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(NYPost)   In the battle to lower debate expectations, the DNC wants you to know that the charming and super intelligent Mitt Romney is going to destroy the stumbling, bumbling, moron in chief, Barack Obama at the first debate   (nypost.com) divider line 17
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2012-10-01 09:50:04 AM  
3 votes:

vpb: Obamas getting his arse kicked in the lowering expectations game.


I have to agree. I was mildly confident that Obama would do well. After reading the stuff released by the Romney campaign, I am now convinced Obama will destroy him.

Also, when the Obama campaign was talking about how strong Romney was at debating they didn't come off as very sincere.
2012-10-01 11:32:06 AM  
2 votes:

sprawl15: Never underestimate the stupidity of the American public, especially when we're talking about them having the patience to listen to factual policy arguments


here's part of what Jimmy Carter said right before the famous "There you go again" zinger that everyone remebers as so super awesome and cool...

Governor Reagan, as a matter of fact, began his political career campaigning around this nation against Medicare. Now, we have an opportunity to move toward national health insurance, with an emphasis on the prevention of disease, an emphasis on out-patient care, not in-patient care; an emphasis on hospital cost containment to hold down the cost of hospital care far those who are ill, an emphasis on catastrophic health insurance, so that if a family is threatened with being wiped out economically because of a very high medical bill, then the insurance would help pay for it. These are the kinds of elements of a national health insurance, important to the American people. Governor Reagan, again, typically is against such a proposal.
2012-10-01 11:24:16 AM  
2 votes:

lennavan: If Obama doesn't blow him out of the water I'll consider it a complete failure.


People lose so much perspective on these "debates."

They're not debates, they're essential Q&As with a follow up question. All you have to do is stick to your talking points. And because no one is ever grilled, you can get away with saying factually incorrect things.
2012-10-01 11:12:58 AM  
2 votes:

lennavan: You gotta be farkin shiatin me. I can out debate Romney and I've never been in an actual debate. It's incredibly simple, you only need two things:

1) Facts.
2) To actually appear to believe in the things you are saying.

Romney does not have either of these two things going for him and it will be incredibly obvious. If Obama doesn't blow him out of the water I'll consider it a complete failure.


FTFY.

People view assertiveness as equivalent to capability, and as long as Romney goes full court retard, Obama will be in a losing position. That's why Romney's been working on zingers; a 'clever' quip about how Obama wants to eliminate work for welfare will be called memorable and assertive while Obama's five minute ass reaming detailing exactly how that's wrong is called boring and wishy washy.

Never underestimate the stupidity of the American public, especially when we're talking about them having the patience to listen to factual policy arguments.
2012-10-01 11:00:24 AM  
2 votes:
What debate? Obama and Romney agree 99% on 99% of the issues.

Oh, and hey Romney, stop saying that you'll "fix" the housing market... the crash WAS the fix, the problem was the bubble. You just want to re-inflate the bubble, and we don't need to go thru that mess again.
2012-10-01 03:58:03 PM  
1 votes:

quizzical: Tusz: ...Romney does a decent job of keeping his shiat together when someone had the gall to contradict him to his face...

I dunno. Romney gets super assertive and tries to dominate people who to contradict him. He does it with the press when they ask questions he doesn't like, and he did it in the Republican debates. At some point, I predict Mitt is going to get red in the face and try to control his anger by speaking in very. clipped. sentences.


[watches some debate clips]

...Okay, nevermind. Romney could turn this into some prime entertainment. If Rick "Master Debater" Perry can get him that mad, Obama could probably give him a brain aneurysm in two "let's be clear" answers flat.
2012-10-01 12:23:21 PM  
1 votes:

Marine1: [www.nndb.com image 213x273]

Unless this man and the Green Party candidate get to show up as well, I don't care.


I agree. Both him and Jill Stein should get a seat at the table. I'm really tired of the two party system keeping other voices out come election time.
2012-10-01 12:13:07 PM  
1 votes:
Politics is the 5th major sport in America:

- There are two "teams", complete with mascot and colors
- Those who follow the sport have their favorite team, to whom they are loyal almost to a fault
- A series of contests are held on a pre-determined schedule, culminating with the sports championship held every 4 years
- It exists largely to drive television ratings and sell advertisements
- Success is mostly determined by which team spends the most money in key strategic areas
- Former "players" are given jobs as analysts in the broadcast booths of shows covering the contests
- Regardless of how badly your team might lose, you are given hope when your team acquires a new set of players, and begin the process of trying to achieve the championship almost immediately after
2012-10-01 11:50:26 AM  
1 votes:

Shrugging Atlas: thornhill: lennavan: If Obama doesn't blow him out of the water I'll consider it a complete failure.

People lose so much perspective on these "debates."

They're not debates, they're essential Q&As with a follow up question. All you have to do is stick to your talking points. And because no one is ever grilled, you can get away with saying factually incorrect things.

Right. This isn't exactly Lincoln/Douglas here. The crowds aren't supposed to react, the debate committee gives each campaign the specifc topics beforehand, etc. It's basically a press conference in which you respond with prepared statements while your opponent stands/sits next to you with his/her own prepared statements ready to go.

I'm betting the TV ratings are record lows too. The number of undecided voters at this point are extremely low, Obama's a known quantity, and few people like Romney...including those planning to vote for him. I'm about as big of a politics junkie as you can get, and I'm not even looking forward to them. The scripted nature makes the chance of some huge moment almost nil and I've heard all there is to hear from both candidates.

/I'll still watch though, god help me


I would also add that if the moderate were to ask a tough question, they'd be accused of being biased.
2012-10-01 11:34:06 AM  
1 votes:

DubyaHater: As long as Obama sticks to the topic of healthcare reform, immigration reform, the booming economy, the success of the middle class, the recovering housing market, the taxpayer-funded bailouts the White House pet, he'll be fine.


Let's see, healthcare reform is an easy one:

Mitt: "Obamacare sucks!"
Obama: "Is that why you passed it in Massachusetts?"


Immigration reform:

Mitt: "OMG DREAM Act!"
Obama: "I've sent more people back over the border since 2009 than my predecessor did in 8 years. I had to do something to keep some of them here so they can tend your lawn, Mitt."


The economy:

Mitt: "The economy is in shambles!"
Obama: "We've had record gains in the DJ and GDP under my watch, and you, Mr. Romney, have made untold millions of dollars in the past 4 years. So, either you've profited from other people's misfortune and are therefore vulture capitalist scum, or the economy is doing fine. Which is it, Mitt?"


The middle class:

Mitt: "The middle class is struggling!"
Obama: "How much did you spend on dresses for your horse that you then claimed tax deductions for?"


The bailouts:

Mitt: "Taxpayer funded bailouts!"
Obama: "Remember how you 'saved' Bain? Yeah, you did that with bailout money." 


The pet:

Mitt: "What the heck kind of dog is a Portugese water dog anyway?"
Obama: "One that doesn't go on top of the car." 

Got nothin for the housing market, sorry.
2012-10-01 11:11:17 AM  
1 votes:

HotWingConspiracy: So how much spray tan is Mitt going to use for this appearance?


I've always assumed this was a result of a disgruntled gay/brown cosmetician that they hired which had a good sense of humour.
2012-10-01 11:09:04 AM  
1 votes:

HotWingConspiracy: So how much spray tan is Mitt going to use for this appearance?


Let me put it this way: it will make the Annoying Orange turn red with envy.
2012-10-01 10:59:32 AM  
1 votes:

Cletus C.: Romney has been so successful at lowering expectations he doesn't even need to show up to win.


Well, I do agree that he will probably do better if he doesn't show up than if he is there to dig his own grave.

"It's better to be silent and considered a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt."
2012-10-01 10:59:06 AM  
1 votes:
It seems that the lowered debate expectations have gotten more cynical ever since the media fawned over Sarah Palin's mastery of not falling down and correctly pronouncing her own name in 2008.
2012-10-01 10:57:59 AM  
1 votes:
But I have it on good authority(1) that Obama is incapable of speaking without a teleprompter.

1. I read it in some sort of cometary from some anonymous source and so it must be true.
2012-10-01 10:54:44 AM  
1 votes:

mrshowrules: when the Obama campaign was talking about how strong Romney was at debating they didn't come off as very sincere.


Remember that episode of The Simpsons where Homer's half-brother hires him to design a car, and then makes the engineer he's working with call him back and say the exact opposite of all his negative comments?
2012-10-01 09:54:33 AM  
1 votes:

mrshowrules: I was just checking Unskewed Polls and Obama is down over 7 points. He better hope this debater is a game changer.


I want the guy from unskewed polls to start making bathroom scales.
 
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