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2012-10-01 11:24:41 AM
According to the article, the kid did literally start chewing on him. Kid has become a zombie and the gym teacher is possibly infected, shoot them both to be sure before it spreads! Make sure the kid's parents are included, they've probably also been bitten!


It may sound extreme, but it's the only way to make sure we're all safe.

Nobody will be safe once the Zombie Apocalypse has started :[
 
2012-10-01 11:27:19 AM
Webster, who played tailback for upstate Morrisville State College

Probably most of the damage had already been done by his football playing days.
 
2012-10-01 11:27:46 AM
All teachers should be issued a Taser Jr. on the day before school starts, and encouraged to use it.

\that li'l farker will be bit more docile after a few electrically-induced seizures...
 
2012-10-01 11:35:57 AM
All teachers should be issued a Taser Jr. on the day before school starts, and encouraged to use it.

\that li'l farker will be bit more docile after a few electrically-induced seizures...


Especially considering Tasers can cause sudden Cardiac Arrest in those under its effects!

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/244968.php

Tasers, also known as stun guns, can cause sudden cardiac arrest and death, researchers from Indiana University School of Medicine reported in the journal Circulation. Sudden cardiac arrest is when the heart suddenly, unexpectedly stops beating; the patient stops breathing and loses consciousness.

That'll show these out of control kids. Shape up or we'll risk killing you!

Remember, it hurts us more than it hurts you and we do it because we love you!
 
2012-10-01 11:36:08 AM

Masta Kronix: When you cant hit back or restrain him in any meaningful way, it can add up, so it's plausible.

Try again, snowflake, or parent of snowflake.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporal_punishment

Corporal punishment of minors within domestic settings is lawful in all 50 of the United States and, according to a 2000 survey, is widely approved by parents.[2] It has been officially outlawed in 32 countries.[3]

Man I wonder how all those adults in those 32 countries where Corporal Punishment has been outlawed manage to keep control of their children without being able to resort to striking them back or corporal punishment?

Hmmmmmmm ....... I wonder?


It's not just corporal punishment but the litigious nature of our society, particularly in the school system, that kind of limits how much physical interaction teachers have with children for fear of job loss and lawsuits.

I used to work with severely mentally ill children. By that I mean there were 5 year olds who were in many cases homicidal. Children can be strong, difficult to control and extremely destructive. I have martial arts training...just as in martial arts they warn you to be wary of trying to control a drunk person? Well, children are just as uninhibited and impossible to control. It didn't matter, because if a child got out of control our institutional policy was to get yourself and anyone in physical danger the fark away from the kid and wait for a team of trained professionals to restrain the child. For legal purposes all other employees were supposed to be hands off.

Just imagine that policy translated to the schools? Big football playing school teacher should have run away...but there was no support team there to restrain his terror of a student and de-escalate the situation. Frankly it's the idiot parents faults for not getting the kid proper treatment. It sounds like they took the kid to a medical doctor and got him hopped up on ritalin, but that's probably not what he needs. *sigh*
 
2012-10-01 11:56:15 AM
This Corporal Punishment guy sounds liek a real badass.

I wonder if they can get him to speak at this school?
 
2012-10-01 11:57:41 AM
It's not just corporal punishment but the litigious nature of our society, particularly in the school system, that kind of limits how much physical interaction teachers have with children for fear of job loss and lawsuits.


Please show how American teachers are more limited in how they are allowed to physically interact with their students than teachers in countries where Corporal Punishment is outlawed and other laws protecting children rights are in the law books and upheld?

I used to work with severely mentally ill children. By that I mean there were 5 year olds who were in many cases homicidal. Children can be strong, difficult to control and extremely destructive.


I agree and that's why children with special needs should be taught by professionals who understand their conditions and how to properly handle their needs.

I have martial arts training...just as in martial arts they warn you to be wary of trying to control a drunk person? Well, children are just as uninhibited and impossible to control.


Drunk people and special needs children are not even remotely the same in how they behave or react to situations?

Why would you even compare the two?

It didn't matter, because if a child got out of control our institutional policy was to get yourself and anyone in physical danger the fark away from the kid and wait for a team of trained professionals to restrain the child. For legal purposes all other employees were supposed to be hands off.


That sounds about right. You work with special needs children, you understand there are risks involved? Don't want the risks, don't take the job?

Again I don't know if this is really how it works, I'm taking your word for it, but that sounds about right. Trained professionals who know how to effectively handle the situation would be needed it stands to reason.

Just imagine that policy translated to the schools? Big football playing school teacher should have run away...but there was no support team there to restrain his terror of a student and de-escalate the situation. Frankly it's the idiot parents faults for not getting the kid proper treatment. It sounds like they took the kid to a medical doctor and got him hopped up on ritalin, but that's probably not what he needs. *sigh*


Why are you assuming this 6 year old was a "special needs" student who went out of control?

How do you know the teacher and doctor aren't blowing the allegations and injuries out of proportion in order to beef up their lawsuit?

It happens all the time and don't be so naive to believe doctors don't get a % of suits through client referrals to their clinics from law firms who handle personal injury cases.

We're assuming, First off that a 1st grader went successful "retard strength" on this 220 lbs. teacher causing serious physical and mental damage causing him to need months of recovery before he will be able to return to teaching.

And we're backing that assertion up with the fact that you believe in America, the limitations on physical interaction between teachers and students in schools has created an atmosphere where children attack teachers and there helpless to do anything about it. So since this atmosphere exists, it's completely plausible that this 220 lbs. ex-college football player was assaulted to such an extent, that his physical and mental injuries warrant months of paid leave to recover.

That about sum it up?
 
2012-10-01 11:59:52 AM

UberDave: That first grader is the most foul, cruel, and bad-tempered kid you ever set eyes on. He's got a vicious streak a mile wide! He's a killer!


He's got teeth like...he can leap about...LOOK AT THE BONES
 
2012-10-01 12:02:59 PM
Is it completely out of the realm of possibility that this child was being abused by the teacher/staff and was acting out against them?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/25/parents-wire-kids_n_1453900. h tml

Teachers hurled insults like "bastard," "tard," "damn dumb" and "a hippo in a ballerina suit." A bus driver threatened to slap one child, while a bus monitor told another, "Shut up, you little dog."
 
2012-10-01 12:03:58 PM

Masta Kronix: When you cant hit back or restrain him in any meaningful way, it can add up, so it's plausible.

Try again, snowflake, or parent of snowflake.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporal_punishment

Corporal punishment of minors within domestic settings is lawful in all 50 of the United States and, according to a 2000 survey, is widely approved by parents.[2] It has been officially outlawed in 32 countries.[3]

Man I wonder how all those adults in those 32 countries where Corporal Punishment has been outlawed manage to keep control of their children without being able to resort to striking them back or corporal punishment?

Hmmmmmmm ....... I wonder?


Who says there aren't little monsters in these countries, hmmmmmm?
 
2012-10-01 12:08:52 PM
It's almost as if even kids are human beings and have reasons for their actions.

Reasons we may not always understand and reasons that the children themselves may not fully grasp or understand because ya know their kids, but reasons non the less that are real to them and physically punishing them or forcefully physically controlling them leads to the naturally occurring human phenomenon of defending oneself from a percieved attack. Whether your a child or an adult, somebody striking you or physically trying to restrain you is not a pleasant experience and is perceived as an act of hostility.

But nawww kids are farking crazy and uncontrollable.
 
2012-10-01 12:11:13 PM
Who says there aren't little monsters in these countries, hmmmmmm?


Well then I guess the onus on finding said monsters in said countries and showing how these little monsters resulted from the lack of physical interaction allowed between teachers and "trouble" students is on you then isn't it?
 
2012-10-01 12:15:20 PM
I've already managed to show children acting out due to abuse in the school and not because their "little monsters".

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/25/parents-wire-kids_n_1453900. h tml

Somebody show me where children are acting out because their just little shiat heads and need to be taught discipline?

While we're at it, somebody show me where children are nothing more than products are their environment and physiological make up?

Stands to reason if a child is acting out, that child has a reason for acting out and instead of punishing him for acting out, find out what the cause is and go from there.

But hey that's just me and the rest of the "uncivilized" world I guess. Go America!
 
2012-10-01 12:15:44 PM

Masta Kronix: Who says there aren't little monsters in these countries, hmmmmmm?

Well then I guess the onus on finding said monsters in said countries and showing how these little monsters resulted from the lack of physical interaction allowed between teachers and "trouble" students is on you then isn't it?


No, tard. The parents even admitted their kid is a little shiat and their only defense is that he's 'better now'. But go ahead and blame teachers for parents lack if parenting skills.

Because it's the job of teachers to raise kids, ya know.
 
2012-10-01 12:18:48 PM
That kid is out there. It can't be bargained with. It can't be reasoned with. It doesn't feel pity, or remorse, or fear. And it absolutely will not stop, ever, until you are dead.
 
2012-10-01 12:19:01 PM

Braggi: turn him around, put him in a bear hug and restrain him. If you cant restrain a 1st grader you have issues.


This is all that poor Jerry Sandusky was doing!!!!

Free Jerry!
 
2012-10-01 12:19:22 PM

Masta Kronix: Who says there aren't little monsters in these countries, hmmmmmm?

Well then I guess the onus on finding said monsters in said countries and showing how these little monsters resulted from the lack of physical interaction allowed between teachers and "trouble" students is on you then isn't it?


i.telegraph.co.uk
 
2012-10-01 12:26:59 PM
No, tard. The parents even admitted their kid is a little shiat and their only defense is that he's 'better now'. But go ahead and blame teachers for parents lack if parenting skills.

Because it's the job of teachers to raise kids, ya know.


No where in the article does the mother admit that her kid is a little shiat.

Specifically she acknowledges her son has problems and is currently trying to get him help for him.

I'm not blaming the teacher, no where in my posts did I once make that claim.

I stated other explanations for why the child was acting out past "herp derp he's just a little shiat head who needs an ass beating to calm him down!!" as seems to be the popular sentiment being expressed in this thread.

My specific qualm with this teacher is his accusation of mental anguish and stress that is causing him months of paid leave to recover from this traumatic experience. It's completely absurd and anyone who legitimately becomes mentally comprised to the point they can't work from a temper tantrum from a 6 year old shouldn't be teaching in the first place.

More reading comprehension and less emotion would go a long way for you I'm guessing.
 
2012-10-01 12:43:19 PM

Masta Kronix: Please show how American teachers are more limited in how they are allowed to physically interact with their students than teachers in countries where Corporal Punishment is outlawed and other laws protecting children rights are in the law books and upheld?


The only relevant country is our own. Here, bear hugging a kicking and biting child may get you sued and fired. My understanding was that teachers weren't supposed to touch students.

Drunk people and special needs children are not even remotely the same in how they behave or react to situations?

Why would you even compare the two?


You suggested that children cannot do physical damage to adults. I am suggesting that they can and I have witnessed that they do. The drunk thing? Well, angry drunk people act kind of like wild animals and so do out of control children. There's not much point to "controlling" any of them, just restraining them or reducing the damage. You seem to be comparing this article to basic child rearing, but this doesn't sound like a typical kid.

The mythic "retard strength" is really nothing compared to "crazy person strength" and the article (which is the only data we have to go on here) makes the child sound crazy. I believe my work experience is quite relevant in this case. I once had a 7 year old throw a rather large table at me during an interview. The same child attended a public school and, this may be news to you, but not all mentally ill children are classified by schools as "special needs". Special needs is typically an academic classification, but it depends on the school (and it's not as if special needs teachers are that highly trained). I can't imagine being an a chaotic classroom with the table throwing child, for instance. One could easily get one of those little school desks in the jaw if they weren't careful...yep, that's a broken jaw. Forget about football player's knee.

That sounds about right. You work with special needs children, you understand there are risks involved? Don't want the risks, don't take the job?

Again I don't know if this is really how it works, I'm taking your word for it, but that sounds about right. Trained professionals who know how to effectively handle the situation would be needed it stands to reason.


Did I mention the child who threw the table attends public school? Most mentally ill children do. And I brought up the story because the trained restraint team is usually made of MD's and EMT's who are clinically licensed first responders for psychiatric emergencies. Most anyone could be trained to restrain a crazy person, but if an institution were to get sued because the kid got manhandled or whatnot, the hospital could show that only the most highly qualified folks did the manhandling. Capisce? Restraining out of control children or adults is NOT an equivalent of corporal punishment, but you can still get sued for it. I believe that people also sue if you don't restrain quickly enough or if the out of control person hurts themselves..all sorts of ridiculous things.

Last time I checked, most schools don't have psychiatric restraint teams on hand. They are quite expensive. It sounds like it's just easier to let the kids do what they want...until the teacher sues the school for that.

And we're backing that assertion up with the fact that you believe in America, the limitations on physical interaction between teachers and students in schools has created an atmosphere where children attack teachers and there helpless to do anything about it. So since this atmosphere exists, it's completely plausible that this 220 lbs. ex-college football player was assaulted to such an extent, that his physical and mental injuries warrant months of paid leave to recover.

No, but I believe he could have been physically assaulted and that the physical assault may have resulted in real damage. Apparently you don't believe that a child could do harm to a larger adult. The only claim I made was that teachers may be wary about physically restraining students...which may have prevented the assault.
 
2012-10-01 12:48:51 PM

Masta Kronix: I've already managed to show children acting out due to abuse in the school and not because their "little monsters".

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/25/parents-wire-kids_n_1453900. h tml

Somebody show me where children are acting out because their just little shiat heads and need to be taught discipline?

While we're at it, somebody show me where children are nothing more than products are their environment and physiological make up?

Stands to reason if a child is acting out, that child has a reason for acting out and instead of punishing him for acting out, find out what the cause is and go from there.

But hey that's just me and the rest of the "uncivilized" world I guess. Go America!


Wow, you're making my brain hurt. I did a search in this link for the kid in the Queens article and...no luck. So is this post directed at me? I never worked with "special needs" children, so why don't you try again.
 
2012-10-01 12:57:10 PM

Carousel Beast: Coolfusis: As much as I'm inclined to make fun of his sissy girlyness, I have to imagine that having a kid be able to do literally anything to you and being completely unable to do anything about it for risk of lawsuits/job loss/prison would be incredibly frustrating.

It says that the kid starting kicking/hitting him, but when he tried to restrain him, the kid starting biting him. I'm not big on corporal punishment, but some kids need to have a date with a belt.

The thing is, if you use corporal punishment early and firmly, it goes away pretty quickly. I haven't spanked my kids in many years, and I doubt there will be a situation that calls for it until they're somewhere in the teens, and of course by then there are much more effective alternatives.


You do know that now everyone on Fark is going to berate you for beating your kids, you sick child abuser, right?
 
2012-10-01 01:12:43 PM

Masta Kronix: No, tard. The parents even admitted their kid is a little shiat and their only defense is that he's 'better now'. But go ahead and blame teachers for parents lack if parenting skills.

Because it's the job of teachers to raise kids, ya know.

No where in the article does the mother admit that her kid is a little shiat.

Specifically she acknowledges her son has problems and is currently trying to get him help for him.

I'm not blaming the teacher, no where in my posts did I once make that claim.

I stated other explanations for why the child was acting out past "herp derp he's just a little shiat head who needs an ass beating to calm him down!!" as seems to be the popular sentiment being expressed in this thread.

My specific qualm with this teacher is his accusation of mental anguish and stress that is causing him months of paid leave to recover from this traumatic experience. It's completely absurd and anyone who legitimately becomes mentally comprised to the point they can't work from a temper tantrum from a 6 year old shouldn't be teaching in the first place.

More reading comprehension and less emotion would go a long way for you I'm guessing.


When you refuse to blame the responsible party and instead blame everyone else you are just encouraging the situation. Teachers are there to teach, not be Jiu Jitsu masters. When people say things like "if you can't handle kids breaking your legs and biting you then you have no business being a teacher!!!!11" it just shows how unreasonable your expectations are for a low paying, no respect job.

Nobody really knows if the has psychological issues from this episode except for the teacher
 
2012-10-01 01:19:59 PM
Free Hat!
 
2012-10-01 02:37:23 PM
Public schooling should be a privilege. If kids are bullying other kids or teachers, they need to go. Put them in a special school if they have to go somewhere. Or put them in a mental hospital, they have teachers in at least some of them. They also have people there that are trained to restrain problem kids and forcefully give them medication.
 
2012-10-01 03:11:39 PM

dervish16108: Public schooling should be a privilege. If kids are bullying other kids or teachers, they need to go. Put them in a special school if they have to go somewhere. Or put them in a mental hospital, they have teachers in at least some of them. They also have people there that are trained to restrain problem kids and forcefully give them medication.


http://orthogenicschool.uchicago.edu/about.html is one great example of a good school for emotionally disturbed kids.

Sadly, most therapeutic schools and even "mental hospitals" are costly for parents and are covered to a limited degree by insurance. I've known people who have lost insurance coverage for their children due to repeated hospitalizations. If only people would seek help before their child's behavior became unmanageable, this might not be a problem. There are stigmas about mental health care, denial about any wrong doing of their precious snowflake, misgivings about the costs of seeing a specialist, and then the desire to just project the blame onto others. Unfortunately the kid will live with the consequences of his parents' decisions.
 
2012-10-01 04:36:57 PM

JonPace: Masta Kronix: No, tard. The parents even admitted their kid is a little shiat and their only defense is that he's 'better now'. But go ahead and blame teachers for parents lack if parenting skills.

Because it's the job of teachers to raise kids, ya know.

No where in the article does the mother admit that her kid is a little shiat.

Specifically she acknowledges her son has problems and is currently trying to get him help for him.

I'm not blaming the teacher, no where in my posts did I once make that claim.

I stated other explanations for why the child was acting out past "herp derp he's just a little shiat head who needs an ass beating to calm him down!!" as seems to be the popular sentiment being expressed in this thread.

My specific qualm with this teacher is his accusation of mental anguish and stress that is causing him months of paid leave to recover from this traumatic experience. It's completely absurd and anyone who legitimately becomes mentally comprised to the point they can't work from a temper tantrum from a 6 year old shouldn't be teaching in the first place.

More reading comprehension and less emotion would go a long way for you I'm guessing.

When you refuse to blame the responsible party and instead blame everyone else you are just encouraging the situation. Teachers are there to teach, not be Jiu Jitsu masters. When people say things like "if you can't handle kids breaking your legs and biting you then you have no business being a teacher!!!!11" it just shows how unreasonable your expectations are for a low paying, no respect job.

Nobody really knows if the has psychological issues from this episode except for the teacher


Seriously THIS. It's really easy to play armchair psychologist. So the teacher played football before. That means that this guy should be expected just to take it when a kid loses it? It somehow prevents someone from psychological issues?

I taught in a dangerous school (as in one of the most dangerous in my state). I was *never* afraid of going to work. I had plenty of students who were drug dealers, gang members, etc--I don't think I ever taught a class where there wasn't at least one kid with an ankle monitor. I've dealt with everything from fights to riots. My last year there a student who wasn't mine walked into my classroom and assaulted me. After that, just stepping into the building could trigger a panic attack, and I still occasionally have nightmares about it. I never thought after everything I'd seen before that I would be so affected by that incident, but it happens.
 
2012-10-01 05:14:20 PM
All these posts and no Kramer. Fark, you're slipping.
 
2012-10-01 07:51:36 PM
Football player? Maybe he was terrified by the idea of more than 5 seconds of physical activity at a time?
 
2012-10-02 12:24:52 AM
lots of mothers and fathers. not many parents.
 
2012-10-02 09:10:15 AM
Masta Kronix 2012-10-01 11:15:03 AM


When you cant hit back or restrain him in any meaningful way, it can add up, so it's plausible.

Try again, snowflake, or parent of snowflake.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporal_punishment

Corporal punishment of minors within domestic settings is lawful in all 50 of the United States and, according to a 2000 survey, is widely approved by parents.[2] It has been officially outlawed in 32 countries.[3]

Man I wonder how all those adults in those 32 countries where Corporal Punishment has been outlawed manage to keep control of their children without being able to resort to striking them back or corporal punishment?

Hmmmmmmm ....... I wonder?




Yeah! Cause nobody would...like...break a law.
 
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