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(Boston Herald)   Occupy Boston's anniversary reoccupation draws only 100 people willing to be rained on for the cause   (bostonherald.com) divider line 16
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2012-10-01 12:01:57 PM
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TyrantII: A Dark Evil Omen: A large number of us are still working on things, just not under the Occupy "banner". The movement's not gone, but because we were unwilling to be a Democratic version of the Tea Party, we lost a lot of "support" from centrist liberals and Democrats, and that support brought money (with endless strings attached) and bodies (which were largely useless). Good riddance, frankly. We're still marking off successes and we will continue to.

So the green-rainbow version of Both parties are bad?

Dems might not be 100% with what the people in occupy stand for, but lets get real about the choices and how 3rd parties (don't work) in our system.

Better to take a page from the dixiecrats, and countless others who rose their ranks. Find common ground, work together, influence over time.


Or we could reject electoral politics altogether instead of dooming ourselves to being another Democratic proxy. No change, not in the whole history of this country, has come from the ballot box. Legal implementation of social changes comes to the ballot box after it's a fait accompli and an easy win for one major party or the other, or it comes via the Supreme Court when it has become clear the direction society is going. In all cases major change, real change, has come via mass social movements and not partisan electoral politics.

Progressive and even fringe elements in the Democratic party, like the DSA, have been saying many of the same things for years and years. They gain no traction. We have accomplished more real things outside the Washington system in one year than the Democratic progressive caucus has from inside in twenty-one.
2012-10-01 05:57:39 PM
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Xcott: See, here's what happened:

1.) People occupy Wall Street.
2.) Critics say, "HAW HAW, these are just the dumbasses who want their student loans paid off."
3.) Liberals say, "NO, NO, OWS isn't about that at all. "
4.) Occupiers publish a manifesto that squeezes student debt into a list of their grievances.
5.) Liberals ignore that bit and focus on economic inequality.
6.) A few occupiers float diaries on Daily Kos about forgiving student debt.
7.) Readers say "meh" and point out that money could be given to real poor people, not Columbia grads.

Finally,

8.) Occupiers mysteriously stop showing up.

HMMMM, that's odd....


More like:

1) People Occupy Wall Street
2) Corporate-owned media does everything in its power to demean the movement, mostly by focusing on the kind of nutbars that piggyback on every protest.
3) Police pepper spray/tear gas/beat the living shiat out of them and get off without so much as a slap on the wrist
4) Occupiers are less eager to protest again, particularly since they STILL got people talking about income inequality.
2012-10-01 02:36:50 PM
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EyeballKid: What, you mean a group of young people that is mentally and capable of actually achieving something doesn't want to be corralled, beaten, and gassed by police only to have the dipshiats in the "news media" report nothing more than, "hyuk, hyuk, thar them hippies go!" while the lobbyists and hucksters who run the Tea-per Tantrum are treated like legitimate human beings not made of animal feces? Well, gee, I wonder why?


Everyone always focuses on the morons. They focused on the racists in the tea party and the anti-semites/anarchist punks in the Occupy Movement. The message they may have had gets lost in the finger pointing hoo-ha of "LOOK AT THOSE MONSTERS?!?!"
2012-10-01 02:19:05 PM
1 votes:
Wouldn't quite a few of those people be busy working the Warren campaign?
2012-10-01 01:32:34 PM
1 votes:

RangerTaylor: This is exactly what I was looking for. I was asking the honest question. Before you get all worked up, remember that for whatever reason none of the rest of the country knows you are doing these things. I honestly had no idea whether anybody involved accomplished anything besides camping in a park. You seem to detest the media, which is perfectly reasonable, but unless you manage to work with them enough to publicize what you are doing, it has little effect outside of the people you interact with directly. Thanks for getting all spun up and jumping on my shiat though, it certainly helps your cause.


I get spun up because I give this same spiel every couple of days around here and in person. I get spun up because I am sick unto death of the assumption that no one has any burden to find things out for themselves. Yes, it makes me mad. How exactly do we "work with" the media? The mass media has an agenda and a narrative they want to sell, and, to be frank, our good work is too boring for them to take notice of and they've got a nice solid lock on how they want to spin (or ignore) the big noisy stuff we do. At what point is it okay for me to be angry at people when it seems like they're working hard not to know what's going on?
2012-10-01 12:47:20 PM
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RangerTaylor: What successes beside introducing the terms 99% and 1% are there? I honestly don't see them. I also would like to understand what they are hoping to accomplish outside of the political system. I just don't seem to understand the goal here.


Hoping to accomplish? A lot of things that boil down to building a new radical left. Some of the things that I personally have worked on include:

- Strike support
- Fighting foreclosures
- Working with homeless people and street kids, particularly with some of the local homeless camps
- Free, public education on environmental and food quality issues

We're working on helping unions organize shops that are currently non-union. We're working on countering expansions of police power. We're building replacements for the public structures (like the various state and municipal library systems across the country) that are being gradually taken away from us.

The news isn't interested in telling you that our comrades stepped in and just put a public library together to provide library services during the Seattle Public Library shutdowns. The news isn't interested in telling you about the various union locals that we helped fight it out and get better settlements than they would have without the support. The news isn't interested in telling you about the families that have gotten to stay in their homes because our comrades helped them fight illegal foreclosures. And so on and so on. Maybe those are all too small for you, which I guess leaves me asking what the fark you've done this week?
2012-10-01 12:13:30 PM
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4) Nightly arrests by police who use unnecessary force. Never shown on the news because the police arrest anybody with a camera, even news outlets.

5) The problem is more than just 1% of the population.
2012-10-01 12:02:58 PM
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gilgigamesh: But I was assured by Glenn Beck and other right wing doomsayers that the Occupy movement was a well organized and funded mission by shadowy international alliances that was destined to forever change America as we know it.

Did they succeed and we just didn't notice?


In a way, yes.

OWS got people talking about income inequality. And we're STILL talking about it. It doesn't hurt that the Republican Presidential candidate is basically every stereotype about the '1%' (a concept people wouldn't be discussing nearly as much, incidentally, if not for OWS) mashed into one person.
2012-10-01 11:51:46 AM
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OB was only about 100 strong camping anyways, besides a few bigger demonstrations.

That Occupy changed the focus of both the MSN and political discussion is pretty crazy. We're talking about %'s in the presidential race for Christ sakes. Lot more talk about the middle class, income inequality, the damn economy.

MSM and the GOP were perfectly happy to rail on about the debt and austerity when the financial crisis wasn't even over. They really wanted to hijack that instance to disassemble the New Deal, and abolish taxes on the wealthy and as much government as possible. It's been their plan since forever.
2012-10-01 11:49:31 AM
1 votes:
90 people more than the last Tea Party rally
2012-10-01 11:31:43 AM
1 votes:

Jiro Dreams Of McRibs: [fryeblog.blog.lib.mcmaster.ca image 667x445]

I think a lot of people stayed away because of the Rainey. Dorli Rainey, an 84 year old OWS protester gassed by the police.


Dorli was and is pretty badass.
2012-10-01 11:30:26 AM
1 votes:
fryeblog.blog.lib.mcmaster.ca

I think a lot of people stayed away because of the Rainey. Dorli Rainey, an 84 year old OWS protester gassed by the police.
2012-10-01 11:30:22 AM
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A large number of us are still working on things, just not under the Occupy "banner". The movement's not gone, but because we were unwilling to be a Democratic version of the Tea Party, we lost a lot of "support" from centrist liberals and Democrats, and that support brought money (with endless strings attached) and bodies (which were largely useless). Good riddance, frankly. We're still marking off successes and we will continue to.
2012-10-01 11:16:11 AM
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It achieved what it needed too. Keep the memory alive sure, but bringing it back would just be earning some thuggish cops overtime pay. Move on.
2012-10-01 10:41:43 AM
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whistleridge: Too many people have heard of it.


Isn't the point of the protest to make people aware?
2012-10-01 07:28:43 AM
1 votes:
One person was seen holding a sign that said, "We are the 99."
 
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