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(NYPost)   The keys to NYC on eBay for $150, or better yet just send the posted image to your 3D printer   (nypost.com) divider line 96
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2012-09-30 06:13:43 PM
Yeah, those parking meter keys Subby was selling back in high school didn't work either.

/or so I've heard
//one born every minute
 
2012-09-30 06:17:02 PM
3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-09-30 06:18:05 PM
Actually, you'd be astonished at the types of keys alarm technicians have, and what they have access to.

I used to work for an alarm company in SoCal and I was just routinely astonished at all the havoc people could wreak if they chose to. Phone guys have a lot of access too- I would know because when the town I worked in got flooded last year, we had to deal with their shiatty work for months. Egregiously, I had people come back and disable alarm lines without saying a word to the homeowner or business owner, but thankfully we'd get a call because their alarms would tell them they had no dial tone and couldn't report in.

Don't even get me started on installer codes for alarm systems :\
 
2012-09-30 06:19:25 PM
keys shmeez. i have an auction up for the Port Authority starting at $49. it's a money maker but we're moving to FLA so i have to give it up.
 
2012-09-30 06:19:41 PM
Nothing that uses keys like that is really any more secure than your sister's diary.

cn1.kaboodle.com
 
2012-09-30 06:21:54 PM
Cool, buy it with this.

z.about.com
 
2012-09-30 06:24:41 PM
FTFA: The NYPD says buying or selling official keys could be a crime - possession of burglar's tools, a misdemeanor punishable by up to one year in prison.

"It depends on the situation," said an official at One Police Plaza.

"Are the keys stolen? If you use them, that could be possession of burglar's tools, but you have to have intent to commit a crime. Just opening something with a key could be considered trespassing. But the real crime would be if you gain access to an area where you're not supposed to be. That could be burglary."



Yet apparently they bought and tested them:


FTFA: Ferraris sold an undercover Post reporter the key-collection ring after posting his wares on eBay under the user name "thesixlever."

Total cost: $149.95.

He agreed to hand them off at his home in Union City, just minutes from the Lincoln Tunnel, saying the keys "probably still work, but don't try to use them." He asked no questions.

Most of the keys did, in fact, work.



Hmm...
 
2012-09-30 06:28:03 PM
So, now that the New York Post included an image of the keys (assuming those are the real things), what's to keep terrorists from reverse engineering their own versions from that picture?

Unless that's out of the realm of possibility... Is it?
 
2012-09-30 06:28:09 PM

CJHardin: Cool, buy it with this.

[z.about.com image 363x282]


I should buy the keys with a baby? He does look like a pedophile but I'm pretty sure that's not a fair trade.
 
2012-09-30 06:28:41 PM

Fell In Love With a Chair: Actually, you'd be astonished at the types of keys alarm technicians have, and what they have access to.

I used to work for an alarm company in SoCal and I was just routinely astonished at all the havoc people could wreak if they chose to. Phone guys have a lot of access too- I would know because when the town I worked in got flooded last year, we had to deal with their shiatty work for months. Egregiously, I had people come back and disable alarm lines without saying a word to the homeowner or business owner, but thankfully we'd get a call because their alarms would tell them they had no dial tone and couldn't report in.

Don't even get me started on installer codes for alarm systems :\


As a guy who did work as a locksmith and installer/tech for military arms rooms and industrial security systems, I'd tell you that a lock is only good to keep honest people out.
 
2012-09-30 06:29:11 PM
Submitter really has a point, regarding posting the unblurred picture being pretty hypocritical on the NY Post's oh-so-concerned part
 
2012-09-30 06:29:18 PM
Judging by the looks of some of those keys those locks weren't really all that effective. That first one looks just like a bump key.
 
2012-09-30 06:29:34 PM
i302.photobucket.com


/wish i'd gotten hold of them, not gonna lie
 
2012-09-30 06:30:22 PM
So, a set of entirely legal to own, legal to sell items were sold on eBay! Oh, noes!

We should feel terror because someone with a set of keys could seriously inconvenience some folks? Really?
 
2012-09-30 06:32:19 PM

Jon iz teh kewl: [3.bp.blogspot.com image 400x300]


simpsonswiki.net

I would think this would be a more appropriate picture
 
2012-09-30 06:33:36 PM

Naxter: CJHardin: Cool, buy it with this.

[z.about.com image 363x282]

I should buy the keys with a baby? He does look like a pedophile but I'm pretty sure that's not a fair trade.


While looking like a pedo, I always thought this specimen was a she.
 
2012-09-30 06:33:50 PM

ThatBillmanGuy: So, now that the New York Post included an image of the keys (assuming those are the real things), what's to keep terrorists from reverse engineering their own versions from that picture?

Unless that's out of the realm of possibility... Is it?


My locksmith cut a key for my car in a parking lot by looking at the tip of it hanging out from under a coat on my seat. Didn't take much longer than having one copied.
 
2012-09-30 06:34:18 PM

FormlessOne: So, a set of entirely legal to own, legal to sell items were sold on eBay! Oh, noes!

We should feel terror because someone with a set of keys could seriously inconvenience some folks? Really?


This. Also, I had NO idea that a set of keys constitute "burglar tools".
 
2012-09-30 06:34:29 PM

balisane: [i302.photobucket.com image 750x600]


/wish i'd gotten hold of them, not gonna lie


But what would you do with them? Reprogram traffic lights? Alter the operation of an elevator? Just doesn't seem like there's any value in this stuff for the non-criminal.
 
2012-09-30 06:34:56 PM
Not saying that any schmoe can do it, but identifying marks such as key number, design & cuts are pretty visible. Someone with a hand cutter and access to blanks could make dupes based on that photo.
 
2012-09-30 06:36:14 PM

CJHardin: Fell In Love With a Chair: Actually, you'd be astonished at the types of keys alarm technicians have, and what they have access to.

I used to work for an alarm company in SoCal and I was just routinely astonished at all the havoc people could wreak if they chose to. Phone guys have a lot of access too- I would know because when the town I worked in got flooded last year, we had to deal with their shiatty work for months. Egregiously, I had people come back and disable alarm lines without saying a word to the homeowner or business owner, but thankfully we'd get a call because their alarms would tell them they had no dial tone and couldn't report in.

Don't even get me started on installer codes for alarm systems :\

As a guy who did work as a locksmith and installer/tech for military arms rooms and industrial security systems, I'd tell you that a lock is only good to keep honest people out.


This this THIS! Or to piss me the fark off. I've drilled out the lock on my own fair share of alarm panels.
 
2012-09-30 06:36:28 PM

BoxOfBees: balisane: [i302.photobucket.com image 750x600]


/wish i'd gotten hold of them, not gonna lie

But what would you do with them? Reprogram traffic lights? Alter the operation of an elevator? Just doesn't seem like there's any value in this stuff for the non-criminal.


Some mischief i would imagine. I used to have all sorts of fun with just a sprinkler head key...
www.krain.com
 
2012-09-30 06:38:20 PM

hodge-podge: Not saying that any schmoe can do it, but identifying marks such as key number, design & cuts are pretty visible. Someone with a hand cutter and access to blanks could make dupes based on that photo.


IANAL(ocksmith), but I would think that a decent locksmith has access to the information necessary to make one of these keys without this photo. amirite?
 
2012-09-30 06:38:35 PM

ArkAngel: Jon iz teh kewl: [3.bp.blogspot.com image 400x300]

[simpsonswiki.net image 250x186]

I would think this would be a more appropriate picture


greenlandiswaytoobig.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-09-30 06:39:43 PM
The traffic signal key is only good for getting into the 'police door' on the control box, where you can change the operation from automatic to four-way flashing red. Some have pushbutton controllers on a coiled cord in the compartment where you can put the lights on manual and use the controller to step through the sequence.

Not much mayhem to be derived from that.
 
2012-09-30 06:41:13 PM

BoxOfBees: balisane: [i302.photobucket.com image 750x600]


/wish i'd gotten hold of them, not gonna lie

But what would you do with them? Reprogram traffic lights? Alter the operation of an elevator? Just doesn't seem like there's any value in this stuff for the non-criminal.


If I could program the lights on my commute so that I could hit each light green every day, that would be worth the price.
 
2012-09-30 06:44:15 PM

Tellingthem: BoxOfBees: balisane: [i302.photobucket.com image 750x600]


/wish i'd gotten hold of them, not gonna lie

But what would you do with them? Reprogram traffic lights? Alter the operation of an elevator? Just doesn't seem like there's any value in this stuff for the non-criminal.

Some mischief i would imagine. I used to have all sorts of fun with just a sprinkler head key...
[www.krain.com image 302x255]



Actually, i was just thinking that an elevator key would be really damn convenient for helping friends move in and out. Sometimes people can be jerkwads about the elevator when you're trying to haul out a couch.

Also, there are all sorts of long-abandoned municipal and subway locks and doors that i'd love to clamber into and take pictures of, for no other reason than they're friggin' locked and i can't get in. It's total cat-and-the-closed-box syndrome.
 
2012-09-30 06:46:39 PM
The article read more like a 'OMG...this can kill us all everyone panic!!!' article more than anything of actual use. It reminds me of those late night news stories like "Is your microwave safe? This young mother of two thought it was until it killed her. Are you safe? See how your microwave can kill you!" that they advertise on commercial breaks to scare you into watching only to find out that after news, sports, weather that the microwave can kill you if you are dumb enough to shower with it.
 
2012-09-30 06:47:42 PM
Worried about nightmare scenarios? Then don't post them in a farking newspaper!
 
2012-09-30 06:48:04 PM

balisane: Tellingthem: BoxOfBees: balisane: [i302.photobucket.com image 750x600]


/wish i'd gotten hold of them, not gonna lie

But what would you do with them? Reprogram traffic lights? Alter the operation of an elevator? Just doesn't seem like there's any value in this stuff for the non-criminal.

Some mischief i would imagine. I used to have all sorts of fun with just a sprinkler head key...
[www.krain.com image 302x255]


Actually, i was just thinking that an elevator key would be really damn convenient for helping friends move in and out. Sometimes people can be jerkwads about the elevator when you're trying to haul out a couch.

Also, there are all sorts of long-abandoned municipal and subway locks and doors that i'd love to clamber into and take pictures of, for no other reason than they're friggin' locked and i can't get in. It's total cat-and-the-closed-box syndrome.


Man i used to love doing that. I used to break into all sorts of places to scope 'em out and take pictures. But all that was years ago and i am a perfect little angel now...
 
2012-09-30 06:48:34 PM

balisane: It's total cat-and-the-closed-box syndrome.


www.spaceandmotion.com
"Hey, leave me out of this."
 
2012-09-30 06:50:55 PM
Send him to Gitmo and waterboard the f*ck out of him.
 
2012-09-30 06:54:01 PM

BoxOfBees: hodge-podge: Not saying that any schmoe can do it, but identifying marks such as key number, design & cuts are pretty visible. Someone with a hand cutter and access to blanks could make dupes based on that photo.

IANAL(ocksmith), but I would think that a decent locksmith has access to the information necessary to make one of these keys without this photo. amirite?


Yes they could, but I would hope they wouldn't since they're bonded to stay on the good side of the law.
I used to cut keys for years, so going off my own experiences. Was offered bribes now and then.
 
2012-09-30 06:54:21 PM

Kumana Wanalaia: Send him to Gitmo and waterboardwakeboard the f*ck out of him.

 
 
2012-09-30 06:55:17 PM
Most of the keys shown can, in fact, be duplicated with the information available in that photo.

Working at a GM dealership, I became very familiar with that type of tumbler lock. The keys GM used for most of the last century had six pins with five possible cut depths for each one. Knowing that, it was easy to look at a key for two seconds, identify the blank (by stamped letter) and "read" its cuts, then cut a perfect match with a key-punching tool. (We used punching tools because they made perfect original keys instead of trying to duplicate a worn key... and we could make replacement keys without having the original by looking up the OEM key code).

I kept the key codes for my various General Motors cars on a card in my wallet. I could walk up to any GM parts counter and asked them to "punch out 135432 on a C blank." They would usually do it for free, because just knowing the terminology identified me as a fellow dealership guy.

Similarly, anyone can look at those keys and punch out duplicates on the same blanks. Using locksmith punching tools, they don't need to worry about being off by a millimeter or so on any of the grooves: it'll be a perfect copy.
 
2012-09-30 06:57:28 PM

JesseL: Nothing that uses keys like that is really any more secure than your sister's diary.


Or telling me "Fark Rye stay out of my room ok? You can't go in there. And you can't read my diary."

Especially when she left it just inside the door for a week.

And then she catches me and yells at me?
 
2012-09-30 07:04:45 PM
i218.photobucket.com

With this little baby you can get into most paper towel dispensers IN THE WORLD. Think of the damage you could do.

One million bitcoins and it's yours as long as you aren't a cop.
 
2012-09-30 07:11:01 PM

PainInTheASP: [i218.photobucket.com image 400x284]

With this little baby you can get into most paper towel dispensers IN THE WORLD. Think of the damage you could do.

One million bitcoins and it's yours as long as you aren't a cop.


The man in the hat has blown a gasket.
 
2012-09-30 07:14:22 PM
I enjoyed how the article identified the vendor's id and then gave a pretty detailed description of his location. Hey, pal, maybe a smidgen less detail would slow down the ne'er do wells. Just a suggestion.
 
2012-09-30 07:15:57 PM
My locksmith has been around for like 120 years. I am pretty sure they have master keys to 3/4 the larger buildings in my city. I know for a fact they have a key that opens around 5-10k apartments because they gave me a copy of it.
 
2012-09-30 07:21:11 PM
www.dedleg.com

can open all locks
 
2012-09-30 07:22:02 PM
With just a few lines of computer code, Moriarty can unlock any vault, open any door...

/doofus!
//ordinary Sherlock
 
2012-09-30 07:31:46 PM
The keys include the all-purpose "1620," a master firefighter key that with one turn could trap thousands of people in a skyscraper by sending all the elevators to the lobby and out of service, according to two FDNY sources.

TIL skyscrapers in New York have no stairs.
 
2012-09-30 07:32:45 PM

Fell In Love With a Chair: Actually, you'd be astonished at the types of keys alarm technicians have, and what they have access to.

I used to work for an alarm company in SoCal and I was just routinely astonished at all the havoc people could wreak if they chose to. Phone guys have a lot of access too- I would know because when the town I worked in got flooded last year, we had to deal with their shiatty work for months. Egregiously, I had people come back and disable alarm lines without saying a word to the homeowner or business owner, but thankfully we'd get a call because their alarms would tell them they had no dial tone and couldn't report in.

Don't even get me started on installer codes for alarm systems :\


The 2135 key that opens the old Wells Fargo SMT and some Motorola station cabinets also works on some M&M vending machines.

Or so I'm told.

I have a pretty good collection. Ademco, Silent Knight, Potter, Wells Fargo, Conrac, Arrowhead, Firelite, Mirtone, FBI, MDI, GE, E.F. Johnson, Motorola. I thiink I even have an old wind up key for the Potter McCulloh fire alarm stuff (WFTRA, PIT, OSY) around here somwhere. 

//Old school alarm guy (Smith Detective Agency & Nightwatch Service AKA Smith Alarm Systems - Dallas)
 
2012-09-30 07:39:35 PM
Well if I was an electrician, a fireman, or a traffic control officer I'm sure I would have one of these

www.lockbumping.org 

www.lockpicks.com 

www.msvu.ca
 
2012-09-30 07:43:15 PM

Fell In Love With a Chair: Actually, you'd be astonished at the types of keys alarm technicians have, and what they have access to.

I used to work for an alarm company in SoCal and I was just routinely astonished at all the havoc people could wreak if they chose to. Phone guys have a lot of access too- I would know because when the town I worked in got flooded last year, we had to deal with their shiatty work for months. Egregiously, I had people come back and disable alarm lines without saying a word to the homeowner or business owner, but thankfully we'd get a call because their alarms would tell them they had no dial tone and couldn't report in.

Don't even get me started on installer codes for alarm systems :\


I have a key for Motorola UHF/VHF radio cabinets that, with a little bit of wiggling, also fits the "Fire Department" key in about 90% of the elevators in the US. Not that I've actually used it...really...I swear.

And don't get me started on telephone techs. In my years, I've had a dozen calls about down T1 circuits only to discover that some chuckhead needed a pair to run another line, so they'd walk down the punchblock until they found a pair with no dialtone (but for some reason it would still have -48V battery), so they'd steal the pair for the line they're putting in.
 
2012-09-30 07:44:06 PM

ThatBillmanGuy: So, now that the New York Post included an image of the keys (assuming those are the real things), what's to keep terrorists from reverse engineering their own versions from that picture?

Unless that's out of the realm of possibility... Is it?


Do you need to see both sides to make a copy?
nicedeb.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-09-30 07:49:29 PM
Well, the simple solution is to change the locks. It's as if the locksmiths in NYC weren't getting enough business, so one of them who was chronically depressed or ill or feels just desperate has gone and forced the whole town to change its locks, for the good of the industry.
 
2012-09-30 07:50:45 PM
...Well, the good of the industry and the terrifying threat to everyone else in the city, of course. So much for business ethics!
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2012-09-30 07:53:15 PM
Emergency use only locks should be programmed to sound an alarm when opened. If you need emergency and non-emergency access try to use separate locks for separate purposes. Locks can be wired together in a logical AND condition (like Christmas tree lights in series). I recently saw a picture of an ranch road access gate in Texas. It had a dozen or so padlocks in it. Opening any one of the locks allowed access.

When the fire alarm went off in a building I used to work in I seized my chance to use the alarmed emergency exit stairwell I had always wanted to see. The alarm went off, but who cares? It was an emergency. (The stairwell was boring.)
 
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