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2012-10-01 10:25:32 AM  
I remember something similar happening in the late 1990's. I think it was United had duct taped down a row seats which came loose upon takeoff. Anyway, some woman ended up suing becasue she had to sit there with her legs up in the air until the aircraft leveled out.
 
2012-10-01 11:28:46 AM  
This is the latest in a string of recent problems for American Airlines. Maintenance and employee issues have led to significant delays and cancellations in recent weeks.

ABC News reported last month that the airline was forced to delay nearly 40 percent of its flights, with most forced to be late or even cancelled by an "unprecedented and very significant" increase in maintenance issues. The airline blamed the pilots, who it claimed were calling out sick 20 percent more than normal.


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2012-10-01 11:30:45 AM  

Theaetetus: This is the latest in a string of recent problems for American Airlines. Maintenance and employee issues have led to significant delays and cancellations in recent weeks.

ABC News reported last month that the airline was forced to delay nearly 40 percent of its flights, with most forced to be late or even cancelled by an "unprecedented and very significant" increase in maintenance issues. The airline blamed the pilots, who it claimed were calling out sick 20 percent more than normal.

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I... what? That doesn't even make sense. How could the pilots calling in sick more screw up MAINTENANCE? I don't think they're doing the repair on the planes themselves!
 
2012-10-01 11:32:02 AM  
Guys, we should support them. After all, they lost some of their crew and fleet on 9/11. Everybody fly American this year, for America!
 
2012-10-01 11:35:25 AM  
"The union says it has nothing to do with this".
Really? The unions no longer are responsible for maintenance???
 
2012-10-01 11:38:37 AM  

GoldDude: "The union says it has nothing to do with this".
Really? The unions no longer are responsible for maintenance???


this!
 
2012-10-01 11:42:45 AM  
I hope they tighten the bolts that hold the wings and engines on on a regular basis.
 
2012-10-01 11:49:02 AM  

GoldDude: "The union says it has nothing to do with this".
Really? The unions no longer are responsible for maintenance???


pilots =/= mechanics
 
2012-10-01 11:52:16 AM  

Felgraf: Theaetetus: This is the latest in a string of recent problems for American Airlines. Maintenance and employee issues have led to significant delays and cancellations in recent weeks.

ABC News reported last month that the airline was forced to delay nearly 40 percent of its flights, with most forced to be late or even cancelled by an "unprecedented and very significant" increase in maintenance issues. The airline blamed the pilots, who it claimed were calling out sick 20 percent more than normal.

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I... what? That doesn't even make sense. How could the pilots calling in sick more screw up MAINTENANCE? I don't think they're doing the repair on the planes themselves!


Bad reporting by ABC -- the issue of the pilots calling in sick is completely independent of the maintenance issues, and should not have been treated as one and the same. There are actually two separate issues causing these cancellations -- pilots calling in sick, as well as an increase of "mechanical" cancellations.

With respect to the second issue, a pilot has the unilateral authority as to whether a plane flies or whether it is cancelled due to mechanical issues. It is believed that many cancellations made by AA in recent weeks have been as a direct retaliation to the cancellation of the pilots' contract through the bankruptcy process, rather than as a result of legitimate mechanical issues that would have rendered the plane unflyable.
 
2012-10-01 12:02:29 PM  

happyleper: With respect to the second issue, a pilot has the unilateral authority as to whether a plane flies or whether it is cancelled due to mechanical issues. It is believed that many cancellations made by AA in recent weeks have been as a direct retaliation to the cancellation of the pilots' contract through the bankruptcy process, rather than as a result of legitimate mechanical issues that would have rendered the plane unflyable.


doubt it's entirely illegitimate just more oh, that light it burnt out? FAA rules say that has to be looked at

I mean if AA gets made at pilots for enforcing FAA safety rules they would get a lot of yolk on their face
 
2012-10-01 12:03:46 PM  

swaniefrmreddeer: Goddamnit, my last green had a spelling error and the powers that be left it, not fair.


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2012-10-01 12:06:18 PM  

happyleper: Bad reporting by ABC -- the issue of the pilots calling in sick is completely independent of the maintenance issues, and should not have been treated as one and the same. There are actually two separate issues causing these cancellations -- pilots calling in sick, as well as an increase of "mechanical" cancellations.


This makes sense. A 20% increase in 'sick calls' shouldn't result in a delay of 40% of flights; the company should be large enough that it has enough spare pilots to keep planes on time short of an epidemic(which would increase sick calls a lot more than 20%).

Bogus maintenance writeups would indeed be an issue, however it looks like somebody failed to write something up in this case, not report something bogus.
 
2012-10-01 12:07:04 PM  
www.2blowhards.com

and flying up-side down had nothing to do with it...
 
2012-10-01 12:08:30 PM  
noo what did the stewardesses sit down on? oh wait they don't
so it's safe to stand while flying
 
2012-10-01 12:11:58 PM  
Great.

Now the TSA is going to start restricting the carry-on and use of impact wrenches in Coach.

Thanks a lot American Airlines!
 
2012-10-01 12:15:22 PM  

Theaetetus: This is the latest in a string of recent problems for American Airlines. Maintenance and employee issues have led to significant delays and cancellations in recent weeks.

ABC News reported last month that the airline was forced to delay nearly 40 percent of its flights, with most forced to be late or even cancelled by an "unprecedented and very significant" increase in maintenance issues. The airline blamed the pilots, who it claimed were calling out sick 20 percent more than normal.

[www.thejayatkinsdiet.com image 300x151]


Yeah, unfortunately, I experienced that first hand during a recent business trip. My company setup the travel arrangements.

It was by far the worst travel experience I've had in 20 years.
 
2012-10-01 12:15:43 PM  

EnviroDude: GoldDude: "The union says it has nothing to do with this".
Really? The unions no longer are responsible for maintenance???

this!


Y'all realize that pilots and mechanics belong to separate unions, yes?
 
2012-10-01 12:16:26 PM  

Firethorn: This makes sense. A 20% increase in 'sick calls' shouldn't result in a delay of 40% of flights; the company should be large enough that it has enough spare pilots to keep planes on time short of an epidemic(which would increase sick calls a lot more than 20%).


it could, cascading failure and FAA hour limits
Max a pilot can do is 100hrs a month. Most airlines put their pilots pretty close to the limit. If each pilot does an avg of say 80hrs , than it takes 4 pilots putting in an extra 20hours to make up for one pilot being off sick.
So if you have 100 pilots, and 20 miss their full 80 hours, say do 60 hours instead, that leaves an extra 400 hours, or 5 hours each for the other 80 pilots to pick up pushing them to 85 hours a month. Planes often are delayed or storms pop up making flights longer. It would be easy for other pilots to hit their daily (8hr) limit and add more time to be picked up by other pilots.

Also, because it's my favorite gif of all time, the wikipedia gif for cascading failure:
upload.wikimedia.org
 
2012-10-01 12:34:33 PM  
I blame the fatties.
 
2012-10-01 12:40:42 PM  
My money is on covert US Airways agents sabotaging them to get a better deal on the merger if they can make AA look worse. Alternately, AA employees trying to scuttle the deal because they're afraid of being laid off or having their contracts invalidated in the merger.
 
2012-10-01 12:52:38 PM  
So...I'm not even sure what happened here, although I read the story twice and watched the video.

Did the seats "come loose"? Did they fall over or move to the side? Did the plane hit a bump and the passengers banged their heads on the ceiling? All anyone is saying is the seats were "unbolted" and nobody was hurt...so what's the problem? They moved the passengers to other seats, which tells me the plane was doing okay.

Anyone know what really happened?
 
2012-10-01 01:06:56 PM  

happyleper:

With respect to the second issue, a pilot has the unilateral authority as to whether a plane flies or whether it is cancelled due to mechanical issues. It is believed that many cancellations made by AA in recent weeks have been as a direct retaliation to the cancellation of the pilots' contract through the bankruptcy process, rather than as a result of legitimate mechanical issues that would have rendered the plane unflyable.


CSB time. Flew with the family to Chitown for a long weekend via AA (Mrs. IamSoSmart_S_M_R_T hadn't been paying attention to the looming pilot issue when she booked the flights). Outbound was the same flight, with no real issues but we took separate flights on the return portion (due to logistical issues) that were originally scheduled an hour apart. AA ended up changing the gate and then delaying my flight an hour, stating that our pilot was late coming in from La Guardia, because that flight was delayed. Now tack on another 45 minutes AFTER that for the crew to actually arrive and for us to taxi and takeoff, so wheels up was almost 2 hours delayed. Frustrating to see your plane literally sitting at the gate for hours for wont of a flight crew.

Wife's flight was supposed to leave on time but the pilot said they couldn't get the cabin door shut electronically, and the mechanical override wouldn't work, which is a "no fly" issue. Passengers sit for 30 min or so before the mechanic shows up. Mechanic pulls the cockpit door closed....took all of 2 seconds. Nice phantom maintenance issue Mr. Pilot.

So, over 2 hours of delays because the pilots aren't happy with the airline. While I feel for the pilots (AA corp mgmt sucks), fark them for this bullshiat cat and mouse game. Traveling with a 3 and 5 yr old sucks ass enough as it is, let alone compounding it with bullshiat delays.

/CSB
//First World Problems
///Fark AA
 
2012-10-01 02:35:45 PM  
There were actually 3 unused seats to move the passengers to?!?!?
 
2012-10-01 02:49:28 PM  

JMcDub: There were actually 3 unused seats to move the passengers to?!?!?


This. I am flabbergasted such a situation exists on any domestic flight. Unless they strapped passengers down to the floor -- coming soon to a cash-strapped bankrupt airline near you.
 
2012-10-01 02:55:18 PM  
I know... they show cut more maintenance personnel.
 
2012-10-01 02:56:05 PM  
*should cut


/stupid fark and the no editing your comment shiat
 
2012-10-01 03:09:23 PM  
Didn't they already close the heavy maintenance facility at Ft Worth and outsource all of the maintenance for the 757, 767, 777, to South America?
 
2012-10-01 03:21:51 PM  

minoridiot: I think it was United had duct taped down a row seats which came loose upon takeoff.


If it's United, you should be lucky that they had a plane for your scheduled flight in the first place.
 
2012-10-01 04:54:11 PM  

sdd2000: GoldDude: "The union says it has nothing to do with this".
Really? The unions no longer are responsible for maintenance???

pilots =/= mechanics


They've been outsourcing maintenance.
 
2012-10-01 05:19:30 PM  

Amishrabbit: JMcDub: There were actually 3 unused seats to move the passengers to?!?!?

This. I am flabbergasted such a situation exists on any domestic flight. Unless they strapped passengers down to the floor -- coming soon to a cash-strapped bankrupt airline near you.


Exactly. It used to be that a completely full flight was rare. These days, almost every flight I take is 100% full.
 
2012-10-02 02:52:51 AM  

Jument: Amishrabbit: JMcDub: There were actually 3 unused seats to move the passengers to?!?!?

This. I am flabbergasted such a situation exists on any domestic flight. Unless they strapped passengers down to the floor -- coming soon to a cash-strapped bankrupt airline near you.

Exactly. It used to be that a completely full flight was rare. These days, almost every flight I take is 100% full.


They sell tickets to people who don't know they're on the no-fly list yet as a contingency for situations like this.
 
2012-10-02 07:34:16 AM  
My wife was on an Aeroflot flight where the seat wasn't attached. The crew shrugged it off. Wife also got accused of stealing one of the knifes from the meal.
 
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