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2012-09-30 10:49:18 PM

Tourney3p0: kyrg:

the Libyan embassy attack etc. if any of these event occurred under a Republican administration the press would be foaming at the mouth for answers

Didn't this happen, disastrously/hilariously depending on which side of the fence you're sitting on?


Yup, and he conveniently forgets all the months of GOP ass kissing the media did in the lead up to the wars. Nary a mention of that, like the media would have ever said anything bad about Bush in the first place. After the 2008 meltdown they were still sucking Bush's diack and no one ever blamed him for anything. In fact, it was Wall Street's fault, or so the media said. It wasn't until public opinion turned against Bush that some media outlets started to go with that angle. His post was just more false equivalences that the wing nuts do.
 
2012-09-30 10:50:31 PM

St Andrew: Obama, Democrats got 88 percent of 2008 contributions by TV network execs, writers, reporters



What is your point exactly? In 2008 anyone with half a brain cell realized another 4 years of Bush would have been horrible.

Why don't you go find research breaking down contributions to House and Senate races rather than one single Presidential race.
 
2012-09-30 10:51:00 PM

kyrg: Ambivalence: An that, my friends, is an encapsulation of everything wrong wtih the republican party. They believe something to be true and seek evidence to support that believe, rather than collect evidence and THEN form a conclusion.

Of course there are endless examples of press bias, but here's the most recent one. This week had the 2000th death in Afghanistan and barely a mention in the press. The 2000th death in Iraq had a weeks worth of coverage. Same tragedy different president.
Other examples are; Fast and furious, solindra, stiffing Israel, the Libyan embassy attack etc. if any of these event occurred under a Republican administration the press would be foaming at the mouth for answers and employ teams of fact checkers to parse every word of any response and you know it if you are honest with yourself.


All kinds of derp, there. I'll just ask about one of them. How are we "stiffing" Israel?
 
2012-09-30 10:51:40 PM

intelligent comment below: St Andrew: Obama, Democrats got 88 percent of 2008 contributions by TV network execs, writers, reporters


What is your point exactly? In 2008 anyone with half a brain cell realized another 4 years of Bush would have been horrible.

Why don't you go find research breaking down contributions to House and Senate races rather than one single Presidential race.



Also I should add just because someone supports a candidate doesn't mean they can't do their job being objective. Since nobody here supporting the Republican propaganda can actually post facts that back up more negative stories about Republicans, they are just flat out lying.
 
2012-09-30 10:52:14 PM

Lionel Mandrake: kyrg: Ambivalence: An that, my friends, is an encapsulation of everything wrong wtih the republican party. They believe something to be true and seek evidence to support that believe, rather than collect evidence and THEN form a conclusion.

Of course there are endless examples of press bias, but here's the most recent one. This week had the 2000th death in Afghanistan and barely a mention in the press. The 2000th death in Iraq had a weeks worth of coverage. Same tragedy different president.
Other examples are; Fast and furious, solindra, stiffing Israel, the Libyan embassy attack etc. if any of these event occurred under a Republican administration the press would be foaming at the mouth for answers and employ teams of fact checkers to parse every word of any response and you know it if you are honest with yourself.

All kinds of derp, there. I'll just ask about one of them. How are we "stiffing" Israel?


By not agreeing 100% with Bibi.

Since Obama doesn't have blind faith in Bibi and what he's doing, that means Obama's stiffing Israel.

It makes sense if you don't think about it.
 
2012-09-30 10:52:54 PM

kyrg: Same tragedy different president.



And remember when the liberal media refused to bring up opposition to the Iraq war? Yeah those damn liberals in the media beating the drums for war in the Bush administration. They were so biased against conservatives!
 
2012-09-30 10:53:42 PM

Mrtraveler01: Animatronik: And freezing some programs while debt continues to balloon doesn't count as 'spending cuts' either. Obama failed the gut check and needs to go home to Chicago.

The gullibility of the liberal media when it comes to the federal budget is unbelievable. Whoever gets elected next, I hope we get dome folks withe half a brain who are actually allowed to speak to these issues in the media.

Tell me in all honesty.

Do you think we can balance the budget by cutting taxes, cutting spending in some programs (the ones the GOP doesn't like), but keeping spending levels in other programs (like DOD) the same or spend even more on Defense?

Do you really think this is a fiscally sound policy? 

I await your response.


I'd be in favor of tax increases accompanied by massive spending cuts, e.g. 5 to 10 dollars cut for each dollar in tax increase.

The problem is that Democrat serve up shiat on a shingle for spending cuts, so they can't credibly ask for tax increases. They're looking to continue passing the buck to the next generation, using tax increases to bolster the welfare state for another 5-10 years, while our credit rating drops.

we need precipitous action on this, we need it yesterday, because the bonds are going to dry up the way they did for cities, counties (and Greece). Obama and the Democrats aregoing to fark the credit rating of the United States.

Many economists know this,but they're not talking much and the press isn't asking much.
 
2012-09-30 10:55:47 PM

Animatronik: I'd be in favor of tax increases accompanied by massive spending cuts, e.g. 5 to 10 dollars cut for each dollar in tax increase.


Most sensible people would agree with that.

Animatronik: The problem is that Democrat serve up shiat on a shingle for spending cuts, so they can't credibly ask for tax increases. They're looking to continue passing the buck to the next generation, using tax increases to bolster the welfare state for another 5-10 years, while our credit rating drops.


And meanwhile the Republicans are doing the same with the Defense budget but yet you're not whining about that as much for some reason.
 
2012-09-30 11:01:19 PM

Lionel Mandrake: All kinds of derp, there. I'll just ask about one of them. How are we "stiffing" Israel?


Have you seen their female soldiers? Who the hell wouldn't want to "stiff" Israel?

/Trust me, if you like hot women, do a GIS for "Israeli army women"
 
2012-09-30 11:01:42 PM

Animatronik: The problem is that Democrat serve up shiat on a shingle for spending cuts



Sounds like someone never read the 0bama budget


Animatronik: Many economists know this,but they're not talking much and the press isn't asking much.



Because in a bad economy the last thing you do is drastically cut spending. See Europe for how that goes. Interest rates are still at record lows, now is the time to stimulate the economy by not cutting spending but increasing taxes and have a 2-4 year plan to start reducing spending
 
2012-09-30 11:05:36 PM
monopolistic corporations are always so bleeding heart
 
2012-09-30 11:06:11 PM

Animatronik: The problem is that Democrat serve up shiat on a shingle for spending cuts, so they can't credibly ask for tax increases. They're looking to continue passing the buck to the next generation, using tax increases to bolster the welfare state for another 5-10 years, while our credit rating drops.


I'm sure the Democrats would be more than happy to talk to you about cutting welfare for Defense contractors. You couldn't possibly be referring to cutting social programs during the worst economic slowdown since the Great Depression, because only an asshole would want to do that.

Oh, and the House Republicans were responsible for the last credit downgrade.
 
2012-09-30 11:07:48 PM

Teufelaffe: Lionel Mandrake: All kinds of derp, there. I'll just ask about one of them. How are we "stiffing" Israel?

Have you seen their female soldiers? Who the hell wouldn't want to "stiff" Israel?

/Trust me, if you like hot women, do a GIS for "Israeli army women"


I've spilled almost as much genetic material over Israeli soldierettes as I have for Indian actresses.

/or, pictures of them, anyway...unfortunately
 
2012-09-30 11:10:00 PM

Lionel Mandrake: All kinds of derp, there. I'll just ask about one of them. How are we "stiffing" Israel?


Obama has repeatedly refused to gargle Netanyahu's balls on national TV.
 
2012-09-30 11:11:57 PM

0Icky0: Lionel Mandrake: All kinds of derp, there. I'll just ask about one of them. How are we "stiffing" Israel?

Obama has repeatedly refused to gargle Netanyahu's balls on national TV.


He did cup then gently on HBO, though.
 
2012-09-30 11:12:24 PM

Animatronik: neenerist: Animatronik: Which reality are you talking about.... we don't have 16 trillion in national debt, and the welfare state isn't crashing down due to unsustainable spending committments????

Obama didn't rack up 16 trillion and the welfare state overload in four years. Remember Bush? Few Republicans do apparently, integrity and loyalty are outmoded weaknesses.

You're right! He racked up 6 TRILLION in 3 YEARS.
But I wasn't even referring to the new debt that he and the Democratic Congress racked up. i was talking about the abject failure of any liberal news outlet to focus on these issues.


If you're running with he $6 Trillion figure then you're counting a budget passed before Obama became President and signed into law by his predecessor.

That aside:

TWAT: Approx 150 billion/year
Expansion in non-TWAT defense budget 2000-2008: approx. 250 billion/year
Medicare Part D: approx 70 billion/year
Bush tax cuts: approx 200 billion/year

Those account for about half the deficit, and the GOP has fought tooth and nail against every effort to reign in any of those budget busters.
 
2012-09-30 11:14:51 PM

Mitt Romneys Tax Return: 0Icky0: Lionel Mandrake: All kinds of derp, there. I'll just ask about one of them. How are we "stiffing" Israel?

Obama has repeatedly refused to gargle Netanyahu's balls on national TV.

He did cup then gently on HBO, though.


What a classic episode of Taxicab Confessions.
 
2012-09-30 11:17:16 PM

ultraholland: Derp not for whom the hurr durrs.


I... I love this post so hard.

<3
 
2012-09-30 11:17:35 PM
I like how the subhuman ratfarkers rightists who control essentially the entirety mass media are also the ones who complain about how it's biased against them.
 
2012-09-30 11:19:38 PM

kyrg: if any of these event occurred under a Republican administration the press would be foaming at the mouth for answers


4.bp.blogspot.com

Yeah, the media was sooooooooo foaming at the mouth back then. Just ask the Dixie Chicks.
 
2012-09-30 11:20:01 PM

0Icky0: Lionel Mandrake: All kinds of derp, there. I'll just ask about one of them. How are we "stiffing" Israel?

Obama has repeatedly refused to gargle Netanyahu's balls on national TV.


Pfft...typical Kenyan Muslim...
 
2012-09-30 11:23:29 PM

Mugato: contrapunctus: Fox's bias is evident in the omission and or highlighting of specific news stories. As is MSNBC's. You can rest assured that both of those networks pander to their respective audiences in subtle and overt ways,

Even if that were equally true of both Fox News and MSNBC and that's a dubious conclusion at best, no one watches MSNBC and everyone watched Fox News so how is there the liberal bias that the right is constantly crying and biatching and moaning about?


I'll tell you why it matters.

The right-wing has successfully built their platform upon a foundation of lies, distortions, and selective "journalism". While I understand the natural desire to fight fire with fire, the bottom line is that it is incumbent upon all of us to simply be better than them, even if it means perhaps occasionally losing in the short term. To truly fight the right-wing's de-evolution to irrationality, you need to commit yourself to logic, thoughtfulness, and dispassionate analysis of facts.

The right-wing has built an audience that wants a pigfight. They want liberals who will scream back at them because it reinforces the caricatures of liberalism that Fox, Limbaugh, Boortz, and the rest of the quasi-fascist buffoons have spent 20+ years building. What they don't want is an educated, logical rebuttal to their ridiculous claims. Ever watch the way Bill Moyers calmly and rationally handled a Foxnews goon who tried to ambush him? It's masterful:

Billy Moyers vs Foxnews

Note how the Foxnews creep ends up slinking away like the beaten jackal he is. He didn't get a usable soundbite from Moyers. He didn't get a video of Moyers flipping out. He didn't get the very ammunition from Moyers that Foxnews expressly sent him there to retrieve, because Moyers knows damn well the game that these people play.

You ask me why I find MSNBC as repulsive as Foxnews? Because I find Fox's methods as distasteful as their message, and using the same sick methodology they do only reinforces this modern notion that politics always needs to be two adults screaming at each other like first-graders. The coarsening of the discourse itself is as much of a problem as the hard-right tack this country has undergone for the past 2 decades. Every night Olbermann ran with his childish (and painfully unfunny) "Worst Person in the World" schtick was a night he validated every stereotype about progressives that the right-wing echo chamber had planted into the minds of the gullible in our society.
 
2012-09-30 11:29:12 PM
Unfortunately, some of the media has an unfair bias towards sanity...
 
2012-09-30 11:33:55 PM

draa: heavymetal: Now because the term as been so over used, screaming "liberal media bias" just doesn't resonate with the swing voter like it did even 10 years ago.

The internet is the GOP's worst nightmare. They could lie their asses off, and have for decades, now they actually have to back up the bullshiat that they spew. Unfortunately for them, as it's been pointed out many times in this thread, facts have a liberal bias. And so does the internet it seems. And shrooms. Let's not forget shrooms.


The recent right wing attack on fact checkers and their failed attempt at conservative "opinion" based "fact checking" is showing their frustration with it. It reminds me of a nature documentary where an animal's built in defense mechanism is useless against the animal attacking it. Despite not working, it is all the animal knows how to do so it continues as it is being devoured by the preditor.
 
2012-09-30 11:34:01 PM

contrapunctus: Ever watch the way Bill Moyers calmly and rationally handled a Foxnews goon who tried to ambush him? It's masterful:

Billy Moyers vs Foxnews


Did you meant to link to the red band trailer for God Bless America? Because that's what you did.
 
2012-09-30 11:35:41 PM

heavymetal: It reminds me of a nature documentary where an animal's built in defense mechanism is useless against the animal attacking it. Despite not working, it is all the animal knows how to do so it continues as it is being devoured by the preditor.


Great, thanks for that. Now I have visions of Romney and Ryan squirting ink out their asses at reporters who keep asking them for details of what they plan to do for the country should they be elected.
 
2012-09-30 11:37:33 PM

Teufelaffe: contrapunctus: Ever watch the way Bill Moyers calmly and rationally handled a Foxnews goon who tried to ambush him? It's masterful:

Billy Moyers vs Foxnews

Did you meant to link to the red band trailer for God Bless America? Because that's what you did.


D'oh!
 
2012-09-30 11:38:15 PM

Teufelaffe: heavymetal: It reminds me of a nature documentary where an animal's built in defense mechanism is useless against the animal attacking it. Despite not working, it is all the animal knows how to do so it continues as it is being devoured by the preditor.

Great, thanks for that. Now I have visions of Romney and Ryan squirting ink out their asses at reporters who keep asking them for details of what they plan to do for the country should they be elected.


Great, thanks for that. Now I have apple cider in my nose.
 
2012-09-30 11:40:42 PM

Teufelaffe: Great, thanks for that. Now I have visions of Romney and Ryan squirting ink out their asses at reporters who keep asking them for details of what they plan to do for the country should they be elected.


Thanks for sharing, now I'm giggling like a schoolgirl.
 
2012-09-30 11:52:59 PM

The Evil That Lies In The Hearts Of Men: He is using religious terminology, language used and accepted by the religious right, to turn this into an issue of faith and opinion rather than facts.


Phatic communication?
 
2012-09-30 11:54:38 PM

towatchoverme: One of these words just doesn't belong. One of these words is not like the others


It's probably being used as a phatic signal to his fellow Randroids, alluding to Ayn Rand's Objectivism.
 
2012-09-30 11:58:19 PM

Lionel Mandrake: All kinds of derp, there. I'll just ask about one of them. How are we "stiffing" Israel?


This.
We've been sucking their dick.
Hell Obama's been their little pet on the Iran issue, all the supposed bluster between him and Netanyahu aside.
 
2012-10-01 12:00:40 AM
A liberal media bias is the most erroneous propaganda put forth by conservatives.

There are outlets in the media for both liberal and conservative viewpoints. Facts have no bias.

If there is one single bias across the media spectrum it is a bias in favor of Corporate hegemony.

\the one media outlet clearly in bias is am radio -and if I have to spell out who the bias favors, you arent worth conversing worth.
 
2012-10-01 12:03:09 AM

Animatronik: Mrtraveler01: Animatronik: And freezing some programs while debt continues to balloon doesn't count as 'spending cuts' either. Obama failed the gut check and needs to go home to Chicago.

The gullibility of the liberal media when it comes to the federal budget is unbelievable. Whoever gets elected next, I hope we get dome folks withe half a brain who are actually allowed to speak to these issues in the media.

Tell me in all honesty.

Do you think we can balance the budget by cutting taxes, cutting spending in some programs (the ones the GOP doesn't like), but keeping spending levels in other programs (like DOD) the same or spend even more on Defense?

Do you really think this is a fiscally sound policy? 

I await your response.

I'd be in favor of tax increases accompanied by massive spending cuts, e.g. 5 to 10 dollars cut for each dollar in tax increase.

The problem is that Democrat serve up shiat on a shingle for spending cuts, so they can't credibly ask for tax increases. They're looking to continue passing the buck to the next generation, using tax increases to bolster the welfare state for another 5-10 years, while our credit rating drops.

we need precipitous action on this, we need it yesterday, because the bonds are going to dry up the way they did for cities, counties (and Greece). Obama and the Democrats aregoing to fark the credit rating of the United States.

Many economists know this,but they're not talking much and the press isn't asking much.


I could eat alphabet soup and shiat a better argument than that.
 
2012-10-01 12:03:21 AM
Please allow me to say... this is the absolute best thread I have ever read on Fark. So many have contributed so much. The intelligence, clarity, reasoning and rationale with which you have presented the facts is quite frankly... overwhelming - not to mention - most encouraging. This thread has been much more than a pleasure to read - it's been an honor. I am humbled and grateful to be in your presence.

Thank you all. Sincerely.
 
2012-10-01 12:09:14 AM

winterbraid: Teufelaffe: heavymetal: It reminds me of a nature documentary where an animal's built in defense mechanism is useless against the animal attacking it. Despite not working, it is all the animal knows how to do so it continues as it is being devoured by the preditor.

Great, thanks for that. Now I have visions of Romney and Ryan squirting ink out their asses at reporters who keep asking them for details of what they plan to do for the country should they be elected.

Great, thanks for that. Now I have apple cider in my nose.


Iced tea in mine.
 
2012-10-01 12:14:37 AM

joonyer: Animatronik: Mrtraveler01: Animatronik: And freezing some programs while debt continues to balloon doesn't count as 'spending cuts' either. Obama failed the gut check and needs to go home to Chicago.

The gullibility of the liberal media when it comes to the federal budget is unbelievable. Whoever gets elected next, I hope we get dome folks withe half a brain who are actually allowed to speak to these issues in the media.

Tell me in all honesty.

Do you think we can balance the budget by cutting taxes, cutting spending in some programs (the ones the GOP doesn't like), but keeping spending levels in other programs (like DOD) the same or spend even more on Defense?

Do you really think this is a fiscally sound policy? 

I await your response.

I'd be in favor of tax increases accompanied by massive spending cuts, e.g. 5 to 10 dollars cut for each dollar in tax increase.

The problem is that Democrat serve up shiat on a shingle for spending cuts, so they can't credibly ask for tax increases. They're looking to continue passing the buck to the next generation, using tax increases to bolster the welfare state for another 5-10 years, while our credit rating drops.

we need precipitous action on this, we need it yesterday, because the bonds are going to dry up the way they did for cities, counties (and Greece). Obama and the Democrats aregoing to fark the credit rating of the United States.

Many economists know this,but they're not talking much and the press isn't asking much.

I could eat alphabet soup and shiat a better argument than that.


I am SO stealing that line.
 
2012-10-01 12:15:33 AM

Somacandra: Actually, you can tell different forms of bias from analyzing which sources get utilized and where stories are placed.


If you really want to have some fun, track any given story as it passes through the YourSmallTown Gazette, AP, WashPo, Guardian, nyt, etc. There will be subtle differences in each one. There's your bias.
 
2012-10-01 12:22:07 AM
i.imgur.com
 
2012-10-01 12:29:27 AM
That's because knowledge is ultimately a liberating condition. An advantageous condition.
The legitimate media, taken as a conglomeration of employees everywhere, tend to amass lots of facts about lots of things, facts that can help those who work in that "biased liberal" business to see outside the narrow spectrum of provincial, illogical or religiously fundamentalist views that limits the vision of some of their viewers or readers.
Such as Mr. Ryan.
Combine that with a sense of compassion, even empathy, and voila, you have what I happen to believe is a more rational, more pleasant way of dealing with the world.
 
2012-10-01 12:52:26 AM

kyrg: Ambivalence: An that, my friends, is an encapsulation of everything wrong wtih the republican party. They believe something to be true and seek evidence to support that believe, rather than collect evidence and THEN form a conclusion.

Of course there are endless examples of press bias, but here's the most recent one. This week had the 2000th death in Afghanistan and barely a mention in the press. The 2000th death in Iraq had a weeks worth of coverage. Same tragedy different president.
Other examples are; Fast and furious, solindra, stiffing Israel, the Libyan embassy attack etc. if any of these event occurred under a Republican administration the press would be foaming at the mouth for answers and employ teams of fact checkers to parse every word of any response and you know it if you are honest with yourself.


You mean like when the media united against Bush after 9/11, or do you mean how after that colossal intelligence failure, how they constantly questioned whether there was really evidence of WMDs in Iraq during the run up to war?
 
2012-10-01 01:07:45 AM
I'd just like to point out that 538 gives Obama an 85% chance of winning on Nov 6, and a 98.4% chance of winning right now.

Imagine how many EVs Obama would get if the media was just competent enough to fact check, let alone being biased towards Obama.
 
2012-10-01 01:15:24 AM

sithon: reality has a liberal bias .



This "media bias" bs is becoming tiresome. The reality is that outrageous statements, accusations, assumptions, character assasinations, and general fear-mongering, which are the bread and butter of the right, tend to get lots of attention from the media.
 
2012-10-01 01:18:35 AM

Mrtraveler01: Animatronik: I know another way to cut that debt that is better for the economy that most economists think is much better but almost all Democrats can't verbalize: CUT SPENDING.

I'd love that too. But the alternative to the Democrats think that it makes fiscal sense to cut taxes and then cut spending in some parts while raising spending in others *cough cough* Defense *cough*.

Until we realize that we need to cut spending AND raise taxes, I won't take anything the GOP says seriously. Until the GOP gets past the fantasy that they can balance the budget on tax cuts and spending cuts, then the budget gap isn't going anywhere.

Anyone with basic Math skills knows this and yet no one in charge in DC seems to know it.


The other part of the problem is, and anyone even remotely conscious should realize it, that any spending cuts, certainly of the kind that are being mooted by both the Dems and Reps, simply CANNOT take place for several years. There's no way to do it that wouldn't kill the entire government and bankrupt the whole country. The 2013 budgets are made and allocated right now. The 2014 budgets are already in committee. Presidents have tried and failed before to "cut spending" the first year of their administration (almost said "rule") and it just can't be done.

By way of analogy, imagine you are a single-income family that realizes it is spending too much, has too much debt, and must trim your budget. Suddenly stopping spending means that NOTHING gets paid, your family doesn't eat, your house gets foreclosed on, your kids go without. So you have to ramp down your spending and determine what needs to get paid today (like utilities and groceries), what can wait a little while but not long (like your mortgage) and what you can postpone (like credit cards). Even then it will take you a while to figure out how to spend less on groceries and the power bill. But you can't just say "Let's stop spending till we have enough to pay all the bills."

America is in the same situation, just with a bigger budget. Chopping billions of dollars out of the schools, the military, healthcare--it's all been tried and failed miserably. Spending drops for a little while, and then creeps back up again. If we really want to trim the budget and cut the deficit, Presidents need to stop saying "I'll cut spending!" and people need to stop expecting it. It will take several administrations to ramp spending down like it's been ramped up over the last 60 years. The sooner people realize and accept it, the quicker it would happen; which means it probably never will.
 
2012-10-01 01:22:14 AM
So when they offered Paul Ryan the position as VP candidate, did they just snicker as they realized he would be out on his ass and looking for work in January? Because I can't really see him doing anything past this, even if he manages to squeak out a win for his old House seat. The man imploded shortly after the State of the Union address, and pretty much just made himself look like an obnoxious asshole at every opportunity afterwards.
 
2012-10-01 01:28:34 AM

Animatronik: Obama didn't rack up 16 trillion and the welfare state overload in four years. Remember Bush? Few Republicans do apparently, integrity and loyalty are outmoded weaknesses.

You're right! He racked up 6 TRILLION in 3 YEARS.
But I wasn't even referring to the new debt that he and the Democratic Congress racked up. i was talking about the abject failure of any liberal news outlet to focus on these issues.


And where was your concern and the concern of the obviously conservative news outlets when Bush was racking up 5.5 trillion in debt of his own?

The pretending act you do, that nothing bad ever happened until there was a guy you didn't like to blame it on, is why you and yours have zero credibility in this debate.
 
2012-10-01 01:35:53 AM

joonyer: I could eat alphabet soup and shiat a better argument than that.


Aaaaaaaand favorited.

/This thread is so full of poe that my sarcasm meter broken beyond all hope of recalibration.
 
2012-10-01 01:36:18 AM

Guntram Shatterhand: So when they offered Paul Ryan the position as VP candidate, did they just snicker as they realized he would be out on his ass and looking for work in January? Because I can't really see him doing anything past this, even if he manages to squeak out a win for his old House seat. The man imploded shortly after the State of the Union address, and pretty much just made himself look like an obnoxious asshole at every opportunity afterwards.


Also his crown jewel accomplishment, the Ryan Budget, has been thouroughly discredited nationally.
 
2012-10-01 01:42:38 AM

demaL-demaL-yeH: joonyer: I could eat alphabet soup and shiat a better argument than that.

Aaaaaaaand favorited.

/This thread is so full of poe that my sarcasm meter broken beyond all hope of recalibration.


I am so nonplussed, that I accidentally the whole copula.
 
2012-10-01 01:57:23 AM
This would be a fair fight if only our blessed corporations and job creators had media access.
 
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