Gothnet: But all y'all are generally pretty unlikeable human beings.
Rent Party: I used to get a ration of shiat whenever I would observe that there isn't a woman on the planet that doesn't like a smack in the ass, and to be told she's pretty.This 50 Shades thing has validated my observations, and I simply refer anyone objecting to that truth to the NYT best seller's list for more information.And also, in before the hipsters telling us that whatever those people were up to wasn't *real* kink...
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Babboonrash: Rapmaster2000: First of all you guys it's called SM not S&M. You can always tell someone that doesn't really get what the lifestyle is really about when they say that. You guys are probably totally vanilla. I'm into sex things that you've probably never even heard of, man.I'd tell you more, but it would totally blow away your whitebread corporate fornication paradigm. You just wouldn't get it.Go on...
jaylectricity: But that's not what Rent Party is arguing with him about. Do you think Rent Party is trying to make it so he can go to clyph's party and do whatever he wants? No...he's pointing out the elitist attitude that's possessed."
Rent Party: Aello: ok, you know what, I'm done responding to you after this. I think that you want us to be so divisive and close minded so you feel ok about judging us. You find one thing and decide on that as and excuse to not get to know us as individuals. To you, we're ALL boring, the same and hipsters. We annoy you for some unfathomable reason. The story is about two people desperately trying to change the other into what he/she wants. I'm sorry if I see wanting to change someone as a bad thing. Wait, no I'm not. I don't fit into society's expectations of what I should be. But I'm ok with that, I'm where I want to be and I am good with who I am. I hope you have a good life. NamasteYes, so long as you find it suitable to sit around and talk about how someone else is doing it wrong, I'm going to judge you for the intolerant, rigid thinking, boring follower that you are.This isn't about you, cupcake (a common failing of hipsters), it's about all those people you denigrate for whatever it is that gets them off.
Rent Party: Baelz: Rent Party: Aello: 50 Shades is a poorly written piece of crapOf that there is no doubt.and is not accurate in portraying BDSM at all.Aaaand, my case in point.Well.. It's fantasy so what's your point? I got a lot of ideas from reading the Beauty series, and hell even some crap from the Anita Blake series have inspired me. I don't have a problem with the SoG people getting an interest in BDSM at all. I've met subs who got into this from reading Harry Potty fan fiction... Who cares how/why they got an interest.Our resident experts apparently do. Those SoG folks are just noobs, ya know. Whatever they're doing isn't *real* BDSM. Only what I'm doing is real. Look here! It says so right on my Scene Approved List of Real Stuff!
Baelz: Rent Party: Aello: 50 Shades is a poorly written piece of crapOf that there is no doubt.and is not accurate in portraying BDSM at all.Aaaand, my case in point.Well.. It's fantasy so what's your point? I got a lot of ideas from reading the Beauty series, and hell even some crap from the Anita Blake series have inspired me. I don't have a problem with the SoG people getting an interest in BDSM at all. I've met subs who got into this from reading Harry Potty fan fiction... Who cares how/why they got an interest.
Aello: I am a submissive woman but I am NOT a doormat. I know the difference between a man who is dominant, and one who is simply domineering. If I want to play in public at the club, I know there are rules and there are people who enforce those rules like clyph. I follow them or I am kicked out. Same thing at private house parties. If I want to do something not within those rules, then I play one on one with my play partner. You're trying to make it sound like a bad thing that people actually have to live by these rules but there are instances where people get SEVERELY injured and have to go to the ER. 50 Shades is a poorly written piece of crap and is not accurate in portraying BDSM at all.
Baelz: jaylectricity: You know, Rent Party usually comes into threads and is just generally douchey, making douchey arguments. But he's absolutely right about this one. clyph, it appears that in order for somebody to be kinky, they have to subscribe to the "rules" of the "community". You like to think of yourself as a lifeguard, but you are more like a homeowners association.There is a huge difference between private and public. What clyph has been mostly talking about is public scenes/play parties or dungeons. By all means go do whatever floats your boat, and most people won't give a crap what you do behind closed doors.
jabelar: it is even easier, you can use all the "regular" methods used by cults, armies, employers to basically take control of them and progressively put them into a position (physically, mentally, financially) where they are dependent and unable to act or think independently. The psychology of this is really well established.
ExperianScaresCthulhu: Rent Party, I know what you're getting at.I have to ask, though: are you a homosexual?
bluefoxicy: Deman: I think that there has to be something more sinister going on than BDSM practices. I'm betting this has more to do with him keeping her in captivity, forcing her to work at strip clubs, and whatever the hell got him a human trafficking charge."Marilyn Bagley, 47, is charged with five counts, including sex trafficking and forced labor trafficking."She's charged with not being intelligent and human trafficking herself.
Rent Party: And you along to make that judgment.
Aello: who have been willing to teach me the ropes.
Magnanimous_J: Aello: Just because we don't follow the same path doesn't mean we're any less "real" than you.Something tells me that people who "walk your path" had more uncles who loved tickle fights than the average kid, if you know what I mean.
clyph: Rent Party: You guys are pathetic. Really. Close minded asshole control freaks, the lot of you.Yep, just like the lifeguard at the pool tells you "no running" and "no diving in the shallow end" is a close minded asshole control freak. He's just there to rain on your parade and be a buzzkill, not to save your stupid ass when you get in over your head.
clyph: Rent Party: I'm the guy that will tell you to get the fark out of my sex, douchebag. *I and my partner,* being consenting adults, will decide what is and isn't appropriate. And we will do it all without the wisdom of your expertise.Then do it at home, not at a public event or a party I'm running. Because I'll kick your ass out and perma-ban you if you can't play safe and follow the rules...
Rent Party: You guys are pathetic. Really. Close minded asshole control freaks, the lot of you.
No_Good_Name: How are they phony? He isn't going into their bedrooms. He is at a public place where people go to be together and they expect the extra protection of the dm
Aello: Just because we don't follow the same path doesn't mean we're any less "real" than you.
clyph: Whenever you have an event that's open to the public, you always get that one asshole (like you) who thinks the rules don't apply to him. Someone (like me) has to be there to keep him from hurting somebody or ruining the party for everyone else.
Rent Party: So you're the guy that thinks "consenting adults" need a referee?
Aello: And sheesh, I need a good flogging soon.
lewismarktwo: The kinkiest people are the ones who were raised by religious or controlling parents.
clyph: Rent Party: The legions of fatties that feel liberated enough to get off to whatever gets them off as a result of this shiatty book are just as legitimately kinky as you are, Hipster McSpankalot. You are not unique. You have no special knowledge.I chuckle the 50 shades of grey'ers just like I chuckle at the Goreans, because it's cute in a naive and clueless kind of way. It's funny in the same way a baby learning to walk is funny. If that gets them off, they're welcome go for it. Some of them might eventually get a clue and start living in reality instead of bad fiction, but everyone has to start somewhere. Maybe that is a bit elitist of me, but I'm not stopping them from living out their bad fantasies.
clyph: Gothnet: But all y'all are generally pretty unlikeable human beings.Funny, I feel the same way about vanillas.In my experience, you'll find a lot more unlikeable manipulative control freaks at a church social than in a dungeon.
Dr._Michael_Hfuhruhurr: If I'm having sex, someone's getting humiliated.
Gothnet: of the guys I've met who were into it, most were deeply unlikeable. Most were also manipulative control freaks.
Jeremysbrain: He isn't being charged with assault against his wife. He and his wife are being charged with assault against another woman, who isn't named in the article.The article is poorly orginized.
Baelz: I've done things that make 50 Shades of Grey look like a childrens bedtime story in comparison. Would be arrested just like this guy, but as a Dom I always practice safety first and do not ever permanently harm or break my toys. Sure mistakes can happen when doing edge play, but sending a bottom to the hospital is HUGE fail on this guy. Sounds like he was dangerous, and deserves to be removed, but it sucks that all of BDSM has to be shined with the same light.
Because People in power are Stupid: Women have always been into this 'eroticised punishment' more than men who simply want guilt free sexual access and then a sammich.
pottie: brap: There's not enought shade in the world to make that sexy. I am completely baffled by those that take pleasure in being hurt and humiliated.
brap: There's not enought shade in the world to make that sexy.
Baelz: We have this same problem where I live as well. Even something as simple and basic as a spanking is considered assault. When ever someone new comes into the BDSM community we always make sure they're educated about the Laws, and safety.www.ncfsfreedome.orgI've done things that make 50 Shades of Grey look like a childrens bedtime story in comparison. Would be arrested just like this guy, but as a Dom I always practice safety first and do not ever permanently harm or break my toys. Sure mistakes can happen when doing edge play, but sending a bottom to the hospital is HUGE fail on this guy. Sounds like he was dangerous, and deserves to be removed, but it sucks that all of BDSM has to be shined with the same light.
Oysterman: Wait, there was consent but they're trying it as assault? Assumed nanny state until daily mail was reporting on a story from Missouri.//FTA:But if the woman was too young or not intelligent enough to consent... if intelligence is a factor in consent, you're going to have to arrest a whole lot of morans for rape.
Rapmaster2000: First of all you guys it's called SM not S&M. You can always tell someone that doesn't really get what the lifestyle is really about when they say that. You guys are probably totally vanilla. I'm into sex things that you've probably never even heard of, man.I'd tell you more, but it would totally blow away your whitebread corporate fornication paradigm. You just wouldn't get it.
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