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2012-10-01 08:27:00 PM  
Here is a note from me instead. It says I'm not giving you my money.
 
2012-10-01 08:27:25 PM  

Mister Peejay: Because People in power are Stupid: DamnYankees: How does this violate federal law?

First amendment rights, yo. The freedom of artistic expression.

What about the freedom of shut the hell up? Why do so many people waive this freedom?


I don't know. Why don't you?
 
2012-10-01 08:33:25 PM  

Because People in power are Stupid: Mister Peejay: Because People in power are Stupid: DamnYankees: How does this violate federal law?

First amendment rights, yo. The freedom of artistic expression.

What about the freedom of shut the hell up? Why do so many people waive this freedom?

I don't know. Why don't you?


That wasn't directed at you. Just an observation.

/of course, the Political tab would be mostly vacant. OR IS IT ALREADY
 
2012-10-01 08:36:19 PM  

Mister Peejay: Because People in power are Stupid: Mister Peejay: Because People in power are Stupid: DamnYankees: How does this violate federal law?

First amendment rights, yo. The freedom of artistic expression.

What about the freedom of shut the hell up? Why do so many people waive this freedom?

I don't know. Why don't you?

That wasn't directed at you. Just an observation.

/of course, the Political tab would be mostly vacant. OR IS IT ALREADY


*question mark*
 
2012-10-01 08:42:00 PM  

Mister Peejay: Because People in power are Stupid: DamnYankees: How does this violate federal law?

First amendment rights, yo. The freedom of artistic expression.

What about the freedom of shut the hell up? Why do so many people waive this freedom?


Pay me to shut up, man, and I will.

Let's start a Kickstarter to shut me up online. Raise enough, and I will bow out forever online; out of the cloud; analog, wait, personal space only...

I'm game.

I need the money, the hugeosity of money, to pay off my student loan debt, which is huge. That's all I want. To be free to educate/learn/teach/write freely.

Unencumbered, as it were.

You can make this happen.

Make it so, please?

;)
 
2012-10-01 08:45:01 PM  

badhatharry: Here is a note from me instead. It says I'm not giving you my money.


Oh, I thought this was about college students. I have a note from my mother. It says, "I don't need a doctor to tell me that my child is not livestock. Please grace him with your acceptance or just go fark yourself."
 
2012-10-01 08:47:15 PM  

badhatharry: badhatharry: Here is a note from me instead. It says I'm not giving you my money.

Oh, I thought this was about college students. I have a note from my mother. It says, "I don't need a doctor to tell me that my child is not livestock. Please grace him with your acceptance or just go fark yourself."


Comma.
 
2012-10-01 08:50:37 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: A child needs a note about why they didnt get a vaccination but the child doesnt need a note about getting an abortion.


Good.
 
2012-10-01 08:52:36 PM  

Indubitably: badhatharry: badhatharry: Here is a note from me instead. It says I'm not giving you my money.

Oh, I thought this was about college students. I have a note from my mother. It says, "I don't need a doctor to tell me that my child is not livestock. Please grace him with your acceptance or just go fark yourself."

Comma.


See, the comma needs to separate your two independent ideas, man. It's has to do with the structure of the sentence. It's called a compound sentence.

"Please grace him with your acceptance..." is a complete idea/thought.

"...just go fark yourself" is a complete idea/thought.

Two ideas put together=compound sentence=needs a coordinating conjunction and a comma.

Hence: "Please grace him with your acceptance, or just go fark yourself."

You're welcome.
 
2012-10-01 08:54:13 PM  

Indubitably: Indubitably: badhatharry: badhatharry: Here is a note from me instead. It says I'm not giving you my money.

Oh, I thought this was about college students. I have a note from my mother. It says, "I don't need a doctor to tell me that my child is not livestock. Please grace him with your acceptance or just go fark yourself."

Comma.

See, the comma needs to separate your two independent ideas, man. It's has to do with the structure of the sentence. It's called a compound sentence.

"Please grace him with your acceptance..." is a complete idea/thought.

"...just go fark yourself" is a complete idea/thought.

Two ideas put together=compound sentence=needs a coordinating conjunction and a comma.

Hence: "Please grace him with your acceptance, or just go fark yourself."

You're welcome.


Minus the "it's."

Heh.
 
2012-10-01 09:02:55 PM  

Indubitably: Indubitably: Indubitably: badhatharry: badhatharry: Here is a note from me instead. It says I'm not giving you my money.

Oh, I thought this was about college students. I have a note from my mother. It says, "I don't need a doctor to tell me that my child is not livestock. Please grace him with your acceptance or just go fark yourself."

Comma.

See, the comma needs to separate your two independent ideas, man. It's has to do with the structure of the sentence. It's called a compound sentence.

"Please grace him with your acceptance..." is a complete idea/thought.

"...just go fark yourself" is a complete idea/thought.

Two ideas put together=compound sentence=needs a coordinating conjunction and a comma.

Hence: "Please grace him with your acceptance, or just go fark yourself."

You're welcome.

Minus the "it's."

Heh.


I think grammar and spelling are highly over-rated; pronunciation, however, is very important.
 
2012-10-01 09:03:39 PM  
Apparently not being livestock makes you unable to transmit communicable diseases.
 
2012-10-01 09:03:52 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: A child needs a note about why they didnt get a vaccination but the child doesnt need a note about getting an abortion.


there you go again
 
2012-10-01 09:03:58 PM  
i877.photobucket.com
 
2012-10-01 09:07:47 PM  

404 page not found: So what you're really saying is that this is a troll thread.


play.esea.net
 
2012-10-01 09:12:36 PM  

shroom: jigger: shroom: jigger: cefm: The appropriate action would have been to stick with the original policy that has been on the books forever: if your little crotch-fruit isn't vaccinated they aren't allowed ot attend public schools. Period.

Go be a dirty hippie (or crazy vaccine-denier) somewhere else.

Public education is not a right. It's a privilege.

Maybe in your redneck state it's a privilege, but in mine it's considered a right and explicitly stated in the state Constitution: Illinois Constitution, Article X

So Illinois has no restrictions on who can attend?

Short answer: No.

Long answer: Basically you're required to be in school at least until you turn 16 (I think). That can be public, private, homeschool, whatever. If you get expelled from regular school, there are alternative schools.


So we round up all the unvaccinated kids and put them in a special school in each city. This school will supply the absolute bare minimum. Just class rooms. No extras like sports or other fun stuff. Kids will ride a short bus to their new school. Once a month a medical team visits that school and offers to vaccinate the kids. The parents will not be involved. Any child that opts for the vaccines is allowed to transfer to the regular school program onces the round of shots have been completed.

The only kids who get an excemption are the ones with a RECOGNIZED medical condition that prevents vaccination.

As for the parents who refuse for religious or hippy reasons. Fark 'em.
 
2012-10-01 09:19:02 PM  

badhatharry: Indubitably: Indubitably: Indubitably: badhatharry: badhatharry: Here is a note from me instead. It says I'm not giving you my money.

Oh, I thought this was about college students. I have a note from my mother. It says, "I don't need a doctor to tell me that my child is not livestock. Please grace him with your acceptance or just go fark yourself."

Comma.

See, the comma needs to separate your two independent ideas, man. It's has to do with the structure of the sentence. It's called a compound sentence.

"Please grace him with your acceptance..." is a complete idea/thought.

"...just go fark yourself" is a complete idea/thought.

Two ideas put together=compound sentence=needs a coordinating conjunction and a comma.

Hence: "Please grace him with your acceptance, or just go fark yourself."

You're welcome.

Minus the "it's."

Heh.

I think grammar and spelling are highly over-rated; pronunciation, however, is very important.


No dash.
 
2012-10-01 09:21:07 PM  

OgreMagi: shroom: jigger: shroom: jigger: cefm: The appropriate action would have been to stick with the original policy that has been on the books forever: if your little crotch-fruit isn't vaccinated they aren't allowed ot attend public schools. Period.

Go be a dirty hippie (or crazy vaccine-denier) somewhere else.

Public education is not a right. It's a privilege.

Maybe in your redneck state it's a privilege, but in mine it's considered a right and explicitly stated in the state Constitution: Illinois Constitution, Article X

So Illinois has no restrictions on who can attend?

Short answer: No.

Long answer: Basically you're required to be in school at least until you turn 16 (I think). That can be public, private, homeschool, whatever. If you get expelled from regular school, there are alternative schools.

So we round up all the unvaccinated kids and put them in a special school in each city. This school will supply the absolute bare minimum. Just class rooms. No extras like sports or other fun stuff. Kids will ride a short bus to their new school. Once a month a medical team visits that school and offers to vaccinate the kids. The parents will not be involved. Any child that opts for the vaccines is allowed to transfer to the regular school program onces the round of shots have been completed.

The only kids who get an excemption are the ones with a RECOGNIZED medical condition that prevents vaccination.

As for the parents who refuse for religious or hippy reasons. Fark 'em.


"Excemption?"

Is this the Three Stooges?

It's exemption.
 
2012-10-01 09:22:19 PM  

ciberido: 404 page not found: So what you're really saying is that this is a troll thread.

[play.esea.net image 496x602]


I like the cut of yer ghostly jib, minus the on-deck sexuality, that is.
 
2012-10-01 09:24:06 PM  

Indubitably: "Excemption?"

Is this the Three Stooges?


dlvpage.com
 
2012-10-01 09:28:46 PM  

OgreMagi: The parents will not be involved.


You'd first have to grant children the right to make their own healthcare decisions.
 
2012-10-01 09:32:54 PM  

TheDumbBlonde: GAT_00: Unvaccinated children should be banned from public schools. No exceptions.

What about undocumented unvaccinated children?


Pwn'd.
 
2012-10-01 09:35:53 PM  

oliass: If vaccinations work so well, why would you have to worry about non-vaccinated kids contaminating vaccinated kids?


Babby can't haz vax. Babby doesn't deserve to die to suit neighbours' antiscientific superstitions.
 
2012-10-01 09:37:59 PM  
vastrm.com
 
2012-10-01 09:52:55 PM  

Thisbymaster: Simple, require them to have vax in order to get into the school. And going to school is required my law, so there you have it.


Each student? That could take up a lot of space...

www.compaq.com
 
2012-10-01 10:22:38 PM  

ringersol: If you reject science and society to the point that you pass on *vaccinations*, how can you still be Ok with public school?


Because babysitters are, like, ten or twelve bucks an hour.
 
2012-10-01 10:49:54 PM  
I'd like to comment, but I am biased.
I helped raise a girlfriends baby from birth.
Happy giggling baby girl. Things were great until we got her last round of shots.
Within a week she would not make eye contact anymore.
Within two weeks she would have nothing to do with us, her demeanor changed so much that we took her in, but the doctors assured us she was fine. It was just less than one month when the full seizures began taking place. At that point they diagnosed her with Guillain Barre. Long story short, She died at 6 months old.


It was 5-8 years later that I began seeing the same story spoken out of other peoples mouths.
They seemed to think the immunizations had something to do with it. After looking into it further, It blew my mind that hundreds of others have had the exact same experience with the same timing after immunizations. So, yeah, my mind is blown.
 
2012-10-01 11:11:46 PM  

CapeFearCadaver: PsiChick: This originally made no sense, even though you're farkied in orange...

Why use orange? I love the color orange, it doesn't deserve this sort of abuse.

 

I use orange and yellow for Farkers who are a mix of good and bad, personally. So, for example, I might have someone Farkied as "harsh, mocking; but made good point, informative" and use orange to convey that mix.

The really weird ones are the ones that seem to contradict themselves, such as "homophobe; but lbgtq-friendly" or "misogynist but feminist." There's a surprising number of such paradoxes.
 
2012-10-01 11:21:31 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: But he once again shows his contempt for the people by banning a child from legally having more than 2 parents straight parents


FIFY
 
2012-10-01 11:28:20 PM  
Another reason we should all homeschool.
 
2012-10-01 11:28:41 PM  
As it stands this one of the silliest laws--it does nothing but infringe on one humans right as a defense against the infringement on human rights.

If your child, being vaccinated, attends a school full of children who have not been vaccinated, isn't yours safe from disease? So, how can you tell someone else that they have to vaccinate their child or have a doctor excuse the vaccination, when forcing you to not give one to your child or have a note from the school saying you have their permission to have your child vaccinated before attending would never fly because of it's clear infringement on your rights? You can't cure stupid with bureaucracy.
 
2012-10-01 11:38:32 PM  
Knock knock at your front door
It's the suede/denim secret police
They have come for your unvaxed niece!
 
2012-10-02 12:33:18 AM  

kutsuke: As it stands this one of the silliest laws--it does nothing but infringe on one humans right as a defense against the infringement on human rights.

If your child, being vaccinated, attends a school full of children who have not been vaccinated, isn't yours safe from disease? So, how can you tell someone else that they have to vaccinate their child or have a doctor excuse the vaccination, when forcing you to not give one to your child or have a note from the school saying you have their permission to have your child vaccinated before attending would never fly because of it's clear infringement on your rights? You can't cure stupid with bureaucracy.


If my child has an allergy to a vaccine, or is too young to be immunized, your unvaccinated-by-choice child is placing my child's health in jeopardy. Google "herd immunity" for more info.

You can't cure ANYTHING with stupidity.
 
2012-10-02 02:04:47 AM  

Tentacle: Knock knock at your front door
It's the suede/denim secret police
They have come for your unvaxed niece!


+1
 
2012-10-02 02:44:53 AM  

profplump: OgreMagi: The parents will not be involved.

You'd first have to grant children the right to make their own healthcare decisions.


Given the circumstances, they couldn't do worse than their parents.
 
2012-10-02 10:37:17 AM  

stickandmove: Thisbymaster: Simple, require them to have vax in order to get into the school. And going to school is required my law, so there you have it.

Each student? That could take up a lot of space...

[www.compaq.com image 300x307]


Darn, someone beat me to it. You've got my respect in nerd cred. Well played, sir!
 
2012-10-02 11:50:36 AM  

meat0918:

We all had the flu back the October when swine flu first hit. 105 temp for my oldest that landed him in the ER because we couldn't get the fever down, that was before my wife got the flu, so she was able to drive him while I tried to tend my youngest as best I could while I had it. I peaked at 103.5. My wife at 103. My youngest at 104.

The flu is not some 2 day bout of vomiting. I wanted to die, just to make it stop. I thought I was dying. I got a course of antibiotics too because I started getting better, then wham! Coughing up a bit of bloody sputum, the doc was worried about pneumonia setting in. I missed 9 days of work, including two weekends, so two weeks of being sick.

And then the cough stuck around. I didn't stop coughing until mid January.

We didn't get the flu shots for a few years because we had the flu. This year, we decided to essentially get a booster and the Tdap, because we are around a lot of vulnerable groups nowadays (volunteer work in the local community, plus lots of newborns in our circle of friends).


You are such a pussyfest.

I got the flu one time, two years ago, when H1N1 was all the rage. It wasn't great. I slept for 2 days, nipped bits of maple fudge from time to time for an energy source, had trouble finding enough energy to eat so I had to take a multivitamin but good luck with macronutrients from that. A little water in the mix.

105 is nice, I did that in high school, they sent me home. I told them I was fine. The flu got me to 104.

You're just like people who are afraid to eat medium-well steak because it's a little pink. Enjoy your stomach cancer from the charred meat (30% increase in cancer incidence YES!). I've missed on chicken twice (headaches from the salmonella) and I ate a rare hamburger that I had for a couple weeks and the meat was semi-rotten (the center was cool and creamy, THAT was painful.. 5 hours of bad stomach ache almost to tears, then I was fine).

Whole lotta hype about nothin'.
 
2012-10-02 01:12:48 PM  

newton: I'd like to comment, but I am biased.
I helped raise a girlfriends baby from birth.
Happy giggling baby girl. Things were great until we got her last round of shots.
Within a week she would not make eye contact anymore.
Within two weeks she would have nothing to do with us, her demeanor changed so much that we took her in, but the doctors assured us she was fine. It was just less than one month when the full seizures began taking place. At that point they diagnosed her with Guillain Barre. Long story short, She died at 6 months old.


It was 5-8 years later that I began seeing the same story spoken out of other peoples mouths.
They seemed to think the immunizations had something to do with it. After looking into it further, It blew my mind that hundreds of others have had the exact same experience with the same timing after immunizations. So, yeah, my mind is blown.


I'm very sorry for your loss.

Your story is not, however, a good argument against requiring vaccination.

In rare cases, Guillain-Barré may develop soon after vaccination, but a causal link has not established. Even if vaccination were linked to an increased risk, however, the incidence of Guillain-Barré is far, far lower than the incidence of measles, polio, pertussis, etc would be if the population were not vaccinated. As well, while Guillain-Barré is serious and has a death rate of 2-3%, most people do recover fully, unlike, say, those with polio. In other words, when you balance the risks of vaccinating against those of not vaccinating, vaccinating is overwhelmingly safer.

That is not a consolation when one of the rare exceptions is someone you love, but public policy shouldn't be based on such extremely rare tragedies.
 
2012-10-02 01:25:10 PM  
Came for the waxed students.

/Leaving disappointed.
 
2012-10-02 07:11:08 PM  

Indubitably: Benjimin_Dover: tenpoundsofcheese: A child needs a note about why they didnt get a vaccination but the child doesnt need a note about getting an abortion.

And they don't need to receive any information on the benefits and risks of it either. Information bad!

Seriously?

Get a room, cheap.


Just because you want to force women to have to read information before they get an abortion doesn't mean everybody else does.
 
2012-10-02 07:38:50 PM  

meat0918: Well, your posts are included in those that kept me continually going "Get boosters. Get boosters." until I finally did.

So there is that.


Thank you! That's wonderful to hear.

Phins: And why won't anyone do a study comparing autism rates in vaccinated vs. unvaccinated children hmmmm?


Which of these studies do they mean?
 
2012-10-03 06:34:44 PM  

Benjimin_Dover: Indubitably: Benjimin_Dover: tenpoundsofcheese: A child needs a note about why they didnt get a vaccination but the child doesnt need a note about getting an abortion.

And they don't need to receive any information on the benefits and risks of it either. Information bad!

Seriously?

Get a room, cheap.

Just because you want to force women to have to read information before they get an abortion doesn't mean everybody else does.


Thanks for clarifying for me.

P.S. I choose not to force women to do anything, you?
 
2012-10-04 06:53:46 PM  

Indubitably: Benjimin_Dover: Indubitably: Benjimin_Dover: tenpoundsofcheese: A child needs a note about why they didnt get a vaccination but the child doesnt need a note about getting an abortion.

And they don't need to receive any information on the benefits and risks of it either. Information bad!

Seriously?

Get a room, cheap.

Just because you want to force women to have to read information before they get an abortion doesn't mean everybody else does.

Thanks for clarifying for me.

P.S. I choose not to force women to do anything, you?


No. Nor men.
 
2012-10-04 08:33:04 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: A child needs a note about why they didnt get a vaccination but the child doesnt need a note about getting an abortion.


An abortion generally causes no harm to the patient and no harm to the population at large. Even when there is a complication, the risk of death is extremely low.

An unvaccinated child can cause harm to themselves and to the population at large. The risk of death with many of the diseases on school vaccination lists is moderate to high when infected.

If a 16 year-old child is responsible enough to drive a 6000lb SUV down the freeway at 75MPH by themselves, they're responsible enough to decide if they should get an abortion.
 
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