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2012-10-01 02:28:45 PM  
3 votes:

Gothnet: But all y'all are generally pretty unlikeable human beings.


Funny, I feel the same way about vanillas.

In my experience, you'll find a lot more unlikeable manipulative control freaks at a church social than in a dungeon.
2012-10-01 02:07:50 PM  
3 votes:
No matter how much you try to sterilize "the scene" by making it sound like some kind of sexual libertarianism, you are still getting off by reopening old emotional trauma, either in yourself or your partner. Just because your mom put out her cigarettes on your skin when she came home drunk and now you can't get it up without a red hot bic lighter on your ass, doesn't mean it's a healthy thing to engage in.
2012-10-01 01:29:14 PM  
3 votes:
Thanks to women working hard like so:

blsciblogs.baruch.cuny.edu

Then future generations following it up:

24.media.tumblr.com

www.newyorker.com

Women in the Western world are more liberated, free, educated and able to make whatever choices they like than in any other time or place in human history.

And with that freedom of choice they have picked the following works (written by women for women) as their selections to outsell and thus by association represent their desires over everything else directed at their gender.

images.wikia.com

www.arnizachariassen.com

The following is how the patriarchy feels about this outcome.

4.bp.blogspot.com
2012-10-01 10:12:26 AM  
3 votes:
Women have always been into this 'eroticised punishment' more than men who simply want guilt free sexual access and then a sammich.
2012-10-01 02:04:12 PM  
2 votes:

Rent Party: I used to get a ration of shiat whenever I would observe that there isn't a woman on the planet that doesn't like a smack in the ass, and to be told she's pretty.

This 50 Shades thing has validated my observations, and I simply refer anyone objecting to that truth to the NYT best seller's list for more information.

And also, in before the hipsters telling us that whatever those people were up to wasn't *real* kink...


Greymalkin: Thanks to women working hard like so:

[blsciblogs.baruch.cuny.edu image 500x756]

Then future generations following it up:

[24.media.tumblr.com image 400x300]

[www.newyorker.com image 465x315]

Women in the Western world are more liberated, free, educated and able to make whatever choices they like than in any other time or place in human history.

And with that freedom of choice they have picked the following works (written by women for women) as their selections to outsell and thus by association represent their desires over everything else directed at their gender.

[images.wikia.com image 300x420]

[www.arnizachariassen.com image 850x429]

The following is how the patriarchy feels about this outcome.

[4.bp.blogspot.com image 240x311]




Lookup the "Norway paradox" or Norwegian paradox. As liberal democracies expand and women more and more are free to choose their path, the biological differences actually become more pronounced. The result is that Norway, one of the most feminist countries in the world,actually has more pronounced gender differences than most conservative countries, including places like Pakistan and Indian. The theory is that since the outcome is not forced, women naturally and biologically more inclined to fields like nursing or child care, while conservative areas women are often forced into fields like medicine and law.

You could make the same hypothesis in the social agreement. As we are more and more free to chose our own mates and have power in the relationship, women are making choices drawn from their biological urges. The result is that women are listing to be over powered and control, even though publicly they proclaim to want fairness and equality. The result is a whole generation of men who almost walk on egg shells to court women, yet they are being drawn even more to alpha males (and men who appear to be alpha). So a minority of men, pysopayhs, thugs, and abusers have no shortage of wowomen while stable middle class engineer types troll eharmony hopelessly. I would expect to see more of this, as well as polyamorous marriages and relationships as these dominant men have less to hold them back from courting a multitude of women willing to withstand abuse. This case has less to do withe rights of women but a legal system that can no longer maintain traditional social mores.
2012-10-01 01:46:45 PM  
2 votes:
He isn't being charged with assault against his wife. He and his wife are being charged with assault against another woman, who isn't named in the article.

The article is poorly orginized.
2012-10-01 01:11:54 PM  
2 votes:

Babboonrash: Rapmaster2000: First of all you guys it's called SM not S&M. You can always tell someone that doesn't really get what the lifestyle is really about when they say that. You guys are probably totally vanilla. I'm into sex things that you've probably never even heard of, man.

I'd tell you more, but it would totally blow away your whitebread corporate fornication paradigm. You just wouldn't get it.

Go on...


No, don't go on. I like my boring, whitebread fornication just the way it is.
2012-10-01 08:42:01 PM  
1 votes:

jaylectricity:
But that's not what Rent Party is arguing with him about. Do you think Rent Party is trying to make it so he can go to clyph's party and do whatever he wants? No...he's pointing out the elitist attitude that's possessed.
"


you're confusing basic legal and safety rules for "elitism". not sure if you're a troll, or just haven't read the damn thread. if it is unsafe, nonconsensual then it is unacceptable. please tell me where he elitism is in that?
2012-10-01 08:24:11 PM  
1 votes:

Rent Party: Aello: ok, you know what, I'm done responding to you after this. I think that you want us to be so divisive and close minded so you feel ok about judging us. You find one thing and decide on that as and excuse to not get to know us as individuals. To you, we're ALL boring, the same and hipsters. We annoy you for some unfathomable reason. The story is about two people desperately trying to change the other into what he/she wants. I'm sorry if I see wanting to change someone as a bad thing. Wait, no I'm not. I don't fit into society's expectations of what I should be. But I'm ok with that, I'm where I want to be and I am good with who I am. I hope you have a good life. Namaste

Yes, so long as you find it suitable to sit around and talk about how someone else is doing it wrong, I'm going to judge you for the intolerant, rigid thinking, boring follower that you are.

This isn't about you, cupcake (a common failing of hipsters), it's about all those people you denigrate for whatever it is that gets them off.


I was setting this argument out, because besides the poorly construed attempts at generalization and armchair psychology you've gotten a lot of bites from your trolling, and that really amuses me. But, aren't you accusing others of doing the same thing you're doing here, and chiding THEM for it?

I mean, my God. Can you be any more blatently obvious of a concern troll than this? I expected better of you, man.


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2012-10-01 07:43:47 PM  
1 votes:

Rent Party: Baelz: Rent Party: Aello: 50 Shades is a poorly written piece of crap

Of that there is no doubt.


and is not accurate in portraying BDSM at all.

Aaaand, my case in point.

Well.. It's fantasy so what's your point? I got a lot of ideas from reading the Beauty series, and hell even some crap from the Anita Blake series have inspired me. I don't have a problem with the SoG people getting an interest in BDSM at all. I've met subs who got into this from reading Harry Potty fan fiction... Who cares how/why they got an interest.

Our resident experts apparently do. Those SoG folks are just noobs, ya know. Whatever they're doing isn't *real* BDSM. Only what I'm doing is real. Look here! It says so right on my Scene Approved List of Real Stuff!


I can honestly say I've never seen someone quite so dedicated at trolling something they clearly have no real world experience with. Why don't you nip off to the next gun porn thread and call them all fascists because they generally insist on a set of agreed-upon ground rules when handling dangerous weapons. You don't like house rules? then don't play at those houses, but also don't be shocked that no one will play with you, because this game is all about trust and moderated danger, and if you can't agree to the ground rules of the community very few people will trust you to play with them
2012-10-01 06:52:45 PM  
1 votes:

Baelz: Rent Party: Aello: 50 Shades is a poorly written piece of crap

Of that there is no doubt.


and is not accurate in portraying BDSM at all.

Aaaand, my case in point.

Well.. It's fantasy so what's your point? I got a lot of ideas from reading the Beauty series, and hell even some crap from the Anita Blake series have inspired me. I don't have a problem with the SoG people getting an interest in BDSM at all. I've met subs who got into this from reading Harry Potty fan fiction... Who cares how/why they got an interest.


Our resident experts apparently do. Those SoG folks are just noobs, ya know. Whatever they're doing isn't *real* BDSM. Only what I'm doing is real. Look here! It says so right on my Scene Approved List of Real Stuff!
2012-10-01 06:35:49 PM  
1 votes:

Aello: I am a submissive woman but I am NOT a doormat. I know the difference between a man who is dominant, and one who is simply domineering. If I want to play in public at the club, I know there are rules and there are people who enforce those rules like clyph. I follow them or I am kicked out. Same thing at private house parties. If I want to do something not within those rules, then I play one on one with my play partner. You're trying to make it sound like a bad thing that people actually have to live by these rules but there are instances where people get SEVERELY injured and have to go to the ER. 50 Shades is a poorly written piece of crap and is not accurate in portraying BDSM at all.


I'm sure it's not, but are you going to try to deny that there are subs that are groomed and domineered into a position where they feel they have to do these things? And that that's utterly unacceptable?
2012-10-01 06:32:46 PM  
1 votes:
I am a submissive woman but I am NOT a doormat. I know the difference between a man who is dominant, and one who is simply domineering. If I want to play in public at the club, I know there are rules and there are people who enforce those rules like clyph. I follow them or I am kicked out. Same thing at private house parties. If I want to do something not within those rules, then I play one on one with my play partner. You're trying to make it sound like a bad thing that people actually have to live by these rules but there are instances where people get SEVERELY injured and have to go to the ER. 50 Shades is a poorly written piece of crap and is not accurate in portraying BDSM at all.
2012-10-01 06:19:23 PM  
1 votes:

Baelz: jaylectricity: You know, Rent Party usually comes into threads and is just generally douchey, making douchey arguments. But he's absolutely right about this one. clyph, it appears that in order for somebody to be kinky, they have to subscribe to the "rules" of the "community". You like to think of yourself as a lifeguard, but you are more like a homeowners association.

There is a huge difference between private and public. What clyph has been mostly talking about is public scenes/play parties or dungeons. By all means go do whatever floats your boat, and most people won't give a crap what you do behind closed doors.


What he has been talking about is judgmental attitudes about whatever gets other people off.

> When I saw all the interest in 50 Shades of Grey I was like "LOL newbs".

> There is a short list of specific techniques/activities that are considered verboten...

> I chuckle the 50 shades of grey'ers just like I chuckle at the Goreans, because it's cute in a naive and clueless kind of way.

If he's into public displays of his own bad Dom self, then groovy. No one (but me) is going to knock him for it. Where he gets completely derailed is with smarmy assed comments like this.

> When I saw all the interest in 50 Shades of Grey I was like "LOL newbs".

> There is a short list of specific techniques/activities that are considered verboten...

> I chuckle the 50 shades of grey'ers just like I chuckle at the Goreans, because it's cute in a naive and clueless kind of way.

That kind of stuff demonstrates *exactly* what he thinks its about. It isn't about kink, or sex, or getting off on whatever gets you off. It's about looking down on whatever gets someone off.

I would much rather hang out with a room full of fat housefraus that just figured out it was OK to like kinky shiat because they read SoG that I would with a pretentious douche that thinks they're all noobs because they aren't going to do it they way he thinks it aught to be done.
2012-10-01 06:13:56 PM  
1 votes:

jabelar: it is even easier, you can use all the "regular" methods used by cults, armies, employers to basically take control of them and progressively put them into a position (physically, mentally, financially) where they are dependent and unable to act or think independently. The psychology of this is really well established.


Classic abusive/controlling personality: Link

And jaylectricity, I've been thinking the same thing throughout this today...
2012-10-01 06:07:36 PM  
1 votes:
I've been involved in BDSM for over 25 years, and there is actually lots of ways in which you can break down someone to the point where the concept of "consent" is really murky.

Even vanilla guys usually know how to take a girl with low self esteem and basically have their way with them.

With submissives and slave inclined people it is even easier, you can use all the "regular" methods used by cults, armies, employers to basically take control of them and progressively put them into a position (physically, mentally, financially) where they are dependent and unable to act or think independently. The psychology of this is really well established. In BDSM it is common to get them to sign "contracts", break off contact with friends and family, give up control of their finances, collar them, brand them, physically cage them. This stuff is now quite common -- I guarantee every neighborhood in US has people living in such subjugation.

So the legal question gets complicated when you can say "but the person wants to lose their freedom" or "the person wants to be tortured and have their bodies branded and modified".

Again, I practice all this stuff myself, but I see lots of examples in the BDSM community where I understand why society would want to re-examine the idea of consensuality. I guarantee that you can make a living out of enslaving people, and at that point it is true that there is little distinction versus the legal definition of "trafficking".

Also, in BDSM you will encounter many people that are mentally ill by any definition. There are people who I regularly encounter who would be willing to pay to have body parts amputated, or even killed through erotic means (like the German Cannibal case).

The tricky thing here is that we have to argue whether there is a "freedom" in choosing to relinquish freedom. No easy answer.
2012-10-01 05:50:02 PM  
1 votes:

ExperianScaresCthulhu:

Rent Party, I know what you're getting at.
I have to ask, though: are you a homosexual?


No. Purely hetrosexual, although I have no objections to participation by other guys if the lady and I agree to it. They aren't what I'm there, for, though.


Are there differences in the scene when it comes to straights
versus homos?


I'm sure there are. It is irrelevant to me, though. I don't do "scenes" at all, as they are the antithesis of what choice is supposed to be about, sexually speaking. Sex is about what the participants make it. It does not require the input of anyone else, no matter how important they think they are.

Basically, if you describe yourself as belonging to "a scene" you are doing whatever it is for the wrong reason. It is a sign of insecurity that you need to belong to something that badly. And I have lots of hobbies where "scenes" are present. I find them all boring, even for activities that I love.


Like the differences between straights and homos
when it comes to swinging?


I dunno, man. I don't know what those differences are. Whatever they are, I hope they make the swingers happy.
2012-10-01 05:29:04 PM  
1 votes:
FTFA: Ed Bagley, 45, of Lebanon, Missouri, is accused of grooming a young woman to be his sex slave starting in 2002, then keeping her captive for years while making money from her images on fetish Internet sites and forcing her to work as a dancer at strip clubs. [...] The case came to light in early 2009 after the woman, then 23, was hospitalized after what prosecutors said was a torture session.

So. 23 in 2009 would make her 16 in 2002. Maybe 17, I suppose, and maybe 15. Still seems a wee bit young to be a slave.

/Can't think of anything sadder than people who feel the need to have contorted sex in public
//Unless it's the guys whose Great Task in Life is supervising them.
2012-10-01 05:17:04 PM  
1 votes:

bluefoxicy: Deman: I think that there has to be something more sinister going on than BDSM practices. I'm betting this has more to do with him keeping her in captivity, forcing her to work at strip clubs, and whatever the hell got him a human trafficking charge.


"Marilyn Bagley, 47, is charged with five counts, including sex trafficking and forced labor trafficking."

She's charged with not being intelligent and human trafficking herself.


Wow, must have missed that those were her charges. Now it's starting to sound like they had a fetish website and offered off the net services to a few of her members or something along those lines.

As for why someone would get into the SM lifestyle? I know I'm about to paint a broad stroke here but out of the handful of people I know who are into it, most have had some sort of traumatic sexual experience in their younger years and a few even remark that is exactly why they're into the lifestyle. It gives them a way to get that rush, but in a controlled situation. I'm also told it's also gives them another level of trust for their partner. Personally I don't need to say "Chocolate Cherries" to stop a flogging to understand how much I can trust a person, but hey, too each his own.
2012-10-01 05:09:46 PM  
1 votes:

Rent Party: And you along to make that judgment.


If I'm running the party, and you're putting someone in danger or behaving recklessly, damn right I will. And if I have proof that you're an unsafe player, I'll warn every sub I know about you.

The more you protest about "hipsters" and following basic safety rules, the more credence you give to the idea that you were ejected one or more organizations for good cause. I know some people in the Seattle scene. I'll have to circulate your picture and find out what you did.
2012-10-01 04:53:11 PM  
1 votes:

Aello: who have been willing to teach me the ropes.


Clever.
2012-10-01 04:52:56 PM  
1 votes:

Magnanimous_J: Aello: Just because we don't follow the same path doesn't mean we're any less "real" than you.

Something tells me that people who "walk your path" had more uncles who loved tickle fights than the average kid, if you know what I mean.



Assume again. I actually had a great childhood. No one molested me, had a roof, food and a wonderful family.
2012-10-01 04:44:36 PM  
1 votes:

clyph: Rent Party: You guys are pathetic. Really. Close minded asshole control freaks, the lot of you.

Yep, just like the lifeguard at the pool tells you "no running" and "no diving in the shallow end" is a close minded asshole control freak. He's just there to rain on your parade and be a buzzkill, not to save your stupid ass when you get in over your head.


Right. So we can dispense with the "I'm OK with your kink" thing, right? Because as of right now, you've equated yourself to a bounce, a life guard, told me how you was gonna permaban me, and in other words demonstrated *exactly* what I said you were, which was a lonely control freak that absolutely *wasn't* OK with someone else's kink.


Go away until you learn to act like a socially responsible adult instead of a spoiled, know-it-all child.


I know pretentious douchebags when I see 'em.
2012-10-01 04:41:52 PM  
1 votes:

clyph: Rent Party: I'm the guy that will tell you to get the fark out of my sex, douchebag. *I and my partner,* being consenting adults, will decide what is and isn't appropriate. And we will do it all without the wisdom of your expertise.

Then do it at home, not at a public event or a party I'm running. Because I'll kick your ass out and perma-ban you if you can't play safe and follow the rules...



My goodness, what a control freak douchebag you are. *Ban* me? Heavens no!

Do you moderate internet chat boards as well?


I'll be looking forward to reading about you in a future thread after you're arrested for your unsafe, reckless, and probably non-consensual behavior. And then we all get to explain AGAIN why assholes like you aren't representative of (or welcome in) the organized BDSM community.


Wah wah wah... "Organized BDSM community." High maintenance, highly judgemental queens looking for acceptance and rigidly inflexible with their rules. The exact *opposite* of kinky, in other words. Boring, one might say.
2012-10-01 04:41:31 PM  
1 votes:

Rent Party: You guys are pathetic. Really. Close minded asshole control freaks, the lot of you.


Yep, just like the lifeguard at the pool tells you "no running" and "no diving in the shallow end" is a close minded asshole control freak. He's just there to rain on your parade and be a buzzkill, not to save your stupid ass when you get in over your head.

Go away until you learn to act like a socially responsible adult instead of a spoiled, know-it-all child.
2012-10-01 04:40:04 PM  
1 votes:
I see BDSM as a sexual preference myself. I've had to come to terms with sexual issues that fall into this realm. I don't think people can understand how loving it can be for a Dom to care for a sub sexually and emotionally. I don't think people want to admit how far a sub will go to elicit acts like flogging. I think BDSM can provide a safe, cathartic outlet for even twisted desires that could lead to criminal acting out. True sadism is actually rare, Doms know their subs are royally getting off.
2012-10-01 04:36:06 PM  
1 votes:

No_Good_Name:
How are they phony? He isn't going into their bedrooms. He is at a public place where people go to be together and they expect the extra protection of the dm


He's a smarmy pretentious douche that casts dispersion on whatever it is that is getting other people off.

Observe:

No, really, allow me to demonstrate, with you first.


There is a short list of specific techniques/activities that are considered verboten

Verbotten? But I thought...

Your kink is not my kink, but your kink is OK


And also...
...which hipster douche said this?

When I saw all the interest in 50 Shades of Grey I was like "LOL newbs".


He isn't an "I'm OK you're OK" equal opportunity freak, he's a rigid, close minded socialite protecting his place in the fiefdom. That he would sneer at whatever motivated someone else to fark in whatever way makes them happy, and then assumes he has some kind of authority or right to judge is *classic* hipster.
2012-10-01 04:32:02 PM  
1 votes:

Aello: Just because we don't follow the same path doesn't mean we're any less "real" than you.


Something tells me that people who "walk your path" had more uncles who loved tickle fights than the average kid, if you know what I mean.
2012-10-01 04:29:04 PM  
1 votes:

clyph:
Whenever you have an event that's open to the public, you always get that one asshole (like you) who thinks the rules don't apply to him. Someone (like me) has to be there to keep him from hurting somebody or ruining the party for everyone else.


So we can dispense with your fiction of "I'm OK with your kink" then, right? And we can acknowledge that my description of "I'm OK with your kink so long as it follows this list of rules right here, and doesn't at all resemble anything out of this stupid ass book, and you acknowledge that you are a silly n00b and I am the kink master" is *entirely* accurate.

You guys are pathetic. Really. Close minded asshole control freaks, the lot of you.
2012-10-01 04:18:32 PM  
1 votes:

Rent Party: So you're the guy that thinks "consenting adults" need a referee?


Do you go to a gym?
Does that gym have rules?
Does that gym have someone who enforces those rules?
Does that person kick you out if you don't follow those rules?
Do you get the point yet?

Whenever you have an event that's open to the public, you always get that one asshole (like you) who thinks the rules don't apply to him. Someone (like me) has to be there to keep him from hurting somebody or ruining the party for everyone else.
2012-10-01 03:57:33 PM  
1 votes:

Aello: And sheesh, I need a good flogging soon.


EIP.
2012-10-01 03:08:39 PM  
1 votes:

lewismarktwo: The kinkiest people are the ones who were raised by religious or controlling parents.



Thanks.  I didn't need to think about my mother's kink.  You just made the list bub.  Right after I go throw up.
2012-10-01 03:06:20 PM  
1 votes:
consent is not a defense to assault resulting in serious physical injury

I guess I should change careers (I was going to be a surgeon).
2012-10-01 03:04:41 PM  
1 votes:

clyph: Rent Party: The legions of fatties that feel liberated enough to get off to whatever gets them off as a result of this shiatty book are just as legitimately kinky as you are, Hipster McSpankalot. You are not unique. You have no special knowledge.

I chuckle the 50 shades of grey'ers just like I chuckle at the Goreans, because it's cute in a naive and clueless kind of way. It's funny in the same way a baby learning to walk is funny. If that gets them off, they're welcome go for it. Some of them might eventually get a clue and start living in reality instead of bad fiction, but everyone has to start somewhere. Maybe that is a bit elitist of me, but I'm not stopping them from living out their bad fantasies.



Oh wait, but

"Your kink is not my kink, but your kink is OK."

That you need rules and "DMs" and have to ensure that D is capitol but that S is lower case tells me just exactly how shallow and uninteresting you, and every hipster scenester you know, really are.

You're guys aren't kinky, you're a pathetic attention whores desperate for attention, and lacking any real differentiating aspects, club together to make up rules.


You sound like you're butthurt that a DM like me wouldn't allow you to endanger the safety of your sub at an event he was in charge of. Boo farking hoo. Learn to play safe, or go somewhere else and we'll read about you in the newspaper when you're arrested for injuring or killing your partner.


The notion that you think you would ever have anything to say about what I do and don't do is *exactly* the kind of hipster douchbag rule fetish I'm talking about, and *exactly* the kind of control freak asshole bit mentioned above. "Allow me?" Who the fark do you think you are?

I know who you're not: You're not special. You are not a snow flake. You're just another boring hipster with a bad wardrobe.
2012-10-01 02:57:40 PM  
1 votes:
The kinkiest people are the ones who were raised by religious or controlling parents.
2012-10-01 02:41:24 PM  
1 votes:

clyph: Gothnet: But all y'all are generally pretty unlikeable human beings.

Funny, I feel the same way about vanillas.

In my experience, you'll find a lot more unlikeable manipulative control freaks at a church social than in a dungeon.


Manipulative control freaks are manipulative control freaks whatever walk of life they're in.

I'm glad you enjoy your thing. I hope you're not perpetuating psychological damage in the women you interact with.
2012-10-01 02:25:45 PM  
1 votes:

Dr._Michael_Hfuhruhurr: If I'm having sex, someone's getting humiliated.


It's you, isn't it?
2012-10-01 02:25:24 PM  
1 votes:

Dr._Michael_Hfuhruhurr: If I'm having sex, someone's getting humiliated.


Is it you?
2012-10-01 02:05:28 PM  
1 votes:

Gothnet: of the guys I've met who were into it, most were deeply unlikeable. Most were also manipulative control freaks.


Manipulative control freaks and deeply unlikeable people are everywhere, both in and outside of the scene. The really objectionable ones tend not to stay in the organized BDSM community for long - it's a pretty close-knit community and word gets around if someone is genuinely abusive, unethical, or unsafe. The scene could do a better job of policing itself, but I still maintain that it's better/safer than a random sampling of the general population, because at least people are aware of and discuss the problem.
2012-10-01 01:48:27 PM  
1 votes:

Jeremysbrain: He isn't being charged with assault against his wife. He and his wife are being charged with assault against another woman, who isn't named in the article.

The article is poorly orginized.



It's painful and pleasurable at the same time.  Almost titilatting with its antici
2012-10-01 01:42:53 PM  
1 votes:

Baelz: I've done things that make 50 Shades of Grey look like a childrens bedtime story in comparison. Would be arrested just like this guy, but as a Dom I always practice safety first and do not ever permanently harm or break my toys. Sure mistakes can happen when doing edge play, but sending a bottom to the hospital is HUGE fail on this guy. Sounds like he was dangerous, and deserves to be removed, but it sucks that all of BDSM has to be shined with the same light.


So much this.

When I saw all the interest in 50 Shades of Grey I was like "LOL newbs". Still, it's nice to see consentual BDSM getting some positive mainstream attention.
2012-10-01 01:34:18 PM  
1 votes:

Because People in power are Stupid: Women have always been into this 'eroticised punishment' more than men who simply want guilt free sexual access and then a sammich.


Some men seem to be deeply into it. Nothing wrong with it if everything's consensual but of the guys I've met who were into it, most were deeply unlikeable. Most were also manipulative control freaks.

Me, guess I like a game of dressup and the odd bit of pain, but I can't think of anything less interesting than head games and domination plays, or whipping someone's bare ass...
2012-10-01 01:32:30 PM  
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pottie: brap: There's not enought shade in the world to make that sexy. 

I am completely baffled by those that take pleasure in being hurt and humiliated.


Some people are just wired differently. What your brain registers as pleasure a masochist's brain registers as pleasure. There is also a point in impact play that anyone can pass where the endorphins and adrenaline reach a point where you're getting high from the pain. So some people jump out of airplanes for an adrenaline rish, and some people use nipple clamps and a flogger... I personally won't jump out of a plane :)
2012-10-01 01:31:16 PM  
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pottie: brap: There's not enought shade in the world to make that sexy. 

I am completely baffled by those that take pleasure in being hurt and humiliated.


I'm baffled by people that find feet sexy. People come in all shapes, sizes, and preferences. The pain and humiliation thing is pretty straight-forward though: essentially it's about sensation and eroticism, and what it takes to get some people primed to orgasm.
2012-10-01 01:24:57 PM  
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brap: There's not enought shade in the world to make that sexy. 


I am completely baffled by those that take pleasure in being hurt and humiliated.
2012-10-01 01:22:53 PM  
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Baelz: We have this same problem where I live as well. Even something as simple and basic as a spanking is considered assault. When ever someone new comes into the BDSM community we always make sure they're educated about the Laws, and safety.

www.ncfsfreedome.org

I've done things that make 50 Shades of Grey look like a childrens bedtime story in comparison. Would be arrested just like this guy, but as a Dom I always practice safety first and do not ever permanently harm or break my toys. Sure mistakes can happen when doing edge play, but sending a bottom to the hospital is HUGE fail on this guy. Sounds like he was dangerous, and deserves to be removed, but it sucks that all of BDSM has to be shined with the same light.


When a shiatty book like 50 Shades (which gets the BDSM world not a bit) is their outline, are you really surprised by this? I was wondering when the first arrest or death would be.
2012-10-01 01:21:22 PM  
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To be fair -- when professional fighters are accused of various crimes, we regularly their profession/in-ring behavior as evidence of a (likely) history of aggression.

So this shiat is stupid and unfair, but it's hardly without precedent.
2012-10-01 01:21:07 PM  
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I think that there has to be something more sinister going on than BDSM practices. I'm betting this has more to do with him keeping her in captivity, forcing her to work at strip clubs, and whatever the hell got him a human trafficking charge.

Don't worry boys and girls, your fetish balls are probably safe, especially since one of the local judges goes there with his wife.
2012-10-01 01:19:13 PM  
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On a side note: has anyone had enough of that fox comercial where the woman screams "YESY YES YEEES" in the sexual tone?

That commercial is pissing me off.
2012-10-01 01:18:28 PM  
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Oysterman: Wait, there was consent but they're trying it as assault? Assumed nanny state until daily mail was reporting on a story from Missouri.

//FTA:But if the woman was too young or not intelligent enough to consent... if intelligence is a factor in consent, you're going to have to arrest a whole lot of morans for rape.


she was old enough to give her consent, and it appears from the article she did in fact give it.. though at some points it wasnt entirely clear

this sounds like a prosecutor who has overstepped his bounds
2012-10-01 01:12:30 PM  
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We have this same problem where I live as well. Even something as simple and basic as a spanking is considered assault. When ever someone new comes into the BDSM community we always make sure they're educated about the Laws, and safety.

www.ncfsfreedome.org

I've done things that make 50 Shades of Grey look like a childrens bedtime story in comparison. Would be arrested just like this guy, but as a Dom I always practice safety first and do not ever permanently harm or break my toys. Sure mistakes can happen when doing edge play, but sending a bottom to the hospital is HUGE fail on this guy. Sounds like he was dangerous, and deserves to be removed, but it sucks that all of BDSM has to be shined with the same light.
2012-10-01 01:07:58 PM  
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Wait, there was consent but they're trying it as assault? Assumed nanny state until daily mail was reporting on a story from Missouri.

//FTA:But if the woman was too young or not intelligent enough to consent... if intelligence is a factor in consent, you're going to have to arrest a whole lot of morans for rape.
2012-10-01 01:06:24 PM  
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Rapmaster2000: First of all you guys it's called SM not S&M. You can always tell someone that doesn't really get what the lifestyle is really about when they say that. You guys are probably totally vanilla. I'm into sex things that you've probably never even heard of, man.

I'd tell you more, but it would totally blow away your whitebread corporate fornication paradigm. You just wouldn't get it.


And that is when he left his parent's basement to beg mom for some lunch.
2012-10-01 12:56:59 PM  
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There's a problem when you safe word is "continue".
2012-10-01 11:09:08 AM  
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I always hear about "grooming girls to be sex slaves" and wonder what that means. Is their hair gel and bikini waxes involved?
2012-10-01 10:20:45 AM  
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There's not enought shade in the world to make that sexy. 
 
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