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(Today)   20 surprisingly healthy foods at restaurants. Yeah, Long John Silvers' chocolate pie is on there. Maybe the author doesn't know what healthy means   (todayhealth.today.com) divider line 164
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2012-10-01 08:06:43 AM  
Holy relativism, Batman!
 
2012-10-01 08:57:16 AM  
So, items with 17-20+ grams of fat are healthy? And people wonder why they are fat.
 
2012-10-01 09:19:24 AM  

jchic: So, items with 17-20+ grams of fat are healthy? And people wonder why they are fat.


And 1060mg of Sodium...holy moly.
 
2012-10-01 09:30:28 AM  
Salsa is now America's most popular condiment (take that, ketchup).

You know why? Because people like to say "salsa."
 
2012-10-01 09:39:55 AM  
20 surprisingly healthy restaurant foods
By the Editors of Men's Health

Sesame Ginger Chicken Dumplings
- 1,801 mg sodium


I don't subscribe to Men's Health and I'm pretty sure that I won't now. Considering that 1800 more than the recommended daily intake of sodium, I'm fairly certain saying that it's not health, and it's just for the appetizer.

Yes, it's probably better than a deep fried salt-lick, but it's still not healthy.
 
2012-10-01 09:42:46 AM  
All low-calorie. That's it.

So all I have to do is limit my caloric intake, and I will be healthy? My farking cardiologist lied to me, the bastard. Thanks Today!
 
2012-10-01 10:06:35 AM  
The Bloomin' Saltlick.
 
We take only the freshest organic Deer bait, gently score and deep-fat fry, it just like gramma used to! 
 
2012-10-01 10:35:53 AM  
"Hey check this out. This loaded 9mm gun is like half as dangerous as a .44 magnum. It's so much lighter and easier to put into your mouth."
 
2012-10-01 11:00:21 AM  
FTA: You'll shed pounds and walk away feeling better about your meal--and your body.

By "walk away" I think they meant this:
t0.gstatic.com
 
2012-10-01 11:11:30 AM  

Sybarite: Salsa is now America's most popular condiment (take that, ketchup).


I hear this all the time. Do people put a bowl of ketchup in the middle of the table and scoop it out with chips? Not usually. I wish there was a way to see if people are adding salsa to their food more than people are adding ketchup to their food.
 
2012-10-01 11:21:03 AM  
this isn't a list of surprisingly healthy food. this is a list of the least unhealthy junk food. if you're gonna get something awful for you, these are the items that will do the least amount of damage to you.
 
2012-10-01 11:29:06 AM  
If these are surprisingly healthy why is each one labeled as a guilty pleasure?
 
2012-10-01 11:36:53 AM  

jaylectricity: Sybarite: Salsa is now America's most popular condiment (take that, ketchup).

I hear this all the time. Do people put a bowl of ketchup in the middle of the table and scoop it out with chips? Not usually. I wish there was a way to see if people are adding salsa to their food more than people are adding ketchup to their food.


Yeah... I would say "Salsa" is americas favorite "dip", not "condiment". "Taco Sauce" might be up there as favorite "condiment", but, I agree with you.... "condiment" is something to "put on", not "dip into". Of course, ketchup is a bit of both, with fries & onion rings.
 
2012-10-01 11:57:19 AM  
They sure have a really farked up definition for "healthy". I can feel my fingers swelling just from reading those sodium counts!
 
2012-10-01 01:03:31 PM  

jaylectricity: Sybarite: Salsa is now America's most popular condiment (take that, ketchup).

I hear this all the time. Do people put a bowl of ketchup in the middle of the table and scoop it out with chips? Not usually. I wish there was a way to see if people are adding salsa to their food more than people are adding ketchup to their food.



I certainly add salsa to my food much more frequently than ketchup, but then I've never been a big fan of ketchup. Regardless, that statement has always been misleading because it's really only focusing on the total dollar amount of each product sold, and salsa is way more expensive than ketchup. If you go by total amount sold, ketchup beats salsa by something like 150 million pounds per year.
 
2012-10-01 01:03:35 PM  

Sybarite: Salsa is now America's most popular condiment (take that, ketchup).

You know why? Because people like to say "salsa."


I prefer to say seltzer.
 
2012-10-01 01:04:17 PM  
I'm sure the author waddles away with such swagger.
 
2012-10-01 01:05:08 PM  

jiggitysmith: Sybarite: Salsa is now America's most popular condiment (take that, ketchup).

You know why? Because people like to say "salsa."

I prefer to say seltzer.


It's salsa, but then again, I live in Mexico.

/So much fat people here, too
//And a lot of people drink a metric shiatload of coca cola
 
2012-10-01 01:05:18 PM  
Everytime I hear 'you can take this tasteless thing and pair it with that tasteless mess for a surprisingly guilt free lunch', I wanna puke.
Yeah, I'm fat, so? Fark y'all.
 
2012-10-01 01:05:25 PM  

jaylectricity:
I hear this all the time. Do people put a bowl of ketchup in the middle of the table and scoop it out with chips? Not usually. I wish there was a way to see if people are adding salsa to their food more than people are adding ketchup to their food.


Sort of like movie ticket sales. Why is the gross revenue the number we look at? Shouldn't it be number of tickets sold, since prices are far higher than they were decades ago? Or, even better, "% of the population who viewed the movie" (which is how TV rating points are calculated), since the population has grown substantially, too.

For an apples-to-apples comparison, our condiment metric should be "usage per meal" or "servings per consumer" or something like that.

Stupid salsa analysts are probably messing up their KPIs, too.
 
2012-10-01 01:06:45 PM  
www.kfc.com
 
2012-10-01 01:07:18 PM  
I tried a Peta recipe for chocolate pudding. One third a cup of melted chocolate and a package of firm tofu. Best thing to ever come out of Peta, I expect. Not great pudding, but good pudding and really easy to make, and one of the best ways to disguise tofu ever discovered. How can you go wrong with chocolate tofu? I expect you could freeze it and make frozen pudding pops.

Another tofu recipe I have tried uses tofu as the main substitute for the white sauce in Coquilles Saint-Jacques. Very tasty.

Real tofu is much healthier than the soybean byproduct used in most processed foods, so these are two of your best bets nutritionally. All of the ingrediants are good for you and high in protein.
 
2012-10-01 01:09:45 PM  
Dear Fat Author,

Calories are not the be all, end all of how we gain weight, and/or lose it. It is not the only marker to look at when attempting to eat 'healthy'. You can resume writing your next article, 'The Least Harmful Chemicals to Huff'.
 
2012-10-01 01:10:24 PM  
List doesn't show Carb amounts, and thus fails. Fat don't make you fat, bread makes you fat.
 
2012-10-01 01:10:47 PM  
I hate articles like this. The morbos will be chundering down all of these "healthy" items which will then "prove" that they're incapable of losing weight because they're eating "healthy" but still gaining weight.
 
2012-10-01 01:11:21 PM  
I like how only calories and fat content are listed for each item. No mention of carb content at all. This just in - fats don't make you fat.
 
2012-10-01 01:12:21 PM  

Sybarite: Salsa is now America's most popular condiment (take that, ketchup).

You know why? Because people like to say "salsa."


Saying "Herradura añejo" is even more fun.
 
2012-10-01 01:14:19 PM  

Sybarite: Salsa is now America's most popular condiment (take that, ketchup).

You know why? Because people like to say "salsa."


- excuse me, sir, i'd like a seltzer
- a salsa?
- a seltzer
- ....

/ too lazy to look it up, so i paraphrase
 
2012-10-01 01:14:39 PM  

Hebalo: List doesn't show Carb amounts, and thus fails. Fat don't make you fat, bread makes you fat.


Eating fat doesn't make you fat? What flavour kool-aid have you been drinking?
 
2012-10-01 01:15:01 PM  

WhippingBoy: I hate articles like this. The morbos will be chundering down all of these "healthy" items which will then "prove" that they're incapable of losing weight because they're eating "healthy" but still gaining weight.


As long as they drink a Diet Coke with it, they'll be fine.
 
2012-10-01 01:15:18 PM  
I hate the category "healthy food" because what it really means is healthier than some really unhealthy food.

My sister is fat. She considers a meal incomplete unless it includes desert but that's ok because she only eats "healthy" deserts (lower in fat or sugar than the worst) which means she can have 2 portions. A real healthy dessert would be something like a piece of melon or a portion of almost anything that is 1/4 the size of what she normally eats.
 
2012-10-01 01:16:06 PM  

tommydee: [www.kfc.com image 562x319]


Actually the double down is not significantly worse than most other fast food offerings and in many cases is actually rather tame comparatively . I'm looking at you baconator.
 
2012-10-01 01:16:31 PM  

Russ1642: Hebalo: List doesn't show Carb amounts, and thus fails. Fat don't make you fat, bread makes you fat.

Eating fat doesn't make you fat? What flavour kool-aid have you been drinking?


Fat kool-aid.
 
2012-10-01 01:17:37 PM  
Seriously? Most of this stuff is 1,000 mg of sodium plus. "relative" indeed.
 
2012-10-01 01:18:10 PM  

Perducci: WhippingBoy: I hate articles like this. The morbos will be chundering down all of these "healthy" items which will then "prove" that they're incapable of losing weight because they're eating "healthy" but still gaining weight.

As long as they drink a Diet Coke with it, they'll be fine.


I knew someone that wouldn't exercise because she read that jogging is bad for your knees. Couldn't convince her that carrying a hundred extra pounds was worse for the knees, let alone her heart.
 
2012-10-01 01:18:55 PM  
i93.photobucket.com
 
2012-10-01 01:19:44 PM  

Russ1642: Hebalo: List doesn't show Carb amounts, and thus fails. Fat don't make you fat, bread makes you fat.

Eating fat doesn't make you fat? What flavour kool-aid have you been drinking?


Kool-Aid is made from sugar, I don't drink it. Fat won't make you fat, Kool-Aid will make you fat.
 
2012-10-01 01:20:51 PM  

jaylectricity: If these are surprisingly healthy why is each one labeled as a guilty pleasure?


Because people, as a group, are dumber than a bag of rocks.
 
2012-10-01 01:23:23 PM  

Hebalo: List doesn't show Carb amounts, and thus fails. Fat don't make you fat, bread makes you fat.


nonsense. bread makes you happy. the problem, like most things, is a lack of moderation.

although, i think science plays a role in fatness. for example, super high sodium levels for preservation, high and concentrated sugars, hydrogenated fats, poly-____-whatevers, injected flavors, etc.
 
2012-10-01 01:24:15 PM  
... are you farking kidding me? They actually stuck the label "HEALTHY" on this shiat? How about HEALTHIER, as in "HEALTHIER than getting the Extra Large Big Mac Meal and a side order of 20 chicken nuggets" instead?

Sorry, I'm far from a health nut, I had pizza and a Dr. Pepper for lunch, but oh my dear God this is why America's fat.
 
2012-10-01 01:24:36 PM  
Guilty pleasure at Los Pollos Hermanos
images.wikia.com
 
2012-10-01 01:25:30 PM  

Hebalo: Russ1642: Hebalo: List doesn't show Carb amounts, and thus fails. Fat don't make you fat, bread makes you fat.

Eating fat doesn't make you fat? What flavour kool-aid have you been drinking?

Kool-Aid is made from sugar, I don't drink it. Fat won't make you fat, Kool-Aid will make you fat.


Drinking Kool-aid while playing hour after hour of video games will make you fat. Drinking Kool-aid while running around the yard, playing kickball, and being physically actives for hours will not.

/Hostess fruit pies on the other hand are the work of Satan
 
2012-10-01 01:26:20 PM  

Hebalo: Russ1642: Hebalo: List doesn't show Carb amounts, and thus fails. Fat don't make you fat, bread makes you fat.

Eating fat doesn't make you fat? What flavour kool-aid have you been drinking?

Kool-Aid is made from sugar, I don't drink it. Fat won't make you fat, Kool-Aid will make you fat.


Drinking the kool-aid refers to the Jonestown massacre.
 
2012-10-01 01:28:12 PM  

pute kisses like a man: Hebalo: List doesn't show Carb amounts, and thus fails. Fat don't make you fat, bread makes you fat.

nonsense. bread makes you happy. the problem, like most things, is a lack of moderation.

although, i think science plays a role in fatness. for example, super high sodium levels for preservation, high and concentrated sugars, hydrogenated fats, poly-____-whatevers, injected flavors, etc.


Bread spikes your blood sugar, insulin starts storing available material on hand as fat. Refined sugars and flours make it worse.
 
2012-10-01 01:28:59 PM  

Russ1642: Hebalo: Russ1642: Hebalo: List doesn't show Carb amounts, and thus fails. Fat don't make you fat, bread makes you fat.

Eating fat doesn't make you fat? What flavour kool-aid have you been drinking?

Kool-Aid is made from sugar, I don't drink it. Fat won't make you fat, Kool-Aid will make you fat.

Drinking the kool-aid refers to the Jonestown massacre.


Thanks, Sherman, don't know what we would have done without you.
 
2012-10-01 01:31:22 PM  
Vegan here. Graduated from Vegan University at full power. I can fly and shoot psyonic fireballs at fatties. Enjoy your bacon, puny humans.
 
2012-10-01 01:31:39 PM  

Hebalo: Russ1642: Hebalo: Russ1642: Hebalo: List doesn't show Carb amounts, and thus fails. Fat don't make you fat, bread makes you fat.

Eating fat doesn't make you fat? What flavour kool-aid have you been drinking?

Kool-Aid is made from sugar, I don't drink it. Fat won't make you fat, Kool-Aid will make you fat.

Drinking the kool-aid refers to the Jonestown massacre.

Thanks, Sherman, don't know what we would have done without you.


You're both wrong. Fat doesn't make you fat. Sugar doesn't make you fat. Bread doesn't make you fat. YOU make you fat. Stop eating all that shiat and you won't get fat.
 
2012-10-01 01:32:10 PM  

mithrandir: Guilty pleasure at Los Pollos Hermanos


That looks pretty good. Probably goes well with a New Mexican Chicken Sandwich.

\Allergic to tacos
 
2012-10-01 01:33:16 PM  
It seems they've confused "not a bajillion calories" with healthy.
 
2012-10-01 01:34:44 PM  

olddeegee: [i93.photobucket.com image 250x216]


Hello, my name is "Surprisingly Healthy Guilty Pleasure." You killed my father. Prepare to be eaten!
 
2012-10-01 01:34:51 PM  

WarszawaScream: YOU make you fat. Stop eating all that shiat and you won't get fat.


Alcohol doesn't make you an Alcoholic, YOU make you and alcoholic. Stop drinking and you won't be an alcoholic?

Are we really, after decades of bad nutritional advice bought and paid for by the people who brought you high fructose corn syrup and subsidies on corn and grain, going to blame personal weakness on the obesity crisis?

Too easy.
 
2012-10-01 01:35:33 PM  
Maybe this article will be a little more helpful:
5 Healthy Chain-Restaurant Meals
 
2012-10-01 01:36:35 PM  
Some of those sodium counts were... intimidating.

A little sprinkle of salt can help bring out a dish's flavors. Salt should not, however, *be* the dish's flavor. A restaurant that abuses salt is probably trying to mask crap-quality ingredients.
 
2012-10-01 01:37:09 PM  

mithrandir: Guilty pleasure at Los Pollos Hermanos
[images.wikia.com image 577x600]


I always liked the chili pepper flavor better.
 
2012-10-01 01:39:40 PM  

mithrandir: Guilty pleasure at Los Pollos Hermanos


You're damn straight you'll lose weight.
 
2012-10-01 01:40:05 PM  

Russ1642: Hebalo: Russ1642: Hebalo: List doesn't show Carb amounts, and thus fails. Fat don't make you fat, bread makes you fat.

Eating fat doesn't make you fat? What flavour kool-aid have you been drinking?

Kool-Aid is made from sugar, I don't drink it. Fat won't make you fat, Kool-Aid will make you fat.

Drinking the kool-aid refers to the Jonestown massacre.



Yeah but it was low-fat cyanide so we're golden.
 
2012-10-01 01:40:51 PM  

Hebalo: WarszawaScream: YOU make you fat. Stop eating all that shiat and you won't get fat.

Alcohol doesn't make you an Alcoholic, YOU make you and alcoholic. Stop drinking and you won't be an alcoholic?

Are we really, after decades of bad nutritional advice bought and paid for by the people who brought you high fructose corn syrup and subsidies on corn and grain, going to blame personal weakness on the obesity crisis?

Too easy.


Oh my God please tell me I'm just being trolled and you really don't think that a person can blame their fatness on everybody but themselves.

I know I'm fat! I know I don't need to eat that pizza today. I know I could have just as easily gone and ordered the salad! But I wanted the pizza. My coworkers didn't whisper EAT THE PIZZA. The pizzaman didn't say "Why, you don't want that salad Tubby,you want the pizza instead!" Television didn't report that YOU WANT PIZZA on the weather this morning, the smiling lady in the Kraft Mac N Cheese commercial didn't say "Why not have pizza instead?" and the billboard I passed on my way to work advertising pizza didn't convince me "YOU NEED TO HAVE PIZZA FOR LUNCH. YOU WILL HAVE PIZZA FOR LUNCH."

I sat back in my chair at noon, I looked at the ceilling, and I thought about what I wanted for lunch. And I decided "...you know what? I want some pizza."

That was all me, baby.
 
2012-10-01 01:41:10 PM  
The McDouble from Dirty Ronnie's is $1. It is by far the biggest bang for your buck on this list.

Bummer that you have to eat 2, since you're not ordering fries or a diet coke - what with the diet you're on and all.
 
2012-10-01 01:43:36 PM  
I love to eat as well as anybody, but trying to consider anything on that list as remotely healthy is flat out retarded.
 
2012-10-01 01:46:51 PM  
Considering this article was published by a self-proclaimed "Health" related source, expect to see "mildly-obese" (READ: Lardo) folks on the covers of future fitness mags as "The New Fit."

I fully expect to see cover blurbs such as...

"40 new diets under 6,500 calories a day (pg. 633)"
"Spandex v2.0 - sexy, slimming fabric making a comeback"
etc...

// Would write more, but I thew up in my mouth thinking of the possibilities.
 
2012-10-01 01:48:40 PM  
Alcohol doesn't make you an Alcoholic, YOU make you and alcoholic. Stop drinking and you won't be an alcoholic?

"Are we really, after decades of bad nutritional advice bought and paid for by the people who brought you high fructose corn syrup and subsidies on corn and grain, going to blame personal weakness on the obesity crisis?"

SERIOUSLY? Did someone tell us earlier that eating tons of greasy food was somehow good for us? Or that for a meal to be decent, it has to be ready in less than 5 minutes?

As a society, we decided we wanted standardized looking and tasting food, cheaply, and in a hurry. THis is why most fast food flavor is made in a factory, filled with oils that act as preservatives, and include as little perishable (i.e. FRESH) food as possible. The fast food companies didn't force us into it, although they definitely acted as facilitators.

No matter what is out there, we all have a duty to use our common sense. As my mom says, if everyone jumped of the Goerge Washington Bridge, would you?
 
2012-10-01 01:49:53 PM  

WarszawaScream: Hebalo: WarszawaScream: YOU make you fat. Stop eating all that shiat and you won't get fat.

Alcohol doesn't make you an Alcoholic, YOU make you and alcoholic. Stop drinking and you won't be an alcoholic?

Are we really, after decades of bad nutritional advice bought and paid for by the people who brought you high fructose corn syrup and subsidies on corn and grain, going to blame personal weakness on the obesity crisis?

Too easy.

Oh my God please tell me I'm just being trolled and you really don't think that a person can blame their fatness on everybody but themselves.

I know I'm fat! I know I don't need to eat that pizza today. I know I could have just as easily gone and ordered the salad! But I wanted the pizza. My coworkers didn't whisper EAT THE PIZZA. The pizzaman didn't say "Why, you don't want that salad Tubby,you want the pizza instead!" Television didn't report that YOU WANT PIZZA on the weather this morning, the smiling lady in the Kraft Mac N Cheese commercial didn't say "Why not have pizza instead?" and the billboard I passed on my way to work advertising pizza didn't convince me "YOU NEED TO HAVE PIZZA FOR LUNCH. YOU WILL HAVE PIZZA FOR LUNCH."

I sat back in my chair at noon, I looked at the ceilling, and I thought about what I wanted for lunch. And I decided "...you know what? I want some pizza."

That was all me, baby.


That was your body convincing you that the best way to get easily broken down carbs was to think about pizza more. It was closely followed by a release of insulin in to your bloodstream, preparing your body to start storing all that lovely sugar. Which also had the effect of making you hungrier still.

I'm not saying there is no room for personal choice. I'm saying if it was as easy as you say, 2/3 of the US wouldn't be technically obsese.

"People don't get fat because they eat too much, they eat too much because they're getting fat"
 
2012-10-01 01:50:03 PM  

AttawaYawattA: Vegan here. Graduated from Vegan University at full power. I can fly and shoot psyonic fireballs at fatties. Enjoy your bacon, puny humans.


Too bad you'll be so senile a nurse will have to spoon feed you your tofu by the time you're 70. But it's ok, you'll live to see 100 that way.

/balance, we're omnivores
 
2012-10-01 01:51:03 PM  
I don't eat fast food very often.. and when I do, it is at a one-of-a-kind place that serves some of the best hot dogs I've ever had (and they are consistently good).
But, if I am going to hit McDonalds (busy day and simply need to stop someplace and eat something), I get their regular, single cheeseburger... only 30 carbs the last time I checked. As a borderline diabetic I can even have 2 of them and still be quite safe! For some reason, I can NOT stand their double cheeseburgers, even tho they SHOULD be the same, with just an added patty!
 
2012-10-01 01:51:06 PM  

Sybarite: Salsa is now America's most popular condiment (take that, ketchup).

You know why? Because people like to say "salsa."


Actually it's because of the massive rise in Hispanic immigration, and the food habits they bring with them.

Ounce per ounce, Ketchup/Catsup/WTF EVER is probably sold more... and until Dirty Ronnie's hands it out with fries, I think the author should do more research.
 
2012-10-01 01:51:17 PM  
It's a list of things that'll make you eat again looking for the food you missed. And when you're away from the restaurant you're more likely to turn to candy.

My favorite lunch out is at a Mexican place that's a grilled half chicken, 6 corn tortillas, cup of rice, cup of beans, and half of a caramelized onion. And a fountain drink, they have Coke Zero on tap. It'll make you full all afternoon, but it's complex carbs so you don't go into a coma like with a big plate of pasta or fries. Pretty damn good for $7.

/Not doing that today
//Had 8oz sirloin and fresh veggies for lunch.
 
2012-10-01 01:53:45 PM  

WarszawaScream: I know I'm fat! I know I don't need to eat that pizza today. I know I could have just as easily gone and ordered the salad! But I wanted the pizza. My coworkers didn't whisper EAT THE PIZZA. The pizzaman didn't say "Why, you don't want that salad Tubby,you want the pizza instead!" Television didn't report that YOU WANT PIZZA on the weather this morning, the smiling lady in the Kraft Mac N Cheese commercial didn't say "Why not have pizza instead?" and the billboard I passed on my way to work advertising pizza didn't convince me "YOU NEED TO HAVE PIZZA FOR LUNCH. YOU WILL HAVE PIZZA FOR LUNCH."

I sat back in my chair at noon, I looked at the ceilling, and I thought about what I wanted for lunch. And I decided "...you know what? I want some pizza."

That was all me, baby.


That's it...I'm ordering pizza.
 
2012-10-01 01:54:17 PM  

TheMega: I don't eat fast food very often.. and when I do, it is at a one-of-a-kind place that serves some of the best hot dogs I've ever had (and they are consistently good).


So, you prefer animal mouths and rectums over flesh?

Don't get me wrong, I like a good hotdog, but it's an occasional thing.

But, if I am going to hit McDonalds (busy day and simply need to stop someplace and eat something), I get their regular, single cheeseburger... only 30 carbs the last time I checked. As a borderline diabetic I can even have 2 of them and still be quite safe! For some reason, I can NOT stand their double cheeseburgers, even tho they SHOULD be the same, with just an added patty!

Don't get the Double Cheeseburger. Get the McDouble. I rarely eat the crap, but I know exactly why you cannot stand the Double Cheeseburger..... it has DOUBLE CHEESE on it. The McDouble has ONE slice of cheese - so there's less of the gagging that comes with eating Dirty Ronnie's slop.
 
2012-10-01 01:55:30 PM  

HairBolus: I hate the category "healthy food" because what it really means is healthier than some really unhealthy food.

My sister is fat. She considers a meal incomplete unless it includes desert but that's ok because she only eats "healthy" deserts (lower in fat or sugar than the worst) which means she can have 2 portions. A real healthy dessert would be something like a piece of melon or a portion of almost anything that is 1/4 the size of what she normally eats.


People like that can be maddening. I really wish that more people would at least have a passing knowledge of how many calories are in various food items, and what it takes to burn a certain number of calories. I know too many people who will go for a half-mile jog and then "reward" themselves with a slice of cheesecake.
 
2012-10-01 01:55:31 PM  

wildcardjack: 6 corn tortillas


So 300+ calories in tortillas alone??

You sound large.
 
2012-10-01 01:56:28 PM  
Not gonna lie, I read that one and ordered a large pie.
 
2012-10-01 01:57:35 PM  

ScottRiqui: I know too many people who will go for a half-mile jog and then "reward" themselves with a slice of cheesecake.


And after reading this article - where they associate "healthy" with 500 calories and 1000mg of sodium - they'll probably "reward" themselves with a cheeseburger because they went inside rather than through drive-thru.
 
2012-10-01 01:58:24 PM  

Hebalo: WarszawaScream: Oh my God please tell me I'm just being trolled and you really don't think that a person can blame their fatness on everybody but themselves.

I know I'm fat! I know I don't need to eat that pizza today. I know I could have just as easily gone and ordered the salad! But I wanted the pizza. My coworkers didn't whisper EAT THE PIZZA. The pizzaman didn't say "Why, you don't want that salad Tubby,you want the pizza instead!" Television didn't report that YOU WANT PIZZA on the weather this morning, the smiling lady in the Kraft Mac N Cheese commercial didn't say "Why not have pizza instead?" and the billboard I passed on my way to work advertising pizza didn't convince me "YOU NEED TO HAVE PIZZA FOR LUNCH. YOU WILL HAVE PIZZA FOR LUNCH."

I sat back in my chair at noon, I looked at the ceilling, and I thought about what I wanted for lunch. And I decided "...you know what? I want some pizza."

That was all me, baby.

That was your body convincing you that the best way to get easily broken down carbs was to think about pizza more. It was closely followed by a release of insulin in to your bloodstream, preparing your body to start storing all that lovely sugar. Which also had the effect of making you hungrier still.

I'm not saying there is no room for personal choice. I'm saying if it was as easy as you say, 2/3 of the US wouldn't be technically obsese.

"People don't get fat because they eat too much, they eat too much because they're getting fat"


... I'm not sure what sciencey Kool-Aid you think you drank, and sure, maybe 90% of the population just doesn't have this mystical will-power to tell their body "I don't care what you're craving, we're eating something healthy and that's that"... but yeah, do me a favor and don't lump me in with that 90%. That sounds like the same science that went into "Why women crave chocolate when they have PMS or are upset" and guess what, I never crave chocolate when I have PMS or am upset either.
 
2012-10-01 02:00:38 PM  

WarszawaScream: I'm not sure what sciencey Kool-Aid you think you drank, and sure, maybe 90% of the population just doesn't have this mystical will-power to tell their body "I don't care what you're craving, we're eating something healthy and that's that"... but yeah, do me a favor and don't lump me in with that 90%. That sounds like the same science that went into "Why women crave chocolate when they have PMS or are upset" and guess what, I never crave chocolate when I have PMS or am upset either.


You sound husky.
 
2012-10-01 02:03:48 PM  
More like 'almost reasonably portioned'. It's still fast food. And how do they still get away with calling Arby's "roast beef"? It's bologna with gray food coloring.
 
2012-10-01 02:09:48 PM  

AttawaYawattA: Vegan here. Graduated from Vegan University at full power. I can fly and shoot psyonic fireballs at fatties. Enjoy your bacon, puny humans.


There was half-and-half in that latte you just had. All your powers are GONE!
 
2012-10-01 02:10:51 PM  

wiredtolain: mithrandir: Guilty pleasure at Los Pollos Hermanos

That looks pretty good. Probably goes well with a New Mexican Chicken Sandwich.

\Allergic to tacos


That's a solid gold win, that's what that is.
 
2012-10-01 02:11:30 PM  

PallMall: You sound large.


PallMall: You sound husky.


So do you.
 
2012-10-01 02:11:52 PM  

HairBolus: A real healthy dessert would be something like a piece of melon or a portion of almost anything that is 1/4 the size of what she normally eats.


Or 2 Xenadrine and a 45-minute walk.
 
2012-10-01 02:12:07 PM  

Adctd2fark: Alcohol doesn't make you an Alcoholic, YOU make you and alcoholic.


But boy-howdy, it sure makes it easier! You are, of course, correct.

cjmook21: And how do they still get away with calling Arby's "roast beef"? It's bologna with gray food coloring.


Because it isn't bologna with brown food coloring. It actually is beef, but it is pressed and formed beef. A stretch, I agree, but it's more real and lower in fat than any of the burger chains hamburger patties. And, believe it or not, Arby's does indeed roast their beef on site daily. McD's, for a comparison, receives frozen, fully cooked burgers, which they just heat up.
 
2012-10-01 02:13:23 PM  

Hebalo: pute kisses like a man: Hebalo: List doesn't show Carb amounts, and thus fails. Fat don't make you fat, bread makes you fat.

nonsense. bread makes you happy. the problem, like most things, is a lack of moderation.

although, i think science plays a role in fatness. for example, super high sodium levels for preservation, high and concentrated sugars, hydrogenated fats, poly-____-whatevers, injected flavors, etc.

Bread spikes your blood sugar, insulin starts storing available material on hand as fat. Refined sugars and flours make it worse.


i guess that explains why everyone is so fat in france. all that damn bread they always eat.
 
2012-10-01 02:14:25 PM  

WarszawaScream: Hebalo: WarszawaScream: Oh my God please tell me I'm just being trolled and you really don't think that a person can blame their fatness on everybody but themselves.

I know I'm fat! I know I don't need to eat that pizza today. I know I could have just as easily gone and ordered the salad! But I wanted the pizza. My coworkers didn't whisper EAT THE PIZZA. The pizzaman didn't say "Why, you don't want that salad Tubby,you want the pizza instead!" Television didn't report that YOU WANT PIZZA on the weather this morning, the smiling lady in the Kraft Mac N Cheese commercial didn't say "Why not have pizza instead?" and the billboard I passed on my way to work advertising pizza didn't convince me "YOU NEED TO HAVE PIZZA FOR LUNCH. YOU WILL HAVE PIZZA FOR LUNCH."

I sat back in my chair at noon, I looked at the ceilling, and I thought about what I wanted for lunch. And I decided "...you know what? I want some pizza."

That was all me, baby.

That was your body convincing you that the best way to get easily broken down carbs was to think about pizza more. It was closely followed by a release of insulin in to your bloodstream, preparing your body to start storing all that lovely sugar. Which also had the effect of making you hungrier still.

I'm not saying there is no room for personal choice. I'm saying if it was as easy as you say, 2/3 of the US wouldn't be technically obsese.

"People don't get fat because they eat too much, they eat too much because they're getting fat"

... I'm not sure what sciencey Kool-Aid you think you drank, and sure, maybe 90% of the population just doesn't have this mystical will-power to tell their body "I don't care what you're craving, we're eating something healthy and that's that"... but yeah, do me a favor and don't lump me in with that 90%. That sounds like the same science that went into "Why women crave chocolate when they have PMS or are upset" and guess what, I never crave chocolate when I have PMS or am upset either.


Cool, you're the exception then. If you think it's simply mind over matter, great. But it's not that simple. You're driven by your chemistry. The brain wants sugar. It gets it. It wants to make sure it's never out of stock. It stores it whenever and however it can.

Fats and Proteins satiate the appetite FAT better than sugars and carbs. Try this out one morning. Get up. Have nothing but carbs for breakfast. Have a couple of pieces of toast, with jam etc... Wait, see how long it is before you're back in the pantry looking for snacks.

Try it again with protein and fat, but no carbs. You're not hungry until lunch.

So now we grow up being told "EAT 6-11 servings of grain per day" and "Fat is BAD!!!!!". Our bodies get addicted to sugar, Mom passes her increased insulin resistance on to the baby, then raises his drinking fruit juice.

Why are we fat? The question is, with the way things are, how DON'T we get fat?
 
2012-10-01 02:15:13 PM  

JackieRabbit: Adctd2fark: Alcohol doesn't make you an Alcoholic, YOU make you and alcoholic.

But boy-howdy, it sure makes it easier! You are, of course, correct.

cjmook21: And how do they still get away with calling Arby's "roast beef"? It's bologna with gray food coloring.

Because it isn't bologna with brown food coloring. It actually is beef, but it is pressed and formed beef. A stretch, I agree, but it's more real and lower in fat than any of the burger chains hamburger patties. And, believe it or not, Arby's does indeed roast their beef on site daily. McD's, for a comparison, receives frozen, fully cooked burgers, which they just heat up.


It you're going to clear up false accusations against one fast food chain, you should close by making new false accusations against another. The meat is frozen, but they do cook it fresh on site. Now breakfast is another matter. The sausage patties for that are precooked patties.
 
2012-10-01 02:20:33 PM  

Stavr0: AttawaYawattA: Vegan here. Graduated from Vegan University at full power. I can fly and shoot psyonic fireballs at fatties. Enjoy your bacon, puny humans.

There was half-and-half in that latte you just had. All your powers are GONE!


Farkin Vegan Police getting all uppity. I'm still only at one strike :p
 
2012-10-01 02:21:11 PM  

Hebalo: List doesn't show Carb amounts, and thus fails. Fat don't make you fat, bread makes you fat.


This. For the better part of the population, moderation is key, and combined with proper activity life will be good. Sadly, many people don't understand how the body works or uses various sources of nutrition(insulin response, how fat is stored, etc). Carbs should be viewed as rocket fuel. Carbs + fat together in high doses will add to the waistline like nobodies business, and blood cholesterol will be horrendous. High carbs and low/no fat = hungry all the time and a blood sugar level that runs like a roller coaster(worse if the foods all have a high glycemic index), though if the sources are clean they'll have decent blood cholesterol. High fat and low/no carbs = steady energy all day, little hunger, and some of the healthiest cholesterol levels you'll see, though with our current food industry this will be expensive for eating.
 
2012-10-01 02:22:31 PM  
At some point the food industry will admit what it knows: that fats and starches do not make you fat easily (you have to really work hard at building muscle mass and letting it go soft) but sugar and fructose will make you fat systematically.

The global weight crisis is a sugar crisis, no more or less, and the obsession with fats 100% misdirection by the food industry and its captive regulators. You can eat as much butter, cheese, bread (brown is better, fibre is good), meat, salt, fish, vegetables as you want, you will *not* get fat nor high cholesterol. However, modern fruit with its super-high fructose content, HFCS, sugar will destroy your digestive system, addict you for life, and make you fat.

Most overweight people suffer from a persistent insulin dysfunction, it'd be better described as a form of diabetes, affecting some populations worse than others.

The worst, saddest is young babies and kids, because below the age of 2 or so, it's a literally incurable lifelong addition.
 
2012-10-01 02:22:53 PM  

jchic: So, items with 17-20+ grams of fat are healthy? And people wonder why they are fat.


Consuming fat doesn't make you fat.
 
2012-10-01 02:26:36 PM  

bsharitt: It seems they've confused "not a bajillion calories" with healthy.


They also fail by not mentioning portion sizes. Only 300 calories might sound great but if that comes in 100 grams of "food" I'll still consume over a 1000 calories just to get enough to make me feel full.
 
2012-10-01 02:28:00 PM  

pieterh: You can eat as much butter, cheese, bread (brown is better, fibre is good), meat, salt, fish, vegetables as you want, you will *not* get fat nor high cholesterol.


One of these things is not like the others, one of these things just DOESN'T belong.

Fibre is great, but bread is lousy delivery vehicle for it.
 
2012-10-01 02:30:33 PM  

bsharitt: The meat is frozen, but they do cook it fresh on site.


At McD's last week and saw one of the Mexicans who now run the place, go to the cooler, bring out a plastic bag with cooked meat patties, open it and dump it into a holder at the food prep line. She then grabbed a patty, put it on a bun squirted on some catsup, mustard and a few onions and zapped it in the microwave for five seconds. They may cook them where you eat, but they don't anywhere around here anymore.
 
2012-10-01 02:31:24 PM  

Hebalo: pieterh: You can eat as much butter, cheese, bread (brown is better, fibre is good), meat, salt, fish, vegetables as you want, you will *not* get fat nor high cholesterol.

One of these things is not like the others, one of these things just DOESN'T belong.

Fibre is great, but bread is lousy delivery vehicle for it.


Shhh... Quiet now... The more of them that die the sooner we can claim their treasures
 
2012-10-01 02:32:58 PM  
Russ1642

Hebalo: List doesn't show Carb amounts, and thus fails. Fat don't make you fat, bread makes you fat.

Eating fat doesn't make you fat? What flavour kool-aid have you been drinking?

Sounds like the Kool-Aid this guy mixed....
www.hypnosishome.com
before dropping dead of a massive heart-attack and weighed 258 pounds at death.
 
2012-10-01 02:41:16 PM  

Hebalo: Fibre is great, but bread is lousy delivery vehicle for it.


With all respect: bread (brown), rice, pasta, cracked wheat, maize, beans, these are all safe even in large quantities, which is why most of the agricultural world remained short and skinny until the introduction of high-protein high-sugar western foods. The worst you'll get from a high-starch diet is protein deficiency if you don't get all amino acids.

You can live on brown bread and cheese and no matter how much you eat, no matter how little exercise you do, you will not get overweight.

It's quite simple: in a normal digestive system (not damaged by sugar), you get full and stop eating.
 
2012-10-01 02:42:40 PM  

Hebalo: WarszawaScream: Hebalo: WarszawaScream: YOU make you fat. Stop eating all that shiat and you won't get fat.

Alcohol doesn't make you an Alcoholic, YOU make you and alcoholic. Stop drinking and you won't be an alcoholic?

Are we really, after decades of bad nutritional advice bought and paid for by the people who brought you high fructose corn syrup and subsidies on corn and grain, going to blame personal weakness on the obesity crisis?

Too easy.

Oh my God please tell me I'm just being trolled and you really don't think that a person can blame their fatness on everybody but themselves.

I know I'm fat! I know I don't need to eat that pizza today. I know I could have just as easily gone and ordered the salad! But I wanted the pizza. My coworkers didn't whisper EAT THE PIZZA. The pizzaman didn't say "Why, you don't want that salad Tubby,you want the pizza instead!" Television didn't report that YOU WANT PIZZA on the weather this morning, the smiling lady in the Kraft Mac N Cheese commercial didn't say "Why not have pizza instead?" and the billboard I passed on my way to work advertising pizza didn't convince me "YOU NEED TO HAVE PIZZA FOR LUNCH. YOU WILL HAVE PIZZA FOR LUNCH."

I sat back in my chair at noon, I looked at the ceilling, and I thought about what I wanted for lunch. And I decided "...you know what? I want some pizza."

That was all me, baby.

That was your body convincing you that the best way to get easily broken down carbs was to think about pizza more. It was closely followed by a release of insulin in to your bloodstream, preparing your body to start storing all that lovely sugar. Which also had the effect of making you hungrier still.

I'm not saying there is no room for personal choice. I'm saying if it was as easy as you say, 2/3 of the US wouldn't be technically obsese.

"People don't get fat because they eat too much, they eat too much because they're getting fat"


Please. There is an ever growing cult of "it's not my fault" in this country, manifested in most of the problems our society faces - obesity, excess debt/subprime debacle, medicare/medicaid, etc.. People need to take a little more responsibility for their actions.

I agree there are many, many people out there looking to prey on your ignorance or lack of discipline, and yes they are scum, but encouraging this idea that there's always someone else to blame just enables and reinforces the cycle.

There's only two ways out of this societal death spiral - make laws to stop the predators (a futile battle, they're worse than cockroaches) or encourage people to stop blaming others and take responsibility by changing their behavior and resisting the predators.

If someone's got a Plan C, I'd love to hear it.
 
2012-10-01 02:47:04 PM  
Well, it's an article from a mens' magazine. There probably are men in the world who, at six feet two inches and with a naturally high metabolism combined with regular exercise, can indulge in these "healthier" treats on a semi-regular basis without becoming rotund. The same advice would kill the average female.
 
2012-10-01 02:48:42 PM  

OnlyM3: efore dropping dead of a massive heart-attack and weighed 258 pounds at death.


Or he hit his head, was 195 when he was taken to the hospital, and was in a coma for a couple of weeks.

http://www.snopes.com/medical/doctor/atkins.asp


I'm not an Atkins follower. But he was certainly on the right track.
 
2012-10-01 02:50:22 PM  

Priapetic: If someone's got a Plan C, I'd love to hear it.


Proper education about nutrition, and research not funded by food producers.
 
2012-10-01 02:56:30 PM  
Last month I ate at a Long John Silver's for the first time since I was a young child. Had to be 30 years, or close to it. I was basically a blank slate, since I didn't remember anything about the menu other than vague concepts of "fish" and "hush puppies."

Upon tasting the fare, I determined that this is a restaurant whose entire business model appears to be trying to answer the question, "What happens if we deep-fry the color white?"

I have pretty low standards if I'm eating out. I'll eat most anything from anywhere, and not worry about it too much (I eat well at home and get plenty of exercise). If I get something from a fast food joint, all I want is for it to be filling and reasonably tasty. LJS is, without a doubt, the most flavorless pile of failure I have ever had at any restaurant of any type. The breading on the fish even managed to negate the acidic tang from the malt vinegar. How the fark do you do that? That's like adding negative flavor.
 
2012-10-01 02:57:53 PM  

Hebalo: Priapetic: If someone's got a Plan C, I'd love to hear it.

Proper education about nutrition, and research not funded by food producers.


And exactly why can't people do that for themselves? I'm sorry, but it's not that hard to figure out that fast food, 2 gallons of soda a day and a bucket of ice cream every night is not healthy for you. Nutrition about education is not the problem. People's inability to delay gratification (food rush now versus weight control over time) is the problem.
 
2012-10-01 02:59:20 PM  

Hebalo: Priapetic: If someone's got a Plan C, I'd love to hear it.

Proper education about nutrition, and research not funded by food producers.


Although I do agree that better research not funded by food producers would be a good thing, having it would just make minor improvements, not the major ones our society needs.
 
2012-10-01 03:11:11 PM  

brantgoose: I tried a Peta recipe for chocolate pudding. One third a cup of melted chocolate and a package of firm tofu. Best thing to ever come out of Peta, I expect. Not great pudding, but good pudding and really easy to make, and one of the best ways to disguise tofu ever discovered. How can you go wrong with chocolate tofu? I expect you could freeze it and make frozen pudding pops.

Another tofu recipe I have tried uses tofu as the main substitute for the white sauce in Coquilles Saint-Jacques. Very tasty.

Real tofu is much healthier than the soybean byproduct used in most processed foods, so these are two of your best bets nutritionally. All of the ingrediants are good for you and high in protein.


There's actually chocolate fudge pops made from tofu called Tofutti. Very low in fat and calories, and they taste like those awesome Jello Pudding Pops that don't get made anymore. it's also lactose free, if you have a dairy allergy. I highly recommend them.
 
2012-10-01 03:16:00 PM  

OnlyM3: Russ1642

Hebalo: List doesn't show Carb amounts, and thus fails. Fat don't make you fat, bread makes you fat.

Eating fat doesn't make you fat? What flavour kool-aid have you been drinking?
Sounds like the Kool-Aid this guy mixed....
[www.hypnosishome.com image 170x187]
before dropping dead of a massive heart-attack and weighed 258 pounds at death.


The all-knowing Wikipedia: "On April 8, 2003, at age 72, a day after a major snowstorm in New York, Atkins slipped on an icy pavement, suffering severe head trauma. He spent nine days in intensive care before dying on April 17, 2003, from complications from his head injury."

/sorry, had to look it up
 
2012-10-01 03:16:20 PM  

hdhale: Hebalo: Russ1642: Hebalo: List doesn't show Carb amounts, and thus fails. Fat don't make you fat, bread makes you fat.

Eating fat doesn't make you fat? What flavour kool-aid have you been drinking?

Kool-Aid is made from sugar, I don't drink it. Fat won't make you fat, Kool-Aid will make you fat.

Drinking Kool-aid while playing hour after hour of video games will make you fat. Drinking Kool-aid while running around the yard, playing kickball, and being physically actives for hours will not.

/Hostess fruit pies on the other hand are the work of Satan


They wouldn't taste half bad if they weren't encased in a cloyingly sweet frosting shell.
 
2012-10-01 03:24:47 PM  
amorphophallus cognac
 
2012-10-01 03:26:09 PM  
If the author considers any of these items "healthy restaurant foods", they have obiviously lost touch with reality, and are only attempting to tell the majority of readers what they want to hear!

"The beef industry has contributed to more American deaths than all the wars of this century, all natural disasters, and all automobile accidents combined. If beef is your idea of "real food for real people" you'd better live real close to a real good hospital." - Dr. Neal Barnard
 
2012-10-01 03:34:12 PM  

OnlyM3: Russ1642

Hebalo: List doesn't show Carb amounts, and thus fails. Fat don't make you fat, bread makes you fat.

Eating fat doesn't make you fat? What flavour kool-aid have you been drinking?
Sounds like the Kool-Aid this guy mixed....
[www.hypnosishome.com image 170x187]
before dropping dead of a massive heart-attack and weighed 258 pounds at death complications from a head injury after falling on ice.


FTFY, PETAphile.

Copy of Atkins' death certificate courtesy of the Smoking Gun
 
2012-10-01 03:35:11 PM  

Barfmaker: jchic: So, items with 17-20+ grams of fat are healthy? And people wonder why they are fat.

And 1060mg of Sodium...holy moly.


ecx.images-amazon.com

That is 750mg of salt, for reference. I would hardly consider 1060mg to be "holy moly", for a main-part-of-the-meal item.

Sodium's importance is overblown. In fact it is NOT well scientifically justified that these sodium levels even have ANY health risk. That idea started in the 80's, and those initial studies have been shown to be bad science or outright fraudulent. Little has changed since then. There is no market for studies or articles saying that salt is ok, yet any article going on about the danger of salt and how to avoid salt is automatically snapped up.
 
2012-10-01 03:37:50 PM  

Oznog: In fact it is NOT well scientifically justified that these sodium levels even have ANY health risk.


Correct. Salt is not an issue to healthy people. It has to be limited only in people who have high blood pressure. Most people couldn't stand the amount of salt it would take to make them sick
 
2012-10-01 03:39:37 PM  
wait, hang on. Stan's doctor recommended Aleve.
 
2012-10-01 03:42:49 PM  

Lusebagage: "The beef corn industry has contributed to more American deaths ...." - Dr. Neal Barnard


FTFDNB
 
2012-10-01 03:46:13 PM  
Want a somewhat healthy breakfast at IHOP?

SIMPLE & FIT Two-Egg Breakfast 350 Calories, 25g Protein 8g Fat 48g Carbs Calories from Fat 70 Saturated Fat 1.5g Trans Fat 0g Cholesterol 30mg Fiber 7g Sugar 19g

/My daughter likes to go to IHOP for pancakes, we go once a month.
 
2012-10-01 03:48:43 PM  

Tom_Slick: Want a somewhat healthy breakfast at IHOP?

SIMPLE & FIT Two-Egg Breakfast 350 Calories, 25g Protein 8g Fat 48g Carbs Calories from Fat 70 Saturated Fat 1.5g Trans Fat 0g Cholesterol 30mg Fiber 7g Sugar 19g

/My daughter likes to go to IHOP for pancakes, we go once a month.


yikes that's a lot of sugar.
even for a typical 240 lb american who eats 5 donuts a day and drinks coffee and cream at least twice.
 
2012-10-01 03:53:23 PM  
Apparently "Beef" has already clogged beta's brain!
 
2012-10-01 03:54:28 PM  

Jon iz teh kewl: yikes that's a lot of sugar.
even for a typical 240 lb american who eats 5 donuts a day and drinks coffee and cream at least twice.



I said somewhat healthy, most of those sugars come from fruit and since I generally avoid sugar once a month won't kill me.
 
2012-10-01 03:58:22 PM  
www.snlparty.com

That article sounds like this lady is reading it.
 
2012-10-01 04:02:24 PM  
I don't do the fast food thing (vegetarian), but I do appreciate QT's attempts to at least provide a somewhat healthy option for when I'm driving and get hungry. My go-to snack is nuts or sunflower seeds, especially if I'm about to erupt into total-beeiatch mode because I'm hungry and no where near either home or somewhere with a healthy option.

QT's started carrying a celery, carrot and cheese snack pack, and they usually have apples and yogurt. Kinda sad that the healthier things can be found at a gas station, not a fast food 'restaurant'.
 
2012-10-01 04:14:20 PM  

OnlyM3: Russ1642

Hebalo: List doesn't show Carb amounts, and thus fails. Fat don't make you fat, bread makes you fat.

Eating fat doesn't make you fat? What flavour kool-aid have you been drinking?
Sounds like the Kool-Aid this guy mixed....
[www.hypnosishome.com image 170x187]
before dropping dead of a massive heart-attack and weighed 258 pounds at death.


From what I understand, he slipped on an icy sidewalk and fell, and hit his head, causing traumatic brain injury. During the week he was in a coma before he died, he retained water like crazy, as people in that state often do. I don't think the Atkins diet is a necessarily a good idea, but its inventor's death is not a good example of why it isn't.
 
2012-10-01 04:32:48 PM  
Nothing on this list even sounded good. If I am going to eat something bad for me at least it could taste good.

An awful lot of these things were also desserts, which means you are eating them in addition to whatever godawful fat pill you already consumed from the same place.
 
2012-10-01 04:39:11 PM  

Egoy3k: PallMall: You sound large.

PallMall: You sound husky.

So do you.


If 6' / 180lbs is "large" or "husky" - I don't want be skinny.... fattie-fat-fat.
 
2012-10-01 04:48:14 PM  
Here is a better list, both for taste and your health.
http://healthland.time.com/2012/10/01/guide-the-31-healthiest-foods-o f -all-time-with-recipes/?hpt=hp_c2#all
 
2012-10-01 04:58:01 PM  

PallMall: Egoy3k: PallMall: You sound large.

PallMall: You sound husky.

So do you.

If 6' / 180lbs is "large" or "husky" - I don't want be skinny.... fattie-fat-fat.


5'8" 250lbs here
 
2012-10-01 05:36:23 PM  

PallMall: Egoy3k: PallMall: You sound large.

PallMall: You sound husky.

So do you.

If 6' / 180lbs is "large" or "husky" - I don't want be skinny.... fattie-fat-fat.


Thanks for reminding me of elementary school. I'm amazed that you can get so much pleasure out of calling people fat. Oh well, anything to distract you from whatever is horribly wrong with yourself.
 
2012-10-01 05:43:02 PM  

jchic: So, items with 17-20+ grams of fat are healthy? And people wonder why they are fat.


Fat doesn't make you fat at nearly the rate of starch or sugar.
 
2012-10-01 05:58:57 PM  

Adctd2fark: Alcohol doesn't make you an Alcoholic, YOU make you and alcoholic. Stop drinking and you won't be an alcoholic?

"Are we really, after decades of bad nutritional advice bought and paid for by the people who brought you high fructose corn syrup and subsidies on corn and grain, going to blame personal weakness on the obesity crisis?"

SERIOUSLY? Did someone tell us earlier that eating tons of greasy food was somehow good for us? Or that for a meal to be decent, it has to be ready in less than 5 minutes?

As a society, we decided we wanted standardized looking and tasting food, cheaply, and in a hurry. THis is why most fast food flavor is made in a factory, filled with oils that act as preservatives, and include as little perishable (i.e. FRESH) food as possible. The fast food companies didn't force us into it, although they definitely acted as facilitators.

No matter what is out there, we all have a duty to use our common sense. As my mom says, if everyone jumped of the Goerge Washington Bridge, would you?


How are most people to stay or get healthy if the information they are given is flat wrong?
They are told to eat lots of "healthy" whole grains, that soy is a wonder food, and to count calories in order to lose weight. Oh, also don't eat animal fat or full-fat dairy.
Just look at the old USDA food pyramid or the new "my plate" thing that has been out.
It's all terrible advice paid for by people and corporations with a vested interest in you being fat and sick.
 
2012-10-01 06:08:52 PM  

El Dudereno: Fat doesn't make you fat at nearly the rate of starch or sugar.


False, a gram of "fat" has more calories than a gram of protein or carbohydrates/sugars. Ingesting "fat" also his been linked to many autoimmune diseases, as explained in the documentary "A Delicate Balance - The Truth" perhaps you should watch it, so you get your facts straight.

Link
 
2012-10-01 06:11:08 PM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: 5'8" 250lbs here


jaylectricity: Thanks for reminding me of elementary school. I'm amazed that you can get so much pleasure out of calling people fat. Oh well, anything to distract you from whatever is horribly wrong with yourself.


ytrewq.com

Whatever happened to the days when the fat kid had enough of the down-talk and went and lost weight and became a super star of some sort. Now you all just sulk and call it either "bullying" or use it as an excuse to stuff your face more.

Being fat is a choice.
 
2012-10-01 06:11:34 PM  

El Dudereno: Adctd2fark: Alcohol doesn't make you an Alcoholic, YOU make you and alcoholic. Stop drinking and you won't be an alcoholic?

"Are we really, after decades of bad nutritional advice bought and paid for by the people who brought you high fructose corn syrup and subsidies on corn and grain, going to blame personal weakness on the obesity crisis?"

SERIOUSLY? Did someone tell us earlier that eating tons of greasy food was somehow good for us? Or that for a meal to be decent, it has to be ready in less than 5 minutes?

As a society, we decided we wanted standardized looking and tasting food, cheaply, and in a hurry. THis is why most fast food flavor is made in a factory, filled with oils that act as preservatives, and include as little perishable (i.e. FRESH) food as possible. The fast food companies didn't force us into it, although they definitely acted as facilitators.

No matter what is out there, we all have a duty to use our common sense. As my mom says, if everyone jumped of the Goerge Washington Bridge, would you?

How are most people to stay or get healthy if the information they are given is flat wrong?
They are told to eat lots of "healthy" whole grains, that soy is a wonder food, and to count calories in order to lose weight. Oh, also don't eat animal fat or full-fat dairy.
Just look at the old USDA food pyramid or the new "my plate" thing that has been out.
It's all terrible advice paid for by people and corporations with a vested interest in you being fat and sick.


Sadly, following any of the guidelines including the old pyramid would be a significant improvement for a lot of people. They eat massive quantities of processed, high fat, high sugar foods on top of or nestled in between high carb pasta or bread made from highly processed grains. The reality is that most people pay absolutely no attention to what they eat and do no exercise at all.
 
2012-10-01 06:16:28 PM  

Lusebagage: El Dudereno: Fat doesn't make you fat at nearly the rate of starch or sugar.

False, a gram of "fat" has more calories than a gram of protein or carbohydrates/sugars. Ingesting "fat" also his been linked to many autoimmune diseases, as explained in the documentary "A Delicate Balance - The Truth" perhaps you should watch it, so you get your facts straight.

Link


That is true, but if you measure intake in calories rather than grams you would be better off with a certain number of calories in fat than HFC. That being said, too much fat will make you fat. Too much of anything well. Too little of a lot of things including fat is not good either. Balance and moderation combined with exercise.
 
2012-10-01 07:09:27 PM  
I thought this Aktins fad bullshiat died with the old man.

A bunch of overweight people who don't have the mental will to stop eating all the high fat high sodium junk food they crave so they just look at calories.
 
2012-10-01 07:09:46 PM  

PallMall: Whatever happened to the days when the fat kid had enough of the down-talk and went and lost weight and became a super star of some sort. Now you all just sulk and call it either "bullying" or use it as an excuse to stuff your face more.


Fat people don't have to sulk. We're the majority now. Your skinny ass is the weird one.
 
2012-10-01 07:23:34 PM  

Oznog: Barfmaker: jchic: So, items with 17-20+ grams of fat are healthy? And people wonder why they are fat.

And 1060mg of Sodium...holy moly.

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That is 750mg of salt, for reference. I would hardly consider 1060mg to be "holy moly", for a main-part-of-the-meal item.

Sodium's importance is overblown. In fact it is NOT well scientifically justified that these sodium levels even have ANY health risk. That idea started in the 80's, and those initial studies have been shown to be bad science or outright fraudulent. Little has changed since then. There is no market for studies or articles saying that salt is ok, yet any article going on about the danger of salt and how to avoid salt is automatically snapped up.


Cool, thanks for clearing that up.
 
2012-10-01 07:30:59 PM  

intelligent comment below: I thought this Aktins fad bullshiat died with the old man.

A bunch of overweight people who don't have the mental will to stop eating all the high fat high sodium junk food they crave so they just look at calories.


If they could even do that honestly and consistently, they wouldn't still be overweight. "Counting calories" alone isn't a great diet plan, but the laws of physics still apply - if you burn more calories than you take in, you will lose weight, even if those calories are coming from shiattiest-possible sources.
 
2012-10-01 07:35:20 PM  

Beauf: if you measure intake in calories rather than grams you would be better off with a certain number of calories in fat than HFC


The point is, people often eat until they feel full, very few people eat meals based on calories. Eating fat laden calories also puts undue stress on the body, as outlined in the book "Thrive" by Brendan Braizer. The fact remains, ingesting fat, especially saturated fat, is the direct cause of heart disease, the #1 killer in America. You are never better off getting calories from fat over non fat sources.
 
2012-10-01 07:38:42 PM  

Lusebagage: If the author considers any of these items "healthy restaurant foods", they have obiviously lost touch with reality, and are only attempting to tell the majority of readers what they want to hear!

"The beef industry has contributed to more American deaths than all the wars of this century, all natural disasters, and all automobile accidents combined. If beef is your idea of "real food for real people" you'd better live real close to a real good hospital." - Dr. Neal Barnard


Interesting. I eat at least half a pound of beef or lamb (grass-fed) and a third of a stick of butter (grass-fed) per day and I'm not fat or dead. In fact, I feel pretty damn good nearly all the time.
Hell, I mix butter and coconut oil into my coffee.


I happen to agree that factory-farmed meat is aweful, though.
 
2012-10-01 07:53:57 PM  

Lusebagage: Beauf: if you measure intake in calories rather than grams you would be better off with a certain number of calories in fat than HFC

The point is, people often eat until they feel full, very few people eat meals based on calories. Eating fat laden calories also puts undue stress on the body, as outlined in the book "Thrive" by Brendan Braizer. The fact remains, ingesting fat, especially saturated fat, is the direct cause of heart disease, the #1 killer in America. You are never better off getting calories from fat over non fat sources.


Saturated fat is essential to human health. It's required for a ton of very important processes in the human body , such as hormone production and cell reproduction.
It also helps to blunt blood sugar spikes.
 
2012-10-01 08:16:19 PM  

El Dudereno: Lusebagage: Beauf: if you measure intake in calories rather than grams you would be better off with a certain number of calories in fat than HFC

The point is, people often eat until they feel full, very few people eat meals based on calories. Eating fat laden calories also puts undue stress on the body, as outlined in the book "Thrive" by Brendan Braizer. The fact remains, ingesting fat, especially saturated fat, is the direct cause of heart disease, the #1 killer in America. You are never better off getting calories from fat over non fat sources.

Saturated fat is essential to human health. It's required for a ton of very important processes in the human body , such as hormone production and cell reproduction.
It also helps to blunt blood sugar spikes.


It is also needed to absorb many nutrients properly, for proper brain function and development, nervous system function, etc... high fructose corn syrup on the other hand serves no function and is more readily converted to body fat than dietary fats. The insulin spikes and other hormonal issues related to consumption of HFC along with its propensity to end up a visceral fat have been shown in recent years to contribute more to cardiac disease than consumption of fat
 
2012-10-01 08:20:30 PM  

Lusebagage: Beauf: if you measure intake in calories rather than grams you would be better off with a certain number of calories in fat than HFC

The point is, people often eat until they feel full, very few people eat meals based on calories. Eating fat laden calories also puts undue stress on the body, as outlined in the book "Thrive" by Brendan Braizer. The fact remains, ingesting fat, especially saturated fat, is the direct cause of heart disease, the #1 killer in America. You are never better off getting calories from fat over non fat sources.


There is also growing evidence that refined carbs are more likely the cause of heart disease.
 
2012-10-01 08:39:27 PM  

OnlyM3: Sounds like the Kool-Aid this guy mixed....
www.hypnosishome.com
before dropping dead of a massive heart-attack and weighed 258 pounds at death.



Not content with spreading your ignorance in the politics tab... you have branched out.
 
2012-10-01 08:54:12 PM  

jaylectricity: Fat people don't have to sulk. We're the majority now. Your skinny ass is the weird one.


Not for long... at the rate you folks are dropping.

Don't get me wrong.. I don't exercise or anything.. I just have a healthy metabolism and stay pretty active. I smoke and drink, and do all sorts of unhealthy things... but if I feel fat, I cut the Coke from my mixed drinks, or ask for no cheese on my burger.

I at least want to be able to fit through the door before I collapse into eternity.
 
2012-10-01 09:14:12 PM  

PallMall: jaylectricity: Fat people don't have to sulk. We're the majority now. Your skinny ass is the weird one.

Not for long... at the rate you folks are dropping.

Don't get me wrong.. I don't exercise or anything.. I just have a healthy metabolism and stay pretty active. I smoke and drink, and do all sorts of unhealthy things... but if I feel fat, I cut the Coke from my mixed drinks, or ask for no cheese on my burger.

I at least want to be able to fit through the door before I collapse into eternity.


Like I said, you sound like a grade-schooler. How nice for you that your body does all the work despite your best efforts to ruin it. It must feel great to take great pride in something that you barely have to worry about.

I'll remember you the next time I take a huge dump and I barely break a sweat doing it.
 
2012-10-01 09:24:08 PM  

jaylectricity: Like I said, you sound like a grade-schooler. How nice for you that your body does all the work despite your best efforts to ruin it. It must feel great to take great pride in something that you barely have to worry about.


Actually, I'm well in to my 30's and have been pretty hard on myself. I guess it's all in the genes.

I'll remember you the next time I take a huge dump and I barely break a sweat doing it.

Haha... like that ever happens.
 
2012-10-01 09:42:23 PM  

PallMall: Actually, I'm well in to my 30's and have been pretty hard on myself.


I don't care how old you are. I didn't say anything about how long you've been alive.
 
2012-10-01 09:55:52 PM  

jchic: So, items with 17-20+ grams of fat are healthy? And people wonder why they are fat.


Fat doesn't make you fat.
 
2012-10-01 09:59:26 PM  
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2012-10-01 03:16:00 PM

OnlyM3: Russ1642

Hebalo: List doesn't show Carb amounts, and thus fails. Fat don't make you fat, bread makes you fat.

Eating fat doesn't make you fat? What flavour kool-aid have you been drinking?
Sounds like the Kool-Aid this guy mixed....
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before dropping dead of a massive heart-attack and weighed 258 pounds at death.

The all-knowing Wikipedia: "On April 8, 2003, at age 72, a day after a major snowstorm in New York, Atkins slipped on an icy pavement, suffering severe head trauma. He spent nine days in intensive care before dying on April 17, 2003, from complications from his head injury."

/sorry, had to look it up


Yes and you can look up several actors who committed suicide but are listed as dying from "natural causes". Bribes to protect a multi-million dollar scam business aren't unheard of.

Atkins's medical history are contained in handwritten notations on one page of the ME's document--"MI" for myocardial infarction, "CHF" for congestive heart failure, and "HTN" for hypertension.

As to the weight:
The document, first reported on by The Wall Street Journal, also lists Atkins weight as 258 pounds.

.. but his "press agent" claims it was all gained AFTER he went to the hospital. Really? Go do a google image search. He wasn't slim.
 
2012-10-01 10:01:09 PM  
 
2012-10-01 10:28:57 PM  

jaylectricity: PallMall: Actually, I'm well in to my 30's and have been pretty hard on myself.

I don't care how old you are. I didn't say anything about how long you've been alive.


I bet you care about that cheeseburger though, don't you?
 
2012-10-01 10:50:46 PM  
So...I've just depressed myself a little more. Consulted my Lose It app on my phone...and apparently, some of my healthier choices of food have sodium levels out the ass. A six inch Subway melt - which, at about 370 calories, kicks a Baconator's ass and takes it's lunch money - had about 1100mg.
 
2012-10-01 10:58:24 PM  
unhealthy: having nothing to eat at all. count your blessings, morans.
 
2012-10-01 11:17:24 PM  

KrispyKritter: unhealthy: having nothing to eat at all. count your blessings, morans.



Except eating this unhealthy food cost every American who has to help pay for your health care.
 
2012-10-01 11:31:11 PM  

El Dudereno: Saturated fat is essential to human health


No its not, that is completely untrue. Saturated fat is actually a poison, and attacked by the human body's white blood cells, and if you don't believe me please watch the following documentary that proves it scientifically. Link

Hebalo: There is also growing evidence that refined carbs are more likely the cause of heart disease.


No there is not, Heart disease has already been linked in numerous scientific study's to cholesterol and saturated fat, As these fatty substances build up inside the walls of arteries as "plaque", the word for this process is known as "atherosclerosis." and has only one known source, Meat, eggs, and dairy products.
 
2012-10-01 11:31:24 PM  

PallMall: jaylectricity: PallMall: Actually, I'm well in to my 30's and have been pretty hard on myself.

I don't care how old you are. I didn't say anything about how long you've been alive.

I bet you care about that cheeseburger though, don't you?


I don't even like cheese. Where the hell are you coming up with this garbage?
 
2012-10-01 11:35:31 PM  

Clutch2013: So...I've just depressed myself a little more. Consulted my Lose It app on my phone...and apparently, some of my healthier choices of food have sodium levels out the ass. A six inch Subway melt - which, at about 370 calories, kicks a Baconator's ass and takes it's lunch money - had about 1100mg.


Don't get too down. If you're working on it, that's a PLUS.... just the "melt" part about your Subway sandwich irks me... cut out the cheese. Damn dude, just buy one of those big-ass bread-loaves from the grocery and stuff it with meat, lettuce, tomato, onion, salt/pepper and have at it. Makes me crave it just thinking about it.

Forget the "Melt" part.. and the chips, and the soda.
 
2012-10-01 11:36:53 PM  

jaylectricity: PallMall: jaylectricity: PallMall: Actually, I'm well in to my 30's and have been pretty hard on myself.

I don't care how old you are. I didn't say anything about how long you've been alive.

I bet you care about that cheeseburger though, don't you?

I don't even like cheese. Where the hell are you coming up with this garbage?


Oh, okay... sideline the truth because you don't like cheese.

Go eat some fresh veggies and slim the fark down before I have to pay more taxes to support your fat ass.
 
2012-10-01 11:40:39 PM  
I think I'm going to make it my business to burden you in every way possible.
 
2012-10-01 11:40:43 PM  
I guess technically I should say 'one known source' called "cholesterol" derived from only from Meat, eggs, and dairy products, and not found in plants.
 
2012-10-01 11:41:45 PM  

intelligent comment below: Except eating this unhealthy food cost every American who has to help pay for your health care.


SO MUCH THIS!

In this modern, PC world, we can just call a fat ass... "A FAT ASS" because their grease-fueled feelings might be hurt. Instead, the rest of us suffer from higher insurance costs and more expensive medicines and Dr's visits for LEGITIMATE issues while you fat bodies chow down like we're running out of food.

I have sympathy for those who have turned around and are losing weight because they realize they're a huge burden on society. I have NO sympathy for fat-asses who sit back and eat another tub of lard because they feel that entitled 'merkins should be able to eat whatever they want and get a free hover-round when they can no longer see/use their genitals, or walk on two feet like humans tend to do.
 
2012-10-01 11:45:14 PM  

jaylectricity: I think I'm going to make it my business to burden you in every way possible.


I feel pity for the ground you walk on... unless you're tamping a foundation for a building.

I'd post a picture of a tub of Crisco, but in your ravenous rage, you may lunge at the screen and chip a tooth, creating a tool to replace a common can opener... since you'd surely rather save the energy required to open a drawer and retrieve a can opener to eat through the can and devour whatever is inside.

OM NOM NOM
 
2012-10-01 11:47:20 PM  

Lusebagage: I guess technically I should say 'one known source' called "cholesterol" derived from only from Meat, eggs, and dairy products, and not found in plants.


Actually, some plants have cholesterol in them (although small amounts). Lame excuse if you're a vegan.. even lamer than the fact that humans are omnivores.
 
2012-10-02 12:44:16 AM  

brantgoose: I tried a Peta recipe for chocolate pudding. One third a cup of melted chocolate and a package of firm tofu. Best thing to ever come out of Peta, I expect. Not great pudding, but good pudding and really easy to make, and one of the best ways to disguise tofu ever discovered. How can you go wrong with chocolate tofu? I expect you could freeze it and make frozen pudding pops.

Another tofu recipe I have tried uses tofu as the main substitute for the white sauce in Coquilles Saint-Jacques. Very tasty.

Real tofu is much healthier than the soybean byproduct used in most processed foods, so these are two of your best bets nutritionally. All of the ingrediants are good for you and high in protein.


I would gladly kill for those recipes. Everything I find searching is either Asian food or just replaces the scallops with tofu. However, I did find a delicious sounding tofu au vin, so that's something.
 
2012-10-02 10:57:00 AM  

Lusebagage: El Dudereno: Saturated fat is essential to human health

No its not, that is completely untrue. Saturated fat is actually a poison, and attacked by the human body's white blood cells, and if you don't believe me please watch the following documentary that proves it scientifically. Link

Hebalo: There is also growing evidence that refined carbs are more likely the cause of heart disease.

No there is not, Heart disease has already been linked in numerous scientific study's to cholesterol and saturated fat, As these fatty substances build up inside the walls of arteries as "plaque", the word for this process is known as "atherosclerosis." and has only one known source, Meat, eggs, and dairy products.


Awesome, low carb dieters tend to have really good cholesterol levels. See, ingesting cholesterol doesn't raise your cholesterol level. We also tend to avoid high triglyceride levels.
 
2012-10-02 11:28:16 AM  

JackieRabbit: Oznog: In fact it is NOT well scientifically justified that these sodium levels even have ANY health risk.

Correct. Salt is not an issue to healthy people. It has to be limited only in people who have high blood pressure. Most people couldn't stand the amount of salt it would take to make them sick


Oddly enough, I've seen people say that going on a low-salt diet to reduce clinical high blood pressure does NOT consistently have that effect. Sometimes it makes it worse.

Why that "is" is beyond me to say, except that it's implausibly oversimplified to say the body retains more water to balance out the salt somehow.
 
2012-10-02 11:52:15 AM  

Hebalo: Lusebagage: El Dudereno: Saturated fat is essential to human health

No its not, that is completely untrue. Saturated fat is actually a poison, and attacked by the human body's white blood cells, and if you don't believe me please watch the following documentary that proves it scientifically. Link

Hebalo: There is also growing evidence that refined carbs are more likely the cause of heart disease.

No there is not, Heart disease has already been linked in numerous scientific study's to cholesterol and saturated fat, As these fatty substances build up inside the walls of arteries as "plaque", the word for this process is known as "atherosclerosis." and has only one known source, Meat, eggs, and dairy products.

Awesome, low carb dieters tend to have really good cholesterol levels. See, ingesting cholesterol doesn't raise your cholesterol level. We also tend to avoid high triglyceride levels.


U trollin? Most cholesterol does NOT come from food, it's made in the body and diet will not change that. It's not "straightforward" that eating cholesterol adds to serum cholesterol in the blood. Paradoxically, eggs are supposed to be GOOD for you even though they contain a lot of LDL (bad) cholesterol.

And cholesterol alone does not result in atherosclerosis, plaques, "hardening of the arteries". It doesn't simply precipitate out as a plaque whenever present. There is an inflammation component, and other ill-understood factors which cause it to become a plaque.

This study suggests that in 70% of the population, dietary LDL intake has no effect on serum cholesterol, but in 30% of the population, it DOES. Also claims that eggs contain a different subtype of LDL, "large particle LDL", which could have a PROTECTIVE effect against heart disease. Then again, the article mentions the need to buy "organic, pasture-raised eggs". Well, pasture-raised might be relevant, but the "organic" term is bullshiat.
 
2012-10-02 04:03:00 PM  

Oznog: Hebalo: Lusebagage: El Dudereno: Saturated fat is essential to human health

No its not, that is completely untrue. Saturated fat is actually a poison, and attacked by the human body's white blood cells, and if you don't believe me please watch the following documentary that proves it scientifically. Link

Hebalo: There is also growing evidence that refined carbs are more likely the cause of heart disease.

No there is not, Heart disease has already been linked in numerous scientific study's to cholesterol and saturated fat, As these fatty substances build up inside the walls of arteries as "plaque", the word for this process is known as "atherosclerosis." and has only one known source, Meat, eggs, and dairy products.

Awesome, low carb dieters tend to have really good cholesterol levels. See, ingesting cholesterol doesn't raise your cholesterol level. We also tend to avoid high triglyceride levels.

U trollin? Most cholesterol does NOT come from food, it's made in the body and diet will not change that. It's not "straightforward" that eating cholesterol adds to serum cholesterol in the blood. Paradoxically, eggs are supposed to be GOOD for you even though they contain a lot of LDL (bad) cholesterol.

And cholesterol alone does not result in atherosclerosis, plaques, "hardening of the arteries". It doesn't simply precipitate out as a plaque whenever present. There is an inflammation component, and other ill-understood factors which cause it to become a plaque.

This study suggests that in 70% of the population, dietary LDL intake has no effect on serum cholesterol, but in 30% of the population, it DOES. Also claims that eggs contain a different subtype of LDL, "large particle LDL", which could have a PROTECTIVE effect against heart disease. Then again, the article mentions the need to buy "organic, pasture-raised eggs". Well, pasture-raised might be relevant, but the "organic" term is bullshiat.


Just look at all the drugs that have come out in the past few years that are supposed to lower cholesterol. They do, but the funny thing is that they have absolutely no affect on rates of heart attack, stroke, or mortality.

I can find a documentary that will "prove" just about anyhting scientifically including Jesus running around at the time of the dinos. Most of the science showing how bad saturated fat is has been refuted over the past few years.
 
2012-10-03 12:48:42 PM  

Beauf: Just look at all the drugs that have come out in the past few years that are supposed to lower cholesterol. They do, but the funny thing is that they have absolutely no affect on rates of heart attack, stroke, or mortality.

I can find a documentary that will "prove" just about anyhting scientifically including Jesus running around at the time of the dinos. Most of the science showing how bad saturated fat is has been refuted over the past few years.


Yep. THIS. Lowering cholesterol is NOT synonymous with decreasing heart attack risk. It is almost always accepted as such, but it's not. In the blood, cholesterol (HDL or LDL) is utterly harmless. It's the process of forming plaques and hardening the arteries that is the problem. But that process is not so easily measured, and science has become unscientifically obsessed with cholesterol numbers alone because they're so easily measured.
 
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