline in 2 days to say "Governor Moonbeam does X" when all he did was sign a bill into law. Do people not think the CA legislature exists?
 
2012-10-01 01:16:21 PM  
Except that violates federal law & is meaningless
 
2012-10-01 01:17:44 PM  

borg: Except that violates federal law & is meaningless


How does this violate federal law?
 
2012-10-01 01:26:45 PM  

DamnYankees: How does this violate federal law?


First amendment rights, yo. The freedom of artistic expression.
 
2012-10-01 01:33:38 PM  
My middle-school aged children are vaccinated to the hilt. Those boys won't be speading HPV or any other damn thing.
 
2012-10-01 01:37:11 PM  

borg: Except that violates federal law & is meaningless


grantjkidney.com

originally posted with this picture

/always hit preview
//he's big in the ant-vacc, anti-gov movement
 
2012-10-01 01:39:13 PM  
Hmmm, I brought up in the thread about him signing the law that says parents can't send their "gay" kids to "straight therapy", that, while I applaud it, couldn't you make the same claim of "bad parenting" about the anti-vaxxers?

I see he also thought the same thing.
 
2012-10-01 01:44:04 PM  
Man, back when I was in school you either got your shots or you got booted. I think the difference was there were still a lot of parents, administrators, and public policy makers who remembered what things used to be like.
 
2012-10-01 01:45:33 PM  
Good.

If only it were the parents of the unvaccinated who got TB instead of the kids.
 
2012-10-01 01:47:35 PM  
All this does is make more paperwork for doctors and nurses. We really need to make these parents attend 20 hours of vaccine education classes, spread over 16 days, at least 50 miles from their homes, during the work week, and charge $2000 a pop.
 
2012-10-01 01:52:46 PM  
Her name Sanji Patel and she has polio. But her California friends just call her "Krrrazy Legs"!
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2012-10-01 01:53:32 PM  

Sybarite: Man, back when I was in school you either got your shots or you got booted. I think the difference was there were still a lot of parents, administrators, and public policy makers who remembered what things used to be like.


Exactly.

I've had some elderly people on my street that just flat out asked me if my kids were vaccinated. Don't remember how the conversation came up, just that they wanted to know. I think their granddaughter had decided to not vaccinate her kids, until they told her the horror stories related to polio they had seen as kids.

They're up to date on everything they are supposed to be for school (except the flu shot, since Target won't give the shot to kids). I'm up to date on flu and Tdap, will get MMR booster next year, because I was flat on my ass for half a day after the two shots, but that's mostly because I pass out when I get any sort of shot or blood drawn. Just thinking about it makes me woozy.
 
2012-10-01 02:03:31 PM  
I guess on the one hand, this could lead to some doctors actually changing a few minds. on the other hand... when the unvaccinated children start making the vaccinated children sick (herd immunity and all that good stuff), how are the state (and the schools) going to respond to the fact that it sanctioned irresponsible behavior?
 
2012-10-01 02:04:57 PM  

kbronsito: I guess on the one hand, this could lead to some doctors actually changing a few minds. on the other hand... when the unvaccinated children start making the vaccinated children sick (herd immunity and all that good stuff), how are the state (and the schools) going to respond to the fact that it sanctioned irresponsible behavior?


Religious Freedom covers their asses like a measles rash
 
2012-10-01 02:09:39 PM  
If you can find a physician to prescribe weed, you can find one to write a vaccination waiver. Maybe the same guy, in fact.
 
2012-10-01 02:27:45 PM  
Unvaccinated children should be banned from public schools. No exceptions.
 
2012-10-01 03:27:46 PM  

GAT_00: Unvaccinated children should be banned from public schools. No exceptions.


What about undocumented unvaccinated children?
 
2012-10-01 03:50:59 PM  

Sybarite: Man, back when I was in school you either got your shots or you got booted. I think the difference was there were still a lot of parents, administrators, and public policy makers who remembered what things used to be like.


In the 60's and 70's every class lined up once a year for shots.

/still has a scar

Because People in power are Stupid: DamnYankees: How does this violate federal law?

First amendment rights, yo. The freedom of artistic expression.


In many states you can claim religious, personal or other reasons for exemptions to vaccinations.

mysticcat: If you can find a physician to prescribe weed, you can find one to write a vaccination waiver. Maybe the same guy, in fact.


Gotta love the West Coast.
 
2012-10-01 04:36:25 PM  
Oh, you mean like a severe egg allergy that makes getting vaccines grown in eggs a bit of a problem?
 
2012-10-01 04:36:33 PM  
"Governor Moonbeam" seems to be doing a better job than "Governor Adulterer."

At least Brown wants to get the financial house in order.
 
2012-10-01 04:36:44 PM  
"Swings back to sanity", subby? He's been the most stable, sane, and approachable governor California's had... well, since the last time he was governor.
 
2012-10-01 04:37:17 PM  
...Jerry Brown is governor again!? This really happen?!
 
2012-10-01 04:37:39 PM  

HeartBurnKid: "Swings back to sanity", subby? He's been the most stable, sane, and approachable governor California's had... well, since the last time he was governor.


Jerry Brown was a bit crappy on his first go. So far he's doing a bit better.
 
2012-10-01 04:40:00 PM  
If you reject science and society to the point that you pass on *vaccinations*, how can you still be Ok with public school?
 
2012-10-01 04:40:12 PM  
As long as you have a waiver, the measles virus will know it's not permitted to infect your child.
 
2012-10-01 04:40:18 PM  

TheDumbBlonde: GAT_00: Unvaccinated children should be banned from public schools. No exceptions.

What about undocumented unvaccinated children?


One could rightly assume that your specific subset would in fact fall under the greater umbrella of the original subset of unvaccinated. Thank you though for adding pretty much nothing to the conversation.
 
2012-10-01 04:40:18 PM  

WizardofToast: HeartBurnKid: "Swings back to sanity", subby? He's been the most stable, sane, and approachable governor California's had... well, since the last time he was governor.

Jerry Brown was a bit crappy on his first go. So far he's doing a bit better.


Perhaps, but since his last time, we've had Deukmejian, Wilson, Davis, and Schwarzenegger. I'd be hard-pressed to say any of those were better.
 
2012-10-01 04:40:26 PM  
But he once again shows his contempt for the people by banning a child from legally having more than 2 parents
 
2012-10-01 04:42:27 PM  

TheDumbBlonde: My middle-school aged children are vaccinated to the hilt. Those boys won't be speading HPV or any other damn thing.


Read that as "middle-aged school children" a couple of times. Maybe I need a vaccine... probably too late.
 
2012-10-01 04:42:51 PM  

Sybarite: Man, back when I was in school you either got your shots or you got booted. I think the difference was there were still a lot of parents, administrators, and public policy makers who remembered what things used to be like.


At 35, I'm at the tail end of this - grew up with a grandfather who suffered lifelong disabilities from his polio infection. The great-grandkids will only know of him as 'old', not really realizing that his disabilities have existed for decades for no reason connected to 'old age'. Personally, I'm all for vaccination.

On the requirement - at least this will remove those who are really worrying about the cost of a doctor's visit to get the shots; since they'll now need to see one anyways.

/I'm mostly a libertarian
//Would still support free vaccination in schools because disease is that scary for me.
 
2012-10-01 04:43:03 PM  
AB2109 will require parents who enroll students who have not received the required public school vaccines to get a waiver from a physician or a nurse practitioner saying they have received information about the benefits and risks of immunization.

Oh gee, that'll help.
 
2012-10-01 04:43:28 PM  
Opponents, including former "Saturday Night Live" actor Rob Schneider of Pacifica, said it infringes on parental rights and increases medical costs for families.


Well if the star of Duce Bigalow thinks it is a bad idea, who am I to argue. Obviously anyone of decides to appear in two Duce Bigalow films has wisdom...

Or to quote Ebert

Ebert said, "As chance would have it, I have won the Pulitzer Prize, and so I am qualified. Speaking in my official capacity as a Pulitzer Prize winner, Mr. Schneider, your movie sucks."
 
2012-10-01 04:44:01 PM  
A child needs a note about why they didnt get a vaccination but the child doesnt need a note about getting an abortion.
 
2012-10-01 04:44:19 PM  

TheDumbBlonde: What about undocumented unvaccinated children?


They come from a country that still struggles with horrifying, yet preventable diseases. I doubt there are many anti-vaxxers in families that have actually watched a grandfather die of the plague.
 
2012-10-01 04:44:23 PM  
In other news, Pakistan discontinued an important polio vaccination effort in light of the U.S. govt's use of medical NGOs to gather intel on bin Laden.

Unintended consequences?
 
2012-10-01 04:45:57 PM  

borg: Except that violates federal law & is meaningless


1st Amendment isn't an all powerful excuse for everything. The central tenant of my religion could be, for example, raping your mother but that doesn't mean I won't go to jail if I rape your mother.
 
2012-10-01 04:46:32 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: A child needs a note about why they didnt get a vaccination but the child doesnt need a note about getting an abortion.


Do you try to be this stupid every day or do it come naturally?
 
2012-10-01 04:47:49 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: A child needs a note about why they didnt get a vaccination but the child doesnt need a note about getting an abortion.


So abortion is a transmittable disease, much like TB and smallpox. Good to know.
 
2012-10-01 04:48:15 PM  

sabreWulf07: As long as you have a waiver, the measles virus will know it's not permitted to infect your child.


In California, clinic staff are required to enter these waivers in a "secure" online database. Once an outbreak occurs, guess who gets quarantined first. On my mobile now. Will retrieve link soon.
 
2012-10-01 04:48:37 PM  

ddam: tenpoundsofcheese: A child needs a note about why they didnt get a vaccination but the child doesnt need a note about getting an abortion.

Do you try to be this stupid every day or do it come naturally?


You either believe it is your body and can do what you want or not. Can't have it both ways.
 
2012-10-01 04:49:04 PM  
Jerry Brown must have read my post from a previous thread and sprung into action!

Link
 
2012-10-01 04:49:08 PM  

meat0918: Target won't give the shot to kids


If you want to get flu shots for your kids, their pediatrician or family doctor should be able to do it. All kids 6 months and older can get the shot. If they're 8 or under, they have to get two doses 28 days apart for it to be fully effective, but they can still get it. Depending on your insurance plan, you may not even have to pay for the shots under the new Obamacare changes. Good luck!
 
2012-10-01 04:49:21 PM  

FunkOut: Oh, you mean like a severe egg allergy that makes getting vaccines grown in eggs a bit of a problem?


I'm an allergist, so I see this not infrequently. Here's how I handle it: 1) Give the patient the vaccination.

That's it. Very simple.

Multiple studies show that even patients with documented true anaphylaxis to eggs can handle vaccinations. Despite this, many vaccine package inserts continue to say that it shouldn't be done. This is purely a CYA move due to all the litigious twatwaffles trolling for personal injury cases.
 
2012-10-01 04:49:30 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: A child needs a note about why they didnt get a vaccination but the child doesnt need a note about getting an abortion.


When getting an abortion results in spontaneous miscarriages among innocent passersby, you'll have a valid comparison. Until then, you're ten pounds of derp in a five-pound bag.
 
2012-10-01 04:49:47 PM  
Bill doesn't go far enough. This is one of those times that I say vaccinate the kids and if the parents don't like it, they can explain to social workers why they should be allowed to retain custody of their children.
 
2012-10-01 04:50:03 PM  

FunkOut: Oh, you mean like a severe egg allergy that makes getting vaccines grown in eggs a bit of a problem?


Sure, as long as a doctor provides a signed letter stating the child's alergic reaction to any amount of egg is potentially life threatening (not just a bit of swelling in the immediate area of where the shot was administered). And it has to be a real medical doctor, not some hippy herbalist with an inkjet printed certificate in holistic wellness.
 
2012-10-01 04:50:04 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: ddam: tenpoundsofcheese: A child needs a note about why they didnt get a vaccination but the child doesnt need a note about getting an abortion.

Do you try to be this stupid every day or do it come naturally?

You either believe it is your body and can do what you want or not. Can't have it both ways.


Public health.
 
2012-10-01 04:51:31 PM  
First, many of the parents who refused vaccinations for their kids are already more educated than the school officials and lawmakers.

Second, many parents who refused vaccinations do so selectively, for the health of their children. Just like you wouldn't give your kid every medication under the son if you thought it was potentially harmful or unnecessary, so some parents treat vaccinations.

Third, the difference between the present and times past is that the number of required vaccinations are growing at a high rate. Why? Lack of critical thinking skills on the part of, well, everyone. Also, the power (and by power, I mean money) wielded by drug company lobbyists. You don't even need conspiracy theories to arrive at these conclusions.

/still thinks vaccines have their benefits and should be used appropriately
 
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