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2012-09-30 06:17:49 PM  

Jim_Callahan: As a conservative person, I believe that the media is biased toward creating a coherent narrative with heroes, villains, and excitement, because the audience could not give less of a fark about storytelling reflecting the fundamental chaos of actual society and history and thus the news shows' bottom line is undercut by actual quality reporting.

Though, that said, some of this is a result of the historical cycle we're going through, and it happens anytime there's a major shift in the news industry that increases the competition for advertising dollars significantly. When printing technology made it so that any jackass with five bucks to spare could publish a newspaper, the resulting cut-throat business bullshiat gave us the newspaper wars and yellow journalism. Eventually that calmed down and, through regulation and the simple fact that some business models undeniably won, we got a more dispassionate and informative media with shiat like professional standards again.

We're just in the competition part of the cycle, now, where every dumbass with an internet connection is potentially considered legit so all the media companies have to undermine each other constantly and convince you that they and only they are truly informing you. Once people get a handle on things and some news formats/sources are considered consistently legit and others (*coughtwittercough*) aren't by an overwhelming majority of the public, the remaining players will have to convince _everyone_ and not just a target audience again and we'll be back to non-shiat news.

In the meantime, buckle down and learn to emotionally deal with the political impact of being in the "you provide the pictures, I'll provide the war" part of the industry cycle, and maybe take comfort (assuming you're relatively conservative) that it's currently hurting the radical candidate with the party that's trying to tear down the old order a lot more than the consumate professional that's strong on defense and fiscally cons ...


Well said. Especially that about the media needing a narrative structure.
 
2012-09-30 06:18:24 PM  
This coming from a guy whose side has the largest coordinated media machine the US has seen in a long, long time.

The sheer volume of AM radio personalities who shrill extreme right-wing propaganda.

They have hordes of paid pundits who make the circuit on all the shows, all pushing the spin-de-jour specifically constructed to support a single side (and so they can sell their books...which consistently denigrate the Left for perceived and incorrect ideas).

They have a VAST media empire whose sole purpose is to push a narrative specific to a single party.

And THEY are the victims? THEY are the ones who are being objective?

No...your side is corrupted with money and influence, Ryan. Your side shills for the money that is being lavished on them. They talk about "freedom" and "oppressive government"...but their real motive is to stifle the first, and create a boogeyman out of the second...all for the profit of a few.

We are objective...we don't buy your shiat.
 
2012-09-30 06:18:31 PM  

MyRandomName: Here, a liberal pollster from the Carter/Biden campaigns.


Lie #1

A guy who left the Democratic party in the 80's and who writes for Breitbart and Fox News among others is not a "liberal"

But that shows your bias. Anyone who has at any time been a Democrat is obviously a flaming liberal


MyRandomName: He destroys your bullshiat view that the Media isn't in the bag for Obama. He includes a plethora of examples for you to read. But knowing the fark left, since it's fox news they'll dismiss it. Then I'll laugh my ass off when I point out this is merely the transcript of his speech. Even with me pointing this last part out, I bet I get at least one Faux News DERRRP reply.



How did he destroy any argument? He went off bizarre tangents like being outraged the secret service were allegedly protecting a staffer.

He cites a poll of Florida voters who are all so worried about Iran. Okay, and? Good for them. Why does the media have to listen to what Florida voters think and make their coverage 100% about the "threat" of Iran?

He then writes in a FOX NEWS article about a "polarized justice department" LOL

I also love how 90% of his citations and numbers have no actual citations and sources themselves. Except the opinion polls, he sure loves those.

And then for his closing act, he complains of biased polling to make 0bama look better. Shocking, shocking revelation. With no actual facts, he just hates how 0bama could possibly be in the lead and it must because of bad polling. I'm sure he quoted a Rasmussen poll too as proof he is right.

See this is all you have, half assed pathetic shills writing nonsense and claiming it as fact. And you uneducated idiots eat it all up.
 
2012-09-30 06:20:01 PM  

LordJiro: I won't mock you for using a Fox News opinion piece. Too obvious. But I will mock you because you cited Patrick farking Caddell. Patrick "Bush apologist, anti-environmentalist, constantly whines about Democrats" Caddell. Seriously.

Oh, and also, he worked on New Coke. His credibility on ANYTHING is precisely dick.



The best part is he claimed Caddell is a liberal pollster
 
2012-09-30 06:20:30 PM  
No such thing as a liberal media. It was a myth then:

Rich Bond, then chair of the Republican Party, explained during the 1992 election, "There is some strategy to [bashing the 'liberal' media]. . . . If you watch any great coach, what they try to do is 'work the refs.' Maybe the ref will cut you a little slack on the next one."
http://www.utne.com/2003-07-01/Myth-of-the-Liberal-Media.aspx

The Freedom Forum's poll that "proves" a majority of reporters were for Clinton rather than Bush is bogus. They rigged it so they got the answer they wanted.
http://www.consortiumnews.com/archive/story21.html

"I admit it," Bill Kristol told The New Yorker in 1995. "The whole idea of the 'liberal media' was often used as an excuse by conservatives for conservative failures."
http://www.thenation.com/doc/20000313/alterman

www.howardsmead.com

In 2000, newspaper publishers preferred Bush over Gore by 3 to 1.
http://www.consortiumnews.com/2002/123102a.html

The study published in 2005 claiming liberal bias is also bogus. It too was rigged to get the desired results.
http://itre.cis.upenn.edu/~myl/languagelog/archives/001169.html

Lapdogs: How the Press Rolled Over for Bush
http://www.nieman.harvard.edu/reportsitem.aspx?id=100353

thinkprogress.org

The "liberals" at CBS News cover for McCain (July 2008)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zYaXr03vtNE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDIAsS9VXiM&feature=related

And it's a myth now:

The Myth of Pro-Obama Media Bias
http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=3612

thinkprogress.org

Newt Gingrich made more appearances on Meet the Press than any other individual in 2009. The actual speaker of the House, Nancy Pelosi, did not appear once on the show in 2009.
http://www.thenation.com/doc/20100201/alterman

MSM's conservative bias
http://pewresearch.org/pubs/1634/media-coverage-health-care-reform-de b ate-review

Political campaign coverage openly rightwing
www.journalism.org

The MSM is siding with Romney over Obama.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/04/23/media-favored-romney - over-obama-during-gop-primaries-study.html
http://www.journalism.org/analysis_report/romney_report
 
2012-09-30 06:21:23 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: Of course the press is biased towards the left. That is what makes the 2010 shellacking even more of a mandate against the failed policies of the left.
Sibelius violates the Hatch Act and the media yawns...so that gives her the green light to do it again.
The administration lies about what happened in Libya and the media yawns, so they keep lying about what really happened.
The press makes a big deal of the 2,000 death in Iraq, but says nothing of that milestone in Afghanistan.


You sound like you need a diaper, a binky and a huge dose of reality.
 
2012-09-30 06:21:38 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: Of course the press is biased towards the left. That is what makes the 2010 shellacking even more of a mandate against the failed policies of the left.


Which resulted in a congress whose mission statement was "Make Obama a one term President", resulting in everything they are now blaming Obama for not fixing.

The administration lies about what happened in Libya and the media yawns, so they keep lying about what really happened.

You guys can keep repeating that talking point, it's not going to make it true.

The press makes a big deal of the 2,000 death in Iraq, but says nothing of that milestone in Afghanistan.

...then you heard about it because you were what, personally there? The press didn't cover it? What does that even mean?

The press has done nothing but coddle Romney through all his comically ridiculous lies and idiocy, all in an attempt to make this a close race. This "liberal media" cliche. no one buys it anymore.
 
2012-09-30 06:21:52 PM  

MyRandomName: Even liberals pollsters are taking notice of the Media "corruption" in this race.


Is that going to be Pat Caddell?

*clicks link*

Yep. Pat Caddell. The same Pat Caddell that called for Obama to drop out in 2008. The same Pat Caddell that suggested that Obama should resign in 2010. The same Pat Caddell who said that the only way the democrats could win would be for Obama to resign or be primaried by Clinton in 2012. The same Pat Caddell that has suggested the only way Obama can succeed is to adopt wholesale the GOP agenda.

That guy is totally unbiased! I wonder how liberal David Horowitz feels?
 
2012-09-30 06:23:32 PM  
Believed AND Felt. This guy's got a lot backing him up.
 
2012-09-30 06:23:38 PM  

Jim_Callahan: As a conservative person, I believe that the media is biased toward creating a coherent narrative with heroes, villains, and excitement, because the audience could not give less of a fark about storytelling reflecting the fundamental chaos of actual society and history and thus the news shows' bottom line is undercut by actual quality reporting.

Though, that said, some of this is a result of the historical cycle we're going through, and it happens anytime there's a major shift in the news industry that increases the competition for advertising dollars significantly. When printing technology made it so that any jackass with five bucks to spare could publish a newspaper, the resulting cut-throat business bullshiat gave us the newspaper wars and yellow journalism. Eventually that calmed down and, through regulation and the simple fact that some business models undeniably won, we got a more dispassionate and informative media with shiat like professional standards again.

We're just in the competition part of the cycle, now, where every dumbass with an internet connection is potentially considered legit so all the media companies have to undermine each other constantly and convince you that they and only they are truly informing you. Once people get a handle on things and some news formats/sources are considered consistently legit and others (*coughtwittercough*) aren't by an overwhelming majority of the public, the remaining players will have to convince _everyone_ and not just a target audience again and we'll be back to non-shiat news.

In the meantime, buckle down and learn to emotionally deal with the political impact of being in the "you provide the pictures, I'll provide the war" part of the industry cycle, and maybe take comfort (assuming you're relatively conservative) that it's currently hurting the radical candidate with the party that's trying to tear down the old order a lot more than the consumate professional that's strong on defense and fiscally cons ...


Well said.

tenpoundsofcheese: Of course the press is biased towards the left. That is what makes the 2010 shellacking even more of a mandate against the failed policies of the left.
Sibelius violates the Hatch Act and the media yawns...so that gives her the green light to do it again.
The administration lies about what happened in Libya and the media yawns, so they keep lying about what really happened.
The press makes a big deal of the 2,000 death in Iraq, but says nothing of that milestone in Afghanistan.


I know you're not looking for credibility, but if you want to be taken seriously EVER, try to follow the style of Mr. Callahan.

He presents his opinion in a thoughtful, mature way that really makes me want to hear his opinion.

You stamp your feet like a 5 year old and scream that the boogeyman is real. You're a joke, literally.
 
2012-09-30 06:24:23 PM  

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Sadly that explains it perfectly. The media is indeed biased, biased to be a corporate whore willing to do anything for ratings. They have always leaned conservative and refuse to give any positive coverage of protest movements like OWS or anti-war, only the Tea Party received such wonderful coverage from the "liberal biased" media.


You try to tell that to any Tea Partiers and they will answer you it is the opposite.
 
2012-09-30 06:25:05 PM  

Ambivalence: An that, my friends, is an encapsulation of everything wrong with the republican party. They believe something to be true and seek evidence to support that believe, rather than collect evidence and THEN form a conclusion.


Shoot first then aim!
 
2012-09-30 06:25:29 PM  
Damn right.
The media is very conservatively biased due to our media being owned by a handful of corporations whose main agenda is profit and that our only two mainstream political choices are far right/fascist (R) and centre-right/conservative which are beholden to the monetary donations of the same handful of corporations' profits. There is a very significant lack of left wing or civil libertarian views in electoral politics and in the media.
If you're suggesting the media has a liberal bias, tell me what it's like to live outside of the USA or stop smoking so much meth.
 
2012-09-30 06:25:29 PM  
Certainly the media is biased, but what Ryan (and Romney) don't understand is that they are biased towards their own business. They are in it to make money. They make money by selling ads (either in print, tv ads, etc), and they do that better the more readers/viewers they have. So they are going to do whatever they can to get as many followers as possible. What that meant is that early in the campaign, they'd have been more than willing to shill for Romney, because as the underdog, they'd have gotten more followers if they'd have been able to keep claiming it's a "tight race". Unfortunately for the Republicans, the sheer number of missteps that their campaign has generated has given the media an even bigger story to run with - the Republicans are incompetent. That trumps a "tight race" story any day. So is it going to appear as if the media is "against" the Romney/Ryan campaign? Certainly. And that's because they are giving the media a much higher percentage of "we're dumbasses" stories to go with. If Obama was doing so, they'd be happy to run with those stories, as they'd sell newspapers/tv ads too.
 
2012-09-30 06:25:40 PM  
The Right lost the ability to differentiate between rational and rationalizations. Those who haven't are now biased.
"Believe me, not your senses."
 
2012-09-30 06:26:13 PM  
No Con wants to hear this, but the disconnect between what the Media says is reality and what Cons say is reality is completely to be laid at their feet. The Cons have elevated to positions of opinion and truth maker in their party a bunch of trollistic, antagonistic, nihilistic, bomb-throwers who makes it their bread-and-butter to throw out the most incendiary and bombastic statements of opinion regarding Liberals and to force the party leaders to adopt them.

Rush, Coulter, Malkin, O'Reilly, all these millionaires who feed at the trough of hyper-partisan rhetoric have convinced your party members that Obama, a pretty centrist president, is some sort of anti-Christ, communist, bent on the destruction on the country.

The media has been repelled by your rank and file because they demand that the MSM report on bullshiat, made-up, controversies like fake birth certificates, Obama's communist upbringing and his secret ties to a cabal of shadowy businessmen who employ him to destroy the American dream. And when the MSM refuses, your rank and file flee to Fox news, the lupus of news, to get their fix of hyper-partisan, anti-democrat rhetoric. The Republicans are a bunch of junkies, addicted to the trollish out-pourings of hate and demanding and needing more and more outlandish lies to sustain their hate. It's quite remarkable. The right now believes that if a news report doesn't resemble the spew of a Fark independent troll post, it's hiding the truth.

You guys really need to get your house in order, because, if Nate Silver correctly predicts 49 out of the 50 states again this election, while you all believe Romney's going to carry all the states but NY and Cali, the Republican party will be relegated to the party of crackpots, cranks, and marginally intelligent. It may already be too late.
 
2012-09-30 06:27:33 PM  

nyseattitude: tenpoundsofcheese: Of course the press is biased towards the left. That is what makes the 2010 shellacking even more of a mandate against the failed policies of the left.
Sibelius violates the Hatch Act and the media yawns...so that gives her the green light to do it again.
The administration lies about what happened in Libya and the media yawns, so they keep lying about what really happened.
The press makes a big deal of the 2,000 death in Iraq, but says nothing of that milestone in Afghanistan.

You sound like you need a diaper, a binky and a huge dose of reality.


He was watching Glenn Beck and had a funny feeling accident on his binky. Binky needs a bath now.
 
2012-09-30 06:28:42 PM  

Mugato: .then you heard about it because you were what, personally there? The press didn't cover it? What does that even mean?


I always like that particular talking point. "Why is the media silent on this event that I'm reading about in the New York Times?"
 
2012-09-30 06:30:17 PM  

nyseattitude: tenpoundsofcheese: Of course the press is biased towards the left. That is what makes the 2010 shellacking even more of a mandate against the failed policies of the left.
Sibelius violates the Hatch Act and the media yawns...so that gives her the green light to do it again.
The administration lies about what happened in Libya and the media yawns, so they keep lying about what really happened.
The press makes a big deal of the 2,000 death in Iraq, but says nothing of that milestone in Afghanistan.

You sound like you need a diaper, a binky and a huge dose of reality.


That was just on the news right now. (That about the 2000 death count in Afghanistan) Does 10lbsofhorseshiat think he's somehow privy to amazing intel that nobody else has but him? And that therefore it proves the media is liberally biased?

Oh, and the report I just saw made it seem like kind of a big deal. Just another conservative standing on a mound of dead soldiers to trash the left.
 
2012-09-30 06:30:50 PM  

BSABSVR: Mugato: .then you heard about it because you were what, personally there? The press didn't cover it? What does that even mean?

I always like that particular talking point. "Why is the media silent on this event that I'm reading about in the New York Times?"


Just a few days ago there was a thread about how the left wing media was reporting on Obama gaffes which was linked to an article on CNBC about Obama's gaffes.
 
2012-09-30 06:31:02 PM  
I've known many conservatives. Most think 3 inches is long.
 
2012-09-30 06:32:31 PM  
Ryan also accused the media of having a liberal disposition.

"I think it kind of goes without saying that there's definitely a media bias. We've - look, I'm a conservative person, I'm used to media bias. We expected media bias going into this," said Ryan.

Asked to cite a specific example of media bias, Ryan demurred, instead asserting that most people who work in the media have liberal political affiliations and, therefore, would want a president who is a Democrat to win.

"I'm not going to go into a tit-for-tat or litigate this thing," said Ryan. "But as a conservative, I've long believed and long felt that there is inherent media bias. And I think anybody with objectivity would believe that that's the case."


So when asked to give an example of "liberal media bias" he wasn't able to.

I wish I could be surprised that Ryan basically admitted that he pulled it out of his ass, but that's what makes him so popular with the right.
 
2012-09-30 06:33:55 PM  
But at the end of the day, the choice is really clear, and we're giving people a very clear choice."

Yeah. Obama. Thanks for clearing that up.
 
2012-09-30 06:33:55 PM  

nyseattitude: You sound like you need a diaper, a binky and a huge dose of reality.


10lbs is starting to sound like a contractor hired by a liberal lobby group to make conservatives look ridiculous, and the contract runs out in seven weeks.
 
2012-09-30 06:33:57 PM  

LordJiro: The headline is accurate. There IS inherent media bias.

What ISN'T accurate is the implication that the media is biased in favor of liberals. They're biased towards whatever gets them profit and ratings.


Which seems to boil down to a bias towards stupidity.
 
2012-09-30 06:36:01 PM  

sithon: reality has a liberal bias .


I'd like to repeat this to Mr. Ryan's face.
 
2012-09-30 06:36:40 PM  

Snapper Carr: Except it's not tracking political ads but actual new stories from an allegedly unbiased (if you believe them) or even pro-Obama (if you believe the RWNM) biased media.


Yeah, I know. CNN and MSNBC would report what candidates said and most of it was negative Obama stuff.

Ex: Bachmann calls Obama a banana, MSNBC reports that Michele Bachmann called Obama a banana. The negative Obama report gets another check mark in the box. If the media was truly unbiased, they wouldn't report every time every single damn time a conservative says something derpy.
 
2012-09-30 06:38:27 PM  

MyRandomName: LOL, please link these plethora of studies. I would love to see your study after study showing the news is right wing.


Hey man, just turn on the TV.
You seem to believe that the media is going balls out for a conservative politician anyway.
And the link right below your OP pretty much disproves your bullshiat.
 
2012-09-30 06:41:12 PM  
Asked to cite a specific example of media bias, Ryan demurred, instead asserting that most people who work in the media have liberal political affiliations and, therefore, would want a president who is a Democrat to win.

Kinda of funny how that works...

Oh well, it's yet one more thing that the Romney campaign can't provide ay details on. I guess it's really just the Romney/Ryan S.O.P.
 
2012-09-30 06:42:05 PM  

ultraholland: I'd say that the preponderance of bullshiat right-wing talking points (BirTH CirtiFiCT, etc.) floating around from day to day are enough evidence that the media is at the very least not liberally/left biased.


This.
It's like the media is so stuck on "the truth is in the middle" for the sake of getting ratings/debate or not hurting the feelings of religious fundamentalists/lying fascists that they don't just immediately dismiss bullshiat as bullshiat.
Compare the birther shiat to what would happen if a Democratic politician was to go on TV and declare "Mitt Romney is ineligible to be president because he was born on Mars."
 
2012-09-30 06:42:24 PM  
So Ryan thinks it's biased that someone leaked a video of what Romney says when he thinks that what he's about to say will stay in the room. I think that it's much more telling of who a candidate is as a person (or anyone for that matter) when you can observe how they behave when the think they are anonymous or if they believe their actions won't be made public. The fact that Ryan is crying liberal media bias when a leaked video gets aired is disgusting. It is the job of the media to shine the light.
 
2012-09-30 06:43:06 PM  
But when it comes to Fox and the GOP it's media by ass. Amirite?
 
2012-09-30 06:43:58 PM  
Obviously, I disagree. CNN is pretty unbiased in my opinion, and that's why I watch it--because I want the news, not an ideological interpretation of it. If I want right wing opinion, I watch Fox. If I want a left wing interpretation, I watch MSNBC. If I just want the news, I watch CNN.

Think about it this way: Fox News is obviously to the right of CNN, is it not? And MSNBC is obviously to the left of CNN. Isn't it reasonable to conclude that with Fox to the right and MSNBC to the left, CNN represents a moderate, middle-of-the-road political opinion, insofar as it represents any opinion at all (frankly I tend to avoid the CNN opinion pieces, but at least, unlike Fox, they present their editorial views as opinions, not as news)? Only an ideologue would interpret this situation as "Fox presents the news from a right wing perspective, CNN from a left wing perspective and MSNBC from a really left wing perspective." That just doesn't make sense. You'd have to be both stupid and paranoid to believe that. Really, really stupid and really, really paranoid.
 
2012-09-30 06:46:59 PM  
I almost feel bad for conservatives. It's like there's some weird misfiring in their brain that makes them project their own insecurities at all times, since "being a conservative" is so tied into their idea of themselves. Paul Ryan would never be able to separate his politics from a job requiring him to be objective, therefore nobody can. Not even possible. He can't even conceive of a person able to separate politics from work. That's kind of scary.
 
2012-09-30 06:47:05 PM  

m2313: MyRandomName: LOL, please link these plethora of studies. I would love to see your study after study showing the news is right wing.

Hey man, just turn on the TV.
You seem to believe that the media is going balls out for a conservative politician anyway.
And the link right below your OP pretty much disproves your bullshiat.


you are right, i don't hear anything in the MSM about 0bama's muslim background or his falsified SS number, birth certificates, none of his college papers, or one peep about frank marshall davis. But sure as god made little green peas, they're talking about Romney's privacy being invaded and showing what may be a doctored tape talking about the 47% who don't have any skin in the game.
 
2012-09-30 06:47:27 PM  
I think that whichever party has the worst ideas will always complain about "media bias".

Right now a common trait of liberalism is to examine reality and govern based on what we observe to be the best outcome[1][2], . Conservativism on the other hand tends to simply cling on to the idea that "we shouldn't change anything ever because the old ways are best".

Right now actual facts and figures prove liberalism to be the more correct viewpoint of the two. Is it perfect? Hell no. But every day we are on this planet we learn new things about it and how people should interact with the world. We want to stop burning hydrocarbon-based fuels because we have evidence that doing so is going to screw up the environment. We support gay rights because there's evidence that gay marriage has no detrimental effects to society and we support civil rights. We are generally anti-war because nobody post-WW2 can come up with a compelling reason to attack a foreign country. We are pro-regulation because every economic history lesson since the beginning of the Industrial Revolution shows us that corporations have figured out ingenious ways to avoid liability for things that would get single people arrested, all the while profiting tremendously from other people's misery. We have evidence of all of these things and that our beliefs are, if not the 100% correct solution, then at least better than what we are currently doing.

So when the news media goes out and reports that the economy actually did get better after the bailouts, or that global warming is happening, or any number of openly visible things that reinforce views that liberals believe, conservatives tend to melt down and go into denial mode. "That news isn't fair because it makes my views look wrong". No, it's simple observation. As Bill Nye once said "If I agreed with you, we'd both be wrong". Many things in the planet are simply not up for debate. If you expect that the news report that the sky is green simply because that's what you believe, then of course you're going to claim that the news has a bias. But it doesn't change the fact that they're not biased, and you're wrong.


[1] - Yes I am fully aware that there are knee-jerk liberals who do not do this and want to change things simply for the sake of changing things. They are not the majority.
[2] - Also, we don't do this with gun control for some reason. Actual empirical evidence from countries such as Switzerland shows that if a populace is given proper arms training, gun control is practically unnecessary. Though I think gun control as a liberal issue is slowly dying out. I for one do not care. I don't own a gun nor do I care to, but don't really have a problem with other people owning them.
 
2012-09-30 06:47:40 PM  

Snapper Carr: Except it's not tracking political ads but actual new stories from an allegedly unbiased (if you believe them) or even pro-Obama (if you believe the RWNM) biased media.


Just so we're clear, I agree with your original point that the bias is not liberal, it is conservative. But I'm pointing out that part of the bias is due to the media reporting conservative WHARRGARBL as news. Conservatives make a lot of WHARRGARBL and the media reports a lot of it. Nothing with real substance.
 
2012-09-30 06:48:14 PM  
i47.tinypic.com

even the hardest core fark conservatives don't believe it.
 
2012-09-30 06:48:20 PM  

Tymast: m2313: MyRandomName: LOL, please link these plethora of studies. I would love to see your study after study showing the news is right wing.

Hey man, just turn on the TV.
You seem to believe that the media is going balls out for a conservative politician anyway.
And the link right below your OP pretty much disproves your bullshiat.

you are right, i don't hear anything in the MSM about 0bama's muslim background or his falsified SS number, birth certificates, none of his college papers, or one peep about frank marshall davis. But sure as god made little green peas, they're talking about Romney's privacy being invaded and showing what may be a doctored tape talking about the 47% who don't have any skin in the game.


9/10

Subtle.
 
2012-09-30 06:48:41 PM  

red230: So Ryan thinks it's biased that someone leaked a video of what Romney says when he thinks that what he's about to say will stay in the room. I think that it's much more telling of who a candidate is as a person (or anyone for that matter) when you can observe how they behave when the think they are anonymous or if they believe their actions won't be made public. The fact that Ryan is crying liberal media bias when a leaked video gets aired is disgusting. It is the job of the media to shine the light.


It's not even like he was talking in front of a mirror, he was speaking to a room full of (admittedly like minded) guests.

The truly damning evidence isn't what he said but that he was so stupid as to not take into account that someone with a camera could be in there shooting. To me, having a President who has contempt for half the populace isn't as bad as a President who doesn't have the common sense to not say how he really feels when someone could be rollng.
 
2012-09-30 06:53:07 PM  

Mugato: red230: So Ryan thinks it's biased that someone leaked a video of what Romney says when he thinks that what he's about to say will stay in the room. I think that it's much more telling of who a candidate is as a person (or anyone for that matter) when you can observe how they behave when the think they are anonymous or if they believe their actions won't be made public. The fact that Ryan is crying liberal media bias when a leaked video gets aired is disgusting. It is the job of the media to shine the light.

It's not even like he was talking in front of a mirror, he was speaking to a room full of (admittedly like minded) guests.

The truly damning evidence isn't what he said but that he was so stupid as to not take into account that someone with a camera could be in there shooting. To me, having a President who has contempt for half the populace isn't as bad as a President who doesn't have the common sense to not say how he really feels when someone could be rollng.



I'm not so sure about that. I think the new world is still too new for people of Romney's generation. For most of his life video cameras were pretty large and I think it's probably difficult for him to comprehend that within the last 5 years, video cameras have been shrunken down to the size of a cell phone and can now be anywhere.

Look at how bewildered most politicians still are when things explode on the internet.
 
2012-09-30 06:54:38 PM  
Mugato: This "liberal media" cliche. no one buys it anymore.

a fark-ton of people do, unfortunately.
 
2012-09-30 06:54:59 PM  

clambam: hink about it this way: Fox News is obviously to the right of CNN, is it not? And MSNBC is obviously to the left of CNN


I think it's a matter of degrees. I really don't see how MSNBC can be considered nearly as comically partisan as Fox News. Fox News is truly a caricature of "Starship Troopers" proportions. And they're the #1 news show in America. So enough with the liberal media shiat.
 
2012-09-30 06:55:40 PM  

clambam: Think about it this way: Fox News is obviously to the right of CNN, is it not? And MSNBC is obviously to the left of CNN. Isn't it reasonable to conclude that with Fox to the right and MSNBC to the left, CNN represents a moderate, middle-of-the-road political opinion, insofar as it represents any opinion at all (frankly I tend to avoid the CNN opinion pieces, but at least, unlike Fox, they present their editorial views as opinions, not as news)?


The problem with that is that it assumes that the moderate, middle-of-the-road opinion is accurate. That is not always the case, If MSNBC is running a story about how not teaching evolution in Texas is hurting kids coming out of texas' educational system and going into college, and Fox News is running a story about how secular humanists push evolution because they want to devalue the human soul in order to give equal rights to dolphins, the honest thing to do is not to split the difference.
 
2012-09-30 06:56:18 PM  

GhostFish: Rolling context-included video of Romney is not bias. It's reporting.

It's not the media's fault that Romney is so skilled at making an ass out of himself. 

He's a bad candidate. Always has been, always will be. The GOP knew this for years and passed him over more than once.


And he was STILL better than anyone the GOP can run. I always laugh when the polls show the incumbent is polling bad versus "Generic Republican". The problem is that Generic Republican simply doesn't exist. It's a whole party who thinks they're far better than they actually are, and then freak out when people point that out.
 
2012-09-30 06:56:40 PM  
The party of personal responsibility strikes again!
 
2012-09-30 06:56:47 PM  
Well, they don't actually believe any of this. If they can make voters believe that the media is inherently biased, then uninformed voters will dismiss everything the media reports, be it opinion or fact. Their mission is not to inform, it's to reinforce the convictions of people who are generally ignorant...or win over anyone who will vote for whichever politician promises to lower taxes or prevents gay people from getting married.

I can't believe anybody is still shocked by either side's dirty tactics.

/happens to believe both sides suck
//one is incompetent, the other is possibly evil.
 
2012-09-30 06:58:04 PM  

MyRandomName: FlashHarry: Study after study shows that the opposite is in fact true. But then facts have a liberal bias.

LOL, please link these plethora of studies. I would love to see your study after study showing the news is right wing.


i1162.photobucket.com
 
2012-09-30 06:58:20 PM  
And he makes this claim while being interviewed on Fox News, the most unbiased news channel in the US. Laughable or pathetic?
 
2012-09-30 07:00:19 PM  

MyRandomName: FlashHarry: Study after study shows that the opposite is in fact true. But then facts have a liberal bias.

LOL, please link these plethora of studies. I would love to see your study after study showing the news is right wing.



http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2012/05/the-charts-that-s h ould-accompany-all-discussions-of-media-bias/257961/

Checkmate.
 
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