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2012-09-30 09:27:33 PM
Well, they didn't break any laws, so it's time to buy a new dog. Right?
 
2012-09-30 10:06:41 PM
It takes a long time to properly train a dog for protection. Just making them mean makes them dangerous, so the training is very important and is a continuous process. Buying a new dog is not exactly going to work for home protection right out of the box, so to speak.
 
2012-10-01 12:19:16 AM
"Hey look, there's a big mean dog barking in this yard. Our perp MUST be hiding there!"
 
2012-10-01 12:20:06 AM
strong armed robbery

Wat?
 
2012-10-01 01:33:32 AM
Now, for all we know, that dog had cancer or something and the shooter was just doing the humane thing and putting down old Yeller.

Or maybe it was a werewolf
 
2012-10-01 01:33:35 AM
Heroes, every damn one of them.
 
2012-10-01 01:33:37 AM
I'm sure an internal investigation will show that shooting the dog 6 times was necessary.
 
2012-10-01 01:33:50 AM
Prince George County, Maryland?

*clicks article*

Huh, I was wrong.
 
2012-10-01 01:35:58 AM

MusicMakeMyHeadPound: Prince George County, Maryland?

*clicks article*

Huh, I was wrong.


If it was PG County, the dog would've had a Glock and a brick of heroin.
 
2012-10-01 01:38:40 AM

HotWingAgenda: MusicMakeMyHeadPound: Prince George County, Maryland?

*clicks article*

Huh, I was wrong.

If it was PG County, the dog would've had a Glock and a brick of heroin.


Before or after it was shot?
 
2012-10-01 01:43:18 AM
unavailable for comment:

www.metroactive.com
 
2012-10-01 01:43:40 AM
Meanwhile, if I shoot a police dog, I'm a murderer. Or at least I can count on the police to do everything within their power and then some to charge me with same.
 
2012-10-01 01:44:53 AM

the_rhino: I'm sure an internal investigation will show that shooting the dog 6 times was necessary.


I'm sure there is some farktard that would happily say 'duuuuh! It was a pit bull!'

Disgusting. Just disgusting...and I'm betting that if it was a golden retriever the blacklash on the popo would be worse.
 
2012-10-01 01:49:01 AM

KrispyKritter: Heroes, every damn one of them.


God bless our boys in blue.
 
2012-10-01 01:49:08 AM
police officer shot and killed a pit bull

LOL.

Next time get a German Shepherd.
 
2012-10-01 01:50:21 AM
FTA: "They were looking for a man who had punched another guy in the face and stole his bike..."

stolen his bike.

If he had punched a guy and stolen his bike.

/Grammar Nazi will go away now.
 
2012-10-01 01:50:54 AM
fark the police.

Every damn one of them.
 
2012-10-01 01:52:17 AM

Dezilith: the_rhino: I'm sure an internal investigation will show that shooting the dog 6 times was necessary.

I'm sure there is some farktard that would happily say 'duuuuh! It was a pit bull!'

Disgusting. Just disgusting...and I'm betting that if it was a golden retriever the blacklash on the popo would be worse.


With a pit bull, they have the excuse that the dog was aggressive and violent.

But with a retriever, what are they going to say? It was interfering with arrest? "He was all over me! I couldn't pass because the dog was licking me in the face."
 
2012-10-01 01:56:35 AM
I wish they would do this more often, a community service
 
2012-10-01 01:57:03 AM
Under the law, police are allowed to enter private property if they are pursuing or searching for a felony suspect.

So this means that if someone is suspected of a felony even if cops can't get enough evidence for a judge to grant a warrant they can still bust down the door and take the person, or am I misunderstanding what that implies?
 
2012-10-01 02:02:07 AM

Anenu: Under the law, police are allowed to enter private property if they are pursuing or searching for a felony suspect.

So this means that if someone is suspected of a felony even if cops can't get enough evidence for a judge to grant a warrant they can still bust down the door and take the person, or am I misunderstanding what that implies?


Like it matters. They "smelled drugs", or "heard someone calling for help". So did the other officers with them.
 
2012-10-01 02:12:57 AM
Every time I read about something like this, the police officers claim that they were "afraid." Perhaps that is our problem. We need to hire some less timid cops.
 
2012-10-01 02:15:19 AM
FTFA:

"It is an unfortunate circumstance that the dog and the police met. It was not the initial call but the officer had to shoot the dog to protect himself," said Sgt. Cochenour.

There must be an official police handbook dictating that phrase---"It's unfortunate..." Ten years ago, my daughter and then three year old granddaughter were on the way to my place on a Sunday afternoon when her van had a blow out on the freeway. She pulled over and put on her hazard lights, but traffic was too heavy for her to get out and even check the tire, much less change it. In the period of half an hour, before I could get there in response to her cell phone call, six cop cars passed her. Not one even slowed down much less stopped to see what was wrong. After I got there, four others drove by, also not bothering to check.

When I called the police department to complain, they simply stated the incident was "unfortunate." When I called the local CBS affiliate, who aired the story, they were told the same thing---"It's unfortunate."

No, cops will never take the blame for any damn thing.
 
2012-10-01 02:17:52 AM

Aulus: FTFA:

"It is an unfortunate circumstance that the dog and the police met. It was not the initial call but the officer had to shoot the dog to protect himself," said Sgt. Cochenour.

There must be an official police handbook dictating that phrase---"It's unfortunate..." Ten years ago, my daughter and then three year old granddaughter were on the way to my place on a Sunday afternoon when her van had a blow out on the freeway. She pulled over and put on her hazard lights, but traffic was too heavy for her to get out and even check the tire, much less change it. In the period of half an hour, before I could get there in response to her cell phone call, six cop cars passed her. Not one even slowed down much less stopped to see what was wrong. After I got there, four others drove by, also not bothering to check.

When I called the police department to complain, they simply stated the incident was "unfortunate." When I called the local CBS affiliate, who aired the story, they were told the same thing---"It's unfortunate."

No, cops will never take the blame for any damn thing.


How many people sued over a paint scratch incurred by such help? As a taxpayer, I'm not sure I want to be on that hook.
 
2012-10-01 02:19:52 AM
Lohse reported that there are no signs on the side of Williamson's house indicating that a dog was in the backyard. Under the law, police are allowed to enter private property if they are pursuing or searching for a felony suspect.

They were looking for a man who had punched another guy in the face and stole his bike in front of a convenience store


Wow... The cops are grasping for straws here... Since when did punching someone and a stolen bike become felony worthy?

Oh wait, that's right... I live in Amerikuh, where the politicians, in there constant quest to be "tough on crime" are making EVERYTHING a felony, thereby allowing cops to pull this jack booted thug action over and over, and allowing them to get away with things that the common serf would be in jail for life...
 
2012-10-01 02:20:14 AM
"So are you going to go after the guy that punched me and stole my bike?"

"Nope. Gonna go eat donuts. Not worth the risk of being the object of a Fark thread."
 
2012-10-01 02:23:35 AM

david_gaithersburg: I wish they would do this more often, a community service


Go DIAF, you goddamn piece of useless human filth.
 
2012-10-01 02:25:38 AM

AssAsInAssassin: FTA: "They were looking for a man who had punched another guy in the face and stole his bike..."

stolen his bike.

If he had punched a guy and stolen his bike.

/Grammar Nazi will go away now.


That's okay. I'm pretty sure the use of "guy" in this context isn't in the style guide.
 
2012-10-01 02:27:47 AM

Smoking GNU: david_gaithersburg: I wish they would do this more often, a community service

Go DIAF, you goddamn piece of useless human filth.


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All pit bulls should be put down, they are not domesticated animals.
 
2012-10-01 02:33:21 AM

david_gaithersburg: Smoking GNU: david_gaithersburg: I wish they would do this more often, a community service

Go DIAF, you goddamn piece of useless human filth.

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All pit bulls should be put down, they are not domesticated animals.


Thank you for proving my point yet again.
 
2012-10-01 02:35:23 AM

david_gaithersburg: Smoking GNU: david_gaithersburg: I wish they would do this more often, a community service

Go DIAF, you goddamn piece of useless human filth.

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All pit bulls should be put down, they are not domesticated animals.


All trolls should be put down, they are not domesticated people.

/logical fallacies is fun!
 
2012-10-01 02:37:08 AM
Jesus Christ, what a terribly written article.

Pro tip for the savvy readers out there: "It happened just before/after" is a massive red flag for a TV reporter who can barely compose a coherent sentence, but has been forced to write their own article for the web. So they just dump the words straight out of the prompter.

Anyway: Perhaps the officer could have simply backed out of the yard and approached from another angle. If the dog had actually attacked him and he fired in self-defense, I'd be OK with this. But we all know that's not how it happened. The dog growled and he started blazing away, because fark you, I am the po-lice.

Seriously, how many times has a dog growled at you but NOT actually moved to injure you? Just playing the odds, that's what I think happened here.
 
2012-10-01 02:37:38 AM

david_gaithersburg: Smoking GNU: david_gaithersburg: I wish they would do this more often, a community service

Go DIAF, you goddamn piece of useless human filth.

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All pit bulls should be put down, they are not domesticated animals.


did a pit bull bite your kid's arm off or something?

i had two of my neighbor's full grown pits in my house with my 15lb chihuahua. they wanted to play with my dog but he wasn't having it. so he bit one of these 100lb death machines on the nose. you know what the pit did? laid down in the corner and whimpered for his owner.
 
2012-10-01 02:40:17 AM

david_gaithersburg: Smoking GNU: david_gaithersburg: I wish they would do this more often, a community service

Go DIAF, you goddamn piece of useless human filth.

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All pit bulls should be put down, they are not domesticated animals.


I love this argument. I don't give a shiat about pitbulls or their ex-felon owners, but no dog is a fully domesticated animal. You think your golden retriever wouldn't bite you under the right circumstances? Who's deluding themselves now?
 
2012-10-01 02:40:53 AM
CruiserTwelve: "So are you going to go after the guy that punched me and stole my bike?"

"Nope. Gonna go eat donuts. Not worth the risk of being the object of a Fark thread."


You must recognize there are some police officers who become officers so they can do things like what happened in the story. I suspect there are guys at every precinct everyone else despises for this reason.
 
2012-10-01 02:41:58 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: Dezilith: the_rhino: I'm sure an internal investigation will show that shooting the dog 6 times was necessary.

I'm sure there is some farktard that would happily say 'duuuuh! It was a pit bull!'

Disgusting. Just disgusting...and I'm betting that if it was a golden retriever the blacklash on the popo would be worse.

With a pit bull, they have the excuse that the dog was aggressive and violent.

But with a retriever, what are they going to say? It was interfering with arrest? "He was all over me! I couldn't pass because the dog was licking me in the face."


Not all retrievers are sweet and kind. My fathers retriever had to be put down after it bit a four year olds face off.
 
2012-10-01 02:43:41 AM
I give the cops a lot of shait when they screw up but I can't really get on them for this one.

It's unfortunate but I wouldn't want the police to stop searching for a suspect because the guy crossed into private property
 
2012-10-01 02:43:49 AM

nburghmatt: david_gaithersburg: Smoking GNU: david_gaithersburg: I wish they would do this more often, a community service

Go DIAF, you goddamn piece of useless human filth.

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All pit bulls should be put down, they are not domesticated animals.

did a pit bull bite your kid's arm off or something?

i had two of my neighbor's full grown pits in my house with my 15lb chihuahua. they wanted to play with my dog but he wasn't having it. so he bit one of these 100lb death machines on the nose. you know what the pit did? laid down in the corner and whimpered for his owner.


I used to ride a pit like a horse as a toddler until he got stolen for dogfighting. I don't trust chihuahuas much, but they can't hurt me that bad.
 
2012-10-01 02:45:49 AM

nburghmatt: chihuahua


Chihuahuas can be intimidating little monsters to other dogs. My ex had one that was 18 years old, 95% blind, toothless and had arthritis of the spine and he still thought he was the baddest dog on the block. The neighbor's full grown Doberman would run from him in abject terror.
 
2012-10-01 02:48:25 AM

CruiserTwelve: "So are you going to go after the guy that punched me and stole my bike?"

"Nope. Gonna go eat donuts. Not worth the risk of being the object of a Fark thread."


Cops have never shied away from the pleasure of killing pets before.
even if they go to the wrong house
Looking cool in front of the brother in law.
Or if the dog is already restrained... maybe the cop was reaching for his tazer and got confused.

Cops and dogs are a lot alike mostly friendly but not as smart as most people and have the ability to kill a person and can easily be trained to do so. The primary difference being a dog that kills somebody in cold blood is put down while a cop that does the same thing gets a paid vacation and a promotion.
 
2012-10-01 02:50:35 AM

untaken_name: Anenu: Under the law, police are allowed to enter private property if they are pursuing or searching for a felony suspect.

So this means that if someone is suspected of a felony even if cops can't get enough evidence for a judge to grant a warrant they can still bust down the door and take the person, or am I misunderstanding what that implies?

Like it matters. They "smelled drugs", or "heard someone calling for help". So did the other officers with them.


There are a number of such excuses.
 
2012-10-01 02:51:21 AM

nburghmatt: did a pit bull bite your kid's arm off or something?


No. He's just a really obvious troll. Don't feed it, nothing good will come of it.
 
2012-10-01 02:51:22 AM
I see CruiserTwelve has already chimed in with his daily dose of cop apologetics.

Seriously, dude, is there any threshold of police misconduct that you can't justify? Any abuse of authority that you can't rationalize?
 
2012-10-01 02:54:33 AM
I'm glad I live in a nice neighborhood. The cops here know that if they dare to do something stupid the citizens won't stop escalating it until they get the cop fired.
 
2012-10-01 03:10:25 AM

fusillade762: nburghmatt: did a pit bull bite your kid's arm off or something?

No. He's just a really obvious troll. Don't feed it, nothing good will come of it.


He dissapeared pretty quick. I wonder if his mom sent him to bed.
 
2012-10-01 03:23:04 AM

clyph: I see CruiserTwelve has already chimed in with his daily dose of cop apologetics.

Seriously, dude, is there any threshold of police misconduct that you can't justify? Any abuse of authority that you can't rationalize?


What would you have had the police do in this situation? Not search for the suspect? I don't really see how this is abuse of authority. Cops abuse their powers all the time but this isn't one of those times.
 
2012-10-01 03:31:40 AM

relaxitsjustme: clyph: I see CruiserTwelve has already chimed in with his daily dose of cop apologetics.

Seriously, dude, is there any threshold of police misconduct that you can't justify? Any abuse of authority that you can't rationalize?

What would you have had the police do in this situation? Not search for the suspect? I don't really see how this is abuse of authority. Cops abuse their powers all the time but this isn't one of those times.


it's like they say.if you want to make an omelet, you have to shoot an unrelated person's pet.
 
2012-10-01 03:34:00 AM
we need to start training storm troopers instead of police. that dog would still be alive today.
 
2012-10-01 03:36:58 AM

clyph: I see CruiserTwelve has already chimed in with his daily dose of cop apologetics.

Seriously, dude, is there any threshold of police misconduct that you can't justify? Any abuse of authority that you can't rationalize?


Nope.
 
2012-10-01 03:48:23 AM
Cops using the same lame excuse that they were "afraid" is becoming as commonplace as a thug's momma saying that "he was a good boy who was trying to turn his life around" whenever they get caught while doing random acts of attractive and successfulness.
 
2012-10-01 03:55:04 AM
imageshack.us
 
2012-10-01 03:56:29 AM
The cop should be put death by the state.
 
2012-10-01 04:05:45 AM
So they stopped searching after executing the dog?

I'm guessing the executioner is a fatty, fat, fat.

The cops should hire the guy the were searching for. He is obviously not afraid of a dog. Or is that some sort of requirement? To be afraid of dogs.

/fear
 
2012-10-01 04:12:33 AM
You guys are not giving the police the benefit of the doubt. I honestly feel you're being unfair. There had to have been a situation missing from the article involved with the dogs actions, that warranted that response.

After reading between the lines, it looks like the dog may have stolen the bike. Does anyone know if it was a chocolate lab? That'd make the image even clearer.
 
2012-10-01 04:14:56 AM

StoPPeRmobile: So they stopped searching after executing the dog?

I'm guessing the executioner is a fatty, fat, fat.

The cops should hire the guy the were searching for. He is obviously not afraid of a dog. Or is that some sort of requirement? To be afraid of dogs.

/fear


You don't have to be afraid of them, just enthused with the idea of shooting them.
 
2012-10-01 04:35:35 AM

Kazujin: You guys are not giving the police the benefit of the doubt. I honestly feel you're being unfair. There had to have been a situation missing from the article involved with the dogs actions, that warranted that response.

After reading between the lines, it looks like the dog may have stolen the bike. Does anyone know if it was a chocolate lab? That'd make the image even clearer.


+ 1

i suspected the canine from the start, even without the description
 
2012-10-01 05:08:13 AM
Dezilith:
the_rhino: I'm sure an internal investigation will show that shooting the dog 6 times was necessary.

I'm sure there is some farktard that would happily say 'duuuuh! It was a pit bull!'


I am a big non-fan of pit bulls and think that in general they're too risky a breed to have around... but for god's sake this one was secured in his own yard. I honestly think cops don't bother to try and NOT shoot dogs, simply because they know they'll never, ever face repercussions for it. Just an animal. Property.
 
2012-10-01 05:10:05 AM

davidphogan: Well, they didn't break any laws, so it's time to buy a new dog. Right?


Well...yeah...but...that's only 'cause it's impossible for cops to break laws, because they're cops.

See, I'm not a cop and if I were to shoot and kill a dog I would be prosecuted for, at the very least, cruelty to an animal, and if it were a police dog, I would be prosecuted for murder, because police and their pets occupy a place outside and above our normal legal system. That's just the way it is. Because America is the best country on earth.

U-S-A, U-S-A, U-S-A, U-S-A, U-S-A, U-S-A!!!!
 
2012-10-01 05:18:06 AM

relaxitsjustme: I give the cops a lot of shait when they screw up but I can't really get on them for this one.

It's unfortunate but I wouldn't want the police to stop searching for a suspect because the guy crossed into private property


You're a slave and you deserve whatever you get.

No one (and I mean NO ONE) can protect your property better than you. In Florida, a dog is considered your property. So, the cops DESTROYED an innocent person's property.

There is no common sense left to be found in our police departments anymore. Why on earth would you welcome these thugs because something was going down?

Someone's bike getting stolen does not rise to the need to shoot someone else's dog.

Disgraceful and don't you dare say it's alright.
 
2012-10-01 05:21:33 AM

phenn: relaxitsjustme: I give the cops a lot of shait when they screw up but I can't really get on them for this one.

It's unfortunate but I wouldn't want the police to stop searching for a suspect because the guy crossed into private property

You're a slave and you deserve whatever you get.

No one (and I mean NO ONE) can protect your property better than you. In Florida, a dog is considered your property. So, the cops DESTROYED an innocent person's property.

There is no common sense left to be found in our police departments anymore. Why on earth would you welcome these thugs because something was going down?

Someone's bike getting stolen does not rise to the need to shoot someone else's dog.

Disgraceful and don't you dare say it's alright.


I bet the dog cost way more than the bike.
 
2012-10-01 05:29:21 AM
The dog was black.
 
2012-10-01 05:34:13 AM

No Such Agency: Dezilith:
the_rhino: I'm sure an internal investigation will show that shooting the dog 6 times was necessary.

I'm sure there is some farktard that would happily say 'duuuuh! It was a pit bull!'

I am a big non-fan of pit bulls and think that in general they're too risky a breed to have around... but for god's sake this one was secured in his own yard. I honestly think cops don't bother to try and NOT shoot dogs, simply because they know they'll never, ever face repercussions for it. Just an animal. Property.


I am a fan of pit bulls myself. I am aware that these dogs are not the same breed as they were fifty years ago. But you caught what made this so upsetting. The dog was contained and doing what he was trained to do, and was killed for it.

Unfortunately, pets ARE property, as much as many people would object to it, by law. And many police jurisdictions, especially if they have dog ordinances, are very well aware of it.

What I don't understand is why a dog trained to protect pack and property would be quiet if someone jumped the fence into his grounds. Sign or no sign, how many people walk past a house and have dogs explode into barking nightmares when you're no where near the fence line?
 
2012-10-01 05:37:52 AM

relaxitsjustme: clyph: I see CruiserTwelve has already chimed in with his daily dose of cop apologetics.

Seriously, dude, is there any threshold of police misconduct that you can't justify? Any abuse of authority that you can't rationalize?

What would you have had the police do in this situation? Not search for the suspect? I don't really see how this is abuse of authority. Cops abuse their powers all the time but this isn't one of those times.


Yes, because the suspect with the bicycle is OBVIOUSLY hiding in the yard with the Very Vicious Pit Bull that needs to be shot on sight. We know this cause the guy punched the other guy in the face to steal the bike, so he was unarmed. Only an UNARMED MAN (or police with guns) can hope to subdue such a vicious beast.
 
2012-10-01 06:02:39 AM

fusillade762: nburghmatt: did a pit bull bite your kid's arm off or something?

No. He's just a really obvious troll. Don't feed it, nothing good will come of it.


THIS. To "troll" I would also add "coont".
 
2012-10-01 06:12:54 AM

The Envoy: fusillade762: nburghmatt: did a pit bull bite your kid's arm off or something?

No. He's just a really obvious troll. Don't feed it, nothing good will come of it.

THIS. To "troll" I would also add "coont".


"Surplus to humanities collective requirements"
 
2012-10-01 06:52:50 AM

Dezilith: No Such Agency: Dezilith:
the_rhino: I'm sure an internal investigation will show that shooting the dog 6 times was necessary.

I'm sure there is some farktard that would happily say 'duuuuh! It was a pit bull!'

I am a big non-fan of pit bulls and think that in general they're too risky a breed to have around... but for god's sake this one was secured in his own yard. I honestly think cops don't bother to try and NOT shoot dogs, simply because they know they'll never, ever face repercussions for it. Just an animal. Property.

I am a fan of pit bulls myself. I am aware that these dogs are not the same breed as they were fifty years ago. But you caught what made this so upsetting. The dog was contained and doing what he was trained to do, and was killed for it.

Unfortunately, pets ARE property, as much as many people would object to it, by law. And many police jurisdictions, especially if they have dog ordinances, are very well aware of it.

What I don't understand is why a dog trained to protect pack and property would be quiet if someone jumped the fence into his grounds. Sign or no sign, how many people walk past a house and have dogs explode into barking nightmares when you're no where near the fence line?


Some dogs aren't barkers. We had a Mastiff that seldom barked, but when you have 140 lbs of drooling muscle suddenly appear it can be frightening.
The police were most likely surprised and shot the dog. Dogs are there to guard the property and deter intruders. That is their job and they take it seriously.
Should they have done that? NO.
 
2012-10-01 06:53:29 AM
When did cops lose the ability to look over a fence? Seriously,
 
2012-10-01 06:53:30 AM

david_gaithersburg: I wish they would do this more often, a community service


With untrained pit bulls (and lets be honest, that's almost all of them) I absolutely agree.

Untrained, they're garbage animals. Maybe 1 in 100 owners get them properly trained, maybe.
 
2012-10-01 07:18:24 AM

AssAsInAssassin: FTA: "They were looking for a man who had punched another guy in the face and stole his bike..."

stolen his bike.

If he had punched a guy and stolen his bike.

/Grammar Nazi will go away now.


Ahem. Robbed. Theft via violence is robbery.

/a Grammar Nazis is always in need of correction.
 
2012-10-01 07:20:43 AM
What I don't understand is why these cops even devoted their time to chasing down (from house to house, no less) some guy who punched another guy and stole his bike. Is it standard operating procedure to devote manhours to chasing down bike thieves in Hollywood, Fla,? How about break-ins, assault, robberies? Do they pursue these crimes with the same zeal and devotion?

You know what? I realized I just answered my own question. Florida.

Never mind.
 
2012-10-01 07:24:03 AM
How about break-ins, assault, bank robberies?

FTFM
 
2012-10-01 07:28:45 AM
Chances are, if there's a vicious dog in the back yard, the perp isn't. But I wouldn't expect that kind of logic to occur to a testosterone/ adrenaline-soaked "professional" LEO with an itchy trigger-finger and bullets (paid for by the taxpayers) to spare.
 
2012-10-01 07:33:49 AM
Sane person: whoa! mean dog! let's back out.

Cop: whoo hoo! I get to kill something!
 
2012-10-01 07:40:16 AM

offmymeds: What I don't understand is why these cops even devoted their time to chasing down (from house to house, no less) some guy who punched another guy and stole his bike. Is it standard operating procedure to devote manhours to chasing down bike thieves in Hollywood, Fla,? How about break-ins, assault, robberies? Do they pursue these crimes with the same zeal and devotion?

You know what? I realized I just answered my own question. Florida.

Never mind.


Duh. Strong-arm robbery isn't a "new" felony either. But don't let that stop you guys from twatty cop bashing....
 
2012-10-01 07:41:50 AM

AbbeySomeone: Dezilith: No Such Agency: Dezilith:
the_rhino: I'm sure an internal investigation will show that shooting the dog 6 times was necessary.

I'm sure there is some farktard that would happily say 'duuuuh! It was a pit bull!'

I am a big non-fan of pit bulls and think that in general they're too risky a breed to have around... but for god's sake this one was secured in his own yard. I honestly think cops don't bother to try and NOT shoot dogs, simply because they know they'll never, ever face repercussions for it. Just an animal. Property.

I am a fan of pit bulls myself. I am aware that these dogs are not the same breed as they were fifty years ago. But you caught what made this so upsetting. The dog was contained and doing what he was trained to do, and was killed for it.

Unfortunately, pets ARE property, as much as many people would object to it, by law. And many police jurisdictions, especially if they have dog ordinances, are very well aware of it.

What I don't understand is why a dog trained to protect pack and property would be quiet if someone jumped the fence into his grounds. Sign or no sign, how many people walk past a house and have dogs explode into barking nightmares when you're no where near the fence line?

Some dogs aren't barkers. We had a Mastiff that seldom barked, but when you have 140 lbs of drooling muscle suddenly appear it can be frightening.
The police were most likely surprised and shot the dog. Dogs are there to guard the property and deter intruders. That is their job and they take it seriously.
Should they have done that? NO.


Off key: Mastiffs are beautiful, if drooly critters!

And I get what you are saying, I just can't wrap my head around 'Jump in yard, surprise dog, put six rounds into him'. Especially with what shotglasss said. You're about to jump in a residents yard. What indeed happened to looking before you leap? Hed still have a full clip and that dog would be having steak tonight.
 
2012-10-01 07:50:49 AM
I find it curious that from the given details the suspect punched someone in the face, yet was being chased as an armed robbery suspect.

I'm sure there was lots of adrenaline flowing; after all, shots were fired. If they had found the suspect first, it might have been him that was shot multiple times. Or perhaps whoever or whatever the cops came upon first.

Also, the article made sure to mention "Pit Bull" three times, but no information regarding the apparent still-at-large suspect roaming the neighborhood at leisure now.  An ARMED suspect. I bet he's the Aquaman of pitbulls and is always armed. Or something.
 
2012-10-01 07:53:11 AM
Ah, strong-arm robbery. Too bad the article writer didn't hyphenate it properly. I first thought it was a certain degree of plain ol armed robbery.
 
2012-10-01 07:56:27 AM

Man On Pink Corner: Meanwhile, if I shoot a police dog, I'm a murderer. Or at least I can count on the police to do everything within their power and then some to charge me with same.


No, you are a cop killer if you shoot a police dog. Instant death penalty.
 
2012-10-01 07:58:37 AM

Kazujin: You guys are not giving the police the benefit of the doubt. I honestly feel you're being unfair. There had to have been a situation missing from the article involved with the dogs actions, that warranted that response.

After reading between the lines, it looks like the dog may have stolen the bike. Does anyone know if it was a chocolate lab? That'd make the image even clearer.


Don't know if this had a racial slant or a "labs steel everything that isn't pinned down" slant.

Ether way it was funny

As the owner of two labs. There were times I wished someone would kill them.
 
2012-10-01 08:04:33 AM

OregonVet: offmymeds: What I don't understand is why these cops even devoted their time to chasing down (from house to house, no less) some guy who punched another guy and stole his bike. Is it standard operating procedure to devote manhours to chasing down bike thieves in Hollywood, Fla,? How about break-ins, assault, robberies? Do they pursue these crimes with the same zeal and devotion?

You know what? I realized I just answered my own question. Florida.

Never mind.

Duh. Strong-arm robbery isn't a "new" felony either. But don't let that stop you guys from twatty cop bashing....


I see that my statement hasn't stopped you from being an azzole.
 
2012-10-01 08:14:32 AM

fusillade762: strong armed robbery

Wat?


Robbery with threat or physical taking and no weapon brandished.
 
2012-10-01 08:34:41 AM

Worldwalker: Every time I read about something like this, the police officers claim that they were "afraid." Perhaps that is our problem. We need to hire some less timid cops.


THIS and more of this
 
2012-10-01 08:35:26 AM
How about pick a cop at random and shoot the cop? Farking trash with badges.
 
2012-10-01 08:37:05 AM

OregonVet: Duh. Strong-arm robbery isn't a "new" felony either


I did not realize they had this much straw in Oregon. Are you from Bend ?

// Assuming your use of "Vet" has fark all to do with animal care, defence, or freedom
 
gja [TotalFark]
2012-10-01 08:40:22 AM
encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com
"That's some fine police work there Lou"
 
2012-10-01 08:48:30 AM
I'd just like to point out that I don't buy the "had to do it!" line from cops anymore. Maybe you did, maybe you didn't, but after so many stories all over the place of cops kicking in doors and shooting dogs and people over inconsequential shiat, because of a bogus informant "tip" or because they go the wrong house I've learned to assume that cops who shoot the wrong thing are lying sacks of crap who just don't want to lose their job after they did something stupid and uncalled for.

So... yea, fark you, Sargeant.
 
2012-10-01 08:54:42 AM

bookelly: All trolls should be put down, they are not domesticated people.


www.nps.gov

What a domesticated person might look like.
 
2012-10-01 08:58:26 AM

Vegan Meat Popsicle: I've learned to assume that cops who shoot the wrong thing are lying sacks of crap who just don't want to lose their job after they did something stupid and uncalled for.


Not all of them are.
The ones who defend and deny are though (as you quite rightly pointed out rather eloquently)
Some will sacrifice their career to do the right thing, they just have a tendency to live in other nations.

// Rules do not apply for the US, your "mile" age may vary.
/ Will never step on US soil again.
// Any lawyers wanna give me some help relinquishing my daughters US citizenship ? She was born in California, raised in Oregon and British Columbia (with smatterings of Ociania and China), almost 5 years old, citizen of three nations, all of them are members of the "five eyes".
 
2012-10-01 09:09:32 AM

Vegan Meat Popsicle: I'd just like to point out that I don't buy the "had to do it!" line from cops anymore. Maybe you did, maybe you didn't, but after so many stories all over the place of cops kicking in doors and shooting dogs and people over inconsequential shiat, because of a bogus informant "tip" or because they go the wrong house I've learned to assume that cops who shoot the wrong thing are lying sacks of crap who just don't want to lose their job after they did something stupid and uncalled for.

So... yea, fark you, Sargeant.


Look at it from the other hand, you're punishing normally good cops who got put in a situation where they were being attacked by a vicious dog and used their weapon/force properly. Using your assumptions, any action the police take is almost always negative, portraying them as vicious fascists protected by a blue wall of silence.

Not defending the police, just playing devil's advocate. I'm aware of the many shiattay things the police do and get away with and the general anti-police sentiment on fark 

/Not a "trust the police" kind of guy
//Have police friends
 
2012-10-01 09:14:59 AM

Anenu: Under the law, police are allowed to enter private property if they are pursuing or searching for a felony suspect.

So this means that if someone is suspected of a felony even if cops can't get enough evidence for a judge to grant a warrant they can still bust down the door and take the person, or am I misunderstanding what that implies?


No, what it means is that if they are in the pursuit of a suspect who has committed a crime and is on the run the cops don't have to stop their search if the guy jumps through a private property and wait for a warrant to continue pursuing him.

And BTW, in as much problems as I have with the cops, this article isn't one of them. The cops were looking for a thief who they thought went into a property, went in, came across a hostile dog and had to shoot. Nothing on the dog, but nothing on the cops either. Are they supposed to let him bite them. Cops aren't exactly animal control experts.

Of course, I'd have much the same reaction if a K9 got shot and killed pursuing a felon.
 
2012-10-01 09:20:24 AM

dittybopper: bookelly: All trolls should be put down, they are not domesticated people.

[www.nps.gov image 295x340]

What a domesticated person might look like.


Poisoning the well...another winner!
 
2012-10-01 09:24:15 AM
Learned that week two of the police academy. When in doubt, find a dog and shoot it.
./no we didn't.
//you see a dog, look at its tail. Wagging, probably ok. Not wagging, probably not.
///they actually taught us that. Back in 1977.
 
2012-10-01 09:25:12 AM

pueblonative: Anenu: Under the law, police are allowed to enter private property if they are pursuing or searching for a felony suspect.

So this means that if someone is suspected of a felony even if cops can't get enough evidence for a judge to grant a warrant they can still bust down the door and take the person, or am I misunderstanding what that implies?

No, what it means is that if they are in the pursuit of a suspect who has committed a crime and is on the run the cops don't have to stop their search if the guy jumps through a private property and wait for a warrant to continue pursuing him.

And BTW, in as much problems as I have with the cops, this article isn't one of them. The cops were looking for a thief who they thought went into a property, went in, came across a hostile dog and had to shoot. Nothing on the dog, but nothing on the cops either. Are they supposed to let him bite them. Cops aren't exactly animal control experts.

Of course, I'd have much the same reaction if a K9 got shot and killed pursuing a felon.


The cop should of backed off when he encountered the dog in the first place. Maybe retrieved the owner and had the owner take the dog away to allow a safe search of the yard. Not up and shoot a dog that is doing what its instincts tell it and protect its home from what he sees as intruders.

The cop was clearly in the wrong for not thinking straight and using simple logic. It seems like he just wanted to shoot it.
 
2012-10-01 09:25:56 AM

david_gaithersburg: I wish they would do this more often, a community service


I at least wish they would get my next door neighbor's dog.

You know, not all dogs are nice and re-educable. Many are neglected and confined, and become mean, scary, and dangerous. It might not be the dog's fault, but that doesn't make a dog less dangerous.
 
2012-10-01 09:25:58 AM

pueblonative: The cops were looking for a thief who they thought went into a property, went in, came across a hostile dog and had to shoot. Nothing on the dog, but nothing on the cops either.


As long as the owner gets compensated for his loss of property (the dog) it's OK. If this is a case of 'we're sorry we shot and killed your pet' then it's not OK.
 
2012-10-01 09:35:47 AM
Dear Pigs, 

If you are searching for a perp in a yard with a pitbull, the absence of the sound of a guy being mauled means the yard is clear, move on.
 
2012-10-01 09:39:29 AM

The Southern Logic Company: who got put in a situation


Actively going on to somebody else's property isn't exactly "getting put in a situation".

The Southern Logic Company: Using your assumptions, any action the police take is almost always negative, portraying them as vicious fascists protected by a blue wall of silence.


Pretty much. Mostly as a result of the "drug war" and the completely unreasonable ways in which police and S.W.A.T. behave to bring down non-violent offenders in the name of getting headlines for some asshole in the prosecutor's office who wants to run for governor next year.

Look, the fact is that the police should meet a very high standard of behavior. It shouldn't take much to kick them out of the force because they're given significant powers that can be easily misused through corruption or incompetence. Not having a very high standard is dangerous for the public AND it's dangerous for the other members of the force. Would YOU want to be partnered up with some idiot who thinks he's Rambo and just goes kicking down doors and shooting at people at the slightest provocation?

This should be investigated and if they determine he didn't have a very good reason to be there or that he could have backed out without incident, he should be terminated immediately. Even for the "it's just a dog" idiots, there's still the serious issue of somebody discharging a firearm in someone's backyard in a residential area without warning.

If he really had a good reason to think the perp was there and if he really had no option but to shoot the dog or get attacked... shiat happens. But anything less? Immediate termination.
 
2012-10-01 09:47:16 AM

Free Radical: pueblonative: The cops were looking for a thief who they thought went into a property, went in, came across a hostile dog and had to shoot. Nothing on the dog, but nothing on the cops either.

As long as the owner gets compensated for his loss of property (the dog) it's OK. If this is a case of 'we're sorry we shot and killed your pet' then it's not OK.


Fair enough, though I could also see the amount being attached to the bicycle thief in the form of restitution.
 
2012-10-01 09:52:20 AM
Just out of curiosity. I wonder if the Stand Your Ground rule can apply to cops forcing their way onto private property with their guns drawn and about to or have shot your dog.
 
2012-10-01 09:58:58 AM

yves0010: Just out of curiosity. I wonder if the Stand Your Ground rule can apply to cops forcing their way onto private property with their guns drawn and about to or have shot your dog.


Perhaps, if...

cdn102.iofferphoto.com
 
2012-10-01 10:01:04 AM

office_despot: david_gaithersburg: I wish they would do this more often, a community service

I at least wish they would get my next door neighbor's dog.

You know, not all dogs are nice and re-educable. Many are neglected and confined, and become mean, scary, and dangerous. It might not be the dog's fault, but that doesn't make a dog less dangerous.


So, just call the cops and tell them you saw your neighbor with a dime bag. SWAT will bust down their door and shoot the dog for you.

/Probably grandma, too
 
2012-10-01 10:03:44 AM

Free Radical: As long as the owner gets compensated for his loss of property (the dog) it's OK. If this is a case of 'we're sorry we shot and killed your pet' then it's not OK.


I agree in principle

Does this part of the article bother you ?

"The dog was shot multiple times"

They had the ability to flee after or before the first shot

An aggressive guard dog is an indication that the fugitive was not there.
This deserves further investigation, further exploration, and further consideration.
not "The dog was shot multiple times"
 
2012-10-01 10:15:04 AM

hosalabad: Dear Pigs, 

If you are searching for a perp in a yard with a pitbull, the absence of the sound of a guy being mauled means the yard is clear, move on.


Yeah, but what if the dog is a co-conspirator? You can never be too safe. "Gotta stay safe! My job is almost as dangerous as postal work!"
 
2012-10-01 10:22:26 AM
Probably never caught the thief either.
 
2012-10-01 10:24:18 AM

Smoking GNU: Yes, because the suspect with the bicycle is OBVIOUSLY hiding in the yard with the Very Vicious Pit Bull that needs to be shot on sight. We know this cause the guy punched the other guy in the face to steal the bike, so he was unarmed. Only an UNARMED MAN (or police with guns) can hope to subdue such a vicious beast.


Do you actually think the cop knew the dog was in the yard when he entered?
 
2012-10-01 10:30:17 AM
Your dog wants body armor.
 
2012-10-01 10:34:11 AM

lewismarktwo: hosalabad: Dear Pigs, 

If you are searching for a perp in a yard with a pitbull, the absence of the sound of a guy being mauled means the yard is clear, move on.

Yeah, but what if the dog is a co-conspirator? You can never be too safe. "Gotta stay safe! My job is almost as dangerous as postal work!"


We are doomed if pitbulls learn to ride bikes.
 
2012-10-01 10:36:33 AM

NannyStatePark: How many people sued over a paint scratch incurred by such help? As a taxpayer, I'm not sure I want to be on that hook.


It's not their job to change a tire.

They could however, give her enough safe space to change the tire, or even just call a tow truck, without getting out of the air conditioning.

But if you start showing some kindness to civilian, they might start thinking they're human too?
 
2012-10-01 10:37:07 AM

relaxitsjustme: I give the cops a lot of shait when they screw up but I can't really get on them for this one.

It's unfortunate but I wouldn't want the police to stop searching for a suspect because the guy crossed into private property


If the dog was really that vicious, they would've already found the guy that they were chasing. Or at least they would've found what's left of him. How many people train their guard dogs to attack the second person that enters their territory?
 
2012-10-01 10:41:23 AM

relaxitsjustme: clyph: I see CruiserTwelve has already chimed in with his daily dose of cop apologetics.

Seriously, dude, is there any threshold of police misconduct that you can't justify? Any abuse of authority that you can't rationalize?

What would you have had the police do in this situation? Not search for the suspect? I don't really see how this is abuse of authority. Cops abuse their powers all the time but this isn't one of those times.


Gee, what are you likely to find in a backyard? Dogs.

Where's the one place you're not likely to find a bike thief? Locked in a backyard with an unfamiliar pit bull.

Granted, that's way too much number crunching for a beat cop. We probably shouldn't provide firearms to society's dullest wits.
 
2012-10-01 10:50:36 AM

Slartibartfaster: Vegan Meat Popsicle: I've learned to assume that cops who shoot the wrong thing are lying sacks of crap who just don't want to lose their job after they did something stupid and uncalled for.

Not all of them are.
The ones who defend and deny are though (as you quite rightly pointed out rather eloquently)
Some will sacrifice their career to do the right thing, they just have a tendency to live in other nations.

// Rules do not apply for the US, your "mile" age may vary.
/ Will never step on US soil again.
// Any lawyers wanna give me some help relinquishing my daughters US citizenship ? She was born in California, raised in Oregon and British Columbia (with smatterings of Ociania and China), almost 5 years old, citizen of three nations, all of them are members of the "five eyes".


According to the Bureau of Consular Affairs, you cannot relinquish citizenship for your minor children. Link. IANAL.
 
2012-10-01 10:58:01 AM

authorizeduser: Gee, what are you likely to find in a backyard? Dogs.

Where's the one place you're not likely to find a bike thief? Locked in a backyard with an unfamiliar pit bull.

Granted, that's way too much number crunching for a beat cop. We probably shouldn't provide firearms to society's dullest wits.


Thanks for the tip. Next time I'm looking for a bad guy I won't bother looking in backyards because, y'know, there are dogs back there.
 
2012-10-01 11:00:32 AM

phenn: Someone's bike getting stolen does not rise to the need to shoot someone else's dog.


Somehow I am thinking this wasn't a planned event. Unless you are saying that a stolen bike doesn't give rise to the need for a pursuit.
 
2012-10-01 11:03:21 AM

fusillade762: "Hey look, there's a big mean dog barking in this yard. Our perp MUST be hiding there!"


This!... They shot and killed a trained guard dog... It seems the best possible resolution would be for them to transfer a trained police dog to this guy, and show him the basics... Watch the cops recoil in horror at the thought of losing their precious doggy... Hypocrites...
 
2012-10-01 11:06:33 AM

trappedspirit: phenn: Someone's bike getting stolen does not rise to the need to shoot someone else's dog.

Somehow I am thinking this wasn't a planned event. Unless you are saying that a stolen bike doesn't give rise to the need for a pursuit.


I'm saying that, if the cops involved had the sense God gave a rhubarb, they wouldn't have let the situation escalate to a point where guns were out in the first place.
 
2012-10-01 11:14:46 AM

Anastacya: According to the Bureau of Consular Affairs, you cannot relinquish citizenship for your minor children. Link. IANAL


I am grateful.

I researched more - I can under commonwealth law, she of course will never be allowed to enter the US, but it is a big world and that is a tiny nation.
 
2012-10-01 11:16:25 AM

phenn: trappedspirit: phenn: Someone's bike getting stolen does not rise to the need to shoot someone else's dog.

Somehow I am thinking this wasn't a planned event. Unless you are saying that a stolen bike doesn't give rise to the need for a pursuit.

I'm saying that, if the cops involved had the sense God gave a rhubarb, they wouldn't have let the situation escalate to a point where guns were out in the first place.


This is the point I was trying (unsuccessfully as it turned out) in the first place. Bicycle theft is a crime that demands armed pursuit of a suspect? There aren't any other crimes in their city that deserve equal attention?
 
2012-10-01 11:20:56 AM

phenn: trappedspirit: phenn: Someone's bike getting stolen does not rise to the need to shoot someone else's dog.

Somehow I am thinking this wasn't a planned event. Unless you are saying that a stolen bike doesn't give rise to the need for a pursuit.

I'm saying that, if the cops involved had the sense God gave a rhubarb, they wouldn't have let the situation escalate to a point where guns were out in the first place.


Searching for a robber and encountering a dog who becomes defensive would not be what I call escalating the situation.
 
2012-10-01 11:25:06 AM
Thread cries out for this:

www.ywgrossman.com
 
2012-10-01 11:42:47 AM
As a dog lover, dog owner, and general police hater, I am siding with the cops on this one.

If you have a trained guard dog ALWAYS ALWAYS have signs (if you have any dog except something puntable you should have signs too, but having a trained guard dog and not having signs is completely stupid).

The cops are allowed to pass through property looking for suspects, but the reasons for the signs is not so that your neighbors know you have a big bad dog. Just like the signs on the front of houses saying that there is an alarm and rent-a-cops are going to show up is not so your neighbors know that you have an alarm and a rent-a-cop is going to show up. The primary function of these signs is to alert authorities so you don't turn an non-incident into an actual incident.

It sucks that the dog got shot but the owner has some responsibility in this and it is too easy to always point fingers at the police and say they messed up. Who knows if signs would have saved the dogs, but at least people would have the right to be outraged if the signs were up. The owner of the dog from his comments clearly is not happy that his dog was shot, but seems to recognize this, something that the rest of the people in this thread are failing to do.

Take farking responsibility for yourself before pointing blame at others. Sorry your dog got shot, but the police did nothing wrong in this incident (and just like pit bulls police often do get wrongly blamed for a lot of things just because they are police. If you have never seen the difference between how an untrained dog protects property and how a trained dog protects property, here would be the difference in thought process when you are confronted with it "Aww it is trying to protect the property" "ohshiatohshiatohshiatohshiat" The officer may have not had the option to retreat that depends on where he was in the yard when he realized the dog was their and how the dog actually reacted


But hey what do I know about violent dogs I only volunteered at a human society 5 years including during this shiat storm Link. And I have also had the lovely opportunity of being a Michelin man and being chewed on by a dog, which is simultaneously less and more fun than it seems.
 
2012-10-01 11:47:56 AM

trappedspirit: phenn: trappedspirit: phenn: Someone's bike getting stolen does not rise to the need to shoot someone else's dog.

Somehow I am thinking this wasn't a planned event. Unless you are saying that a stolen bike doesn't give rise to the need for a pursuit.

I'm saying that, if the cops involved had the sense God gave a rhubarb, they wouldn't have let the situation escalate to a point where guns were out in the first place.

Searching for a robber and encountering a dog who becomes defensive would not be what I call escalating the situation.


That is *precisely* what I call it.
 
2012-10-01 11:48:07 AM
Two of my most unliked things met up in that backyard! I'm confused, should I be happy a devil dog is dead or sad that the office didn't get chewed?
 
2012-10-01 11:50:07 AM
He said Pup-pup was a humble dog and was great with kids, but was also trained to protect to his property.

What would happen if a kid was trespassing on the property?
 
2012-10-01 11:57:14 AM

phenn: trappedspirit: phenn: trappedspirit: phenn: Someone's bike getting stolen does not rise to the need to shoot someone else's dog.

Somehow I am thinking this wasn't a planned event. Unless you are saying that a stolen bike doesn't give rise to the need for a pursuit.

I'm saying that, if the cops involved had the sense God gave a rhubarb, they wouldn't have let the situation escalate to a point where guns were out in the first place.

Searching for a robber and encountering a dog who becomes defensive would not be what I call escalating the situation.

That is *precisely* what I call it.


Ok, what was the situation before it got escalated?
 
2012-10-01 12:01:25 PM

trappedspirit: Ok, what was the situation before it got escalated?


A stolen bicycle.
 
2012-10-01 12:04:47 PM

trappedspirit: phenn: trappedspirit: phenn: trappedspirit: phenn: Someone's bike getting stolen does not rise to the need to shoot someone else's dog.

Somehow I am thinking this wasn't a planned event. Unless you are saying that a stolen bike doesn't give rise to the need for a pursuit.

I'm saying that, if the cops involved had the sense God gave a rhubarb, they wouldn't have let the situation escalate to a point where guns were out in the first place.

Searching for a robber and encountering a dog who becomes defensive would not be what I call escalating the situation.

That is *precisely* what I call it.

Ok, what was the situation before it got escalated?


Looking for a farking stolen bike. You really think guns drawn is part of looking for a stolen bike? Guns were drawn at some point. Lest, the pup would still be in the land of the living.
 
2012-10-01 12:08:53 PM

phenn: trappedspirit: phenn: trappedspirit: phenn: trappedspirit: phenn: Someone's bike getting stolen does not rise to the need to shoot someone else's dog.

Somehow I am thinking this wasn't a planned event. Unless you are saying that a stolen bike doesn't give rise to the need for a pursuit.

I'm saying that, if the cops involved had the sense God gave a rhubarb, they wouldn't have let the situation escalate to a point where guns were out in the first place.

Searching for a robber and encountering a dog who becomes defensive would not be what I call escalating the situation.

That is *precisely* what I call it.

Ok, what was the situation before it got escalated?

Looking for a farking stolen bike. You really think guns drawn is part of looking for a stolen bike? Guns were drawn at some point. Lest, the pup would still be in the land of the living.


I figured the gun(s) were drawn after the dog escalated the situation.
 
2012-10-01 12:10:18 PM

More_Like_A_Stain: trappedspirit: Ok, what was the situation before it got escalated?

A stolen bicycle.


So to escalate a situation means to get a dog confrontation into the mix?
 
2012-10-01 12:13:53 PM
Is it that this crap is happening more and more or is it just the age of information making it seem so?
I have a large friendly dog who ACTS aggressive towards strangers.

I see it ending badly for all involved if he's ever fenced in and a cop legally enters my backyard.
 
2012-10-01 01:12:40 PM

yet_another_wumpus: AssAsInAssassin: FTA: "They were looking for a man who had punched another guy in the face and stole his bike..."

stolen his bike.

If he had punched a guy and stolen his bike.

/Grammar Nazi will go away now.

Ahem. Robbed. Theft via violence is robbery.

/a Grammar Nazis is always in need of correction.


1)That's ot a grammatical error; it's a semantic error.
2) Is that the only other error you saw? 'Cause I only picked the one that bugged me the most.
 
2012-10-01 01:32:29 PM

More_Like_A_Stain: relaxitsjustme: I give the cops a lot of shait when they screw up but I can't really get on them for this one.

It's unfortunate but I wouldn't want the police to stop searching for a suspect because the guy crossed into private property

If the dog was really that vicious, they would've already found the guy that they were chasing. Or at least they would've found what's left of him. How many people train their guard dogs to attack the second person that enters their territory?


Ummm all of them...
 
2012-10-01 01:55:17 PM
1) Do any LEOs live near the shot dogs house?
2) Does the dog bark alot?
3) "Hey guys, I think that perp ran this way, over by Cpt Smith's house!"
4) Ruh-Ro
5) quiet dog x_x
 
2012-10-01 01:55:55 PM

MusicMakeMyHeadPound: Prince George County, Maryland?

*clicks article*

Huh, I was wrong.


I was going to post the same thing, word for word.
 
2012-10-01 02:01:05 PM

CruiserTwelve: authorizeduser: Gee, what are you likely to find in a backyard? Dogs.

Where's the one place you're not likely to find a bike thief? Locked in a backyard with an unfamiliar pit bull.

Granted, that's way too much number crunching for a beat cop. We probably shouldn't provide firearms to society's dullest wits.

Thanks for the tip. Next time I'm looking for a bad guy I won't bother looking in backyards because, y'know, there are dogs back there.


Let us know the next time you heroically pursue and capture a bicycle thief.

/i feel safer
 
2012-10-01 02:07:23 PM

CruiserTwelve: "So are you going to go after the guy that punched me and stole my bike?"

"Nope. Gonna go eat donuts. Not worth the risk of being the object of a Fark thread."


So, for encounters with dogs, do they teach you heroes anything other than, "immediately fill it with bullets"?
 
2012-10-01 02:17:04 PM
I have many friends with Pit Bulls and other dogs. All you need do to let the dog know you aren't a threat is walk calmly and move slowly. Try a word like Plotz, German for down. The dog can sense your emotional state by your movement and sounds you make. Shooting a dog because you perceive it as a threat is a cowardly move by poorly trained officers.

Learn some dog commands! Sometimes the dog will help you find the perp if you know how to talk to them!!!

http://anacapaworkingdogs.com/Training_Commands.htm
 
2012-10-01 02:17:33 PM

CruiserTwelve: authorizeduser: Gee, what are you likely to find in a backyard? Dogs.

Where's the one place you're not likely to find a bike thief? Locked in a backyard with an unfamiliar pit bull.

Granted, that's way too much number crunching for a beat cop. We probably shouldn't provide firearms to society's dullest wits.

Thanks for the tip. Next time I'm looking for a bad guy I won't bother looking in backyards because, y'know, there are dogs back there.


Until cops find a better response for dog encounters - other than spamming their pistol trigger - that would probably be for the best.
 
2012-10-01 02:44:36 PM

fusillade762: "Hey look, there's a big mean dog barking in this yard. Our perp MUST be hiding there!"


It's coming right for us.
 
2012-10-01 03:32:07 PM

Lligeret: As a dog lover, dog owner, and general police hater, I am siding with the cops on this one.

If you have a trained guard dog ALWAYS ALWAYS have signs (if you have any dog except something puntable you should have signs too, but having a trained guard dog and not having signs is completely stupid).


But hey what do I know about violent dogs I onl ...


Thinking signs would have prevented this is just plain stupid.

did you watch the video and see that the fence was of the chain link type and about 4 ft tall...? There was no critical thought to look prior to entering.

/maybe we should take their guns and give them dog whistles instead...
 
2012-10-01 04:21:21 PM

BuckTurgidson: So, for encounters with dogs, do they teach you heroes anything other than, "immediately fill it with bullets"?


Yes, they teach us to stand there and get gnawed on. If you're a training officer, what do you tell cops to do whan encountering an aggressive pit bull?
 
2012-10-01 05:28:39 PM

CruiserTwelve: BuckTurgidson: So, for encounters with dogs, do they teach you heroes anything other than, "immediately fill it with bullets"?

Yes, they teach us to stand there and get gnawed on. If you're a training officer, what do you tell cops to do whan encountering an aggressive pit bull?


images.wikia.com
 
2012-10-01 06:46:20 PM

StoPPeRmobile: Yes, they teach us to stand there and get gnawed on. If you're a training officer, what do you tell cops to do whan encountering an aggressive pit bull?

picture of a hammer


That's non-responsive to my question. What do you teach officers to do if they encounter an aggressive pit bull while doing their job?
 
2012-10-01 07:31:12 PM
And now the officer should have to stand guard over the homeowners property until the dog's replacement is found....

Better story if it had been killed with a Hurley.

reference for those who need it
 
2012-10-01 07:55:50 PM

CruiserTwelve: StoPPeRmobile: Yes, they teach us to stand there and get gnawed on. If you're a training officer, what do you tell cops to do whan encountering an aggressive pit bull?

picture of a hammer

That's non-responsive to my question. What do you teach officers to do if they encounter an aggressive pit bull while doing their job?


Use common sense- if there's an aggressive dog in the yard, then the suspects probably not there, so search elsewhere.
 
2012-10-01 08:03:48 PM

fredklein: Use common sense- if there's an aggressive dog in the yard, then the suspects probably not there, so search elsewhere.


Do you seriously think the cops went into the backyard knowing there was a pitbull there?
 
2012-10-01 08:25:56 PM

kosherkow: Lligeret: As a dog lover, dog owner, and general police hater, I am siding with the cops on this one.

If you have a trained guard dog ALWAYS ALWAYS have signs (if you have any dog except something puntable you should have signs too, but having a trained guard dog and not having signs is completely stupid).


But hey what do I know about violent dogs I onl ...

Thinking signs would have prevented this is just plain stupid.

did you watch the video and see that the fence was of the chain link type and about 4 ft tall...? There was no critical thought to look prior to entering.

/maybe we should take their guns and give them dog whistles instead...



Ok so I went back and watched the video and stand by my statement even more.
-There were multiple yards with fences up. I doubt they all contain dogs in them.
-The vast majority of the backyard is not visible from the entrance to the yard, but it does have a convenient path along the side of a house that would be easy to maneuver a bike back through.
-There is no evidence from the front of the house that there is a dog there.
-The officer walked around the corner and ran into the dog pretty much immediately.
-From this point the reaction of the dog is up to how it was trained. Some are trained to do no more than intimidate. Some are trained to not chase if someone leaves or does not advance anymore. Some are trained to bite.


Point stands signs may not have saved the dog, but at least the owner made an effort and would have a right to be outraged. As it stands the guy is lucky that the dog did not maul the officer because then he would be in a heap load of trouble.

Officer did his job, it is a sad incident but the blame does not fall squarely on the police. A $1 sign may have saved that dogs life, it may not have but it would have at given the owner an opportunity to recoup some of what they lost as blame would have fallen squarely on the police.

I will say it again the signs are not there to tell your neighbors you have a big bad dog, they are not there to tell would be robbers that you have a big bad dog, they are their to tell authorities that you have a big bad dog and it would be in everyone's best interest to knock on your door rather than have this happen or have an officer get mauled.
 
2012-10-01 08:50:10 PM

CruiserTwelve: fredklein: Use common sense- if there's an aggressive dog in the yard, then the suspects probably not there, so search elsewhere.

Do you seriously think the cops went into the backyard knowing there was a pitbull there?


No, but they seriously stayed and shot the dog instead of retreating.
 
2012-10-01 09:45:27 PM

fredklein: No, but they seriously stayed and shot the dog instead of retreating.


I didn't know you were there.
 
2012-10-01 10:22:01 PM

CruiserTwelve: BuckTurgidson: So, for encounters with dogs, do they teach you heroes anything other than, "immediately fill it with bullets"?

Yes, they teach us to stand there and get gnawed on. If you're a training officer, what do you tell cops to do whan encountering an aggressive pit bull?


I tell them to piss their undies then summarily execute - by emptying at least one mag into - the tail-wagging spaniel that was greeting them.

Since generally the cops are way ahead of me on that, I tell them to come back for my Fantasy Fiction Creative Writing seminar to learn how to fill out the report.
 
2012-10-01 10:36:45 PM

BuckTurgidson: I tell them to piss their undies then summarily execute - by emptying at least one mag into - the tail-wagging spaniel that was greeting them.

Since generally the cops are way ahead of me on that, I tell them to come back for my Fantasy Fiction Creative Writing seminar to learn how to fill out the report.


Kinda like the creative writing you used in your answer? I asked about an aggressive pit bull and you turned it into a tail-wagging spaniel that was greeting them.
 
2012-10-01 10:40:52 PM

CruiserTwelve: fredklein: No, but they seriously stayed and shot the dog instead of retreating.

I didn't know you were there.


And you were, I suppose?

You have pepper spray, as effective a dog deterrent as it is a people deterrent. You have a stun gun (actually, do you still carry those, or is it all Tasers now?) - just BUZZING a stun gun without making contact deters a dog attack. You have the clubs and blackjacks you use to assault your citizen employers with impunity any time you feel slighted. You have feet. At some point in your career, you actually had to pass a test of some sort.

I was at a big dog event in Aurora two days ago. I attended a demonstration by an Aurora PD K-9 handler and another handler from Commerce City. Handler seemed like a nice, professional guy who seemed to love his K9 partner. Did an obedience demo and some bite work, answered questions, and boosted the Colorado Police Canine Association. Talked about treatment of retired K9s. He spoke no less than four times, very earnestly, about how "these dogs are our children", "members of our family".

You for any reason you choose open my gate, walk into my yard, and shoot MY family member to death as punishment for doing her job by barking at you, you walk away without a second thoughy, pang of conscience, or least notion of apology.

If I so much as raise a hand against an attacking police K9 I get charged with resisting and assaulting an officer. If I were to kill one in self-defense I'd get charged with murder.

/csb: during Q&A, one of the dogs raised a leg and pissed on the Commerce City handler's shoe.
 
2012-10-01 10:41:31 PM

CruiserTwelve: Kinda like the creative writing you used in your answer? I asked about an aggressive pit bull and you turned it into a tail-wagging spaniel that was greeting them.


The "aggressive pit bull" is your story.
 
2012-10-01 10:57:58 PM

CruiserTwelve: fredklein: No, but they seriously stayed and shot the dog instead of retreating.

I didn't know you were there.


Ok, now I KNOW you're a troll.
 
2012-10-01 11:22:43 PM

david_gaithersburg: Smoking GNU: david_gaithersburg: I wish they would do this more often, a community service

Go DIAF, you goddamn piece of useless human filth.

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All pit bulls should be put down, they are not domesticated animals.


You need to leave your basement and meet any of the hundreds of pit bulls I've met/worked with that were bundles of love and licks.
 
2012-10-01 11:33:30 PM

BuckTurgidson: You have pepper spray, as effective a dog deterrent as it is a people deterrent. You have a stun gun (actually, do you still carry those, or is it all Tasers now?) - just BUZZING a stun gun without making contact deters a dog attack. You have the clubs and blackjacks you use to assault your citizen employers with impunity any time you feel slighted. You have feet. At some point in your career, you actually had to pass a test of some sort.


We don't carry pepper spray any more. Tasers replaced stun guns, which we never carried anyhow. We carry batons but not black jacks.

I was at a big dog event in Aurora two days ago. I attended a demonstration by an Aurora PD K-9 handler and another handler from Commerce City. Handler seemed like a nice, professional guy who seemed to love his K9 partner. Did an obedience demo and some bite work, answered questions, and boosted the Colorado Police Canine Association. Talked about treatment of retired K9s. He spoke no less than four times, very earnestly, about how "these dogs are our children", "members of our family".

You for any reason you choose open my gate, walk into my yard, and shoot MY family member to death as punishment for doing her job by barking at you, you walk away without a second thoughy, pang of conscience, or least notion of apology.


Do you think that's what happened in this scenario? I don't know exactly what happened any more than you do, but I doubt the cop had any cruel intentions when he shot the dog, and I'm sure he was remorseful. He certainly didn't shoot the dog "as punishment for doing her job," as you say.

If I so much as raise a hand against an attacking police K9 I get charged with resisting and assaulting an officer. If I were to kill one in self-defense I'd get charged with murder.

No, you wouldn't. Look up the statutes for those crimes and tell me how they apply to a dog.
 
2012-10-01 11:37:13 PM

BuckTurgidson: The "aggressive pit bull" is your story.


It wasn't my story, it was a question. My question was this: "If you're a training officer, what do you tell cops to do whan encountering an aggressive pit bull?" Your response had something to do with a tail-wagging spaniel.
 
2012-10-02 12:06:19 AM

CruiserTwelve: You for any reason you choose open my gate, walk into my yard, and shoot MY family member to death as punishment for doing her job by barking at you, you walk away without a second thoughy, pang of conscience, or least notion of apology.

Do you think that's what happened in this scenario? I don't know exactly what happened any more than you do, but I doubt the cop had any cruel intentions when he shot the dog, and I'm sure he was remorseful. He certainly didn't shoot the dog "as punishment for doing her job," as you say.


We both speculate. But, yes I do tend toward, in the absence of further evidence, the theory the cop opened the gate, went into the back yard, encountered a scary looking dog defending - as is its bred-for-millenia job - that back yard by barking and snarling, and chose "pumping it full of lead" as the first option. Absence in the story of bite-marks, stitches, or tetanus shots is of course purely circumstantial.

If I so much as raise a hand against an attacking police K9 I get charged with resisting and assaulting an officer. If I were to kill one in self-defense I'd get charged with murder.

No, you wouldn't. Look up the statutes for those crimes and tell me how they apply to a dog.


Very well. So I can kill a police dog with the same impunity a police officer can kill my dog, then?
 
2012-10-02 12:24:47 AM

CruiserTwelve: BuckTurgidson: The "aggressive pit bull" is your story.

It wasn't my story, it was a question. My question was this: "If you're a training officer, what do you tell cops to do whan encountering an aggressive pit bull?"


Adopt a dominant posture and attitude, raising a hand and shouting "NO!" as you deploy your pepper spray (or, according to the situation, your stun gun). That's it.

By this time you've assessed whether the demon dog Charon from Hell ... aggressive pit-bull ...tail-wagging spaniel is in fact attacking you, or merely (successfully, most likely, sugarpants) intimidating you.

OK, I'm sorry, it really is terrifying squat-built dog with wide jaws (boxer? "pit bull"? rotty-lab-mutt? corgi-coonhound? pinscher-schnoodle?)

If actually attacking - engaging you or your uniform with its teeth - stun the little biatch with your stun gun or pepperspray its eyes or kick it or club it or shoot it as seems fit.

You are pretty clear on when it is and when it is not appropriate to use lethal force against a human - a tool-using creature of roughly equal size and intelligence as yourself - yes?
 
2012-10-02 01:39:08 AM

fusillade762: "Hey look, there's a big mean dog barking in this yard. Our perp MUST be hiding there!"


I doubt that a cop would enter a yard knowing there's a defensive dog in the yard. What likely happened was that the dog was sleeping, the cop entered the yard not knowing the dog was there, the dog woke up, thought the cop was an intruder, cop thought he was being attacked and defended himself.
 
2012-10-02 01:58:45 AM
But try telling that to a cop hater. They won't listen. To them, facts like that don't matter or are otherwise irrelevant because they're prejudiced against cops. And then they refuse to admit they are so. Go figure.
 
2012-10-02 08:48:52 AM
One thing I noticed when watching the video that made me even more upset. The fence the dog was in was a chain linked fence. No higher then 3 feet. The cop could of easily escape by jumping said fence. Or heres another thing, the house next door, did not have a fence. So he could of walked over and looked into the yard and did a quick check before entering.

I think the death of the dog is all on him for not using his head. He should be punished either by having to pay for a replacement dog of equal or greater value or being fired all together (and be branded a dog killer and not allowed to work in law enforcement again).
 
2012-10-02 08:51:38 AM

BuckTurgidson: If actually attacking - engaging you or your uniform with its teeth - stun the little biatch with your stun gun or pepperspray its eyes or kick it or club it or shoot it as seems fit.


So you should let the dog bite you before you defend yourself?
 
2012-10-02 09:02:55 AM

Cloudchaser Sakonige the Red Wolf: thought the cop was an intruder


The cop WAS intruding.
 
2012-10-02 11:38:01 AM

CruiserTwelve: BuckTurgidson: If I so much as raise a hand against an attacking police K9 I get charged with resisting and assaulting an officer. If I were to kill one in self-defense I'd get charged with murder.

No, you wouldn't. Look up the statutes for those crimes and tell me how they apply to a dog.


Yes, you would. I posted some news links last time this came up.

There are no statutes that I could find, but there appears to be a "gentlemen's agreement" between Police, prosecutors, and the courts that any offense to a K9 will be charged as if it were a human Officer.
 
2012-10-02 03:31:51 PM

CruiserTwelve: BuckTurgidson: If actually attacking - engaging you or your uniform with its teeth - stun the little biatch with your stun gun or pepperspray its eyes or kick it or club it or shoot it as seems fit.

So you should let the dog bite you before you defend yourself?


You should be trained in and use rational situation assessment and if force is rationally needed in an animal encounter, use non-lethal force as the first option (you know, like you're supposed to do with people). You'll still have the option of lethal force after that - it doesn't work the other way around though.

I've said it before: prior to being put on the streets in our police cruisers with our gear and our tax-dollars funding their union-protected full-benefits-with-pension career from which it is virtually impossible to get and stay fired regardless of outrageous and downright criminal conduct, new police officers should be required to spend two months walking a route as mail carriers to overcome their violent terror of pooches.
 
2012-10-02 05:04:37 PM

CruiserTwelve: That's non-responsive to my question. What do you teach officers to do if they encounter an aggressive pit bull while doing their job?


Let's try: don't charge blindly into a fenced private yard without a) probable cause and b) checking it for threats from a safe vantage point?

How about: don't recklessly endanger the lives and callously destroy the property of the citizens you're supposed to be protecting during a gung-ho pursuit of a petty thief?
 
2012-10-02 09:29:45 PM

fnordfocus: There are no statutes that I could find, but there appears to be a "gentlemen's agreement" between Police, prosecutors, and the courts that any offense to a K9 will be charged as if it were a human Officer.


Impossible. The victim of a murder or assault must be another human being. The only possible statute, barring a specific statute referencing police dogs, would be cruelty to animals.
 
2012-10-02 09:36:41 PM

clyph: Let's try: don't charge blindly into a fenced private yard without a) probable cause and b) checking it for threats from a safe vantage point?

How about: don't recklessly endanger the lives and callously destroy the property of the citizens you're supposed to be protecting during a gung-ho pursuit of a petty thief?


Punching someone in the face and taking their bike is not petty theft, it's robbery.It's the difference between a low misdemeanor and a felony. And...

Y'know what? Fark it. You guys aren't going to be reasonable no matter what I say. Cops are always wrong and nothing is going to change that in your minds. I'm not going to waste any more of my time.
 
2012-10-02 09:39:11 PM

CruiserTwelve: Y'know what? Fark it. You guys aren't going to be reasonable no matter what I say. Cops are always wrong and nothing is going to change that in your minds. I'm not going to waste any more of my time.


4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-10-02 11:05:09 PM

CruiserTwelve: clyph: Let's try: don't charge blindly into a fenced private yard without a) probable cause and b) checking it for threats from a safe vantage point?

How about: don't recklessly endanger the lives and callously destroy the property of the citizens you're supposed to be protecting during a gung-ho pursuit of a petty thief?

Punching someone in the face and taking their bike is not petty theft, it's robbery.It's the difference between a low misdemeanor and a felony. And...

Y'know what? Fark it. You guys aren't going to be reasonable no matter what I say. Cops are always wrong and nothing is going to change that in your minds. I'm not going to waste any more of my time.


Don't tase us, bro!
 
2012-10-02 11:09:04 PM

CruiserTwelve: fnordfocus: There are no statutes that I could find, but there appears to be a "gentlemen's agreement" between Police, prosecutors, and the courts that any offense to a K9 will be charged as if it were a human Officer.

Impossible. The victim of a murder or assault must be another human being. The only possible statute, barring a specific statute referencing police dogs, would be cruelty to animals.


Don't troll us, bro!
 
2012-10-02 11:22:28 PM

CruiserTwelve: fnordfocus: There are no statutes that I could find, but there appears to be a "gentlemen's agreement" between Police, prosecutors, and the courts that any offense to a K9 will be charged as if it were a human Officer.

Impossible. The victim of a murder or assault must be another human being. The only possible statute, barring a specific statute referencing police dogs, would be cruelty to animals.


I didn't say there was a statute. I said that y'all, along with prosecutors and court, all agree to the "legal fiction" that a K9 Officer should be treated as a human in court.

Here's one example of a life sentence under the UCMJ, but I found civilian examples when I Googled before. Too lazy to do it again this time since you've already decide to leave again.
 
2012-10-02 11:22:36 PM

CruiserTwelve: Cops are always wrong and nothing is going to change that in your minds.


2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-10-02 11:33:20 PM

CruiserTwelve: Y'know what? Fark it. You guys aren't going to be reasonable no matter what I say. Cops are always wrong and nothing is going to change that in your minds. I


I'm willing to give you a chance to explain yourself.

OK, so it's a low-grade felony instead of a misdemeanor. The perp is a violent felon. I'll concede that point. It doesn't help your case, but I'll concede it.

You still haven't addressed the key point: why this chucklehead put himself in the position where he "had" to shoot the dog in the first place.

Do you consider it proper police procedure to blindly pursue a violent felon into an enclosed area, where the officer (demonstrably) could not see a lurking threat, without backup? Do you feel that the officer's actions demonstrate good judgement?

If so, explain.

If not, what would you consider to be an appropriate sanction for the officer involved?

Do you feel the officer owes the owner of the dead dog a personal apology? Does the department owe him an official apology?
 
2012-10-02 11:45:15 PM

fnordfocus: Here's one example of a life sentence under the UCMJ, but I found civilian examples when I Googled before. Too lazy to do it again this time since you've already decide to leave again.


Just GIS "police dog funeral". Be sure to hum Amazing Grace with a tear in your eye as you do.
 
2012-10-03 04:41:21 AM

Slartibartfaster: Cloudchaser Sakonige the Red Wolf: thought the cop was an intruder

The cop WAS intruding.


Technically, yes. But he was not intruding with the intent to steal something or otherwise cause harm
 
2012-10-03 08:36:26 AM

Cloudchaser Sakonige the Red Wolf: Slartibartfaster: Cloudchaser Sakonige the Red Wolf: thought the cop was an intruder

The cop WAS intruding.

Technically, yes. But he was not intruding with the intent to steal something or otherwise cause harm


Intruding is still intruding with or without the intend to stealing or causing harm.
 
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