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(The Verge)   Moto says there's no way last year's Android devices can run anything as advanced as last year's OS   (theverge.com) divider line 71
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2012-10-01 01:20:54 PM

farkeruk: 3 or 4 years from now, people won't buy phones on contract. You'll buy a new one when your old one breaks.


Bullshiat. Apple tried that and failed. The carriers won't allow it (at least in the US). It will take an act of congress to break that carrier behavior.
 
2012-10-01 01:57:39 PM
Good to see that Android is giving Windows Phone a run for its money.
 
2012-10-01 01:59:30 PM

gingerjet: farkeruk: 3 or 4 years from now, people won't buy phones on contract. You'll buy a new one when your old one breaks.

Bullshiat. Apple tried that and failed. The carriers won't allow it (at least in the US). It will take an act of congress to break that carrier behavior.


You can buy a phone off contract now and use it with your carrier of choice,
 
2012-10-01 02:03:23 PM

digistil: farker99: Edward Rooney Dean of Students: I'm about due for a new android phone (currently have an X2), and it's shiat like this that makes me not want want to get a motorola again. The X2 got orphaned almost the day it was released, and most of the other motos aren't much better.

Almost all android phones are orphaned after release.

Some are even released 1 or 2 versions behind the current version of Android from Google. Much like people who say they won't buy brand X of a windows box because of some flaw, yet they continue to buy windows boxes from another vendor, not noticing the people who are saying that they won't by brand Y of a windows box due to some flaw, Android buyers switch between phones hoping for some magic cure.

It ain't the hardware that is at fault in either case.

Changing to Linux on your hardware will usually 'fix' the flaw that was happening to your system. I know of hardware that wouldn't run windows for more than a few minutes that would run Linux for months on end.

It ain't the hardware folks.

Yes the link is a little old, and the data is still valid.
Link

It still blows me away how stable Linux is. Boot and forget.


Wish I could get S/PDIF to work on one of my boxes. Grrrrrrr
 
2012-10-01 02:16:14 PM
Moto's software support is almost as bad as HTC's hardware support. Have a defect or hardware flaw? That'll be $400 + $50 shipping for them to look at, and another $100 to get your device back regardless of whether they can fix it or not.
 
2012-10-01 02:24:57 PM

tomcatadam: Moto's software support is almost as bad as HTC's hardware support. Have a defect or hardware flaw? That'll be $400 + $50 shipping for them to look at, and another $100 to get your device back regardless of whether they can fix it or not.


$5 extended warranty replacement for water damage. I replaced the screen first. HTC Sensation 4g.

/still use my G2
 
2012-10-01 02:30:21 PM

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: You can buy a phone off contract now and use it with your carrier of choice,


Restrictions may apply.™

There is a fair bit of frequency allocation fragmentation between carriers with 3G and 4G networks. Unless your handset covers all of the bands, you're not going to be able to use HSPA, EV-DO or LTE with your carrier of choice.

And other than being being able to tell your carrier to piss off without incurring an early termination fee, you usually don't get a lot of benefit bringing your own phone here in the States. T-Mobile offers a monthly discount as if common in Europe, but AT&T and Verizon seem to steer you to their pre-paid no-contract plans if you want a "discount". Which sucks because my 2 year contract is about to expire and I have no desire to upgrade my handset at this time.
 
2012-10-01 02:44:23 PM

thurstonxhowell: Last year's OS was designed to run on this year's devices.


Except many of last year's phones and devices got ICS updates. Heck, my phone from last year just got updated to 4.1.1 thru Verizon. That's saying something right there. Verizon's usually the last carrier on the planet to release updates. It's one thing to say a device will not get an update and it's another to refuse to commit one way or the other but saying there will be an update then saying "psyche!" is just right out. It's lame. Motorola seems to be courting the high-level geeks by making sophisticated docking systems for their products then they do something like this which sends an entirely different signal.
 
2012-10-01 02:52:29 PM

enik: Edward Rooney Dean of Students: I'm about due for a new android phone (currently have an X2), and it's shiat like this that makes me not want want to get a motorola again. The X2 got orphaned almost the day it was released, and most of the other motos aren't much better.

/WTF is this guy's problem?

Get Google's own Galaxy Nexus. Immediate OS updates, no bloatware, no contract.

/the phone renewed my waning faith in Android.


Unless you're with Verizon. Waited frickin' forever for the 4.0.4 (I think that was the version) update that was available through alternative channels months before Verizon made it available. And I don't mean we had to wait months for the CDMA/LTE version to be created. It was floating around for ages before Verizon finally flipped the switch. I don't know how far behind they were with 4.1.1 because it happened to be available from Verizon (with a couple tricks necessary to get access) the day I thought to check.

That's SOP for Verizon. Every update is available outside of Verizon's pipeline for weeks or months before they finally provide them to customers.
 
2012-10-01 04:01:22 PM
Java is a resource hog. What else is new?
 
2012-10-01 04:13:46 PM
My buddy has an Atrix and he swore off Motorola long before this announcement.

What really kills me is that the Photon 4G isn't getting the upgrade. That phone is 13 months old, and was released with Gingerbread, which means it didn't see a single major software update in its life. I was getting ready to buy that phone last year after I mistakenly tossed my Palm Pre into a toilet, but it was still a month from release. Ended up with an Evo 3D, and for the most part, I've been pretty happy with it, but I'd much rather have a Nexus device.
 
2012-10-01 04:14:19 PM

zedster: If Google starts cracking the whip expect to see another OS take Androids place for crappy mid to low level smart phones, maybe Bada or an S60 descendent


The 'lock it down' replacement for Android would be... Android (or maybe "And Roid" or "Androiid" or something). It's open-source. If they want to use the code and don't mind losing Google's trademarked name and green guy, Google doesn't have a whip to crack.

I expect to see $30 TracFones running Gingerbread still being sold 4 years from now.
 
2012-10-01 04:16:27 PM

Dinjiin: enik: Get Google's own Galaxy Nexus. Immediate OS updates, no bloatware, no contract.

No derivative model with a slide-out physical keyboard. I don't mind the virtual keyboards myself, but a few people I know (who came from the Blackberry world) will only use a physical keyboard. That generally means you're stuck with Motorola and their Droid series.


I used to be from the same school of thinking. I've owned a T-Mobile Sidekick, Palm Treo, and a Palm Pre. I was always turned off by phones that didn't have a real keyboard. However, when it's displayed on a 4.3" screen vs some older phones which were much smaller, you get used to it pretty quickly.
 
2012-10-01 05:30:46 PM

wholedamnshow: Dinjiin: enik: Get Google's own Galaxy Nexus. Immediate OS updates, no bloatware, no contract.

No derivative model with a slide-out physical keyboard. I don't mind the virtual keyboards myself, but a few people I know (who came from the Blackberry world) will only use a physical keyboard. That generally means you're stuck with Motorola and their Droid series.

I used to be from the same school of thinking. I've owned a T-Mobile Sidekick, Palm Treo, and a Palm Pre. I was always turned off by phones that didn't have a real keyboard. However, when it's displayed on a 4.3" screen vs some older phones which were much smaller, you get used to it pretty quickly.


It's like masturbating with gloves on.
 
2012-10-01 05:34:02 PM
Q: Could Motorola face a lawsuit based on this recent decision? After all, if someone bought this phone based on the claim that they would upgrade it, then such a move could be considered false advertising.
 
2012-10-01 06:07:20 PM

Electrify: Q: Could Motorola face a lawsuit based on this recent decision? After all, if someone bought this phone based on the claim that they would upgrade it, then such a move could be considered false advertising.


My guess is no, since it is likely nowhere in the contract that they have to keep the software upgraded, and I'm sure the advertisements and info on their website have some sort of disclaimer saying the information can change.
 
2012-10-01 06:17:32 PM

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: moothemagiccow: ICS is crap. It's a tablet OS. The Home and App Switch buttons have the same purpose. Disappearing buttons are stupid. The hardware Menu button is a good idea. It separates viewing from actions like Delete that you dont want to press accidentally

Guess I'm seeing something different then you. My home and App switch buttons do different tasks; like takes me to apps, and back to the home screen.
I'm using Nova launcher, but I'm pretty sure even the stock ATT launcher does the same thing.


And why would you ever need to go to the home screen? To launch or switch to another app. You cant even launch a new app with the switch, just ones you have open. The app switch function was fine in its old place, long press on the home key. It's less important than menu or search, and easily replaced on a tablet by a taskbar
 
2012-10-01 08:08:58 PM

StoPPeRmobile: It's like masturbating with gloves on.


Good in that you don't have to wash your hands afterwards or good in that it feels like somebody else is doing it to you? Because if you mean the first, I agree. Getting smudge marks over your touchscreen is annoying as fark.
 
2012-10-01 10:42:30 PM

tomcatadam: Moto's software support is almost as bad as HTC's hardware support. Have a defect or hardware flaw? That'll be $400 + $50 shipping for them to look at, and another $100 to get your device back regardless of whether they can fix it or not.


Really? HTC here give a two year warranty and sorted out a problem I had at 18 months quickly and free, they even paid for the courier to collect it and bring it back fixed.
 
2012-10-02 01:44:16 AM

tomcatadam: Moto's software support is almost as bad as HTC's hardware support. Have a defect or hardware flaw? That'll be $400 + $50 shipping for them to look at, and another $100 to get your device back regardless of whether they can fix it or not.


Never had a problem that wasn't handled quickly and at no cost with my EVO....
 
2012-10-02 08:15:55 AM

moothemagiccow: Abe Vigoda's Ghost: moothemagiccow: ICS is crap. It's a tablet OS. The Home and App Switch buttons have the same purpose. Disappearing buttons are stupid. The hardware Menu button is a good idea. It separates viewing from actions like Delete that you dont want to press accidentally

Guess I'm seeing something different then you. My home and App switch buttons do different tasks; like takes me to apps, and back to the home screen.
I'm using Nova launcher, but I'm pretty sure even the stock ATT launcher does the same thing.

And why would you ever need to go to the home screen? To launch or switch to another app. You cant even launch a new app with the switch, just ones you have open. The app switch function was fine in its old place, long press on the home key. It's less important than menu or search, and easily replaced on a tablet by a taskbar


The home screen has a few widgets I find useful. I'll also have a few app shortcuts for the apps I use frequently. I treat the home screen like I do my computers desktop. I thought most people with an Android phone do that.
 
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