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(Minneapolis Star Tribune)   Just like all the experts predicted, in arguably the toughest division in the NFL, the Minnesota Vikings are in first place   (startribune.com) divider line 99
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2012-10-01 09:13:05 AM
Step 1: The "experts" make baseless predictions.
Step 2: After those baseless predictions go awry, the "experts" wonder aloud how the "experts" could have gotten it wrong.
Step 3: Sports fans, collectively possessing a shorter attention span than their brain-damaged heroes, respond with "LOL COOR'S LIGHT THA WORLD'S MOST REFRESTHING BEER".
Step 4: Repeat Step 1.
 
2012-10-01 09:23:04 AM
Ponder is looking good and they do have AP.

Then again, the Redskins started the 2011 season 3-1.
 
2012-10-01 10:17:23 AM

SlothB77: Ponder is looking good and they do have AP.

Then again, the Redskins started the 2011 season 3-1.


I'll give you AP, but Ponder threw for like 112 yards yesterday. He's taking care of the ball, but I'd come up short of saying he's looking good for now.

I was most impressed by the fact that somewhere along the way, MIN got a secondary.
 
2012-10-01 10:45:26 AM
Is Detroit just horrible on special teams? Didn't they give up a kick AND a punt return for TD this week and last week?
 
2012-10-01 10:46:19 AM
HAHAHAHAHAHAhahahaha what the fark ever. They'll blow it soon enough.
 
2012-10-01 11:03:41 AM

jaylectricity: Is Detroit just horrible on special teams? Didn't they give up a kick AND a punt return for TD this week and last week?


Yup. First time for everything, I guess. Glad it was the Lions being the first.
 
2012-10-01 11:12:04 AM
It's hard being a Lions fan. When your special teams give up 2 touchdowns a game there's really not much you can do.
 
2012-10-01 11:12:12 AM
Yes, but will they still be leading the division in late November?

/I'll be impressed then
 
2012-10-01 11:13:14 AM

jaylectricity: Is Detroit just horrible on special teams? Didn't they give up a kick AND a punt return for TD this week and last week?


The Lions need to change up from their flex-porous special teams formation.

Horrible coverage.
 
2012-10-01 11:13:36 AM
Don't the Vikings consistently come out to good starts only to find new ways to fail after mid-season? I guess last season would be an outlier
 
2012-10-01 11:14:47 AM
In other news, the season is 16 games long and your division standing after 4 games doesn't necessarily reflect your division standing after 12 more games.
 
2012-10-01 11:15:06 AM
The buccaneers were 4-2 to start last season.
 
2012-10-01 11:15:21 AM
It's just like the gypsy woman said!
 
2012-10-01 11:18:26 AM
Sure, they're in the lead now, but they have ONE more win than the Packers. The Vikings may get a good number of wins and even make the playoffs, but they will not win the Division. The Vikings will likely finish the season in a tight race for the #6 seed.
 
2012-10-01 11:19:04 AM
Bad as the Lions special teams are, they'd still be 3-1 if Stafford could just figure out that when the safeties are playing 20 yards off the line of scrimmage, the middle of the field is wide-open.
 
2012-10-01 11:22:24 AM
Football 101:

Good things happen when you take care of the ball.
 
2012-10-01 11:24:43 AM
Vikes fan. No, they won't win the division or make the playoffs but they're obviously playing beyond expectations and showing the kind of improvement we were looking for this year. Just hope they keep playing smart and staying competitive.
 
2012-10-01 11:27:35 AM

karmaceutical: Don't the Vikings consistently come out to good starts only to find new ways to fail after mid-season? I guess last season would be an outlier


It's called the AP effect (and to a lesser extent the Harvin effect). Your team is good only as long as that player is healthy. Afterwards, you become the glaringly one-dimensional team that everyone thought you were and the entrance matte of the division.

Lions do not look good. Sorry, I wanted to believe. I'm excited to see if the Bears are a legit team or not tonight.
 
2012-10-01 11:32:19 AM

js34603: In other news, the season is 16 games long and your division standing after 4 games doesn't necessarily reflect your division standing after 12 more games.


Oh come on. They've already won as many games as many people thought they'd win during the entire season. Will they finish on top? Doubtful, but give them credit for not being the bag of shiat practically everyone expected them to be (including myself).
 
2012-10-01 11:36:30 AM

jaylectricity: Is Detroit just horrible on special teams? Didn't they give up a kick AND a punt return for TD this week and last week?


... yes. The sad thing is that if our special teams were even moderately competent, we would be 3-1 right now even with the lack of a consistent offense. Our defense - supposedly the achilles heel of the Lions - is arguably one of the top defenses in the NFL. Seriously - our defense is only giving up an average of 18pts a game, which is top 10 in the NFL. It's our special teams and our offense that are letting us down and giving away another 10pts a game.We're 11th overall in yards allowed and an astounding 11th against the pass even with us STARTING practice squad guys and missing most of our starters all year long. Our defense is doing better than expected even as our D-Line disappoints by being inconsistent and not getting to the QB very often.

Surprising to me is that our offense is top 10 right now. Top in passing, averaging over 90 yards rushing a game (?!?) which is a dismal 20th, and averaging 25pts a game. It's not as much as we expected but it's pretty decent.

It's just our special teams that are letting us down entirely.

/Go Lions!
//It's going to be a long, long season...
 
2012-10-01 11:37:02 AM

upndn: Football 101:

Good things happen when you take care of the ball.


I use a variation of that one on the ladies. If you know what I mean...
 
2012-10-01 11:37:39 AM

digistil: js34603: In other news, the season is 16 games long and your division standing after 4 games doesn't necessarily reflect your division standing after 12 more games.

Oh come on. They've already won as many games as many people thought they'd win during the entire season. Will they finish on top? Doubtful, but give them credit for not being the bag of shiat practically everyone expected them to be (including myself).


I have the exact same feeling about the Chiefs, if it was the exact opposite.
 
2012-10-01 11:39:57 AM

Techhell: jaylectricity: Is Detroit just horrible on special teams? Didn't they give up a kick AND a punt return for TD this week and last week?

... yes. The sad thing is that if our special teams were even moderately competent, we would be 3-1 right now even with the lack of a consistent offense. Our defense - supposedly the achilles heel of the Lions - is arguably one of the top defenses in the NFL. Seriously - our defense is only giving up an average of 18pts a game, which is top 10 in the NFL. It's our special teams and our offense that are letting us down and giving away another 10pts a game.We're 11th overall in yards allowed and an astounding 11th against the pass even with us STARTING practice squad guys and missing most of our starters all year long. Our defense is doing better than expected even as our D-Line disappoints by being inconsistent and not getting to the QB very often.

Surprising to me is that our offense is top 10 right now. Top in passing, averaging over 90 yards rushing a game (?!?) which is a dismal 20th, and averaging 25pts a game. It's not as much as we expected but it's pretty decent.

It's just our special teams that are letting us down entirely.

/Go Lions!
//It's going to be a long, long season...


You should trade Megatron to the 'Skins for 5 or 6 first rounders.
 
2012-10-01 11:40:05 AM

thecpt: I'm excited to see if the Bears are a legit team or not tonight


And that's what a lot of fans are saying about Dallas, too.

It really is an interesting game tonight; the teams are mirror images of each other. Terrible offensive line problems, scary defensive line / pass-rush, big athletic receivers, quarterbacks who can move the chains (but who tend to get rattled with pressure).

I think the difference will be special teams. And Hester is way over-due.
 
2012-10-01 11:44:39 AM

Jubeebee: SlothB77: Ponder is looking good and they do have AP.

Then again, the Redskins started the 2011 season 3-1.

I'll give you AP, but Ponder threw for like 112 yards yesterday. He's taking care of the ball, but I'd come up short of saying he's looking good for now.

I was most impressed by the fact that somewhere along the way, MIN got a secondary.


He had 3 TDs last week and, aside from yesterday, has been the main reason they've stayed in games so far. For a sophomore with what's still a shaky OL, I'd say he's doing pretty well.
 
2012-10-01 11:49:36 AM
Just hope your defense stays healthy and enjoy your Thanksgiving... starting that Sunday things get brutal.
 
2012-10-01 11:56:55 AM
Given the Packers are playing against the refs as well, lately, I'm not too worried about their season.
 
2012-10-01 12:01:07 PM

Harvey Manfrenjensenjen: Just hope your defense stays healthy and enjoy your Thanksgiving... starting that Sunday things get brutal.


If we can beat the 49ers at home, Then we should at LEAST be competitive those 3 divisional home games.
 
2012-10-01 12:01:12 PM

digistil: js34603: In other news, the season is 16 games long and your division standing after 4 games doesn't necessarily reflect your division standing after 12 more games.

Oh come on. They've already won as many games as many people thought they'd win during the entire season. Will they finish on top? Doubtful, but give them credit for not being the bag of shiat practically everyone expected them to be (including myself).


The point is they could still turn out to be a bag of shiat. If they go 0-12 the rest of the season and finish 3-13 will they have exceeded the expectations "everyone" had for them?

It is not so much a criticism of the Vikings as of "experts"who think 3-1 means something big, or who thought they were going 0-16. Obviously, like nearly every polarizing issue ever, the truth is in the middle.

They look OK to me, but I've only seen bits and pieces of their games. I don't expect them to go 3-13 and I don't expect them to win 10. Green Bay and Chicago are better in their own division, and Detroit should be though they aren't playing like it now. So ultimately, the 3-1 record right now won't mean anything depending on how they finish the remaining 12 games, that was my only point.
 
2012-10-01 12:02:45 PM

Harvey Manfrenjensenjen: Just hope your defense stays healthy and enjoy your Thanksgiving... starting that Sunday things get brutal.


So you are saying that GB x2, CHI x2 and Houston in the final 6 games is tough?

7 wins would be nice. Looking forward to 2013, OL, RB, QB and TEs are set. Need to lock Percy up long term and find out if Simpson is a viable #2/deep threat.

On defense, Harrison Smith is already the best Safety on the roster as a rookie. Need to spend a high draft pick on an LB, and then get some later round talent to groom for replacing Kevin Williams and Antoine Winfield.

Really need to think about making a run in 2013 or 2014 before Adrian and Jared start going on the downhill slide.
 
2012-10-01 12:03:32 PM
The formerly pitiful NFC West would like a word with you all.
 
2012-10-01 12:19:03 PM

mjohnson71: The formerly pitiful NFC West would like a word with you all.


As a long time 49ers fan all I have to say is:
www.fosterspage.net
 
2012-10-01 12:23:53 PM

fickenchucker: Given the Packers are playing against the refs as well, lately, I'm not too worried about their season.


I know that I think 'Yeah, NO is really a good team just temporarily disrupted by the bounty thing,' and 'GB is really a good team hitting a few bad bumps and refs. etc.' but The Packers barely beat one of the worst teams in the league yesterday.
 
2012-10-01 12:24:31 PM

mjohnson71: The formerly pitiful NFC West would like a word with you all.


It's all about the North ;) can't wait to see my bears tonight... if they can avoid choking during a primetime game again...
 
2012-10-01 12:32:57 PM

TheOther: I know that I think 'Yeah, NO is really a good team just temporarily disrupted by the bounty thing,' and 'GB is really a good team hitting a few bad bumps and refs. etc.' but The Packers barely beat one of the worst teams in the league yesterday.


Well, you do have to remember that they killed the clock (so they didn't try to win by more), and there was that whole ignored obvious fumble, and Harrell helped turn 7 points into 7 points the other way...and one-eyed Rodgers then threw a pick. So it wasn't really all that close.
 
2012-10-01 12:33:47 PM

RickyWilliams'sBong: Jubeebee: SlothB77: Ponder is looking good and they do have AP.

Then again, the Redskins started the 2011 season 3-1.

I'll give you AP, but Ponder threw for like 112 yards yesterday. He's taking care of the ball, but I'd come up short of saying he's looking good for now.

I was most impressed by the fact that somewhere along the way, MIN got a secondary.

He had 3 TDs last week and, aside from yesterday, has been the main reason they've stayed in games so far. For a sophomore with what's still a shaky OL, I'd say he's doing pretty well.


When you are up 20-6 for 2+ quarters and you have a QB who hasn't played a full season of games AND you have a top 5 RB, you simply don't need to throw the ball alot. Also, Detroit had all that dinky shiat we do to Percy sniffed out from the beginning and that effects the yardage too.
 
2012-10-01 12:36:48 PM

IAmRight: Well, you do have to remember that they killed the clock (so they didn't try to win by more), and there was that whole ignored obvious fumble, and Harrell helped turn 7 points into 7 points the other way...and one-eyed Rodgers then threw a pick. So it wasn't really all that close.


I don't want to use those as excuses, but yeah those aren't going to happen every game. Still I had nightmares about how our secondary and LBs got picked apart like succulent chicken wings. I think the stat came up that they gave up as many passing yards in that game as they did in the first three combined. They looked good against the run though, which gives me a little hope for the Texans game.

/let me be delusional
 
2012-10-01 12:40:00 PM

Jim from Saint Paul: RickyWilliams'sBong: Jubeebee: SlothB77: Ponder is looking good and they do have AP.

Then again, the Redskins started the 2011 season 3-1.

I'll give you AP, but Ponder threw for like 112 yards yesterday. He's taking care of the ball, but I'd come up short of saying he's looking good for now.

I was most impressed by the fact that somewhere along the way, MIN got a secondary.

He had 3 TDs last week and, aside from yesterday, has been the main reason they've stayed in games so far. For a sophomore with what's still a shaky OL, I'd say he's doing pretty well.

When you are up 20-6 for 2+ quarters and you have a QB who hasn't played a full season of games AND you have a top 5 RB, you simply don't need to throw the ball alot. Also, Detroit had all that dinky shiat we do to Percy sniffed out from the beginning and that effects the yardage too.


Yes, now if only somebody could let Ryan Tannehill know that.

(I know, I know. Rookie QB, backbreaking picks go with the territory.)
 
2012-10-01 12:47:48 PM

mjohnson71: The formerly pitiful NFC West would like a word with you all.


I must say the NFC west looks dominating this year (except the Rams) As a Packer fan, I look forward to potential rematches in the post season.
 
2012-10-01 12:56:44 PM
So the Texans won and will remain #1 in the power rankings. And the Jags and Titans both lost while Indy was idle, which raises a question:

What's the largest ever Power Rankings gap between #1 and #2 in a given division? Because, I think that record will be broken tomorrow.
 
2012-10-01 12:58:39 PM

Sachlpch: I must say the NFC west looks dominating this year (except the Rams) As a Packer fan, I look forward to potential rematches in the post season.


Rams are within 30 seconds of being 3-1 right now.
 
2012-10-01 01:01:09 PM

mjohnson71: The formerly pitiful NFC West would like a word with you all.


All divisions looks good because there are really no great teams.

The 49ers are good, the Seahawks are medicore, and the Rams are a step above bad.

The Cards are the question.. though I'm pretty sure they're nowhere near as good as what you'd think a 4-0 team would be... probably a slight step ahead of Seattle.

There's a reason the past couple of years wildcard teams have won the SB.. it's because the NFL is pretty blah and every team has critical flaws.
 
2012-10-01 01:17:27 PM

HaywoodJablonski: So the Texans won and will remain #1 in the power rankings. And the Jags and Titans both lost while Indy was idle, which raises a question:

What's the largest ever Power Rankings gap between #1 and #2 in a given division? Because, I think that record will be broken tomorrow.


How about 2007, when the Pats won 4 more games than the other 3 division teams combined? There had to be a pretty big gap there at some point.
 
2012-10-01 01:19:18 PM

IAmRight: TheOther: I know that I think 'Yeah, NO is really a good team just temporarily disrupted by the bounty thing,' and 'GB is really a good team hitting a few bad bumps and refs. etc.' but The Packers barely beat one of the worst teams in the league yesterday.

Well, you do have to remember that they killed the clock (so they didn't try to win by more), and there was that whole ignored obvious fumble, and Harrell helped turn 7 points into 7 points the other way...and one-eyed Rodgers then threw a pick. So it wasn't really all that close.


The Saints are the best 0-4 team in NFL history dude.
 
2012-10-01 01:24:15 PM

IAmRight: Sachlpch: I must say the NFC west looks dominating this year (except the Rams) As a Packer fan, I look forward to potential rematches in the post season.

Rams are within 30 seconds of being 3-1 right now.


Wins are wins, losses are losses.

If we want to play that game, fine. The Vikes are one stupid Jared Allen penalty away from being 4-0.

/Packers wern't jobbed out of a win either
//those 3 TERRIBLE penalties on their last scoring drive, consistently breathing new life into the drive, gave them life they shouldn;t have had
///couldashoudawoulda
 
2012-10-01 01:26:04 PM

RaistlinsLegacy: mjohnson71: The formerly pitiful NFC West would like a word with you all.

It's all about the North ;) can't wait to see my bears tonight... if they can avoid choking during a primetime game again...


Me too, since I'll be sure to be heckled at Jerryworld for rocking a Hester jersey tonight and it will be compounded with a Cowboys win. FF implications too, need Chicago D and Romo to have a good game, and Cowboys D to have a bad game.

/CSB
 
2012-10-01 01:27:25 PM

you have pee hands: HaywoodJablonski: So the Texans won and will remain #1 in the power rankings. And the Jags and Titans both lost while Indy was idle, which raises a question:

What's the largest ever Power Rankings gap between #1 and #2 in a given division? Because, I think that record will be broken tomorrow.

How about 2007, when the Pats won 4 more games than the other 3 division teams combined? There had to be a pretty big gap there at some point.


Good call. In week 5 of 2007, the Pats were 1, Jets were 26, Bills 30 and Dolphins 31.
 
2012-10-01 01:32:21 PM

Jim from Saint Paul: Wins are wins, losses are losses.


I'm just saying, kinda silly to single out the Rams as not good when they're .500 and are within 30 seconds of being 3-1. They're apparently a decent squad.

And oh, hey, their kicker is in FG range already for next week.

How many 60-yarders have been made this year? Because I've seen three go through in three tries so far - one against my alma mater, one against the team I'm part-owner of (yeah, I know it's dumb but it's a better way to describe it), and one against my "home team." All were the longest kicks the player has ever made.

*searches* Four have been made this year (Clemson's kicker made a 61-yarder). WTF.
 
2012-10-01 01:32:35 PM

HaywoodJablonski: you have pee hands: HaywoodJablonski: So the Texans won and will remain #1 in the power rankings. And the Jags and Titans both lost while Indy was idle, which raises a question:

What's the largest ever Power Rankings gap between #1 and #2 in a given division? Because, I think that record will be broken tomorrow.

How about 2007, when the Pats won 4 more games than the other 3 division teams combined? There had to be a pretty big gap there at some point.

Good call. In week 5 of 2007, the Pats were 1, Jets were 26, Bills 30 and Dolphins 31.


Week 7 was even worse, where the last 3 teams where 28, 30 and 32. Wow.
 
2012-10-01 01:34:11 PM

HaywoodJablonski: you have pee hands: HaywoodJablonski: So the Texans won and will remain #1 in the power rankings. And the Jags and Titans both lost while Indy was idle, which raises a question:

What's the largest ever Power Rankings gap between #1 and #2 in a given division? Because, I think that record will be broken tomorrow.

How about 2007, when the Pats won 4 more games than the other 3 division teams combined? There had to be a pretty big gap there at some point.

Good call. In week 5 of 2007, the Pats were 1, Jets were 26, Bills 30 and Dolphins 31.


Impressive guess and equally impressive lookup/verify. Keep up the good work, you two.
 
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