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(Pittsburgh Post-Gazette)   Let's reflect on 20 years of futility   (post-gazette.com) divider line 50
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2012-10-01 09:15:33 AM  
The Curse of Barry Bonds continues.
 
2012-10-01 09:17:39 AM  
Okay lets:

Your ownership cared more about making money than winning games. Used revenue sharing from large market teams to build a new stadium. Then only attempted to contend when a leak to the media revealed that the team was incredibly profitable, yet the owners were putting zero of it back into the team. The large market teams then threatened to withhold revenue sharing, causing MLB to step in and demand Pittsburgh(and other cities) to spend money.
 
2012-10-01 09:48:55 AM  
I the headline was about the war on drugs.
 
2012-10-01 09:54:13 AM  
Remember Pirates fans, We Are Family.
 
2012-10-01 11:29:00 AM  

Bonkthat_Again: I the headline was about the war on drugs.


Well... Barry Bonds is a "Faces of 'Roids" posterboy, so there's that.
 
2012-10-01 12:12:11 PM  

Bonkthat_Again: I the headline was about the war on drugs.


I, the headline.
 
2012-10-01 12:57:47 PM  

slayer199: Remember Pirates fans, We Are Family.


And a funny vote you have
 
2012-10-01 01:00:46 PM  

thecpt: slayer199: Remember Pirates fans, We Are Family.

And a funny vote you have


I'm glad someone got it...I thought it might be too obscure (unless you're over 40). :)
 
2012-10-01 01:00:47 PM  
www.pitch.com

"So you think YOUR team sucks, do ya?"
 
2012-10-01 01:02:16 PM  

slayer199: thecpt: slayer199: Remember Pirates fans, We Are Family.

And a funny vote you have

I'm glad someone got it...I thought it might be too obscure (unless you're over 40). :)


Funny thing is I wasn't alive when it happened but I saw it on we love the 80s or something
 
2012-10-01 01:03:19 PM  
As a longtime Pirate fan all I can do is..... Facepalm

However, I do see progress being made to break this debacle.
 
2012-10-01 01:24:59 PM  
Sigh... I really want to like the Pirates. I really, really do. But damn, they make it so f*cking hard to be liked. My heart breaks for the players. But not for that cheapskate of an owner. Nope, no tears for that asshole.

And Hurdle? Not sure what to think of him.
 
2012-10-01 01:34:40 PM  

WTF Indeed: Okay lets:

Your ownership cared more about making money than winning games. Used revenue sharing from large market teams to build a new stadium. Then only attempted to contend when a leak to the media revealed that the team was incredibly profitable, yet the owners were putting zero of it back into the team. The large market teams then threatened to withhold revenue sharing, causing MLB to step in and demand Pittsburgh(and other cities) to spend money.


The Pirates spent a ton of money on the draft and then MLB changed the rules so they couldn't
 
2012-10-01 01:35:13 PM  
first team in the history of baseball to finish under .500 after being 16 games over .500 two-thirds of the way through their season

What is it about baseball that they feel the need to generate the most useless statistics?
 
2012-10-01 02:00:36 PM  

SirDigbyChickenCaesar: first team in the history of baseball to finish under .500 after being 16 games over .500 two-thirds of the way through their season

What is it about baseball that they feel the need to generate the most useless statistics?


That's not a useless statistic at all. It's indicative of one of the most profound collapses of a team's season in baseball history.
 
2012-10-01 02:06:17 PM  

WTF Indeed: Okay lets:

Your ownership cared more about making money than winning games. Used revenue sharing from large market teams to build a new stadium. Then only attempted to contend when a leak to the media revealed that the team was incredibly profitable, yet the owners were putting zero of it back into the team. The large market teams then threatened to withhold revenue sharing, causing MLB to step in and demand Pittsburgh(and other cities) to spend money.


Kind of what Clint's previous team is doing. Almost the worst record of all time.

/Go Rockies on the race to 100.
//Not talking about wins.
 
2012-10-01 02:07:59 PM  

Bonkthat_Again: I the headline was about the war on drugs.


I thought it was about the Bills.
 
2012-10-01 02:15:39 PM  

Cagey B: SirDigbyChickenCaesar: first team in the history of baseball to finish under .500 after being 16 games over .500 two-thirds of the way through their season

What is it about baseball that they feel the need to generate the most useless statistics?

That's not a useless statistic at all. It's indicative of one of the most profound collapses of a team's season in baseball history.


But we're talking about the Pirates, so it was pretty much a given
 
2012-10-01 02:18:56 PM  
If there was a curse of Barry Bonds, wouldn't be on the Giants? Since that's where he did all the roids. And the Giants seem to be doing fine. The Pirates are showing improvement.
 
2012-10-01 02:19:33 PM  

Warlordtrooper: Bonkthat_Again: I the headline was about the war on drugs.

I thought it was about the Bills.


I though it was about my sex life.
 
2012-10-01 02:21:36 PM  

Generation_D: The Curse of Barry BondsSid Bream continues.


FTFY
 
2012-10-01 02:22:13 PM  
Can someone tell me if Hanrahan has just been bad, or has he not been given any save opportunities? Or more likely, some combination of both. He literally has been dead weight on my fantasy team since the beginning of August.

Bonkthat_Again: I the headline was about the war on drugs.


That 40 years would be

/though if you mean 40 years of federal subsidies for law enforcement, I'd call that a success
//threadjack over
 
2012-10-01 02:23:19 PM  

SearchN: WTF Indeed: Okay lets:

Your ownership cared more about making money than winning games. Used revenue sharing from large market teams to build a new stadium. Then only attempted to contend when a leak to the media revealed that the team was incredibly profitable, yet the owners were putting zero of it back into the team. The large market teams then threatened to withhold revenue sharing, causing MLB to step in and demand Pittsburgh(and other cities) to spend money.

Kind of what Clint's previous team is doing. Almost the worst record of all time.

/Go Rockies on the race to 100.
//Not talking about wins.


Almost? 100 loses is only 80 percent of the way to the worst record of all time
 
2012-10-01 02:23:25 PM  
FTFA:
"It's unfortunate where we were at halfway through the season, how good we were playing, to have it kind of fall apart," said Garrett Jones, who hit a home run Sunday. "Nobody saw it coming."

Uh, I think EVERYBODY saw it coming.
 
2012-10-01 02:24:22 PM  

yeah_so: If there was a curse of Barry Bonds, wouldn't be on the Giants? Since that's where he did all the roids. And the Giants seem to be doing fine. The Pirates are showing improvement.


Well, you can see it as how the Pirates did after he left. Or, you could see it as it all beginning with the worst throw to home plate against arguably one of the worst baserunners in history.

4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-10-01 02:26:44 PM  

SirDigbyChickenCaesar: first team in the history of baseball to finish under .500 after being 16 games over .500 two-thirds of the way through their season

What is it about baseball that they feel the need to generate the most useless statistics?


Aw, you can come up with statistics to prove anything, Kent. Forty percent of all people know that.
 
2012-10-01 02:37:35 PM  

slayer199: thecpt: slayer199: Remember Pirates fans, We Are Family.

And a funny vote you have

I'm glad someone got it...I thought it might be too obscure (unless you're over 40). :)


slanchreport.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-10-01 02:44:04 PM  

booztravlr: SirDigbyChickenCaesar: first team in the history of baseball to finish under .500 after being 16 games over .500 two-thirds of the way through their season

What is it about baseball that they feel the need to generate the most useless statistics?

Aw, you can come up with statistics to prove anything, Kent. Forty percent of all people know that.


80% of the time, it works every time.
 
2012-10-01 03:09:22 PM  

SirDigbyChickenCaesar: What is it about baseball that they feel the need to generate the most useless statistics?


What I'm really interested in knowing is how the Pirates did in day games against a left-hander over the age of 32 when the game-time humidity was higher than 68%.
 
2012-10-01 03:43:51 PM  
Their 4-3 loss to the Cincinnati Reds on Sunday at PNC Park was their 82nd of the season. The loss ensured that they will finish under .500 for the 20th consecutive year, the longest losing streak among major North American professional sports.


Uh...no. The 82nd loss serves only to guarantee that they won't have a winning season. If they win out, they will have neither a winning, nor a losing record. It's the 83rd loss that guarantees a losing season.
 
2012-10-01 03:46:14 PM  

Sin_City_Superhero: Their 4-3 loss to the Cincinnati Reds on Sunday at PNC Park was their 82nd of the season. The loss ensured that they will finish under .500 for the 20th consecutive year, the longest losing streak among major North American professional sports.


Uh...no. The 82nd loss serves only to guarantee that they won't have a winning season. If they win out, they will have neither a winning, nor a losing record. It's the 83rd loss that guarantees a losing season.


A baseball season is 162 games.
 
2012-10-01 03:52:12 PM  

The Bestest: Sin_City_Superhero: Their 4-3 loss to the Cincinnati Reds on Sunday at PNC Park was their 82nd of the season. The loss ensured that they will finish under .500 for the 20th consecutive year, the longest losing streak among major North American professional sports.


Uh...no. The 82nd loss serves only to guarantee that they won't have a winning season. If they win out, they will have neither a winning, nor a losing record. It's the 83rd loss that guarantees a losing season.

A baseball season is 162 games.


He was told there would be no math.
 
2012-10-01 03:54:39 PM  

Harv72b: What I'm really interested in knowing is how the Pirates did in day games against a left-hander over the age of 32 when the game-time humidity was higher than 68%.


You could look it up.
 
2012-10-01 04:00:14 PM  
I dated a girl from Pittsburgh that put fries on her salad. She said it was Pittsburgh thing. The Pirates aren't worse than that.
 
2012-10-01 04:02:57 PM  
You done paid for Andy
 
2012-10-01 04:09:13 PM  
Yeah; definitely not a Maple Leafs thread since the time involved is less than half the 45 years and counting they've got on the clock.

Don't have it handy, but my daughter sent me a great picture of a bunch of Leafs at a golf tournament labelled "Maple Leafs use the lockout to train for next year's postseason".

Nice refresh on an old chestnut.
 
2012-10-01 04:19:56 PM  

Rapmaster2000: I dated a girl from Pittsburgh that put fries on her salad. She said it was Pittsburgh thing. The Pirates aren't worse than that.


never seen it on a salad, but have had a delicious Primanti Bros sammich with fries and slaw. mmmmmm
 
2012-10-01 04:24:56 PM  
The Pirates sucking for the last 20+ years is the universe's way of balancing things out: Pittsburgh has the Steelers and I'd say that's a fair trade.
 
2012-10-01 04:33:48 PM  

abmoraz: Warlordtrooper: Bonkthat_Again: I the headline was about the war on drugs.

I thought it was about the Bills.

I though it was about my sex life.


I thought it was about abmoraz's sex life
 
2012-10-01 04:37:39 PM  

SirDigbyChickenCaesar: first team in the history of baseball to finish under .500 after being 16 games over .500 two-thirds of the way through their season

What is it about baseball that they feel the need to generate the most useless statistics?


Gotta do something during the 5 minutes between each pitch.
 
2012-10-01 04:38:45 PM  

The Bestest: Sin_City_Superhero: Their 4-3 loss to the Cincinnati Reds on Sunday at PNC Park was their 82nd of the season. The loss ensured that they will finish under .500 for the 20th consecutive year, the longest losing streak among major North American professional sports.


Uh...no. The 82nd loss serves only to guarantee that they won't have a winning season. If they win out, they will have neither a winning, nor a losing record. It's the 83rd loss that guarantees a losing season.

A baseball season is 162 games.


NO MATH! NO FARKING MATH!!! Damnit!
 
2012-10-01 04:40:01 PM  

farbekrieg: abmoraz: Warlordtrooper: Bonkthat_Again: I the headline was about the war on drugs.

I thought it was about the Bills.

I though it was about my sex life.

I thought it was about abmoraz's sex life


And that marked the first time in 20 years where I wasn't a lone.
 
2012-10-01 04:57:43 PM  

Billy Crystal Meth Lab: yeah_so: If there was a curse of Barry Bonds, wouldn't be on the Giants? Since that's where he did all the roids. And the Giants seem to be doing fine. The Pirates are showing improvement.

Well, you can see it as how the Pirates did after he left. Or, you could see it as it all beginning with the worst throw to home plate against arguably one of the worst baserunners in history.

[4.bp.blogspot.com image 434x250]


i291.photobucket.com
 
2012-10-01 05:08:14 PM  

abmoraz: Generation_D: The Curse of Barry BondsSid Bream continues.

FTFY


lol and one of the most exciting plays in Braves history and maybe baseball.

/And Barry could of used a roid'd up arm on that play. Might of been a different outcome. That play may have led to the "alleged" steroid use.
 
2012-10-01 05:42:42 PM  
I haven't seen Pirates that suck this bad, since Europe started dumping nuclear waste in Somalia creating pirates there... Dude, Frank, that is not cool.
 
2012-10-01 05:44:10 PM  

mjohnson71: The Pirates sucking for the last 20+ years is the universe's way of balancing things out: Pittsburgh has the Steelers and I'd say that's a fair trade.


And the Penguins.

Poor Kansas City, though.
 
2012-10-01 06:15:19 PM  

SDRR: slayer199: thecpt: slayer199: Remember Pirates fans, We Are Family.

And a funny vote you have

I'm glad someone got it...I thought it might be too obscure (unless you're over 40). :)

[slanchreport.files.wordpress.com image 666x777]


Willie Stargell died the very day of the first game ever at PNC Park. That should have been their first clue of what they were in for.
 
2012-10-01 06:21:28 PM  
If it weren't for them going 78-76 in 1932, the Phillies would have had consecutive losing seasons from 1918 to 1949.

The Pirates aren't there yet.
 
2012-10-01 06:49:24 PM  

Rapmaster2000: I dated a girl from Pittsburgh that put fries on her salad. She said it was Pittsburgh thing. The Pirates aren't worse than that.


I f you don't like a steak salad, you aren't american. You don't have to like Pittsburgh, but, thats some damn good food.
 
2012-10-02 03:58:16 PM  
I'm too lazy to run the numbers myself, but a late collapse like that seems like it's a conditioning issue. Yeah, injuries pile up, but how many of those guys were youngsters who weren't used to playing more than 140 games a year? That last month can be murder if you're not getting the off days you're used to, especially when a pitcher goes from 20-23 starts a year to 30-32 or from 150-160 innings to 200+.

From what I remember of the roster, it seemed like the guys who were producing were all young and the veterans that they had (Barmes, the catcher who I can't remember) were more replacement-level guys who weren't going to be your top talent. If they can keep the youngsters around and the veterans hammer home good conditioning in the off season, they can still be good for the next few years.

Far more likely they'll end up like the Tony Pena Royals from 8 or 10 years back, though - one shot to break a terrible losing streak, then fall right back off the cliff.
 
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