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2012-10-01 06:44:29 PM
Rent Party, oh don't get me wrong! I am OVERJOYED that there's a renewed interest in BDSM. More new people to meet, new and interesting ideas to exchange, new tricks to learn. It's a GREAT thing. Just not accurate. Anne Rice's Beauty trilogy was more of a stab in right direction.
 
2012-10-01 06:47:48 PM

Aello: 50 Shades is a poorly written piece of crap and is not accurate in portraying BDSM at all.


THIS. Hence my earlier comment about "LOL noobs".

It's good that it's spreading mainstream awareness about BDSM relationships and portraying them in a positive light.

It's bad because it's spreading misinformation and perpetuating stereotypes. It's still better than Twilight, though.

I like the Sleeping Beauty trilogy better - it's so over-the-top and obviously set in a fictional universe that it can't be mistaken as anything but fantasy. Story of O while far-fetched is set in the real world, as is 50 Shades, so it's more tempting to use them as a basis for IRL play.

Of course Gor is another completely fantastical settings, and some people take that FAR too seriously - although in my experience, Goreans are mostly people who play almost exclusively online and have little to no real-world practical experience. Gor is/was a gateway into the IRL community. I know dozens of people who's initial exposure to BDSM was through Gor, I can't think of any of them who still took it seriously after taking their interest offline.
 
2012-10-01 06:48:27 PM

Rent Party: Aello: 50 Shades is a poorly written piece of crap

Of that there is no doubt.


and is not accurate in portraying BDSM at all.

Aaaand, my case in point.


Well.. It's fantasy so what's your point? I got a lot of ideas from reading the Beauty series, and hell even some crap from the Anita Blake series have inspired me. I don't have a problem with the SoG people getting an interest in BDSM at all. I've met subs who got into this from reading Harry Potty fan fiction... Who cares how/why they got an interest.
 
2012-10-01 06:50:21 PM

Aello: Rent Party, oh don't get me wrong! I am OVERJOYED that there's a renewed interest in BDSM. More new people to meet, new and interesting ideas to exchange, new tricks to learn. It's a GREAT thing. Just not accurate.


Accurate according to who? "The scene?" The Approved Bondage Committee? Or perhaps according to a bunch of insecure fetishists upset that some "vanilla" might be doing things differently?

That is a story about two people getting off in whatever way it got them off. That is *exactly* the kind of thing you are all swearing up and down you are all in favor of. And yet, all it receives from the Expert Crowd is derision about how it ain't the real thing, as if there is such a thing.


Anne Rice's Beauty trilogy was more of a stab in right direction.

The right direction. Exactly.

Check.
 
2012-10-01 06:52:44 PM

Gothnet: I'm sure it's not, but are you going to try to deny that there are subs that are groomed and domineered into a position where they feel they have to do these things? And that that's utterly unacceptable?


There are subs in that position. It is unacceptable.

One of the important things is that the community is aware of it, works to educate people as to the problem, and helps get people recognize that they're in a bad relationships and helps them get out.
 
2012-10-01 06:52:45 PM

Baelz: Rent Party: Aello: 50 Shades is a poorly written piece of crap

Of that there is no doubt.


and is not accurate in portraying BDSM at all.

Aaaand, my case in point.

Well.. It's fantasy so what's your point? I got a lot of ideas from reading the Beauty series, and hell even some crap from the Anita Blake series have inspired me. I don't have a problem with the SoG people getting an interest in BDSM at all. I've met subs who got into this from reading Harry Potty fan fiction... Who cares how/why they got an interest.


Our resident experts apparently do. Those SoG folks are just noobs, ya know. Whatever they're doing isn't *real* BDSM. Only what I'm doing is real. Look here! It says so right on my Scene Approved List of Real Stuff!
 
2012-10-01 06:58:26 PM
ok, you know what, I'm done responding to you after this. I think that you want us to be so divisive and close minded so you feel ok about judging us. You find one thing and decide on that as and excuse to not get to know us as individuals. To you, we're ALL boring, the same and hipsters. We annoy you for some unfathomable reason. The story is about two people desperately trying to change the other into what he/she wants. I'm sorry if I see wanting to change someone as a bad thing. Wait, no I'm not. I don't fit into society's expectations of what I should be. But I'm ok with that, I'm where I want to be and I am good with who I am. I hope you have a good life. Namaste
 
2012-10-01 06:58:31 PM
and since nobody else wanted to come out and admit it...

I totally have the weirdest boner right now.
 
2012-10-01 07:01:04 PM

Aello: ok, you know what, I'm done responding to you after this. I think that you want us to be so divisive and close minded so you feel ok about judging us. You find one thing and decide on that as and excuse to not get to know us as individuals. To you, we're ALL boring, the same and hipsters. We annoy you for some unfathomable reason. The story is about two people desperately trying to change the other into what he/she wants. I'm sorry if I see wanting to change someone as a bad thing. Wait, no I'm not. I don't fit into society's expectations of what I should be. But I'm ok with that, I'm where I want to be and I am good with who I am. I hope you have a good life. Namaste


Yes, so long as you find it suitable to sit around and talk about how someone else is doing it wrong, I'm going to judge you for the intolerant, rigid thinking, boring follower that you are.

This isn't about you, cupcake (a common failing of hipsters), it's about all those people you denigrate for whatever it is that gets them off.
 
2012-10-01 07:01:57 PM

Rent Party: Accurate according to who? "The scene?" The Approved Bondage Committee? Or perhaps according to a bunch of insecure fetishists upset that some "vanilla" might be doing things differently?


According to people who know what the fark they are doing and who have learned, through trial and (often painful) error, what works in the real world and what doesn't.

AS in "yeah, that sounds cool in writing, but if you try that in real life she'd get a dislocated shoulder"
 
2012-10-01 07:07:49 PM

Baelz: There is a huge difference between private and public. What clyph has been mostly talking about is public scenes/play parties or dungeons. By all means go do whatever floats your boat, and most people won't give a crap what you do behind closed doors.


But that's not what Rent Party is arguing with him about. Do you think Rent Party is trying to make it so he can go to clyph's party and do whatever he wants? No...he's pointing out the elitist attitude that's possessed.

It's the same as FLYNAVY coming in here and talking about how us noob civies don't know what it's like to get shot at while flying a Lockheed Martin C-130 Hercules. Then Aello (CommandantSavant) comes in to say, "Hells yeah!"
 
2012-10-01 07:08:20 PM

clyph: Rent Party: Accurate according to who? "The scene?" The Approved Bondage Committee? Or perhaps according to a bunch of insecure fetishists upset that some "vanilla" might be doing things differently?

According to people who know what the fark they are doing and who have learned, through trial and (often painful) error, what works in the real world and what doesn't.


So when two people are farking in a way they discover in SoG, as millions are doing right this very moment, that's not "the real world?" They need you around to ref for them? Should they call you in for a consult before they try something out? Are you the arbiter of what is "the real world" now, too?

You know what? You need to get out more. You have a very limited experience, and it is clouding your judgement.
 
2012-10-01 07:10:12 PM

jaylectricity: Baelz: There is a huge difference between private and public. What clyph has been mostly talking about is public scenes/play parties or dungeons. By all means go do whatever floats your boat, and most people won't give a crap what you do behind closed doors.

But that's not what Rent Party is arguing with him about. Do you think Rent Party is trying to make it so he can go to clyph's party and do whatever he wants? No...he's pointing out the elitist attitude that's possessed.

It's the same as FLYNAVY coming in here and talking about how us noob civies don't know what it's like to get shot at while flying a Lockheed Martin C-130 Hercules. Then Aello (CommandantSavant) comes in to say, "Hells yeah!"


I spent six years on an aircraft carrier, and FLYNAVY is still one of my personal Fark Heroes. That thread was epic. But I digress...

/ Sometimes you need kinda' douchey to make a point. :)
 
2012-10-01 07:39:23 PM
How boring is your life that you can only get off to inflicting or receiving pain?
 
2012-10-01 07:43:47 PM

Rent Party: Baelz: Rent Party: Aello: 50 Shades is a poorly written piece of crap

Of that there is no doubt.


and is not accurate in portraying BDSM at all.

Aaaand, my case in point.

Well.. It's fantasy so what's your point? I got a lot of ideas from reading the Beauty series, and hell even some crap from the Anita Blake series have inspired me. I don't have a problem with the SoG people getting an interest in BDSM at all. I've met subs who got into this from reading Harry Potty fan fiction... Who cares how/why they got an interest.

Our resident experts apparently do. Those SoG folks are just noobs, ya know. Whatever they're doing isn't *real* BDSM. Only what I'm doing is real. Look here! It says so right on my Scene Approved List of Real Stuff!


I can honestly say I've never seen someone quite so dedicated at trolling something they clearly have no real world experience with. Why don't you nip off to the next gun porn thread and call them all fascists because they generally insist on a set of agreed-upon ground rules when handling dangerous weapons. You don't like house rules? then don't play at those houses, but also don't be shocked that no one will play with you, because this game is all about trust and moderated danger, and if you can't agree to the ground rules of the community very few people will trust you to play with them
 
2012-10-01 07:47:10 PM
Okay, let's play the analogy game, at least with how I understand what y'all are describing.

When I was in high school, I started doing whitewater kayaking. Now, one of the most fun parts is to find a good bit of rapids, with a nice wave or two, and stay there all afternoon. Inevitably, lots of folks show up if it's a nice day. At every single one, there's a standard way to 'get in line' and a pretty standard way to go through anything complicated.

So someone new looks at it and thinks "these guys are a bunch of assholes! They all want me to do it their way instead of mine!" But you know why everyone is telling them that they aren't allowed to do what they just did anymore? It's because they started by nearly whacking someone with the bow of their boat, continued by just missing a potential deathtrap of a wave, and finished by forcing someone to bail on a cool trick to get out of their way.

The guy saying, "you ought to do it this way" isn't necessarily trying to stop you being yourself, he might just be trying to stop you hurting yourself or someone else.

That being said, y'all do seem to talk about folks who are new to your brand of sex and sex related activities or completely uninterested like they're not as cool as you are.

Also, 'vanilla' isn't a pejorative. Vanilla ice cream is the best and it goes with everything. When's the last time you put rocky road on a slice of fresh pecan pie? That's right. Your sex life might be the rocky road to my vanilla, but my sex life involves pecan pie.

/What? My fiancee makes really good pie.
 
2012-10-01 08:24:07 PM

Robert Poopsmith: Remember : if you can't get off without a complicated ritual and set of mind games, this makes you better and more specialer than people who can.


you know.. a lot of people in the community can get off either way. they do it because they find it fun.

also . for all you trolls.

Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (Edition V) (the next edition of THE BOOK on mental illness) on the specifically states that BDSM falls well within the range of "normal" human psychology. so grow up, trolls.
 
2012-10-01 08:24:11 PM

Rent Party: Aello: ok, you know what, I'm done responding to you after this. I think that you want us to be so divisive and close minded so you feel ok about judging us. You find one thing and decide on that as and excuse to not get to know us as individuals. To you, we're ALL boring, the same and hipsters. We annoy you for some unfathomable reason. The story is about two people desperately trying to change the other into what he/she wants. I'm sorry if I see wanting to change someone as a bad thing. Wait, no I'm not. I don't fit into society's expectations of what I should be. But I'm ok with that, I'm where I want to be and I am good with who I am. I hope you have a good life. Namaste

Yes, so long as you find it suitable to sit around and talk about how someone else is doing it wrong, I'm going to judge you for the intolerant, rigid thinking, boring follower that you are.

This isn't about you, cupcake (a common failing of hipsters), it's about all those people you denigrate for whatever it is that gets them off.


I was setting this argument out, because besides the poorly construed attempts at generalization and armchair psychology you've gotten a lot of bites from your trolling, and that really amuses me. But, aren't you accusing others of doing the same thing you're doing here, and chiding THEM for it?

I mean, my God. Can you be any more blatently obvious of a concern troll than this? I expected better of you, man.


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2012-10-01 08:27:24 PM

Aello: I STILL consider myself a beginner. In the group belong to there are many people who do things way beyond what _I_ am willing to do but that's their dynamic and I don't judge them. I have been lucky enough to find a bunch long timers who have been willing to teach me the ropes.


Hehe, you said ropes. Sorry, it just tickled me.
 
2012-10-01 08:37:30 PM

clyph: Rent Party: And you along to make that judgment.

If I'm running the party, and you're putting someone in danger or behaving recklessly, damn right I will. And if I have proof that you're an unsafe player, I'll warn every sub I know about you.

The more you protest about "hipsters" and following basic safety rules, the more credence you give to the idea that you were ejected one or more organizations for good cause. I know some people in the Seattle scene. I'll have to circulate your picture and find out what you did.


his face is hidden.. find a better one and EIP and i'll try to research

Gothnet: I'm sure it's not, but are you going to try to deny that there are subs that are groomed and domineered into a position where they feel they have to do these things? And that that's utterly unacceptable?


haven't seen it, i doubt it doesn't happen. not it isn't acceptable because they essentially cannot consent.
 
2012-10-01 08:41:07 PM
"I don't deal with women I got to tell them what to do." - Charlie Manson

Seriously, I prefer women who can be good allies: smart, strong women with self-respect. That doesn't mean they can't be sluts, only that they can't be submissive masochists.

Why a man would want anything else is beyond me. Maybe you're not man enough for a real woman? 

And don't be telling me about "biology." If it's women's nature to be submissive masochists than it's men's nature to be wife-beaters and rapists. Get it?

What separates us from the "lower animals" is our ability to reason, to run our lives using the front parts of our brains that lizards and goats don't have. Even when you're naked.
 
2012-10-01 08:42:01 PM

jaylectricity:
But that's not what Rent Party is arguing with him about. Do you think Rent Party is trying to make it so he can go to clyph's party and do whatever he wants? No...he's pointing out the elitist attitude that's possessed.
"


you're confusing basic legal and safety rules for "elitism". not sure if you're a troll, or just haven't read the damn thread. if it is unsafe, nonconsensual then it is unacceptable. please tell me where he elitism is in that?
 
2012-10-01 08:43:35 PM

The One True TheDavid: ....


just because they're a sub in he dungeon, doesn't mean they're a push over outside of it (or even outside of the scene mind you)
 
2012-10-01 08:53:21 PM

The One True TheDavid: "I don't deal with women I got to tell them what to do." - Charlie Manson

Seriously, I prefer women who can be good allies: smart, strong women with self-respect. That doesn't mean they can't be sluts, only that they can't be submissive masochists.

Why a man would want anything else is beyond me. Maybe you're not man enough for a real woman? 

And don't be telling me about "biology." If it's women's nature to be submissive masochists than it's men's nature to be wife-beaters and rapists. Get it?

What separates us from the "lower animals" is our ability to reason, to run our lives using the front parts of our brains that lizards and goats don't have. Even when you're naked.


Just because I'm a submissive doesn't mean I don't have self-respect. It doesn't mean I'm weak and it doesn't mean that I'm not intelligent. The Doms I know love the qualities you mention in their submissives.
 
2012-10-01 09:00:20 PM

Kazan: just because they're a sub in he dungeon, doesn't mean they're a push over outside of it (or even outside of the scene mind you)


Usually, quite the opposite. Most subs I know actually have a crapload of responsibility and authority outside the bedroom. Submission gives them a temporary vacation from that.
 
2012-10-01 09:04:04 PM

BronyMedic: it's about all those people you denigrate for whatever it is that gets them off.


Derpy is one to talk.
 
2012-10-01 09:06:34 PM

The One True TheDavid: That doesn't mean they can't be sluts, only that they can't be submissive masochists.


And the hilarious thing is that women who tend to be submissive or masochistic in the bedroom most often tend to be those in positions of power and control in real life. Submissive men are the same way. It's a "release" for them. It's not about being a weak willed individual - it's a game.

The One True TheDavid: If it's women's nature to be submissive masochists than it's men's nature to be wife-beaters and rapists. Get it?


Weird, the DSM-IV-TR (Current Revision) and the DSM-V (The Upcoming) both state that BDSM and Sadomasochism are normal human sexual variations that are only to be considered unhealthy or pathological when certain distinct conditions exist.

The One True TheDavid: Why a man would want anything else is beyond me. Maybe you're not man enough for a real woman?


Because control is sexy. Both men and women like to swap it around in some form or another. Even if it's just the top partner pinning the bottom partner's wrists against the mattress in the missionary position. The endorphins and adrenaline released heighten the sensations of sex.
 
2012-10-01 09:13:25 PM
The wife is NOT the one he's being charged with abusing, although the Daily Mail headline and first paragraph deliberately muddle matters.
 
2012-10-01 09:14:31 PM

jaylectricity: But that's not what Rent Party is arguing with him about. Do you think Rent Party is trying to make it so he can go to clyph's party and do whatever he wants? No...he's pointing out the elitist attitude that's possessed.


So, if I get together with a group of consenting adults who enjoy being tied up and gone to town on, and I don't allow them to suspend one of their partners in my house, where I have legal liability as well as criminal responsibility, with metal handcuffs - a practice which can cause severe limb and nerve injury - then I'm an elitist? If one of the bottoms says no, or uses a safeword, and the top doesn't listen, and I eject that top from my premises on the grounds that they neither did something that was safe, sane, or consensual, I'm an elitist?

Am I a hipster because I don't want someone using the excuse of BDSM to fark animals or children on my property?

I'm a prick because I don't want someone playing with cutting, piercing, or doing things which spread infectious bodily fluids, and put me at major risk of getting a lawsuit, or going to jail for a crime even though it was a consensual act between two adults?

Of course there are rules. There's a reason the concept of limits, and safe/sane/consensual play. Because there is always a chance someone could die, or be severely injured from completely consensual play. And it does happen, and the courts and public tend to frown on such acts.

But, let's get away from that: What happened in this article was neither consensual, or would be condoned by any rational human being.

jaylectricity:
It's the same as FLYNAVY coming in here and talking about how us noob civies don't know what it's like to get shot at while flying a Lockheed Martin C-130 Hercules. Then Aello (CommandantSavant) comes in to say, "Hells yeah!"

So, I'm confused here. Are you saying that Aello is a sock puppet for Clyph? Or are you saying that Rent Party would know better about kinky play than people who have done kinky play for years and decades of their life?
 
2012-10-01 09:17:38 PM
The Muthaship:

If you get your sexual kicks from inflicting pain on and exerting total control over others, you are one step below a serial killer in my book.

Bingo. Very much this.
 
2012-10-01 09:19:08 PM

Aello: Rent Party, oh don't get me wrong! I am OVERJOYED that there's a renewed interest in BDSM. More new people to meet, new and interesting ideas to exchange, new tricks to learn. It's a GREAT thing. Just not accurate. Anne Rice's Beauty trilogy was more of a stab in right direction.


Sleeping Beauty trilogy had offensive class issues going down within it.
 
2012-10-01 09:19:44 PM

Kazan: jaylectricity:
But that's not what Rent Party is arguing with him about. Do you think Rent Party is trying to make it so he can go to clyph's party and do whatever he wants? No...he's pointing out the elitist attitude that's possessed.
"

you're confusing basic legal and safety rules for "elitism". not sure if you're a troll, or just haven't read the damn thread. if it is unsafe, nonconsensual then it is unacceptable. please tell me where he elitism is in that?


You are the one missing the point. I think it's great that clyph is doing a service for people that want to get kinky without all the responsibility of knowing what's safe and what's morally acceptable. It's just the part where he thinks he's some kind of expert because he rolls with people that want to do things a specific way. That there has to be a BDSM "community" and you have to be a part of it if you expect to be legitimately kinky.

It's a joke.

BronyMedic: I expected better of you, man.


You did? Pfft.
 
2012-10-01 09:20:17 PM
Robert Poopsmith:

Remember : if you can't get off without a complicated ritual and set of mind games, this makes you better and more specialer than people who can.

OH. Now ya tell me.
 
2012-10-01 09:21:14 PM
clyph:

I love BDSM threads. They always give me a few more ignorant, narrow-minded bigots to add to my block list.

Please subscribe me to your block list.
 
2012-10-01 09:23:10 PM

BronyMedic: Are you saying that Aello is a sock puppet for Clyph?


I don't know if she's in to fisting, but I'd make her my puppet if she is :)
 
2012-10-01 09:24:25 PM

The One True TheDavid: Please subscribe me to your block list.


You are now tagged as "willfully ignorant bigot". Happy?
 
2012-10-01 09:25:56 PM
spiderpaz:

If you don't have a problem with football players smashing heads until they can't remember their names, you have no business telling sex freaks to tone it down, since both cases are consensual.

I do have a problem with football players smashing heads until they can't remember their names: I don't like stupid people who try to become stupider. In my book they're worse than BDSMers, and that's saying something.

Boxing and American football, no; basketball and soccer, yes.

(Therefore y'all should elect me Monarch of the Internet.)
 
2012-10-01 09:26:11 PM

BronyMedic: So, if I get together with a group of consenting adults who enjoy being tied up and gone to town on, and I don't allow them to suspend one of their partners in my house, where I have legal liability as well as criminal responsibility, with metal handcuffs - a practice which can cause severe limb and nerve injury - then I'm an elitist?


Here's the problem...none of you farking know how to read. This has nothing to do with that. Rent Party is banging on him for the way he is posting in this thread. RP has clarified it MULTIPLE times. The "LOL NEWBS" and such.

This has nothing to do with the BDSM parties that clyph works for. It is all about his attitude in this thread.
 
2012-10-01 09:29:32 PM

ExperianScaresCthulhu: Sleeping Beauty trilogy had offensive class issues going down within it.


That's about the least offensive thing. The rampant nonconsensuality is far more disturbing. And some of the scenes described would be potentially lethal if attempted in IRL.
 
2012-10-01 09:30:15 PM

jaylectricity: This has nothing to do with the BDSM parties that clyph works for. It is all about his attitude in this thread.


Learn to distinguish between snark and serious.
 
2012-10-01 09:30:25 PM

The One True TheDavid: The Muthaship:

If you get your sexual kicks from inflicting pain on and exerting total control over others, you are one step below a serial killer in my book.

Bingo. Very much this.


Well, David. I'm glad have you. Without your opinion, we would have to listen to men and women who have made Psychiatry and Psychology their life's work.

The One True TheDavid: Please subscribe me to your block list.


Don't ignore him! He earned a "Pedophile Apologist" tag on my FARK for some reason (Should have tagged it with the thread number.) People like that are always amusing.

jaylectricity: It's just the part where he thinks he's some kind of expert because he rolls with people that want to do things a specific way. That there has to be a BDSM "community" and you have to be a part of it if you expect to be legitimately kinky.


Can you quote to me where he says that he's an "expert", or acts like you have to be part of a group to be kinky? Frankly, it sounds like quite a few people in this thread are trying to shove their morals down other people's throats, who are doing consensual acts with adults making informed decisions in the privacy of their own venues or homes. I find that FAR more offensive as an American, and as a human being, than the fact that someone likes to get off while being flogged while others watch.

And no offense, but if he's been doing it for any length of time - AND is a member of a local BDSM group put in the position of overseeing play parties, I'd expect for him to know what he's doing. And if he's hosting the venue, he's liable for any civil damages that occur under his watch. And, under the eyes of the court of public opinion, and the law in some situations, he could be criminally liable for anything from assault, to facilitation of rape, if he didn't step in.

You don't have to be in a BDSM group to be kinky. I enjoy a bit of the bondage, and I'd never be a part of that. But if you're going to play IN a group with other people, you should damn well expect to follow their rules, or GTFO and go somewhere else. Especially with something still as taboo as BDSM.

jaylectricity: BronyMedic: I expected better of you, man.

You did? Pfft.


You're damn right I expect better of my favorite trolls.
 
2012-10-01 09:32:06 PM

The One True TheDavid: "I don't deal with women I got to tell them what to do." - Charlie Manson

Seriously, I prefer women who can be good allies: smart, strong women with self-respect. That doesn't mean they can't be sluts, only that they can't be submissive masochists.

Why a man would want anything else is beyond me. Maybe you're not man enough for a real woman? 

And don't be telling me about "biology." If it's women's nature to be submissive masochists than it's men's nature to be wife-beaters and rapists. Get it?

What separates us from the "lower animals" is our ability to reason, to run our lives using the front parts of our brains that lizards and goats don't have. Even when you're naked.


No, as the Reverend Mother Helen Gaius Mohiam observed ""You've heard of animals chewing off a leg to escape a trap? There's an animal kind of trick. A human would remain in the trap, endure the pain, feigning death that he might kill the trapper and remove a threat to his kind"

If you've never expereinced it, it's hard to understand, but a healthy Dom Sub relationship is a lot like the realtionship of a drill sargeant to a recruit, From a distance it looks antagonistic and brutal, but the truth of it is that the sargeant is trying to better the recruit, make them stronger and more confident and tougher than they ever dreamed possible. Pushing limits, and pain tolerances and boundaries, when done right, shows a person that they can transcend thier self-imposed limits and be a person they've never imagined they were capable of being.
 
2012-10-01 09:32:49 PM
clyph:

the organized BDSM community.

An organized community for the sexually deranged. How special.

Maybe what I need is an organized BTOF community. One rule: no teeth. And you've got to let me use a glory hole because once you see the rest of me you'll want hazard pay.


*Blow The Old Fart. Line forms here.
 
2012-10-01 09:35:17 PM

jaylectricity: Here's the problem...none of you farking know how to read. This has nothing to do with that. Rent Party is banging on him for the way he is posting in this thread. RP has clarified it MULTIPLE times. The "LOL NEWBS" and such.


What little I've seen has consisted of RP being a concern troll and a textbook example of Tu Quo Quo. It's not my fault that he's had his humerus removed.

If you're going to call out others for their behavior, don't exhibit the exact same behavior while standing on a ground of moral superiority.

ExperianScaresCthulhu: Sleeping Beauty trilogy had offensive class issues going down within it.


I'm pretty sure the beauty trilogy has enough in it to earn it's own entry under "Squick" on TvTropes. Including beastiality and scat.

The offensive class issues are the least of it's concerns.

However, Gor makes the Beauty trilogy out to look like Hemmingway.
 
2012-10-01 09:38:51 PM

The One True TheDavid: An organized community for the sexually deranged. How special.


tallraz.com

The One True TheDavid: Maybe what I need is an organized BTOF community. One rule: no teeth. And you've got to let me use a glory hole because once you see the rest of me you'll want hazard pay.


You've never worked in a nursing home. You know the poor CNAs have to clean the old folks up after, right?
 
2012-10-01 09:39:32 PM

BronyMedic: Can you quote to me where he says that he's an "expert"?


clyph: Hence the mantra of the BDSM community: Your kink is not my kink, but your kink is OK (as long as it is safe, sane, and consensual).

There's a big difference between saying "I don't like ____, so I'm not going to do it" and "I don't like ____, so you shouldn't be allowed to do it". No one in the scene would judge you for setting your limits according to your own comfort level; they wouldn't be so understanding if you denigrated people who like things that you don't.

I've been in the scene for close to 20 years,


After "explaining" the scene, he validates it by saying he's been there for 20 years. The scene.

BronyMedic: Can you quote to me where he says that he acts like you have to be part of a group to be kinky?


clyph: When I saw all the interest in 50 Shades of Grey I was like "LOL newbs".
clyph: No one in the scene would judge you for setting your limits according to your own comfort level;

That's close enough to give some credence to what Rent Party is saying. If you need exact wording, then I assume you have joined the Troll Party and want to drag this out further. Who knows...maybe I'll let you.
 
2012-10-01 09:41:24 PM
Stupid "too many nested tags" BS.
 
2012-10-01 09:42:39 PM
Arthen:

How boring is your life that you can only get off to inflicting or receiving pain?

This.
 
2012-10-01 09:46:16 PM
Kazan:

Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (Edition V) (the next edition of THE BOOK on mental illness) on the specifically states that BDSM falls well within the range of "normal" human psychology. so grow up, trolls.

Oh right, because I should live my life according to a handbook for labeling "mental problems" so HMOs will pay the bills.

Sheesh.

Please subscribe me to your Ignore list too.
 
2012-10-01 09:50:06 PM

jaylectricity: After "explaining" the scene, he validates it by saying he's been there for 20 years. The scene.


So he's been playing kinky with an established group of consenting adults, or with a consenting adult partner, for 20 years, but in your mind he doesn't know what he's talking about because he uses lingo that would be expected of people talking to other people who are in that group?

Pro-Tip: People who are into BDSM refer to it as a "scene" normally, because it lets them talk about liking being tied up and gone to town on without most people who are not into public or group kink knowing what they are talking about.

jaylectricity: That's close enough to give some credence to what Rent Party is saying.


Rent Party has been Tu Quo Quo trolling from the beginning. The fact that you're white knighting someone who's calling other people out on their supposedly "hipster" behavior, while claiming to be part of the "normals" is deliciously ironic.

jaylectricity: clyph: When I saw all the interest in 50 Shades of Grey I was like "LOL newbs".


If you take your ideas and images about the BDSM-practicing community of consensual adults from a book who's main character, Christian Gray, is only into BDSM because it gives him an excuse - in the author's own words - to legally physically and sexually abuse women because he himself was emotionally, physically, and sexually abused as a child by his family - then you deserve to be laughed at. Imagine that, people who have consensually decided to have a relationship which implements elements of power exchange would be offended by that characterization, which is a complete myth.

How dare he not like people portraying him as a power hungry abuser. The nerve of him!

jaylectricity: clyph: No one in the scene would judge you for setting your limits according to your own comfort level;


Because telling someone you don't want to have needles piercing your nipples in a play scene is the same as taking your ideas about what BDSM is actually about from a book which characterizes dominant males in the BDSM lifestyle as abusers, amirite?

jaylectricity: Who knows...maybe I'll let you.


Oh, I can't wait.

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