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2012-10-01 09:29:28 AM
I honestly think that Mitt Romney's 2012 presidential campaign is going to go down in history as one of the most bumbled, incompetent American political campaigns of all time. Part of it, certainly, has to do with how he's been forced to pander to an entire political wing in his party that has no connection to reality. But that's only a small part of it. McCain fumbled a great deal of his campaign, Sarah Palin being the most extreme example of that, but compared to Romney his operation was a well-oiled machine. At this point, if Romney manages to get through the first debate without accidentally setting his hair on fire, I'll be impressed.
 
2012-10-01 09:34:31 AM
I love the photo.

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Obama in an obvious state of severe stress and anxiety before the upcoming debate. I haven't seen him wound up this tightly since his speech at Press Correspondents dinner attended by the Donald.
 
2012-10-01 09:35:22 AM

Pocket Ninja: I honestly think that Mitt Romney's 2012 presidential campaign is going to go down in history as one of the most bumbled, incompetent American political campaigns of all time. Part of it, certainly, has to do with how he's been forced to pander to an entire political wing in his party that has no connection to reality. But that's only a small part of it. McCain fumbled a great deal of his campaign, Sarah Palin being the most extreme example of that, but compared to Romney his operation was a well-oiled machine. At this point, if Romney manages to get through the first debate without accidentally setting his hair on fire, I'll be impressed.


This. Well put.
 
2012-10-01 09:41:44 AM
I'm sure Romney has a zinger ready for this.
 
2012-10-01 09:52:36 AM

Mentat: I'm sure Romney has a zinger ready for this.


The zinger is not fully developed but contacts close to Romney have indicated that it involves rubber, glue and the relative stickiness of both materiels in terms of each candidate.
 
2012-10-01 10:12:29 AM
I really think the "debates" will be pretty bland with nothing exciting happening. I am glad the gop is so blind that they can't realize that they've got the right wingers anyways, and could ease up on the hard core stuff to attract some moderates.
 
2012-10-01 10:15:42 AM

Pocket Ninja: I honestly think that Mitt Romney's 2012 presidential campaign is going to go down in history as one of the most bumbled, incompetent American political campaigns of all time. Part of it, certainly, has to do with how he's been forced to pander to an entire political wing in his party that has no connection to reality. But that's only a small part of it. McCain fumbled a great deal of his campaign, Sarah Palin being the most extreme example of that, but compared to Romney his operation was a well-oiled machine. At this point, if Romney manages to get through the first debate without accidentally setting his hair on fire, I'll be impressed.


Of course, this means that when he avoids setting his hair on fire in the first debate, he will have done better than expected, setting the stage for the "Romney comeback" narrative for the next month.
 
2012-10-01 10:16:35 AM

El_Perro: Pocket Ninja: I honestly think that Mitt Romney's 2012 presidential campaign is going to go down in history as one of the most bumbled, incompetent American political campaigns of all time. Part of it, certainly, has to do with how he's been forced to pander to an entire political wing in his party that has no connection to reality. But that's only a small part of it. McCain fumbled a great deal of his campaign, Sarah Palin being the most extreme example of that, but compared to Romney his operation was a well-oiled machine. At this point, if Romney manages to get through the first debate without accidentally setting his hair on fire, I'll be impressed.

Of course, this means that when he avoids setting his hair on fire in the first debate, he will have done better than expected, setting the stage for the "Romney comeback" narrative for the next month.


"Romney - He hasn't stuck his cock in a toaster yet"
 
2012-10-01 10:17:46 AM

Tigger: El_Perro: Pocket Ninja: I honestly think that Mitt Romney's 2012 presidential campaign is going to go down in history as one of the most bumbled, incompetent American political campaigns of all time. Part of it, certainly, has to do with how he's been forced to pander to an entire political wing in his party that has no connection to reality. But that's only a small part of it. McCain fumbled a great deal of his campaign, Sarah Palin being the most extreme example of that, but compared to Romney his operation was a well-oiled machine. At this point, if Romney manages to get through the first debate without accidentally setting his hair on fire, I'll be impressed.

Of course, this means that when he avoids setting his hair on fire in the first debate, he will have done better than expected, setting the stage for the "Romney comeback" narrative for the next month.

"Romney - He hasn't stuck his cock in a toaster yet"


"Romney - He usually gets the USB plug in by the third try"
 
2012-10-01 10:19:45 AM

Pocket Ninja: I honestly think that Mitt Romney's 2012 presidential campaign is going to go down in history as one of the most bumbled, incompetent American political campaigns of all time. Part of it, certainly, has to do with how he's been forced to pander to an entire political wing in his party that has no connection to reality. But that's only a small part of it. McCain fumbled a great deal of his campaign, Sarah Palin being the most extreme example of that, but compared to Romney his operation was a well-oiled machine. At this point, if Romney manages to get through the first debate without accidentally setting his hair on fire, I'll be impressed.


The more I watch events unfold, the more I think Romney is less of a partisan stooge than he is a genuinely nice guy who probably has nothing but the best of intentions for the country; the only problem is, he's never had to fight or work hard for anything in his entire life, so here is being personable, friendly, and possessing of good hair like usual, only everyone's not instantly liking him and gravitating towards him this time, and he can't fathom why not. He's put on the good suit, he's paid the good speech writers, he's traveled the country and shaken the hands...why isn't it working??

His obvious confusion and dismay are almost likeably pathetic. I mean, I'm still not going to vote for him (and I was a swing voter until the 47% bs), but I just can't summon the kind of visceral loathing for him that I have for, say, Gingrich, McConnell, Cheney, or W.
 
2012-10-01 10:20:25 AM

hillbillypharmacist: Tigger: El_Perro: Pocket Ninja: I honestly think that Mitt Romney's 2012 presidential campaign is going to go down in history as one of the most bumbled, incompetent American political campaigns of all time. Part of it, certainly, has to do with how he's been forced to pander to an entire political wing in his party that has no connection to reality. But that's only a small part of it. McCain fumbled a great deal of his campaign, Sarah Palin being the most extreme example of that, but compared to Romney his operation was a well-oiled machine. At this point, if Romney manages to get through the first debate without accidentally setting his hair on fire, I'll be impressed.

Of course, this means that when he avoids setting his hair on fire in the first debate, he will have done better than expected, setting the stage for the "Romney comeback" narrative for the next month.

"Romney - He hasn't stuck his cock in a toaster yet"

"Romney - He usually gets the USB plug in by the third try"


"Romney - Is that cake you've got all down your front"
 
2012-10-01 10:21:35 AM

whistleridge: Pocket Ninja: I honestly think that Mitt Romney's 2012 presidential campaign is going to go down in history as one of the most bumbled, incompetent American political campaigns of all time. Part of it, certainly, has to do with how he's been forced to pander to an entire political wing in his party that has no connection to reality. But that's only a small part of it. McCain fumbled a great deal of his campaign, Sarah Palin being the most extreme example of that, but compared to Romney his operation was a well-oiled machine. At this point, if Romney manages to get through the first debate without accidentally setting his hair on fire, I'll be impressed.

The more I watch events unfold, the more I think Romney is less of a partisan stooge than he is a genuinely nice guy who probably has nothing but the best of intentions for the country; the only problem is, he's never had to fight or work hard for anything in his entire life, so here is being personable, friendly, and possessing of good hair like usual, only everyone's not instantly liking him and gravitating towards him this time, and he can't fathom why not. He's put on the good suit, he's paid the good speech writers, he's traveled the country and shaken the hands...why isn't it working??

His obvious confusion and dismay are almost likeably pathetic. I mean, I'm still not going to vote for him (and I was a swing voter until the 47% bs), but I just can't summon the kind of visceral loathing for him that I have for, say, Gingrich, McConnell, Cheney, or W.


Two of those people are actual war criminals. I'm just saying.
 
2012-10-01 10:23:05 AM

Tigger: hillbillypharmacist: Tigger: El_Perro: Pocket Ninja: I honestly think that Mitt Romney's 2012 presidential campaign is going to go down in history as one of the most bumbled, incompetent American political campaigns of all time. Part of it, certainly, has to do with how he's been forced to pander to an entire political wing in his party that has no connection to reality. But that's only a small part of it. McCain fumbled a great deal of his campaign, Sarah Palin being the most extreme example of that, but compared to Romney his operation was a well-oiled machine. At this point, if Romney manages to get through the first debate without accidentally setting his hair on fire, I'll be impressed.

Of course, this means that when he avoids setting his hair on fire in the first debate, he will have done better than expected, setting the stage for the "Romney comeback" narrative for the next month.

"Romney - He hasn't stuck his cock in a toaster yet"

"Romney - He usually gets the USB plug in by the third try"

"Romney - Is that cake you've got all down your front"


"Romney - Doesn't spill his coffee most days"
 
2012-10-01 10:27:40 AM

hillbillypharmacist: Tigger: hillbillypharmacist: Tigger: El_Perro: Pocket Ninja: I honestly think that Mitt Romney's 2012 presidential campaign is going to go down in history as one of the most bumbled, incompetent American political campaigns of all time. Part of it, certainly, has to do with how he's been forced to pander to an entire political wing in his party that has no connection to reality. But that's only a small part of it. McCain fumbled a great deal of his campaign, Sarah Palin being the most extreme example of that, but compared to Romney his operation was a well-oiled machine. At this point, if Romney manages to get through the first debate without accidentally setting his hair on fire, I'll be impressed.

Of course, this means that when he avoids setting his hair on fire in the first debate, he will have done better than expected, setting the stage for the "Romney comeback" narrative for the next month.

"Romney - He hasn't stuck his cock in a toaster yet"

"Romney - He usually gets the USB plug in by the third try"

"Romney - Is that cake you've got all down your front"

"Romney - Doesn't spill his coffee most days"


Y'all are joking, but I'm pretty sure some of these have been in Romney press releases they've been putting out to lower debate expectations.
 
2012-10-01 10:29:53 AM

mrshowrules: Mentat: I'm sure Romney has a zinger ready for this.

The zinger is not fully developed but contacts close to Romney have indicated that it involves rubber, glue and the relative stickiness of both materiels in terms of each candidate.


I'm rubber, and if you put glue on me, I'll stick to you.

Nailed it.
 
2012-10-01 10:31:18 AM

hillbillypharmacist: Tigger: hillbillypharmacist: Tigger: El_Perro: Pocket Ninja: I honestly think that Mitt Romney's 2012 presidential campaign is going to go down in history as one of the most bumbled, incompetent American political campaigns of all time. Part of it, certainly, has to do with how he's been forced to pander to an entire political wing in his party that has no connection to reality. But that's only a small part of it. McCain fumbled a great deal of his campaign, Sarah Palin being the most extreme example of that, but compared to Romney his operation was a well-oiled machine. At this point, if Romney manages to get through the first debate without accidentally setting his hair on fire, I'll be impressed.

Of course, this means that when he avoids setting his hair on fire in the first debate, he will have done better than expected, setting the stage for the "Romney comeback" narrative for the next month.

"Romney - He hasn't stuck his cock in a toaster yet"

"Romney - He usually gets the USB plug in by the third try"

"Romney - Is that cake you've got all down your front"

"Romney - Doesn't spill his coffee most days"


"Romney - Still breathing. Mostly."
 
2012-10-01 10:41:22 AM

xanadian: hillbillypharmacist: Tigger: hillbillypharmacist: Tigger: El_Perro: Pocket Ninja: I honestly think that Mitt Romney's 2012 presidential campaign is going to go down in history as one of the most bumbled, incompetent American political campaigns of all time. Part of it, certainly, has to do with how he's been forced to pander to an entire political wing in his party that has no connection to reality. But that's only a small part of it. McCain fumbled a great deal of his campaign, Sarah Palin being the most extreme example of that, but compared to Romney his operation was a well-oiled machine. At this point, if Romney manages to get through the first debate without accidentally setting his hair on fire, I'll be impressed.

Of course, this means that when he avoids setting his hair on fire in the first debate, he will have done better than expected, setting the stage for the "Romney comeback" narrative for the next month.

"Romney - He hasn't stuck his cock in a toaster yet"

"Romney - He usually gets the USB plug in by the third try"

"Romney - Is that cake you've got all down your front"

"Romney - Doesn't spill his coffee Sanka most days"

"Romney - Still breathing. Mostly."


FTFY
 
2012-10-01 10:41:51 AM

xanadian: hillbillypharmacist: Tigger: hillbillypharmacist: Tigger: El_Perro: Pocket Ninja: I honestly think that Mitt Romney's 2012 presidential campaign is going to go down in history as one of the most bumbled, incompetent American political campaigns of all time. Part of it, certainly, has to do with how he's been forced to pander to an entire political wing in his party that has no connection to reality. But that's only a small part of it. McCain fumbled a great deal of his campaign, Sarah Palin being the most extreme example of that, but compared to Romney his operation was a well-oiled machine. At this point, if Romney manages to get through the first debate without accidentally setting his hair on fire, I'll be impressed.

Of course, this means that when he avoids setting his hair on fire in the first debate, he will have done better than expected, setting the stage for the "Romney comeback" narrative for the next month.

"Romney - He hasn't stuck his cock in a toaster yet"

"Romney - He usually gets the USB plug in by the third try"

"Romney - Is that cake you've got all down your front"

"Romney - Doesn't spill his coffee most days"

"Romney - Still breathing. Mostly."


"Romney - Free Hat"
 
2012-10-01 10:43:51 AM
I think it's too early to tell whether McCain or Romney ran the worse campaign. Romney's style is death by a thousand cuts, consistent missteps that happen so frequently that it's hard to keep track of them all, but each one reveals another facet of the tiny Monopoly guy inside the mechanized Romney suit. McCain would go for long stretches of time where he seemed like a reasonable human being, and then drop bunker busting bombs of derp. He unleashed Sarah Palin on the world, then stopped his campaign in order to carry the world's economy on his back like a geriatric Atlas.

If Romney's maintenance isn't up to date and he blows a literal gasket during the debates, I'll concede the point that it is now the worst-run campaign of all time.
 
2012-10-01 10:47:32 AM
The truly sad part is that Mitt Romney remains the most electable person among the GOP Primary contenders.
 
2012-10-01 10:47:46 AM

Tigger: "Romney - Free Hat"


He said he would do that if elected. We know what happened the last time hat was set free.
 
2012-10-01 10:56:50 AM

whistleridge: he is a genuinely nice guy who probably has nothing but the best of intentions for the country


The man's a psychopath, you clown.
 
2012-10-01 10:59:01 AM

Tigger: Two of those people are actual war criminals. I'm just saying.


No, they're not. War criminals are people who have been indicted, tried, and found guilty in a court with standing to try such things.

At best, they're people who have been accused of giving orders that led to war crimes, but even then there isn't even an arraignment under way that I know of. This is one of those details wherein the devil resides.

/ I can't believe I just defended W. and Cheney
 
2012-10-01 11:00:34 AM

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: I think it's too early to tell whether McCain or Romney ran the worse campaign. Romney's style is death by a thousand cuts, consistent missteps that happen so frequently that it's hard to keep track of them all, but each one reveals another facet of the tiny Monopoly guy inside the mechanized Romney suit. McCain would go for long stretches of time where he seemed like a reasonable human being, and then drop bunker busting bombs of derp. He unleashed Sarah Palin on the world, then stopped his campaign in order to carry the world's economy on his back like a geriatric Atlas.

If Romney's maintenance isn't up to date and he blows a literal gasket during the debates, I'll concede the point that it is now the worst-run campaign of all time.


McCain suspended his campaign which was farking stupid. He picked Palin. He lost 3 debates. He latched on to Joe the Plumber but he had a few good moments as well. He defined himself as an alternative which could be appealing against a larger unknown (Obama). McCain had some real bad luck: the economic collapse; Palin being even dumber than could be possibly guessed; and being outmaneuvered by DNC leadership fell behind Obama when the GOP leadership wasn't falling behind him.

Romney's campaign was a complete disaster on every possible level. He had everything going for him and just made a complete mess of it. However, he is also not a good candidate even if he would have run a perfect campaign but at least it would have been a tighter race.
 
2012-10-01 11:03:48 AM

whistleridge: Tigger: Two of those people are actual war criminals. I'm just saying.

No, they're not. War criminals are people who have been indicted, tried, and found guilty in a court with standing to try such things.

At best, they're people who have been accused of giving orders that led to war crimes, but even then there isn't even an arraignment under way that I know of. This is one of those details wherein the devil resides.

/ I can't believe I just defended W. and Cheney


You don't have to be convicted of murder to be a murderer, you just have to murder someone.

I didn't say "convicted war criminal" quite deliberately.
 
2012-10-01 11:09:20 AM

Mentat: I'm sure Romney has a zinger ready for this.


President Obama over here. More like NOBAMA, am I right?

*crickets*

Am I right, guys?

/nailed it
 
2012-10-01 11:12:52 AM

whistleridge: Tigger: Two of those people are actual war criminals. I'm just saying.

No, they're not. War criminals are people who have been indicted, tried, and found guilty in a court with standing to try such things.

At best, they're people who have been accused of giving orders that led to war crimes, but even then there isn't even an arraignment under way that I know of. This is one of those details wherein the devil resides.

/ I can't believe I just defended W. and Cheney


So, and I can't believe I'm intentionally going here, Hitler isn't a war criminal because he never stood trial? Neither are Stalin, Mao or dozens of others?
 
2012-10-01 11:15:10 AM

Tigger: whistleridge: Tigger: Two of those people are actual war criminals. I'm just saying.

No, they're not. War criminals are people who have been indicted, tried, and found guilty in a court with standing to try such things.

At best, they're people who have been accused of giving orders that led to war crimes, but even then there isn't even an arraignment under way that I know of. This is one of those details wherein the devil resides.

/ I can't believe I just defended W. and Cheney

You don't have to be convicted of murder to be a murderer, you just have to murder someone.

I didn't say "convicted war criminal" quite deliberately.


Mmm...legally speaking, OJ isn't a murderer.

Also, historically speaking, war criminals are on the losing side. Otherwise, we'd have had to have executed Curt LeMay, Paul Tibbets, Truman, and many others when the war was over.

Look, I'm not saying they don't fit a lot of the criteria. I'm just pointing out that their odds of ever facing a slightest charges over their actions are many times lower than Romney's chances of winning this election.
 
2012-10-01 11:17:20 AM

GAT_00: whistleridge: Tigger: Two of those people are actual war criminals. I'm just saying.

No, they're not. War criminals are people who have been indicted, tried, and found guilty in a court with standing to try such things.

At best, they're people who have been accused of giving orders that led to war crimes, but even then there isn't even an arraignment under way that I know of. This is one of those details wherein the devil resides.

/ I can't believe I just defended W. and Cheney

So, and I can't believe I'm intentionally going here, Hitler isn't a war criminal because he never stood trial? Neither are Stalin, Mao or dozens of others?


No. Just in the same way that OJ isn't a murderer and Al Capone was nothing more than a common tax-dodger.

Of course you could have made a case, but like I just said, I could equally make the case for Truman, FDR, Churchill, etc. It's a sad fact that 'war criminal' is a very fluid thing.
 
2012-10-01 11:17:47 AM

whistleridge: Tigger: whistleridge: Tigger: Two of those people are actual war criminals. I'm just saying.

No, they're not. War criminals are people who have been indicted, tried, and found guilty in a court with standing to try such things.

At best, they're people who have been accused of giving orders that led to war crimes, but even then there isn't even an arraignment under way that I know of. This is one of those details wherein the devil resides.

/ I can't believe I just defended W. and Cheney

You don't have to be convicted of murder to be a murderer, you just have to murder someone.

I didn't say "convicted war criminal" quite deliberately.

Mmm...legally speaking, OJ isn't a murderer.

Also, historically speaking, war criminals are on the losing side. Otherwise, we'd have had to have executed Curt LeMay, Paul Tibbets, Truman, and many others when the war was over.

Look, I'm not saying they don't fit a lot of the criteria. I'm just pointing out that their odds of ever facing a slightest charges over their actions are many times lower than Romney's chances of winning this election.


Of course OJ isn't 'legally speaking'.

That's why I left out the key word "convicted"

A court of law is not the arbiter of truth in the world. You are still a murderer if a court fails to convict you. The facts of your murdering someone are independent truths in the world.
 
2012-10-01 11:18:08 AM

Tigger: xanadian: hillbillypharmacist: Tigger: hillbillypharmacist: Tigger: El_Perro: Pocket Ninja: I honestly think that Mitt Romney's 2012 presidential campaign is going to go down in history as one of the most bumbled, incompetent American political campaigns of all time. Part of it, certainly, has to do with how he's been forced to pander to an entire political wing in his party that has no connection to reality. But that's only a small part of it. McCain fumbled a great deal of his campaign, Sarah Palin being the most extreme example of that, but compared to Romney his operation was a well-oiled machine. At this point, if Romney manages to get through the first debate without accidentally setting his hair on fire, I'll be impressed.

Of course, this means that when he avoids setting his hair on fire in the first debate, he will have done better than expected, setting the stage for the "Romney comeback" narrative for the next month.

"Romney - He hasn't stuck his cock in a toaster yet"

"Romney - He usually gets the USB plug in by the third try"

"Romney - Is that cake you've got all down your front"

"Romney - Doesn't spill his coffee most days"

"Romney - Still breathing. Mostly."

"Romney - Free Hat"


"Romney - Not yet proven to cause cancer."
 
2012-10-01 11:18:26 AM

James F. Campbell: whistleridge: he is a genuinely nice guy who probably has nothing but the best of intentions for the country

The man's a psychopath, you clown.


[citation needed]
 
2012-10-01 11:22:57 AM

Tigger: Of course OJ isn't 'legally speaking'.

That's why I left out the key word "convicted"

A court of law is not the arbiter of truth in the world. You are still a murderer if a court fails to convict you. The facts of your murdering someone are independent truths in the world.


But if you believe in rule of law, and not just blind vengeance, the facts and the legal case are the heart of the definition. After all, until Nuremburg, the idea of a 'war criminal' didn't exist. We created the term based on a legal concept.

Did Hitler fit all of the criteria for a war criminal? Obviously. If he had stood trial, would he have been convicted on a record number of counts in record time? Of course.

But that'shiatler, one of history's truly incontrovertible cases. W. and Cheney...it's much more grey-area. And you would need a trial, and lots of evidence to sort it out. So I stick by my original assertion: you could make a charge, but as things stand right now, I doubt you could even put together enough evidence to convene a grand jury, much less call them to trial.
 
2012-10-01 11:27:34 AM

Jubeebee: Tigger: xanadian: hillbillypharmacist: Tigger: hillbillypharmacist: Tigger: El_Perro: Pocket Ninja: I honestly think that Mitt Romney's 2012 presidential campaign is going to go down in history as one of the most bumbled, incompetent American political campaigns of all time. Part of it, certainly, has to do with how he's been forced to pander to an entire political wing in his party that has no connection to reality. But that's only a small part of it. McCain fumbled a great deal of his campaign, Sarah Palin being the most extreme example of that, but compared to Romney his operation was a well-oiled machine. At this point, if Romney manages to get through the first debate without accidentally setting his hair on fire, I'll be impressed.

Of course, this means that when he avoids setting his hair on fire in the first debate, he will have done better than expected, setting the stage for the "Romney comeback" narrative for the next month.

"Romney - He hasn't stuck his cock in a toaster yet"

"Romney - He usually gets the USB plug in by the third try"

"Romney - Is that cake you've got all down your front"

"Romney - Doesn't spill his coffee most days"

"Romney - Still breathing. Mostly."

"Romney - Free Hat"

"Romney - Not yet proven to cause cancer."


"Romney - I'm not a robot. I'm you."
 
2012-10-01 11:28:37 AM
So I stick by my original assertion: you could make a charge, but as things stand right now, I doubt you could even put together enough evidence to convene a grand jury, much less call them to trial.

I am not disagreeing with this assertion.

I'm pointing out that tying the definition of a word to whether it is provable in court is philosophically insane.
 
2012-10-01 11:29:41 AM

bdub77: Jubeebee: Tigger: xanadian: hillbillypharmacist: Tigger: hillbillypharmacist: Tigger: El_Perro: Pocket Ninja: I honestly think that Mitt Romney's 2012 presidential campaign is going to go down in history as one of the most bumbled, incompetent American political campaigns of all time. Part of it, certainly, has to do with how he's been forced to pander to an entire political wing in his party that has no connection to reality. But that's only a small part of it. McCain fumbled a great deal of his campaign, Sarah Palin being the most extreme example of that, but compared to Romney his operation was a well-oiled machine. At this point, if Romney manages to get through the first debate without accidentally setting his hair on fire, I'll be impressed.

Of course, this means that when he avoids setting his hair on fire in the first debate, he will have done better than expected, setting the stage for the "Romney comeback" narrative for the next month.

"Romney - He hasn't stuck his cock in a toaster yet"

"Romney - He usually gets the USB plug in by the third try"

"Romney - Is that cake you've got all down your front"

"Romney - Doesn't spill his coffee most days"

"Romney - Still breathing. Mostly."

"Romney - Free Hat"

"Romney - Not yet proven to cause cancer."

"Romney - I'm not a robot. I'm you."


"Romney - Has probably never fired you individually."
 
2012-10-01 11:32:42 AM

oldernell: I really think the "debates" will be pretty bland with nothing exciting happening. I am glad the gop is so blind that they can't realize that they've got the right wingers anyways, and could ease up on the hard core stuff to attract some moderates.


I don't think they do have the rabid right wingers. If Romney suddenly tacked to center and became more moderate, he might pick up a few independents, but there would be a huge swath of spittle flecked teabaggers who would stay home on election day. The only way Romney is keeping this race as close as it seems to be is by appealing to the hard right.
 
2012-10-01 11:33:39 AM

bdub77: "Romney - I'm not a robot. I'm you."


Bot, I'm your bot
I'm your bot when I lead you
Pay, pay the price
Pay for nothing's free
Hey, I'm your boss
I'm the one who pays you here
Hey, I'm you boss and I no longer care
Sad but true
 
2012-10-01 11:34:54 AM
2/3 of the country feel we are heading in the wrong direction, yet the man leading us will probably win re-election handily.

It's like 2/3s of us feel the guy leading us is marching us off a cliff, but they'd much rather stick with him than the other guy saying we should march in the other direction. That's got to sting if you're that other guy.
 
2012-10-01 11:39:57 AM

Pocket Ninja: I honestly think that Mitt Romney's 2012 presidential campaign is going to go down in history as one of the most bumbled, incompetent American political campaigns of all time. Part of it, certainly, has to do with how he's been forced to pander to an entire political wing in his party that has no connection to reality. But that's only a small part of it. McCain fumbled a great deal of his campaign, Sarah Palin being the most extreme example of that, but compared to Romney his operation was a well-oiled machine. At this point, if Romney manages to get through the first debate without accidentally setting his hair on fire, I'll be impressed.


I have to admit, i'm watching the Romney campaign and wondering what in the hell they're trying to accomplish.
 
2012-10-01 11:41:31 AM

gilgigamesh: 2/3 of the country feel we are heading in the wrong direction, yet the man leading us will probably win re-election handily.

It's like 2/3s of us feel the guy leading us is marching us off a cliff, but they'd much rather stick with him than the other guy saying we should march in the other direction. That's got to sting if you're that other guy.


Congress has a 10% approval rating. Obama has a 46% approval rating.

Only 36% think the country is headed in the right direction.

What was your observation again because I couldn't follow your logic?
 
2012-10-01 11:42:53 AM
Nature abhors a vacuum, and nature ain't got nothin' on the 24/7 news cycle.

Soon, even the Fox pundits will lose their taste for it.

"Clearly, Governor Romney won the debate with a masterful performance. From spending his entire 90-second opening statement laughing about firing a servant for decanting the Chateau Le Tour De'Argent 15 minute before serving instead of 10 minutes to his closing summation of a word-for-word quoting of Loki's 'In the end, you will kneel' speech from 'Avengers' Governor Romney laid out a positive messag...oh God. I'm sorry, I can't do this anymore. Between this and having to give Rupert Murdoch a Saskatchewan Otter Toss every quarter...it's just not worth it anymore."
 
2012-10-01 11:43:13 AM

imontheinternet: bdub77: Jubeebee: Tigger: xanadian: hillbillypharmacist: Tigger: hillbillypharmacist: Tigger: El_Perro: Pocket Ninja: I honestly think that Mitt Romney's 2012 presidential campaign is going to go down in history as one of the most bumbled, incompetent American political campaigns of all time. Part of it, certainly, has to do with how he's been forced to pander to an entire political wing in his party that has no connection to reality. But that's only a small part of it. McCain fumbled a great deal of his campaign, Sarah Palin being the most extreme example of that, but compared to Romney his operation was a well-oiled machine. At this point, if Romney manages to get through the first debate without accidentally setting his hair on fire, I'll be impressed.

Of course, this means that when he avoids setting his hair on fire in the first debate, he will have done better than expected, setting the stage for the "Romney comeback" narrative for the next month.

"Romney - He hasn't stuck his cock in a toaster yet"

"Romney - He usually gets the USB plug in by the third try"

"Romney - Is that cake you've got all down your front"

"Romney - Doesn't spill his coffee most days"

"Romney - Still breathing. Mostly."

"Romney - Free Hat"

"Romney - Not yet proven to cause cancer."

"Romney - I'm not a robot. I'm you."

"Romney - Has probably never fired you individually."


Romney - good for minorities, just ask his gardener Jesus
 
2012-10-01 11:45:02 AM

mrshowrules: gilgigamesh: 2/3 of the country feel we are heading in the wrong direction, yet the man leading us will probably win re-election handily.

It's like 2/3s of us feel the guy leading us is marching us off a cliff, but they'd much rather stick with him than the other guy saying we should march in the other direction. That's got to sting if you're that other guy.

Congress has a 10% approval rating. Obama has a 46% approval rating.

Only 36% think the country is headed in the right direction.

What was your observation again because I couldn't follow your logic?


That a supermajority of Americans believe we are heading in the wrong direction as a nation, but the contender sucks so much ass they are still overwhelmingly going to vote for the incumbent.
 
2012-10-01 11:47:27 AM

gilgigamesh: mrshowrules: gilgigamesh: 2/3 of the country feel we are heading in the wrong direction, yet the man leading us will probably win re-election handily.

It's like 2/3s of us feel the guy leading us is marching us off a cliff, but they'd much rather stick with him than the other guy saying we should march in the other direction. That's got to sting if you're that other guy.

Congress has a 10% approval rating. Obama has a 46% approval rating.

Only 36% think the country is headed in the right direction.

What was your observation again because I couldn't follow your logic?

That a supermajority of Americans believe we are heading in the wrong direction as a nation, but the contender sucks so much ass they are still overwhelmingly going to vote for the incumbent.


I think I see your problem. Have you harmonised all of your statisticals yet?
 
2012-10-01 11:48:33 AM

NuttierThanEver: imontheinternet: bdub77: Jubeebee: Tigger: xanadian: hillbillypharmacist: Tigger: hillbillypharmacist: Tigger: El_Perro: Pocket Ninja: I honestly think that Mitt Romney's 2012 presidential campaign is going to go down in history as one of the most bumbled, incompetent American political campaigns of all time. Part of it, certainly, has to do with how he's been forced to pander to an entire political wing in his party that has no connection to reality. But that's only a small part of it. McCain fumbled a great deal of his campaign, Sarah Palin being the most extreme example of that, but compared to Romney his operation was a well-oiled machine. At this point, if Romney manages to get through the first debate without accidentally setting his hair on fire, I'll be impressed.

Of course, this means that when he avoids setting his hair on fire in the first debate, he will have done better than expected, setting the stage for the "Romney comeback" narrative for the next month.

"Romney - He hasn't stuck his cock in a toaster yet"

"Romney - He usually gets the USB plug in by the third try"

"Romney - Is that cake you've got all down your front"

"Romney - Doesn't spill his coffee most days"

"Romney - Still breathing. Mostly."

"Romney - Free Hat"

"Romney - Not yet proven to cause cancer."

"Romney - I'm not a robot. I'm you."

"Romney - Has probably never fired you individually."

Romney - good for minorities, just ask his gardener Jesus


If he actually drank coffee or something, he might be doing better with his campaign. While his campaign messaging is as vague as the 'maybe' you heard from your drunk female friend last night, he's been saying stupid sh*t almost daily. You gotta wonder if his 'word of wisdom'-derived choices have hampered his ability to handle the stress of this campaign cycle. He's said things his campaign has had to try and fix after the fact.

Plus he's a rich elite asshole. Judging from his contempt of the '47%'.
 
2012-10-01 11:52:35 AM

Tigger: gilgigamesh: mrshowrules: gilgigamesh: 2/3 of the country feel we are heading in the wrong direction, yet the man leading us will probably win re-election handily.

It's like 2/3s of us feel the guy leading us is marching us off a cliff, but they'd much rather stick with him than the other guy saying we should march in the other direction. That's got to sting if you're that other guy.

Congress has a 10% approval rating. Obama has a 46% approval rating.

Only 36% think the country is headed in the right direction.

What was your observation again because I couldn't follow your logic?

That a supermajority of Americans believe we are heading in the wrong direction as a nation, but the contender sucks so much ass they are still overwhelmingly going to vote for the incumbent.

I think I see your problem. Have you harmonised all of your statisticals yet?


Well am I wrong?

No. No, I'm not.
 
2012-10-01 11:52:53 AM

gilgigamesh: mrshowrules: gilgigamesh: 2/3 of the country feel we are heading in the wrong direction, yet the man leading us will probably win re-election handily.

It's like 2/3s of us feel the guy leading us is marching us off a cliff, but they'd much rather stick with him than the other guy saying we should march in the other direction. That's got to sting if you're that other guy.

Congress has a 10% approval rating. Obama has a 46% approval rating.

Only 36% think the country is headed in the right direction.

What was your observation again because I couldn't follow your logic?

That a supermajority of Americans believe we are heading in the wrong direction as a nation, but the contender sucks so much ass they are still overwhelmingly going to vote for the incumbent.


Obama has a 46% approval rating. That isn't great but it isn't too farking shabby. His approval rate is over 4 times as high as Congress. To the extend people think the country is headed in the wrong direction, they are necessarily blaming Obama.

64% is shy of a two 3rds super majority by the way. Keep in mind that when you look at 64% of these people a huge chunk are upset that thinks are not Liberal enough. You have people who are mad that their isn't single-payer health care, higher taxes on the rich, gun control etc.. A good portion of these people are upset that Obama has not been able to in-act more Liberal economic policies. Careful on the conclusions you draw from isolated statistics.
 
2012-10-01 12:01:30 PM

NuttierThanEver: imontheinternet: bdub77: Jubeebee: Tigger: xanadian: hillbillypharmacist: Tigger: hillbillypharmacist: Tigger: El_Perro: Pocket Ninja: I honestly think that Mitt Romney's 2012 presidential campaign is going to go down in history as one of the most bumbled, incompetent American political campaigns of all time. Part of it, certainly, has to do with how he's been forced to pander to an entire political wing in his party that has no connection to reality. But that's only a small part of it. McCain fumbled a great deal of his campaign, Sarah Palin being the most extreme example of that, but compared to Romney his operation was a well-oiled machine. At this point, if Romney manages to get through the first debate without accidentally setting his hair on fire, I'll be impressed.

Of course, this means that when he avoids setting his hair on fire in the first debate, he will have done better than expected, setting the stage for the "Romney comeback" narrative for the next month.

"Romney - He hasn't stuck his cock in a toaster yet"

"Romney - He usually gets the USB plug in by the third try"

"Romney - Is that cake you've got all down your front"

"Romney - Doesn't spill his coffee most days"

"Romney - Still breathing. Mostly."

"Romney - Free Hat"

"Romney - Not yet proven to cause cancer."

"Romney - I'm not a robot. I'm you."

"Romney - Has probably never fired you individually."

Romney - good for minorities, just ask his gardener Jesus


"Romney - More fun than a kick in the groin."

/this is fun
 
2012-10-01 12:02:06 PM

mrshowrules: 64% is shy of a two 3rds super majority by the way. Keep in mind that when you look at 64% of these people a huge chunk are upset that thinks are not Liberal enough. You have people who are mad that their isn't single-payer health care, higher taxes on the rich, gun control etc.. A good portion of these people are upset that Obama has not been able to in-act more Liberal economic policies. Careful on the conclusions you draw from isolated statistics.


Don't forget people who want the banks, corporations and wall street to be reformed. Some of us think our issues will persist until we implement regulations that will benefit the average American worker, not the wealthy CEO, banker or day trader.
 
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