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(Local10 WPLG)   Cops searching neighborhood are unable to locate bicycle thief, instead fall back on basic police procedure: Pick a backyard at random and shoot the dog   (local10.com) divider line 50
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2012-10-01 01:43:40 AM  
6 votes:
Meanwhile, if I shoot a police dog, I'm a murderer. Or at least I can count on the police to do everything within their power and then some to charge me with same.
2012-10-01 02:48:25 AM  
4 votes:

CruiserTwelve: "So are you going to go after the guy that punched me and stole my bike?"

"Nope. Gonna go eat donuts. Not worth the risk of being the object of a Fark thread."


Cops have never shied away from the pleasure of killing pets before.
even if they go to the wrong house
Looking cool in front of the brother in law.
Or if the dog is already restrained... maybe the cop was reaching for his tazer and got confused.

Cops and dogs are a lot alike mostly friendly but not as smart as most people and have the ability to kill a person and can easily be trained to do so. The primary difference being a dog that kills somebody in cold blood is put down while a cop that does the same thing gets a paid vacation and a promotion.
2012-10-01 05:10:05 AM  
3 votes:

davidphogan: Well, they didn't break any laws, so it's time to buy a new dog. Right?


Well...yeah...but...that's only 'cause it's impossible for cops to break laws, because they're cops.

See, I'm not a cop and if I were to shoot and kill a dog I would be prosecuted for, at the very least, cruelty to an animal, and if it were a police dog, I would be prosecuted for murder, because police and their pets occupy a place outside and above our normal legal system. That's just the way it is. Because America is the best country on earth.

U-S-A, U-S-A, U-S-A, U-S-A, U-S-A, U-S-A!!!!
2012-10-01 09:35:47 AM  
2 votes:
Dear Pigs, 

If you are searching for a perp in a yard with a pitbull, the absence of the sound of a guy being mauled means the yard is clear, move on.
2012-10-01 05:18:06 AM  
2 votes:

relaxitsjustme: I give the cops a lot of shait when they screw up but I can't really get on them for this one.

It's unfortunate but I wouldn't want the police to stop searching for a suspect because the guy crossed into private property


You're a slave and you deserve whatever you get.

No one (and I mean NO ONE) can protect your property better than you. In Florida, a dog is considered your property. So, the cops DESTROYED an innocent person's property.

There is no common sense left to be found in our police departments anymore. Why on earth would you welcome these thugs because something was going down?

Someone's bike getting stolen does not rise to the need to shoot someone else's dog.

Disgraceful and don't you dare say it's alright.
2012-10-01 02:51:22 AM  
2 votes:
I see CruiserTwelve has already chimed in with his daily dose of cop apologetics.

Seriously, dude, is there any threshold of police misconduct that you can't justify? Any abuse of authority that you can't rationalize?
2012-10-01 02:37:08 AM  
2 votes:
Jesus Christ, what a terribly written article.

Pro tip for the savvy readers out there: "It happened just before/after" is a massive red flag for a TV reporter who can barely compose a coherent sentence, but has been forced to write their own article for the web. So they just dump the words straight out of the prompter.

Anyway: Perhaps the officer could have simply backed out of the yard and approached from another angle. If the dog had actually attacked him and he fired in self-defense, I'd be OK with this. But we all know that's not how it happened. The dog growled and he started blazing away, because fark you, I am the po-lice.

Seriously, how many times has a dog growled at you but NOT actually moved to injure you? Just playing the odds, that's what I think happened here.
2012-10-01 02:19:52 AM  
2 votes:
Lohse reported that there are no signs on the side of Williamson's house indicating that a dog was in the backyard. Under the law, police are allowed to enter private property if they are pursuing or searching for a felony suspect.

They were looking for a man who had punched another guy in the face and stole his bike in front of a convenience store


Wow... The cops are grasping for straws here... Since when did punching someone and a stolen bike become felony worthy?

Oh wait, that's right... I live in Amerikuh, where the politicians, in there constant quest to be "tough on crime" are making EVERYTHING a felony, thereby allowing cops to pull this jack booted thug action over and over, and allowing them to get away with things that the common serf would be in jail for life...
2012-10-01 02:12:57 AM  
2 votes:
Every time I read about something like this, the police officers claim that they were "afraid." Perhaps that is our problem. We need to hire some less timid cops.
2012-10-01 02:02:07 AM  
2 votes:

Anenu: Under the law, police are allowed to enter private property if they are pursuing or searching for a felony suspect.

So this means that if someone is suspected of a felony even if cops can't get enough evidence for a judge to grant a warrant they can still bust down the door and take the person, or am I misunderstanding what that implies?


Like it matters. They "smelled drugs", or "heard someone calling for help". So did the other officers with them.
2012-10-01 01:50:54 AM  
2 votes:
fark the police.

Every damn one of them.
2012-10-01 12:19:16 AM  
2 votes:
"Hey look, there's a big mean dog barking in this yard. Our perp MUST be hiding there!"
2012-10-02 03:31:51 PM  
1 votes:

CruiserTwelve: BuckTurgidson: If actually attacking - engaging you or your uniform with its teeth - stun the little biatch with your stun gun or pepperspray its eyes or kick it or club it or shoot it as seems fit.

So you should let the dog bite you before you defend yourself?


You should be trained in and use rational situation assessment and if force is rationally needed in an animal encounter, use non-lethal force as the first option (you know, like you're supposed to do with people). You'll still have the option of lethal force after that - it doesn't work the other way around though.

I've said it before: prior to being put on the streets in our police cruisers with our gear and our tax-dollars funding their union-protected full-benefits-with-pension career from which it is virtually impossible to get and stay fired regardless of outrageous and downright criminal conduct, new police officers should be required to spend two months walking a route as mail carriers to overcome their violent terror of pooches.
2012-10-02 09:02:55 AM  
1 votes:

Cloudchaser Sakonige the Red Wolf: thought the cop was an intruder


The cop WAS intruding.
2012-10-02 08:48:52 AM  
1 votes:
One thing I noticed when watching the video that made me even more upset. The fence the dog was in was a chain linked fence. No higher then 3 feet. The cop could of easily escape by jumping said fence. Or heres another thing, the house next door, did not have a fence. So he could of walked over and looked into the yard and did a quick check before entering.

I think the death of the dog is all on him for not using his head. He should be punished either by having to pay for a replacement dog of equal or greater value or being fired all together (and be branded a dog killer and not allowed to work in law enforcement again).
2012-10-02 12:06:19 AM  
1 votes:

CruiserTwelve: You for any reason you choose open my gate, walk into my yard, and shoot MY family member to death as punishment for doing her job by barking at you, you walk away without a second thoughy, pang of conscience, or least notion of apology.

Do you think that's what happened in this scenario? I don't know exactly what happened any more than you do, but I doubt the cop had any cruel intentions when he shot the dog, and I'm sure he was remorseful. He certainly didn't shoot the dog "as punishment for doing her job," as you say.


We both speculate. But, yes I do tend toward, in the absence of further evidence, the theory the cop opened the gate, went into the back yard, encountered a scary looking dog defending - as is its bred-for-millenia job - that back yard by barking and snarling, and chose "pumping it full of lead" as the first option. Absence in the story of bite-marks, stitches, or tetanus shots is of course purely circumstantial.

If I so much as raise a hand against an attacking police K9 I get charged with resisting and assaulting an officer. If I were to kill one in self-defense I'd get charged with murder.

No, you wouldn't. Look up the statutes for those crimes and tell me how they apply to a dog.


Very well. So I can kill a police dog with the same impunity a police officer can kill my dog, then?
2012-10-01 10:40:52 PM  
1 votes:

CruiserTwelve: fredklein: No, but they seriously stayed and shot the dog instead of retreating.

I didn't know you were there.


And you were, I suppose?

You have pepper spray, as effective a dog deterrent as it is a people deterrent. You have a stun gun (actually, do you still carry those, or is it all Tasers now?) - just BUZZING a stun gun without making contact deters a dog attack. You have the clubs and blackjacks you use to assault your citizen employers with impunity any time you feel slighted. You have feet. At some point in your career, you actually had to pass a test of some sort.

I was at a big dog event in Aurora two days ago. I attended a demonstration by an Aurora PD K-9 handler and another handler from Commerce City. Handler seemed like a nice, professional guy who seemed to love his K9 partner. Did an obedience demo and some bite work, answered questions, and boosted the Colorado Police Canine Association. Talked about treatment of retired K9s. He spoke no less than four times, very earnestly, about how "these dogs are our children", "members of our family".

You for any reason you choose open my gate, walk into my yard, and shoot MY family member to death as punishment for doing her job by barking at you, you walk away without a second thoughy, pang of conscience, or least notion of apology.

If I so much as raise a hand against an attacking police K9 I get charged with resisting and assaulting an officer. If I were to kill one in self-defense I'd get charged with murder.

/csb: during Q&A, one of the dogs raised a leg and pissed on the Commerce City handler's shoe.
2012-10-01 07:55:50 PM  
1 votes:

CruiserTwelve: StoPPeRmobile: Yes, they teach us to stand there and get gnawed on. If you're a training officer, what do you tell cops to do whan encountering an aggressive pit bull?

picture of a hammer

That's non-responsive to my question. What do you teach officers to do if they encounter an aggressive pit bull while doing their job?


Use common sense- if there's an aggressive dog in the yard, then the suspects probably not there, so search elsewhere.
2012-10-01 02:17:33 PM  
1 votes:

CruiserTwelve: authorizeduser: Gee, what are you likely to find in a backyard? Dogs.

Where's the one place you're not likely to find a bike thief? Locked in a backyard with an unfamiliar pit bull.

Granted, that's way too much number crunching for a beat cop. We probably shouldn't provide firearms to society's dullest wits.

Thanks for the tip. Next time I'm looking for a bad guy I won't bother looking in backyards because, y'know, there are dogs back there.


Until cops find a better response for dog encounters - other than spamming their pistol trigger - that would probably be for the best.
2012-10-01 02:17:04 PM  
1 votes:
I have many friends with Pit Bulls and other dogs. All you need do to let the dog know you aren't a threat is walk calmly and move slowly. Try a word like Plotz, German for down. The dog can sense your emotional state by your movement and sounds you make. Shooting a dog because you perceive it as a threat is a cowardly move by poorly trained officers.

Learn some dog commands! Sometimes the dog will help you find the perp if you know how to talk to them!!!

http://anacapaworkingdogs.com/Training_Commands.htm
2012-10-01 01:55:17 PM  
1 votes:
1) Do any LEOs live near the shot dogs house?
2) Does the dog bark alot?
3) "Hey guys, I think that perp ran this way, over by Cpt Smith's house!"
4) Ruh-Ro
5) quiet dog x_x
2012-10-01 12:04:47 PM  
1 votes:

trappedspirit: phenn: trappedspirit: phenn: trappedspirit: phenn: Someone's bike getting stolen does not rise to the need to shoot someone else's dog.

Somehow I am thinking this wasn't a planned event. Unless you are saying that a stolen bike doesn't give rise to the need for a pursuit.

I'm saying that, if the cops involved had the sense God gave a rhubarb, they wouldn't have let the situation escalate to a point where guns were out in the first place.

Searching for a robber and encountering a dog who becomes defensive would not be what I call escalating the situation.

That is *precisely* what I call it.

Ok, what was the situation before it got escalated?


Looking for a farking stolen bike. You really think guns drawn is part of looking for a stolen bike? Guns were drawn at some point. Lest, the pup would still be in the land of the living.
2012-10-01 11:47:56 AM  
1 votes:

trappedspirit: phenn: trappedspirit: phenn: Someone's bike getting stolen does not rise to the need to shoot someone else's dog.

Somehow I am thinking this wasn't a planned event. Unless you are saying that a stolen bike doesn't give rise to the need for a pursuit.

I'm saying that, if the cops involved had the sense God gave a rhubarb, they wouldn't have let the situation escalate to a point where guns were out in the first place.

Searching for a robber and encountering a dog who becomes defensive would not be what I call escalating the situation.


That is *precisely* what I call it.
2012-10-01 11:16:25 AM  
1 votes:

phenn: trappedspirit: phenn: Someone's bike getting stolen does not rise to the need to shoot someone else's dog.

Somehow I am thinking this wasn't a planned event. Unless you are saying that a stolen bike doesn't give rise to the need for a pursuit.

I'm saying that, if the cops involved had the sense God gave a rhubarb, they wouldn't have let the situation escalate to a point where guns were out in the first place.


This is the point I was trying (unsuccessfully as it turned out) in the first place. Bicycle theft is a crime that demands armed pursuit of a suspect? There aren't any other crimes in their city that deserve equal attention?
2012-10-01 11:06:33 AM  
1 votes:

trappedspirit: phenn: Someone's bike getting stolen does not rise to the need to shoot someone else's dog.

Somehow I am thinking this wasn't a planned event. Unless you are saying that a stolen bike doesn't give rise to the need for a pursuit.


I'm saying that, if the cops involved had the sense God gave a rhubarb, they wouldn't have let the situation escalate to a point where guns were out in the first place.
2012-10-01 10:50:36 AM  
1 votes:

Slartibartfaster: Vegan Meat Popsicle: I've learned to assume that cops who shoot the wrong thing are lying sacks of crap who just don't want to lose their job after they did something stupid and uncalled for.

Not all of them are.
The ones who defend and deny are though (as you quite rightly pointed out rather eloquently)
Some will sacrifice their career to do the right thing, they just have a tendency to live in other nations.

// Rules do not apply for the US, your "mile" age may vary.
/ Will never step on US soil again.
// Any lawyers wanna give me some help relinquishing my daughters US citizenship ? She was born in California, raised in Oregon and British Columbia (with smatterings of Ociania and China), almost 5 years old, citizen of three nations, all of them are members of the "five eyes".


According to the Bureau of Consular Affairs, you cannot relinquish citizenship for your minor children. Link. IANAL.
2012-10-01 10:41:23 AM  
1 votes:

relaxitsjustme: clyph: I see CruiserTwelve has already chimed in with his daily dose of cop apologetics.

Seriously, dude, is there any threshold of police misconduct that you can't justify? Any abuse of authority that you can't rationalize?

What would you have had the police do in this situation? Not search for the suspect? I don't really see how this is abuse of authority. Cops abuse their powers all the time but this isn't one of those times.


Gee, what are you likely to find in a backyard? Dogs.

Where's the one place you're not likely to find a bike thief? Locked in a backyard with an unfamiliar pit bull.

Granted, that's way too much number crunching for a beat cop. We probably shouldn't provide firearms to society's dullest wits.
2012-10-01 10:37:07 AM  
1 votes:

relaxitsjustme: I give the cops a lot of shait when they screw up but I can't really get on them for this one.

It's unfortunate but I wouldn't want the police to stop searching for a suspect because the guy crossed into private property


If the dog was really that vicious, they would've already found the guy that they were chasing. Or at least they would've found what's left of him. How many people train their guard dogs to attack the second person that enters their territory?
2012-10-01 10:36:33 AM  
1 votes:

NannyStatePark: How many people sued over a paint scratch incurred by such help? As a taxpayer, I'm not sure I want to be on that hook.


It's not their job to change a tire.

They could however, give her enough safe space to change the tire, or even just call a tow truck, without getting out of the air conditioning.

But if you start showing some kindness to civilian, they might start thinking they're human too?
2012-10-01 10:15:04 AM  
1 votes:

hosalabad: Dear Pigs, 

If you are searching for a perp in a yard with a pitbull, the absence of the sound of a guy being mauled means the yard is clear, move on.


Yeah, but what if the dog is a co-conspirator? You can never be too safe. "Gotta stay safe! My job is almost as dangerous as postal work!"
2012-10-01 09:52:20 AM  
1 votes:
Just out of curiosity. I wonder if the Stand Your Ground rule can apply to cops forcing their way onto private property with their guns drawn and about to or have shot your dog.
2012-10-01 09:39:29 AM  
1 votes:

The Southern Logic Company: who got put in a situation


Actively going on to somebody else's property isn't exactly "getting put in a situation".

The Southern Logic Company: Using your assumptions, any action the police take is almost always negative, portraying them as vicious fascists protected by a blue wall of silence.


Pretty much. Mostly as a result of the "drug war" and the completely unreasonable ways in which police and S.W.A.T. behave to bring down non-violent offenders in the name of getting headlines for some asshole in the prosecutor's office who wants to run for governor next year.

Look, the fact is that the police should meet a very high standard of behavior. It shouldn't take much to kick them out of the force because they're given significant powers that can be easily misused through corruption or incompetence. Not having a very high standard is dangerous for the public AND it's dangerous for the other members of the force. Would YOU want to be partnered up with some idiot who thinks he's Rambo and just goes kicking down doors and shooting at people at the slightest provocation?

This should be investigated and if they determine he didn't have a very good reason to be there or that he could have backed out without incident, he should be terminated immediately. Even for the "it's just a dog" idiots, there's still the serious issue of somebody discharging a firearm in someone's backyard in a residential area without warning.

If he really had a good reason to think the perp was there and if he really had no option but to shoot the dog or get attacked... shiat happens. But anything less? Immediate termination.
2012-10-01 09:25:12 AM  
1 votes:

pueblonative: Anenu: Under the law, police are allowed to enter private property if they are pursuing or searching for a felony suspect.

So this means that if someone is suspected of a felony even if cops can't get enough evidence for a judge to grant a warrant they can still bust down the door and take the person, or am I misunderstanding what that implies?

No, what it means is that if they are in the pursuit of a suspect who has committed a crime and is on the run the cops don't have to stop their search if the guy jumps through a private property and wait for a warrant to continue pursuing him.

And BTW, in as much problems as I have with the cops, this article isn't one of them. The cops were looking for a thief who they thought went into a property, went in, came across a hostile dog and had to shoot. Nothing on the dog, but nothing on the cops either. Are they supposed to let him bite them. Cops aren't exactly animal control experts.

Of course, I'd have much the same reaction if a K9 got shot and killed pursuing a felon.


The cop should of backed off when he encountered the dog in the first place. Maybe retrieved the owner and had the owner take the dog away to allow a safe search of the yard. Not up and shoot a dog that is doing what its instincts tell it and protect its home from what he sees as intruders.

The cop was clearly in the wrong for not thinking straight and using simple logic. It seems like he just wanted to shoot it.
2012-10-01 07:33:49 AM  
1 votes:
Sane person: whoa! mean dog! let's back out.

Cop: whoo hoo! I get to kill something!
2012-10-01 07:20:43 AM  
1 votes:
What I don't understand is why these cops even devoted their time to chasing down (from house to house, no less) some guy who punched another guy and stole his bike. Is it standard operating procedure to devote manhours to chasing down bike thieves in Hollywood, Fla,? How about break-ins, assault, robberies? Do they pursue these crimes with the same zeal and devotion?

You know what? I realized I just answered my own question. Florida.

Never mind.
2012-10-01 06:53:29 AM  
1 votes:
When did cops lose the ability to look over a fence? Seriously,
2012-10-01 05:37:52 AM  
1 votes:

relaxitsjustme: clyph: I see CruiserTwelve has already chimed in with his daily dose of cop apologetics.

Seriously, dude, is there any threshold of police misconduct that you can't justify? Any abuse of authority that you can't rationalize?

What would you have had the police do in this situation? Not search for the suspect? I don't really see how this is abuse of authority. Cops abuse their powers all the time but this isn't one of those times.


Yes, because the suspect with the bicycle is OBVIOUSLY hiding in the yard with the Very Vicious Pit Bull that needs to be shot on sight. We know this cause the guy punched the other guy in the face to steal the bike, so he was unarmed. Only an UNARMED MAN (or police with guns) can hope to subdue such a vicious beast.
2012-10-01 04:14:56 AM  
1 votes:

StoPPeRmobile: So they stopped searching after executing the dog?

I'm guessing the executioner is a fatty, fat, fat.

The cops should hire the guy the were searching for. He is obviously not afraid of a dog. Or is that some sort of requirement? To be afraid of dogs.

/fear


You don't have to be afraid of them, just enthused with the idea of shooting them.
2012-10-01 04:05:45 AM  
1 votes:
So they stopped searching after executing the dog?

I'm guessing the executioner is a fatty, fat, fat.

The cops should hire the guy the were searching for. He is obviously not afraid of a dog. Or is that some sort of requirement? To be afraid of dogs.

/fear
2012-10-01 03:55:04 AM  
1 votes:
imageshack.us
2012-10-01 02:40:17 AM  
1 votes:

david_gaithersburg: Smoking GNU: david_gaithersburg: I wish they would do this more often, a community service

Go DIAF, you goddamn piece of useless human filth.

.
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All pit bulls should be put down, they are not domesticated animals.


I love this argument. I don't give a shiat about pitbulls or their ex-felon owners, but no dog is a fully domesticated animal. You think your golden retriever wouldn't bite you under the right circumstances? Who's deluding themselves now?
2012-10-01 02:27:47 AM  
1 votes:

Smoking GNU: david_gaithersburg: I wish they would do this more often, a community service

Go DIAF, you goddamn piece of useless human filth.


.
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All pit bulls should be put down, they are not domesticated animals.
2012-10-01 02:20:14 AM  
1 votes:
"So are you going to go after the guy that punched me and stole my bike?"

"Nope. Gonna go eat donuts. Not worth the risk of being the object of a Fark thread."
2012-10-01 02:15:19 AM  
1 votes:
FTFA:

"It is an unfortunate circumstance that the dog and the police met. It was not the initial call but the officer had to shoot the dog to protect himself," said Sgt. Cochenour.

There must be an official police handbook dictating that phrase---"It's unfortunate..." Ten years ago, my daughter and then three year old granddaughter were on the way to my place on a Sunday afternoon when her van had a blow out on the freeway. She pulled over and put on her hazard lights, but traffic was too heavy for her to get out and even check the tire, much less change it. In the period of half an hour, before I could get there in response to her cell phone call, six cop cars passed her. Not one even slowed down much less stopped to see what was wrong. After I got there, four others drove by, also not bothering to check.

When I called the police department to complain, they simply stated the incident was "unfortunate." When I called the local CBS affiliate, who aired the story, they were told the same thing---"It's unfortunate."

No, cops will never take the blame for any damn thing.
2012-10-01 01:57:03 AM  
1 votes:
Under the law, police are allowed to enter private property if they are pursuing or searching for a felony suspect.

So this means that if someone is suspected of a felony even if cops can't get enough evidence for a judge to grant a warrant they can still bust down the door and take the person, or am I misunderstanding what that implies?
2012-10-01 01:43:18 AM  
1 votes:
unavailable for comment:

www.metroactive.com
2012-10-01 01:38:40 AM  
1 votes:

HotWingAgenda: MusicMakeMyHeadPound: Prince George County, Maryland?

*clicks article*

Huh, I was wrong.

If it was PG County, the dog would've had a Glock and a brick of heroin.


Before or after it was shot?
2012-10-01 01:33:50 AM  
1 votes:
Prince George County, Maryland?

*clicks article*

Huh, I was wrong.
2012-10-01 12:20:06 AM  
1 votes:
strong armed robbery

Wat?
2012-09-30 09:27:33 PM  
1 votes:
Well, they didn't break any laws, so it's time to buy a new dog. Right?
 
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