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2012-10-01 10:01:04 AM

office_despot: david_gaithersburg: I wish they would do this more often, a community service

I at least wish they would get my next door neighbor's dog.

You know, not all dogs are nice and re-educable. Many are neglected and confined, and become mean, scary, and dangerous. It might not be the dog's fault, but that doesn't make a dog less dangerous.


So, just call the cops and tell them you saw your neighbor with a dime bag. SWAT will bust down their door and shoot the dog for you.

/Probably grandma, too
 
2012-10-01 10:03:44 AM

Free Radical: As long as the owner gets compensated for his loss of property (the dog) it's OK. If this is a case of 'we're sorry we shot and killed your pet' then it's not OK.


I agree in principle

Does this part of the article bother you ?

"The dog was shot multiple times"

They had the ability to flee after or before the first shot

An aggressive guard dog is an indication that the fugitive was not there.
This deserves further investigation, further exploration, and further consideration.
not "The dog was shot multiple times"
 
2012-10-01 10:15:04 AM

hosalabad: Dear Pigs, 

If you are searching for a perp in a yard with a pitbull, the absence of the sound of a guy being mauled means the yard is clear, move on.


Yeah, but what if the dog is a co-conspirator? You can never be too safe. "Gotta stay safe! My job is almost as dangerous as postal work!"
 
2012-10-01 10:22:26 AM
Probably never caught the thief either.
 
2012-10-01 10:24:18 AM

Smoking GNU: Yes, because the suspect with the bicycle is OBVIOUSLY hiding in the yard with the Very Vicious Pit Bull that needs to be shot on sight. We know this cause the guy punched the other guy in the face to steal the bike, so he was unarmed. Only an UNARMED MAN (or police with guns) can hope to subdue such a vicious beast.


Do you actually think the cop knew the dog was in the yard when he entered?
 
2012-10-01 10:30:17 AM
Your dog wants body armor.
 
2012-10-01 10:34:11 AM

lewismarktwo: hosalabad: Dear Pigs, 

If you are searching for a perp in a yard with a pitbull, the absence of the sound of a guy being mauled means the yard is clear, move on.

Yeah, but what if the dog is a co-conspirator? You can never be too safe. "Gotta stay safe! My job is almost as dangerous as postal work!"


We are doomed if pitbulls learn to ride bikes.
 
2012-10-01 10:36:33 AM

NannyStatePark: How many people sued over a paint scratch incurred by such help? As a taxpayer, I'm not sure I want to be on that hook.


It's not their job to change a tire.

They could however, give her enough safe space to change the tire, or even just call a tow truck, without getting out of the air conditioning.

But if you start showing some kindness to civilian, they might start thinking they're human too?
 
2012-10-01 10:37:07 AM

relaxitsjustme: I give the cops a lot of shait when they screw up but I can't really get on them for this one.

It's unfortunate but I wouldn't want the police to stop searching for a suspect because the guy crossed into private property


If the dog was really that vicious, they would've already found the guy that they were chasing. Or at least they would've found what's left of him. How many people train their guard dogs to attack the second person that enters their territory?
 
2012-10-01 10:41:23 AM

relaxitsjustme: clyph: I see CruiserTwelve has already chimed in with his daily dose of cop apologetics.

Seriously, dude, is there any threshold of police misconduct that you can't justify? Any abuse of authority that you can't rationalize?

What would you have had the police do in this situation? Not search for the suspect? I don't really see how this is abuse of authority. Cops abuse their powers all the time but this isn't one of those times.


Gee, what are you likely to find in a backyard? Dogs.

Where's the one place you're not likely to find a bike thief? Locked in a backyard with an unfamiliar pit bull.

Granted, that's way too much number crunching for a beat cop. We probably shouldn't provide firearms to society's dullest wits.
 
2012-10-01 10:50:36 AM

Slartibartfaster: Vegan Meat Popsicle: I've learned to assume that cops who shoot the wrong thing are lying sacks of crap who just don't want to lose their job after they did something stupid and uncalled for.

Not all of them are.
The ones who defend and deny are though (as you quite rightly pointed out rather eloquently)
Some will sacrifice their career to do the right thing, they just have a tendency to live in other nations.

// Rules do not apply for the US, your "mile" age may vary.
/ Will never step on US soil again.
// Any lawyers wanna give me some help relinquishing my daughters US citizenship ? She was born in California, raised in Oregon and British Columbia (with smatterings of Ociania and China), almost 5 years old, citizen of three nations, all of them are members of the "five eyes".


According to the Bureau of Consular Affairs, you cannot relinquish citizenship for your minor children. Link. IANAL.
 
2012-10-01 10:58:01 AM

authorizeduser: Gee, what are you likely to find in a backyard? Dogs.

Where's the one place you're not likely to find a bike thief? Locked in a backyard with an unfamiliar pit bull.

Granted, that's way too much number crunching for a beat cop. We probably shouldn't provide firearms to society's dullest wits.


Thanks for the tip. Next time I'm looking for a bad guy I won't bother looking in backyards because, y'know, there are dogs back there.
 
2012-10-01 11:00:32 AM

phenn: Someone's bike getting stolen does not rise to the need to shoot someone else's dog.


Somehow I am thinking this wasn't a planned event. Unless you are saying that a stolen bike doesn't give rise to the need for a pursuit.
 
2012-10-01 11:03:21 AM

fusillade762: "Hey look, there's a big mean dog barking in this yard. Our perp MUST be hiding there!"


This!... They shot and killed a trained guard dog... It seems the best possible resolution would be for them to transfer a trained police dog to this guy, and show him the basics... Watch the cops recoil in horror at the thought of losing their precious doggy... Hypocrites...
 
2012-10-01 11:06:33 AM

trappedspirit: phenn: Someone's bike getting stolen does not rise to the need to shoot someone else's dog.

Somehow I am thinking this wasn't a planned event. Unless you are saying that a stolen bike doesn't give rise to the need for a pursuit.


I'm saying that, if the cops involved had the sense God gave a rhubarb, they wouldn't have let the situation escalate to a point where guns were out in the first place.
 
2012-10-01 11:14:46 AM

Anastacya: According to the Bureau of Consular Affairs, you cannot relinquish citizenship for your minor children. Link. IANAL


I am grateful.

I researched more - I can under commonwealth law, she of course will never be allowed to enter the US, but it is a big world and that is a tiny nation.
 
2012-10-01 11:16:25 AM

phenn: trappedspirit: phenn: Someone's bike getting stolen does not rise to the need to shoot someone else's dog.

Somehow I am thinking this wasn't a planned event. Unless you are saying that a stolen bike doesn't give rise to the need for a pursuit.

I'm saying that, if the cops involved had the sense God gave a rhubarb, they wouldn't have let the situation escalate to a point where guns were out in the first place.


This is the point I was trying (unsuccessfully as it turned out) in the first place. Bicycle theft is a crime that demands armed pursuit of a suspect? There aren't any other crimes in their city that deserve equal attention?
 
2012-10-01 11:20:56 AM

phenn: trappedspirit: phenn: Someone's bike getting stolen does not rise to the need to shoot someone else's dog.

Somehow I am thinking this wasn't a planned event. Unless you are saying that a stolen bike doesn't give rise to the need for a pursuit.

I'm saying that, if the cops involved had the sense God gave a rhubarb, they wouldn't have let the situation escalate to a point where guns were out in the first place.


Searching for a robber and encountering a dog who becomes defensive would not be what I call escalating the situation.
 
2012-10-01 11:25:06 AM
Thread cries out for this:

www.ywgrossman.com
 
2012-10-01 11:42:47 AM
As a dog lover, dog owner, and general police hater, I am siding with the cops on this one.

If you have a trained guard dog ALWAYS ALWAYS have signs (if you have any dog except something puntable you should have signs too, but having a trained guard dog and not having signs is completely stupid).

The cops are allowed to pass through property looking for suspects, but the reasons for the signs is not so that your neighbors know you have a big bad dog. Just like the signs on the front of houses saying that there is an alarm and rent-a-cops are going to show up is not so your neighbors know that you have an alarm and a rent-a-cop is going to show up. The primary function of these signs is to alert authorities so you don't turn an non-incident into an actual incident.

It sucks that the dog got shot but the owner has some responsibility in this and it is too easy to always point fingers at the police and say they messed up. Who knows if signs would have saved the dogs, but at least people would have the right to be outraged if the signs were up. The owner of the dog from his comments clearly is not happy that his dog was shot, but seems to recognize this, something that the rest of the people in this thread are failing to do.

Take farking responsibility for yourself before pointing blame at others. Sorry your dog got shot, but the police did nothing wrong in this incident (and just like pit bulls police often do get wrongly blamed for a lot of things just because they are police. If you have never seen the difference between how an untrained dog protects property and how a trained dog protects property, here would be the difference in thought process when you are confronted with it "Aww it is trying to protect the property" "ohshiatohshiatohshiatohshiat" The officer may have not had the option to retreat that depends on where he was in the yard when he realized the dog was their and how the dog actually reacted


But hey what do I know about violent dogs I only volunteered at a human society 5 years including during this shiat storm Link. And I have also had the lovely opportunity of being a Michelin man and being chewed on by a dog, which is simultaneously less and more fun than it seems.
 
2012-10-01 11:47:56 AM

trappedspirit: phenn: trappedspirit: phenn: Someone's bike getting stolen does not rise to the need to shoot someone else's dog.

Somehow I am thinking this wasn't a planned event. Unless you are saying that a stolen bike doesn't give rise to the need for a pursuit.

I'm saying that, if the cops involved had the sense God gave a rhubarb, they wouldn't have let the situation escalate to a point where guns were out in the first place.

Searching for a robber and encountering a dog who becomes defensive would not be what I call escalating the situation.


That is *precisely* what I call it.
 
2012-10-01 11:48:07 AM
Two of my most unliked things met up in that backyard! I'm confused, should I be happy a devil dog is dead or sad that the office didn't get chewed?
 
2012-10-01 11:50:07 AM
He said Pup-pup was a humble dog and was great with kids, but was also trained to protect to his property.

What would happen if a kid was trespassing on the property?
 
2012-10-01 11:57:14 AM

phenn: trappedspirit: phenn: trappedspirit: phenn: Someone's bike getting stolen does not rise to the need to shoot someone else's dog.

Somehow I am thinking this wasn't a planned event. Unless you are saying that a stolen bike doesn't give rise to the need for a pursuit.

I'm saying that, if the cops involved had the sense God gave a rhubarb, they wouldn't have let the situation escalate to a point where guns were out in the first place.

Searching for a robber and encountering a dog who becomes defensive would not be what I call escalating the situation.

That is *precisely* what I call it.


Ok, what was the situation before it got escalated?
 
2012-10-01 12:01:25 PM

trappedspirit: Ok, what was the situation before it got escalated?


A stolen bicycle.
 
2012-10-01 12:04:47 PM

trappedspirit: phenn: trappedspirit: phenn: trappedspirit: phenn: Someone's bike getting stolen does not rise to the need to shoot someone else's dog.

Somehow I am thinking this wasn't a planned event. Unless you are saying that a stolen bike doesn't give rise to the need for a pursuit.

I'm saying that, if the cops involved had the sense God gave a rhubarb, they wouldn't have let the situation escalate to a point where guns were out in the first place.

Searching for a robber and encountering a dog who becomes defensive would not be what I call escalating the situation.

That is *precisely* what I call it.

Ok, what was the situation before it got escalated?


Looking for a farking stolen bike. You really think guns drawn is part of looking for a stolen bike? Guns were drawn at some point. Lest, the pup would still be in the land of the living.
 
2012-10-01 12:08:53 PM

phenn: trappedspirit: phenn: trappedspirit: phenn: trappedspirit: phenn: Someone's bike getting stolen does not rise to the need to shoot someone else's dog.

Somehow I am thinking this wasn't a planned event. Unless you are saying that a stolen bike doesn't give rise to the need for a pursuit.

I'm saying that, if the cops involved had the sense God gave a rhubarb, they wouldn't have let the situation escalate to a point where guns were out in the first place.

Searching for a robber and encountering a dog who becomes defensive would not be what I call escalating the situation.

That is *precisely* what I call it.

Ok, what was the situation before it got escalated?

Looking for a farking stolen bike. You really think guns drawn is part of looking for a stolen bike? Guns were drawn at some point. Lest, the pup would still be in the land of the living.


I figured the gun(s) were drawn after the dog escalated the situation.
 
2012-10-01 12:10:18 PM

More_Like_A_Stain: trappedspirit: Ok, what was the situation before it got escalated?

A stolen bicycle.


So to escalate a situation means to get a dog confrontation into the mix?
 
2012-10-01 12:13:53 PM
Is it that this crap is happening more and more or is it just the age of information making it seem so?
I have a large friendly dog who ACTS aggressive towards strangers.

I see it ending badly for all involved if he's ever fenced in and a cop legally enters my backyard.
 
2012-10-01 01:12:40 PM

yet_another_wumpus: AssAsInAssassin: FTA: "They were looking for a man who had punched another guy in the face and stole his bike..."

stolen his bike.

If he had punched a guy and stolen his bike.

/Grammar Nazi will go away now.

Ahem. Robbed. Theft via violence is robbery.

/a Grammar Nazis is always in need of correction.


1)That's ot a grammatical error; it's a semantic error.
2) Is that the only other error you saw? 'Cause I only picked the one that bugged me the most.
 
2012-10-01 01:32:29 PM

More_Like_A_Stain: relaxitsjustme: I give the cops a lot of shait when they screw up but I can't really get on them for this one.

It's unfortunate but I wouldn't want the police to stop searching for a suspect because the guy crossed into private property

If the dog was really that vicious, they would've already found the guy that they were chasing. Or at least they would've found what's left of him. How many people train their guard dogs to attack the second person that enters their territory?


Ummm all of them...
 
2012-10-01 01:55:17 PM
1) Do any LEOs live near the shot dogs house?
2) Does the dog bark alot?
3) "Hey guys, I think that perp ran this way, over by Cpt Smith's house!"
4) Ruh-Ro
5) quiet dog x_x
 
2012-10-01 01:55:55 PM

MusicMakeMyHeadPound: Prince George County, Maryland?

*clicks article*

Huh, I was wrong.


I was going to post the same thing, word for word.
 
2012-10-01 02:01:05 PM

CruiserTwelve: authorizeduser: Gee, what are you likely to find in a backyard? Dogs.

Where's the one place you're not likely to find a bike thief? Locked in a backyard with an unfamiliar pit bull.

Granted, that's way too much number crunching for a beat cop. We probably shouldn't provide firearms to society's dullest wits.

Thanks for the tip. Next time I'm looking for a bad guy I won't bother looking in backyards because, y'know, there are dogs back there.


Let us know the next time you heroically pursue and capture a bicycle thief.

/i feel safer
 
2012-10-01 02:07:23 PM

CruiserTwelve: "So are you going to go after the guy that punched me and stole my bike?"

"Nope. Gonna go eat donuts. Not worth the risk of being the object of a Fark thread."


So, for encounters with dogs, do they teach you heroes anything other than, "immediately fill it with bullets"?
 
2012-10-01 02:17:04 PM
I have many friends with Pit Bulls and other dogs. All you need do to let the dog know you aren't a threat is walk calmly and move slowly. Try a word like Plotz, German for down. The dog can sense your emotional state by your movement and sounds you make. Shooting a dog because you perceive it as a threat is a cowardly move by poorly trained officers.

Learn some dog commands! Sometimes the dog will help you find the perp if you know how to talk to them!!!

http://anacapaworkingdogs.com/Training_Commands.htm
 
2012-10-01 02:17:33 PM

CruiserTwelve: authorizeduser: Gee, what are you likely to find in a backyard? Dogs.

Where's the one place you're not likely to find a bike thief? Locked in a backyard with an unfamiliar pit bull.

Granted, that's way too much number crunching for a beat cop. We probably shouldn't provide firearms to society's dullest wits.

Thanks for the tip. Next time I'm looking for a bad guy I won't bother looking in backyards because, y'know, there are dogs back there.


Until cops find a better response for dog encounters - other than spamming their pistol trigger - that would probably be for the best.
 
2012-10-01 02:44:36 PM

fusillade762: "Hey look, there's a big mean dog barking in this yard. Our perp MUST be hiding there!"


It's coming right for us.
 
2012-10-01 03:32:07 PM

Lligeret: As a dog lover, dog owner, and general police hater, I am siding with the cops on this one.

If you have a trained guard dog ALWAYS ALWAYS have signs (if you have any dog except something puntable you should have signs too, but having a trained guard dog and not having signs is completely stupid).


But hey what do I know about violent dogs I onl ...


Thinking signs would have prevented this is just plain stupid.

did you watch the video and see that the fence was of the chain link type and about 4 ft tall...? There was no critical thought to look prior to entering.

/maybe we should take their guns and give them dog whistles instead...
 
2012-10-01 04:21:21 PM

BuckTurgidson: So, for encounters with dogs, do they teach you heroes anything other than, "immediately fill it with bullets"?


Yes, they teach us to stand there and get gnawed on. If you're a training officer, what do you tell cops to do whan encountering an aggressive pit bull?
 
2012-10-01 05:28:39 PM

CruiserTwelve: BuckTurgidson: So, for encounters with dogs, do they teach you heroes anything other than, "immediately fill it with bullets"?

Yes, they teach us to stand there and get gnawed on. If you're a training officer, what do you tell cops to do whan encountering an aggressive pit bull?


images.wikia.com
 
2012-10-01 06:46:20 PM

StoPPeRmobile: Yes, they teach us to stand there and get gnawed on. If you're a training officer, what do you tell cops to do whan encountering an aggressive pit bull?

picture of a hammer


That's non-responsive to my question. What do you teach officers to do if they encounter an aggressive pit bull while doing their job?
 
2012-10-01 07:31:12 PM
And now the officer should have to stand guard over the homeowners property until the dog's replacement is found....

Better story if it had been killed with a Hurley.

reference for those who need it
 
2012-10-01 07:55:50 PM

CruiserTwelve: StoPPeRmobile: Yes, they teach us to stand there and get gnawed on. If you're a training officer, what do you tell cops to do whan encountering an aggressive pit bull?

picture of a hammer

That's non-responsive to my question. What do you teach officers to do if they encounter an aggressive pit bull while doing their job?


Use common sense- if there's an aggressive dog in the yard, then the suspects probably not there, so search elsewhere.
 
2012-10-01 08:03:48 PM

fredklein: Use common sense- if there's an aggressive dog in the yard, then the suspects probably not there, so search elsewhere.


Do you seriously think the cops went into the backyard knowing there was a pitbull there?
 
2012-10-01 08:25:56 PM

kosherkow: Lligeret: As a dog lover, dog owner, and general police hater, I am siding with the cops on this one.

If you have a trained guard dog ALWAYS ALWAYS have signs (if you have any dog except something puntable you should have signs too, but having a trained guard dog and not having signs is completely stupid).


But hey what do I know about violent dogs I onl ...

Thinking signs would have prevented this is just plain stupid.

did you watch the video and see that the fence was of the chain link type and about 4 ft tall...? There was no critical thought to look prior to entering.

/maybe we should take their guns and give them dog whistles instead...



Ok so I went back and watched the video and stand by my statement even more.
-There were multiple yards with fences up. I doubt they all contain dogs in them.
-The vast majority of the backyard is not visible from the entrance to the yard, but it does have a convenient path along the side of a house that would be easy to maneuver a bike back through.
-There is no evidence from the front of the house that there is a dog there.
-The officer walked around the corner and ran into the dog pretty much immediately.
-From this point the reaction of the dog is up to how it was trained. Some are trained to do no more than intimidate. Some are trained to not chase if someone leaves or does not advance anymore. Some are trained to bite.


Point stands signs may not have saved the dog, but at least the owner made an effort and would have a right to be outraged. As it stands the guy is lucky that the dog did not maul the officer because then he would be in a heap load of trouble.

Officer did his job, it is a sad incident but the blame does not fall squarely on the police. A $1 sign may have saved that dogs life, it may not have but it would have at given the owner an opportunity to recoup some of what they lost as blame would have fallen squarely on the police.

I will say it again the signs are not there to tell your neighbors you have a big bad dog, they are not there to tell would be robbers that you have a big bad dog, they are their to tell authorities that you have a big bad dog and it would be in everyone's best interest to knock on your door rather than have this happen or have an officer get mauled.
 
2012-10-01 08:50:10 PM

CruiserTwelve: fredklein: Use common sense- if there's an aggressive dog in the yard, then the suspects probably not there, so search elsewhere.

Do you seriously think the cops went into the backyard knowing there was a pitbull there?


No, but they seriously stayed and shot the dog instead of retreating.
 
2012-10-01 09:45:27 PM

fredklein: No, but they seriously stayed and shot the dog instead of retreating.


I didn't know you were there.
 
2012-10-01 10:22:01 PM

CruiserTwelve: BuckTurgidson: So, for encounters with dogs, do they teach you heroes anything other than, "immediately fill it with bullets"?

Yes, they teach us to stand there and get gnawed on. If you're a training officer, what do you tell cops to do whan encountering an aggressive pit bull?


I tell them to piss their undies then summarily execute - by emptying at least one mag into - the tail-wagging spaniel that was greeting them.

Since generally the cops are way ahead of me on that, I tell them to come back for my Fantasy Fiction Creative Writing seminar to learn how to fill out the report.
 
2012-10-01 10:36:45 PM

BuckTurgidson: I tell them to piss their undies then summarily execute - by emptying at least one mag into - the tail-wagging spaniel that was greeting them.

Since generally the cops are way ahead of me on that, I tell them to come back for my Fantasy Fiction Creative Writing seminar to learn how to fill out the report.


Kinda like the creative writing you used in your answer? I asked about an aggressive pit bull and you turned it into a tail-wagging spaniel that was greeting them.
 
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