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2012-10-01 04:53:17 PM

BoxOfBees: First, many of the parents who refused vaccinations for their kids are already more educated than the school officials and lawmakers.

Second, many parents who refused vaccinations do so selectively, for the health of their children. Just like you wouldn't give your kid every medication under the son if you thought it was potentially harmful or unnecessary, so some parents treat vaccinations.

Third, the difference between the present and times past is that the number of required vaccinations are growing at a high rate. Why? Lack of critical thinking skills on the part of, well, everyone. Also, the power (and by power, I mean money) wielded by drug company lobbyists. You don't even need conspiracy theories to arrive at these conclusions.

/still thinks vaccines have their benefits and should be used appropriately


So what you're really saying is that this is a troll thread.
 
2012-10-01 04:54:54 PM

DamnYankees: This is like the third headline in 2 days to say "Governor Moonbeam does X" when all he did was sign a bill into law. Do people not think the CA legislature exists?


Evidently. Apparently, all Californians do is sit around smoking dope and collecting welfare, when we're not surfing or something.
 
2012-10-01 04:55:05 PM
To all the uninfrommed people in this thread, the US does not give the BCG vaccine. So pick a different pathogen instead of TB please.
 
2012-10-01 04:56:12 PM
A family friend's wife is one the anti-vaccination bandwagon. She's big into all natural remedies and insists that their son will never be vaccinated. Rather than argue he took the kid to a clinic across town and got all his shots done. As far as I know she still has no idea and everyone is happy and not dead from measles.

/I'm amazed their kid kept his mouth shut. I'm sure there was lots of bribing.
 
2012-10-01 04:56:20 PM
If vaccinations work so well, why would you have to worry about non-vaccinated kids contaminating vaccinated kids?
 
2012-10-01 04:57:13 PM

HeartBurnKid: "Swings back to sanity", subby? He's been the most stable, sane, and approachable governor California's had... well, since the last time he was governor.


This.

Also, "Governor Moonbeam" still? I guess he'll never live down his utterly ridiculous suggestion of using a satellite (*guffaw*) to ensure communication in the event of a statewide disaster.
 
2012-10-01 04:58:20 PM
Jerry Brown is far more sane than, say, oh, any Republican you can think of.
 
2012-10-01 04:58:25 PM
one of my cousins didn;t vaccinate her kid for anything.

next summer, they are going to India. with no plans to get any vaccinations.

*facepalm*
 
2012-10-01 04:58:58 PM
The gay therapy ban is a real slap in the face to the Mormon church.
A slap to Mittens.
 
2012-10-01 04:58:58 PM

Introitus: To all the uninfrommed people in this thread, the US does not give the BCG vaccine. So pick a different pathogen instead of TB please.


They do, but it's for bladder cancer, not TB.
 
2012-10-01 04:59:12 PM

fuhfuhfuh: tenpoundsofcheese: A child needs a note about why they didnt get a vaccination but the child doesnt need a note about getting an abortion.

So abortion is a transmittable disease, much like TB and smallpox. Good to know.


Requires a different set of shots, but Yeah!
 
2012-10-01 04:59:37 PM

mysticcat: FunkOut: Oh, you mean like a severe egg allergy that makes getting vaccines grown in eggs a bit of a problem?

I'm an allergist, so I see this not infrequently. Here's how I handle it: 1) Give the patient the vaccination.

That's it. Very simple.

Multiple studies show that even patients with documented true anaphylaxis to eggs can handle vaccinations. Despite this, many vaccine package inserts continue to say that it shouldn't be done. This is purely a CYA move due to all the litigious twatwaffles trolling for personal injury cases.


Commence mothers frothing at the mouth that know better calling you irresponsible and threatening to post your contact information on their respective blogs with an extra large title that says "CHILD MURDERER WORKS HERE!"
 
2012-10-01 04:59:39 PM

oliass: If vaccinations work so well, why would you have to worry about non-vaccinated kids contaminating vaccinated kids?


Here let me Google that for you.
 
2012-10-01 04:59:40 PM

dumbobruni: going to India. with n


That might be quite an adventure.
 
2012-10-01 05:00:22 PM

Introitus: To all the uninfrommed people in this thread, the US does not give the BCG vaccine. So pick a different pathogen instead of TB please.


I actually find the reasoning behind that interesting, too. It's a mix of A) The fact that the TB vaccine isn't super-effective (40, 50% ish?)
B) TB isn't currently too present in this country. Which, you would think "Well, we should vaccinate anyways!", but
C) The TB vaccine makes you test positive on the cheapest, easiest TB Test... in other words, in areas where TB is low, the TB vaccine actually makes it *harder* to detect actual carriers of TB.

One of the few cases where I understand the fact that we're not vaccinating folks.
 
2012-10-01 05:00:38 PM
A doctor almost didn't get paid. Phew. That was close.
 
2012-10-01 05:01:01 PM

common sense is an oxymoron: tenpoundsofcheese: A child needs a note about why they didnt get a vaccination but the child doesnt need a note about getting an abortion.

When getting an abortion results in spontaneous miscarriages among innocent passersby, you'll have a valid comparison. Until then, you're ten pounds of derp in a five-pound bag.


Given your name, I just assume you are trolling since you obviously missed the point
 
2012-10-01 05:01:33 PM

DamnYankees: This is like the third headline in 2 days to say "Governor Moonbeam does X" when all he did was sign a bill into law. Do people not think the CA legislature exists?


No, we just put up a mental block just like most trauma victims do so we don't have to think about it.

WizardofToast: HeartBurnKid: "Swings back to sanity", subby? He's been the most stable, sane, and approachable governor California's had... well, since the last time he was governor.

Jerry Brown was a bit crappy on his first go. So far he's doing a bit better.


You do realize that he's called Governor Moonbeam because he had the clearly insane idea that California should invest in a communications satellite. Because yeah, satellite communications turned out to be a total boondoggle.

Also, California had a budget *surplus* of about $5 billion by the time Jerry left office the first time; far better than Saint Ronnie or any other Governor of California since left in the state treasury.
 
2012-10-01 05:01:35 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: But he once again shows his contempt for the people by banning a child from legally having more than 2 parents


tenpoundsofcheese: A child needs a note about why they didnt get a vaccination but the child doesnt need a note about getting an abortion.


tenpoundsofcheese: ddam: tenpoundsofcheese: A child needs a note about why they didnt get a vaccination but the child doesnt need a note about getting an abortion.

Do you try to be this stupid every day or do it come naturally?

You either believe it is your body and can do what you want or not. Can't have it both ways.


ok I get it finally I see it now!

You're the door that always tells a lie. 

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2012-10-01 05:01:54 PM

oliass: If vaccinations work so well, why would you have to worry about non-vaccinated kids contaminating vaccinated kids?


Because there's such a thing as a viral threshold? Because even the vaccines can get overwhelmed?

that's like saying "If your dams and levees work so well, why should you have to worry about me blowing up the hoover dam upstream?"
 
2012-10-01 05:02:39 PM

BoxOfBees: First, many of the parents who refused vaccinations for their kids are already more educated than the school officials and lawmakers.

Second, many parents who refused vaccinations do so selectively, for the health of their children. Just like you wouldn't give your kid every medication under the son if you thought it was potentially harmful or unnecessary, so some parents treat vaccinations.

Third, the difference between the present and times past is that the number of required vaccinations are growing at a high rate. Why? Lack of critical thinking skills on the part of, well, everyone. Also, the power (and by power, I mean money) wielded by drug company lobbyists. You don't even need conspiracy theories to arrive at these conclusions.

/still thinks vaccines have their benefits and should be used appropriately


First, they're not more educated about medicine than physicians, otherwise they'd vaccinate their freaking children. A little knowledge is very dangerous.

Second, selective vaccination does nothing to reduce the risk to your child. It only increases the risk of infection for him or her and also his or her classmates.

Third, the number of vaccinations is growing because we have more vaccines that work. Your immune system sees log orders more pathogens every single day than are contained in the entire recommended vaccination series. Drug company lobbyists are scumbags, but they don't set vaccine schedules, physicians do.

/board certified in allergy and immunology
 
2012-10-01 05:02:54 PM

oliass: If vaccinations work so well, why would you have to worry about non-vaccinated kids contaminating vaccinated kids?


Oh, also, because some people have poor immune systems/the vaccine simply doesn't take. Or are too young to get vaccinated.

Plus, providing a MASSIVE BREEDING GROUND for disease makes it far, far easier for one to mutate and get *around* the vaccine.
 
2012-10-01 05:03:06 PM
He vetoed bills including one that would have let judges declare that some California children have more than two legal parents

Nightmare legislation right there. Thank you Jerry. Who the fark thought this would ever be a good idea????
 
2012-10-01 05:03:28 PM

404 page not found: tenpoundsofcheese: ddam: tenpoundsofcheese: A child needs a note about why they didnt get a vaccination but the child doesnt need a note about getting an abortion.

Do you try to be this stupid every day or do it come naturally?

You either believe it is your body and can do what you want or not. Can't have it both ways.

Public health.


So let's ban all smoking outdoors in public or in a persons home since innocent people may inhale
Let's also ban drinking since innocent people get injured in bar fights or by drunk drivers
 
2012-10-01 05:03:31 PM

oliass: If vaccinations work so well, why would you have to worry about non-vaccinated kids contaminating vaccinated kids?


Herd immunity.
 
2012-10-01 05:03:32 PM

To The Escape Zeppelin!: A family friend's wife is one the anti-vaccination bandwagon. She's big into all natural remedies and insists that their son will never be vaccinated. Rather than argue he took the kid to a clinic across town and got all his shots done. As far as I know she still has no idea and everyone is happy and not dead from measles.

/I'm amazed their kid kept his mouth shut. I'm sure there was lots of bribing.


I wonder at what age a child can request vaccination against their parent's wishes.

What happens when Little Suzie goes to visit her dad for the summer and comes back with a full set of vaccinations? Which parent gets to file child endangerment charges against the other?
 
2012-10-01 05:03:34 PM

AbbeySomeone: Because People in power are Stupid: DamnYankees: How does this violate federal law?

First amendment rights, yo. The freedom of artistic expression.

In many states you can claim religious, personal or other reasons for exemptions to vaccinations.


Vaccines cause artism.
 
2012-10-01 05:03:36 PM

jigger: A doctor almost didn't get paid. Phew. That was close.


¡Obama!
 
2012-10-01 05:04:43 PM

oliass: If vaccinations work so well, why would you have to worry about non-vaccinated kids contaminating vaccinated kids?


Seriously?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herd_immunity
 
2012-10-01 05:05:02 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: A child needs a note about why they didnt get a vaccination but the child doesnt need a note about getting an abortion.


Yes. And that is, in fact, completely reasonable.

We don't need kids running around unvaccinated.

And we don't need kids having babies.
 
2012-10-01 05:05:03 PM
When I moved to California in 1984, this was the law of the land. It wasn't enforced well at all, btw, because schools have more incentive to place a kid than to make sure his medical history is in order. District Administrators/Superintendants are in league with the devil.
 
2012-10-01 05:05:31 PM

Fark Rye For Many Whores: ...Jerry Brown is governor again!? This really happen?!


You really missed all that in 2010? There were many good Fark threads on the campaign, and he had arguably the best "Oh Snap!" campaign ad of the last 20 years.
 
2012-10-01 05:05:35 PM
I love how morons like Bachmann have tried to make this into a "left vs. right issue". I can see some poor kid getting some 19th century disease because his dipshiat parents wanted to "stick it to the libs".

farking morons.
 
2012-10-01 05:05:39 PM

Shenanigans!: meat0918: Target won't give the shot to kids

If you want to get flu shots for your kids, their pediatrician or family doctor should be able to do it. All kids 6 months and older can get the shot. If they're 8 or under, they have to get two doses 28 days apart for it to be fully effective, but they can still get it. Depending on your insurance plan, you may not even have to pay for the shots under the new Obamacare changes. Good luck!


Oh, I know that. The school will give them too, I just need to sign the waiver. I did not have to pay out of pocket for my shots, the premiums I pay covered it.

We all had the flu back the October when swine flu first hit. 105 temp for my oldest that landed him in the ER because we couldn't get the fever down, that was before my wife got the flu, so she was able to drive him while I tried to tend my youngest as best I could while I had it. I peaked at 103.5. My wife at 103. My youngest at 104.

The flu is not some 2 day bout of vomiting. I wanted to die, just to make it stop. I thought I was dying. I got a course of antibiotics too because I started getting better, then wham! Coughing up a bit of bloody sputum, the doc was worried about pneumonia setting in. I missed 9 days of work, including two weekends, so two weeks of being sick.

And then the cough stuck around. I didn't stop coughing until mid January.

We didn't get the flu shots for a few years because we had the flu. This year, we decided to essentially get a booster and the Tdap, because we are around a lot of vulnerable groups nowadays (volunteer work in the local community, plus lots of newborns in our circle of friends).
 
2012-10-01 05:05:43 PM
Governor Moonbeam is far saner than any of the past few clowns we've elected as governor.
 
2012-10-01 05:05:49 PM

BoxOfBees: First, many of the parents who refused vaccinations for their kids are already more educated than the school officials and lawmakers.

Second, many parents who refused vaccinations do so selectively, for the health of their children. Just like you wouldn't give your kid every medication under the son if you thought it was potentially harmful or unnecessary, so some parents treat vaccinations.

Third, the difference between the present and times past is that the number of required vaccinations are growing at a high rate. Why? Lack of critical thinking skills on the part of, well, everyone. Also, the power (and by power, I mean money) wielded by drug company lobbyists. You don't even need conspiracy theories to arrive at these conclusions.

/still thinks vaccines have their benefits and should be used appropriately


I didn't realize the CDC was staffed with school officials and lawmakers. Hmm..... Also didn't realize how many parents are more educated than their kids pediatrician. Lots of Doctors out there!!

/please be a troll. Because if not ...
 
2012-10-01 05:06:21 PM

Shenanigans!: meat0918: Target won't give the shot to kids

If you want to get flu shots for your kids, their pediatrician or family doctor should be able to do it. All kids 6 months and older can get the shot. If they're 8 or under, they have to get two doses 28 days apart for it to be fully effective, but they can still get it. Depending on your insurance plan, you may not even have to pay for the shots under the new Obamacare changes. Good luck!


You assume that people have a pediatrician or family doctor. Many poorer families don't.
 
2012-10-01 05:06:51 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: 404 page not found: tenpoundsofcheese: ddam: tenpoundsofcheese: A child needs a note about why they didnt get a vaccination but the child doesnt need a note about getting an abortion.

Do you try to be this stupid every day or do it come naturally?

You either believe it is your body and can do what you want or not. Can't have it both ways.

Public health.

So let's ban all smoking outdoors in public or in a persons home since innocent people may inhale
Let's also ban drinking since innocent people get injured in bar fights or by drunk drivers


We're talking about infectious diseases here, buddy. I realize that it's way above your pay grade. Maybe go read a book. You know, them things with paper inside them.
 
2012-10-01 05:07:25 PM

BoxOfBees: First, many of the parents who refused vaccinations for their kids are already more educated than the school officials and lawmakers.

Second, many parents who refused vaccinations do so selectively, for the health of their children. Just like you wouldn't give your kid every medication under the son if you thought it was potentially harmful or unnecessary, so some parents treat vaccinations.

Third, the difference between the present and times past is that the number of required vaccinations are growing at a high rate. Why? Lack of critical thinking skills on the part of, well, everyone. Also, the power (and by power, I mean money) wielded by drug company lobbyists. You don't even need conspiracy theories to arrive at these conclusions.

/still thinks vaccines have their benefits and should be used appropriately


So you're saying that both sides are bad so rub one out to Jenny Mccarthy?
 
2012-10-01 05:08:15 PM

MrEricSir: Governor Moonbeam is far saner than any of the past few clowns we've elected as governor.


Bankruptcy and possible insolvency has a way of sobering the worst of idiots.
 
2012-10-01 05:09:42 PM

GAT_00: Unvaccinated children should be banned from public schools. No exceptions.


Why .........are you thinking that the vaccines don`t work......
 
2012-10-01 05:09:46 PM

BoxOfBees: First, many of the parents who refused vaccinations for their kids are already more educated than the school officials and lawmakers.

Second, many parents who refused vaccinations do so selectively, for the health of their children. Just like you wouldn't give your kid every medication under the son if you thought it was potentially harmful or unnecessary, so some parents treat vaccinations.

Third, the difference between the present and times past is that the number of required vaccinations are growing at a high rate. Why? Lack of critical thinking skills on the part of, well, everyone. Also, the power (and by power, I mean money) wielded by drug company lobbyists. You don't even need conspiracy theories to arrive at these conclusions.

/still thinks vaccines have their benefits and should be used appropriately


You might not need a conspiracy theory, but you do need a sharp blow to the head.
 
2012-10-01 05:11:37 PM
The appropriate action would have been to stick with the original policy that has been on the books forever: if your little crotch-fruit isn't vaccinated they aren't allowed ot attend public schools. Period.

Go be a dirty hippie (or crazy vaccine-denier) somewhere else.
 
2012-10-01 05:13:24 PM
Waiver? Should be arrested.

Not sure why creating a threat to the population isn't taken a little more seriously.
 
2012-10-01 05:13:34 PM

BoxOfBees: First, many of the parents who refused vaccinations for their kids are already more educated than the school officials and lawmakers.


Let's find out how many of those more educated parents have medical degrees. Otherwise, a stay at home mom with a Masters in English isn't in any better position to talk about vaccines.

Second, many parents who refused vaccinations do so selectively, for the health of their children. Just like you wouldn't give your kid every medication under the son if you thought it was potentially harmful or unnecessary, so some parents treat vaccinations.

Again, using what information? Would a doctor do this for his or her own children?

Third, the difference between the present and times past is that the number of required vaccinations are growing at a high rate. Why? Lack of critical thinking skills on the part of, well, everyone. Also, the power (and by power, I mean money) wielded by drug company lobbyists. You don't even need conspiracy theories to arrive at these conclusions.

Are then all doctors just shills of the drug company lobbyists? And what about in countries where healthcare is provided and vaccines are not money makers? It couldn't possibly be that recent medical knowledge regarding certain diseases has changed the positon on what vaccines children should receive.

/still thinks vaccines have their benefits and should be used appropriately

And parents are the best to determine what is appropriate in this case? Maybe not so much.
 
2012-10-01 05:14:07 PM
http://skeptoid.com/episodes/4180 - Vaccine Ingredients
Do vaccines really contain the horrifying poisons claimed by antivaccine activists?

Link
Link Podcast Link


http://skeptoid.com/episodes/4055 - Mercury, Autism, and Chelation: A Recipe for Risk

An examination of the lethal pop-culture fad of chelating autistic children.


Link
Link Podcast Link

Pen and Tellers Bullshiat: Vaccine Episode. The follow link is the entire Episode.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b0IvM8c-Pew

Link
 
2012-10-01 05:14:16 PM

cefm: The appropriate action would have been to stick with the original policy that has been on the books forever: if your little crotch-fruit isn't vaccinated they aren't allowed ot attend public schools. Period.

Go be a dirty hippie (or crazy vaccine-denier) somewhere else.


Let's put them in Red Shirts so that the rest of us can keep our kids away from Ensign Vector.
 
2012-10-01 05:15:27 PM

cefm: The appropriate action would have been to stick with the original policy that has been on the books forever: if your little crotch-fruit isn't vaccinated they aren't allowed ot attend public schools. Period.

Go be a dirty hippie (or crazy vaccine-denier) somewhere else.


Public education is not a right. It's a privilege.
 
2012-10-01 05:16:11 PM

jigger: A doctor almost didn't get paid. Phew. That was close.


Obviously you are not a doctor. Pediatricians lose money on almost all vaccines. They are required and the Pharm companies set prices. Then the insurance companies only compensate cost of shot. Not the cost of administration, supplies, and storage of shots.
Apparently, doctors are not in it for the money.
Plus, around here, anyone can go the shot bus and get their immunizations free.
 
2012-10-01 05:16:17 PM
As someone who is allergic to the Whooping Cough vaccination (one of those 1 / 500,000 reaction kind of things) and thus is forced to rely on 'herd immunity' to avoid getting sick, idiots voluntarily not vaccinating their kids terrifies me.

You aren't just putting your own kid at risk, you're putting at even more risk those of us who don't have a choice to be at risk or not.
 
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