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(National Post)   This "sovereign citizen" wharrgarbl has spread to Canada; well, Alberta anyway   (news.nationalpost.com) divider line 92
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2012-09-30 02:30:29 PM
I was under the impression that Alberta was Canada's equivalent of Michele Bachmann's district.
 
2012-09-30 02:43:05 PM
I thought it would have been Quebec.
 
2012-09-30 03:03:40 PM
Alberta's a beautiful province, but politically they've been getting very scary of late.
 
2012-09-30 03:06:44 PM
I knew Albert was fat but I never knew he was so fat he had citizens.

images.ctvdigital.com
 
2012-09-30 03:10:15 PM
Alberta is Canada's equivalent of Texas.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2012-09-30 03:52:16 PM
A 185 page decision is needlessly long. All that is important is here: He said they have been proven invalid in law and anyone who tries them could get stuck paying court costs.

American federal courts respond to tax protestor arguments by declaring them frivolous and imposing ever-increasing fines.  If you say the 16th amendment was not ratified properly or wages are not income you will have to pay around $5,000 to cover the IRS' or federal prosecutors' legal bill.
 
2012-09-30 03:54:11 PM
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

dumbasses
 
2012-09-30 03:54:47 PM
GOOD LUCK WITH THAT
 
2012-09-30 03:56:56 PM
He argued that "man's law" did not apply to him.

Kind of pointless when you're doing this in a court of law.
 
2012-09-30 04:00:16 PM
These guys need to have "the last arguement of kings" explained to them.

/it involves cannons
 
2012-09-30 04:01:44 PM

MadSkillz: Alberta is Canada's equivalent of Texas.


So, that would make it about as odd as Oregon. ( given how sane the rest of Canada appears to be)
 
2012-09-30 04:02:19 PM

ZAZ: A 185 page decision is needlessly long. All that is important is here: He said they have been proven invalid in law and anyone who tries them could get stuck paying court costs.

American federal courts respond to tax protestor arguments by declaring them frivolous and imposing ever-increasing fines.  If you say the 16th amendment was not ratified properly or wages are not income you will have to pay around $5,000 to cover the IRS' or federal prosecutors' legal bill.


If that ever happens, you wait until the judge has left the bench, then you run up to the bench, announce to all present that the captain has left the ship and award yourself like a million dollars
 
2012-09-30 04:03:48 PM

MadSkillz: Alberta is Canada's equivalent of Texas.


Came here to say THIS.

So I guess I'll go with plan B then...

images.wikia.com

You're doing it wrong!


/Hot like the sands of Arrakis.
 
2012-09-30 04:07:12 PM

BSABSVR: ZAZ: A 185 page decision is needlessly long. All that is important is here: He said they have been proven invalid in law and anyone who tries them could get stuck paying court costs.

American federal courts respond to tax protestor arguments by declaring them frivolous and imposing ever-increasing fines.  If you say the 16th amendment was not ratified properly or wages are not income you will have to pay around $5,000 to cover the IRS' or federal prosecutors' legal bill.

If that ever happens, you wait until the judge has left the bench, then you run up to the bench, announce to all present that the captain has left the ship and award yourself like a million dollars


I would pay to see one of these dipshiats try this.
 
2012-09-30 04:08:51 PM

Forbidden Doughnut: So, that would make it about as odd as Oregon. ( given how sane the rest of Canada appears to be)


The rest of Canada keeps giving power to Stephen Harper, who is Alberta politics personified.

/Ok, with Weeners the post it wasn't really a majority but the rest of the country shouldn't have let his party get more votes than the neorhino or work less parties.
 
2012-09-30 04:14:14 PM

MadSkillz: Alberta is Canada's equivalent of Texas.


Clearly.

i203.photobucket.com
 
2012-09-30 04:14:36 PM
Human law does not apply to you, sir? I guess that's equivalent to saying that you are "out law". OK. We can live with that, Mr. Outlaw. Have a nice time in jail.

Thomas Hobbes would be appalled.
 
2012-09-30 04:15:41 PM

EngineerAU: Ok, with Weeners the post


Haha... Canada's voting system get caught in Fark's content filter.
 
2012-09-30 04:16:21 PM

MadSkillz: Alberta is Canada's equivalent of Texas.


Hardly. The province just elected a socially liberal government focused on improving the education and health care systems. The largest city in the province elected a fairly liberal Muslim mayor (the first Muslim mayor in Canada). The rural areas lean to the right (especially in southern Alberta), but the province as a whole is quite centrist.
 
2012-09-30 04:18:26 PM

effexca: Alberta's a beautiful province, but politically they've been getting very scary of late.


This, just the exact opposite.

Of late, the rulers are more centrist than ever in the province's history.
 
2012-09-30 04:19:16 PM
I remember hearing about "claiming your sovereignty" garbage about 10 years ago in Alberta. I wasn't hooked into the internet back then, so was surprised when I started hearing about this happening in the States.
The 185 page decision isn't just a decision, it is also outlining what these crazy people think and how to deal with them for the rest of Canada's law system. It is pretty impressive and has some great zingers. Here it is online .
Link
He then attempted to provide me with an envelope, presumably containing documents. Mr. Meads said the contents of the envelope had been "filed internationally": a UCC filing, a Canadian filing, a commercial security agreement, an identity bond, "actual and constructive notices", hold harmless and identity agreements, non-negotiable security agreements, an affidavit of his status, a copyright and trade-mark of his name contract, and definitions of the words used in those documents. "UCC" means the "Uniform Commercial Code", which is U.S. commercial legislation.

[27] I refused the envelope, and noted that if the envelope was abandoned then I would put those materials in the garbage.
 
2012-09-30 04:22:58 PM

Forbidden Doughnut: MadSkillz: Alberta is Canada's equivalent of Texas.

So, that would make it about as odd as Oregon. ( given how sane the rest of Canada appears to be)


The funny thing is that we used to get TV from Coeur d'Alene in Calgary. And mountain Washington is weird Washington.

Alberta can be pretty progressive... And then it can be seriously derpy. Depends on who you hang with.
 
2012-09-30 04:23:45 PM
I can't believe that I'm the Weeners this in the thread.

"Sovereign citizen" displaying his genius at a courthouse.
 
2012-09-30 04:23:58 PM

Aidan: Forbidden Doughnut: MadSkillz: Alberta is Canada's equivalent of Texas.

So, that would make it about as odd as Oregon. ( given how sane the rest of Canada appears to be)

The funny thing is that we used to get TV from Coeur d'Alene in Calgary. And mountain Washington is weird Washington.

Alberta can be pretty progressive... And then it can be seriously derpy. Depends on who you hang with.


Oop. My bad, it's in Idaho. Seems the same to me... :)
 
2012-09-30 04:32:26 PM

Bob_Laublaw: MadSkillz: Alberta is Canada's equivalent of Texas.

Clearly.
i203.photobucket.com

 

A group calling themselves "The Republic of Texas" tried the license plate thing a decade or so ago in Texas. Turns out they were from Missouri. Most of them are pushing daisies, others are shacked up with their husbands in prison.
 
2012-09-30 04:32:45 PM

Six-Wings: I can't believe that I'm the Weeners this in the thread.

"Sovereign citizen" displaying his genius at a courthouse.


Six-Wings: I can't believe that I'm the Weeners this in the thread.

"Sovereign citizen" displaying his genius at a courthouse.


That cracks me up.
 
2012-09-30 04:35:19 PM
nationalpostnews.files.wordpress.com

Pax Plasmator. Is that his Fark handle? 

/if not, dibs
 
2012-09-30 04:36:19 PM
...her name is Alberta, she lives in Vancouver...
 
2012-09-30 04:37:17 PM

Aidan: Alberta can be pretty progressive... And then it can be seriously derpy. Depends on who you hang with.


Truth.

I'm trying to think of a province with more than a million people that's consistent within its borders with progressive, centrist thought.

Larger BC centres are incredible diverse and progressive; some areas through the interior aren't often described that way. Montreal is perhaps the most welcoming city in the nation; Anglos and non-French-speaking immigrants outside of that centre may have a differing opinion.

Toronto is an amazingly progressive city; Rob Ford is their mayor.
 
2012-09-30 04:37:48 PM

Bob_Laublaw: Of late, the rulers are more centrist than ever in the province's history.


Outside influence from workers moving there? The couple of people I know who work in the oil sands are lefties but they didn't get that way growing up in Alberta.

/Lots of UBC and Waterloo grads
 
2012-09-30 04:38:26 PM

Six-Wings: I can't believe that I'm the Weeners this in the thread.

"Sovereign citizen" displaying his genius at a courthouse.


Holy f*ck that was awesome!
 
2012-09-30 04:38:29 PM

Six-Wings: I can't believe that I'm the Weeners this in the thread.

"Sovereign citizen" displaying his genius at a courthouse.


Did you catch the Fark thread on that story? Lovely. Just lovely

pictat.com
 
2012-09-30 04:43:59 PM
Outside influence from workers moving there?

Uh, not quite. The majority of folks moving here are roughnecks and labourers landing 70K-a-year jobs with a high-school diploma. I'm not denigrating any of those folks, but if you were to visit the remand centre on the weekend in Fort Mac, the majority of denizens won't be from Alberta:)

The bigger explanation lies in the young population no longer wanting to fight their parents' fights and being a part of the global community.
 
2012-09-30 04:45:26 PM

Ctrl-Alt-Del: Six-Wings: I can't believe that I'm the Weeners this in the thread.

"Sovereign citizen" displaying his genius at a courthouse.

Did you catch the Fark thread on that story? Lovely. Just lovely

[pictat.com image 340x311]


Maybe I'm alone here, but P Barnes was a little too quick to go to the tazer. The camera guy was a douche, but being a douche doesn't get you tazed. Threatening someone or initiating physical conflict gets you tazed. He just whined.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2012-09-30 04:49:20 PM
I read part of Benalto's link and I retract my criticism. The judge appears to be trying to do a service as chronicler of the protest movement and advisor to litigants and courts, and chose to publish his thoughts for free rather than signing a book deal.  I expected more of a rant.
 
2012-09-30 04:55:10 PM

Dafatone: Ctrl-Alt-Del: Six-Wings: I can't believe that I'm the Weeners this in the thread.

"Sovereign citizen" displaying his genius at a courthouse.

Did you catch the Fark thread on that story? Lovely. Just lovely

[pictat.com image 340x311]

Maybe I'm alone here, but P Barnes was a little too quick to go to the tazer. The camera guy was a douche, but being a douche doesn't get you tazed. Threatening someone or initiating physical conflict gets you tazed. He just whined.


He tried to push his way into a courtroom. How is that not initiating physical contact?
 
2012-09-30 04:58:44 PM
ZAP.

/Next?
 
2012-09-30 05:04:54 PM
He tried to push his way into a courtroom.

OOOOOOOHhhhhh, ya don't tug on Superman's cape,
ya don't spit into the wind:)
 
2012-09-30 05:09:04 PM

Bob_Laublaw: He tried to push his way into a courtroom.

OOOOOOOHhhhhh, ya don't tug on Superman's cape,
ya don't spit into the wind:)


In the courthouse where I work, he would have probably gotten shot. Darwin tends to sort out people who act the fool around loaded firearms.
 
2012-09-30 05:19:23 PM
Ctrl-Alt-Del: Six-Wings: I can't believe that I'm the Weeners this in the thread.

"Sovereign citizen" displaying his genius at a courthouse.

Did you catch the Fark thread on that story? Lovely. Just lovely

pictat.com



Link to Fark thread for whoever needs it -- What happens when a Freeper goes to court? He finds out his internet arguments don't work IRL
 
2012-09-30 05:25:51 PM
They believe we're all sovereign citizens yet they've formed their own police force. They deny the normal police the right to have power over them but they think they can have power over someone else? I guess becoming a sovereign citizen means making oneself immune to cognitive dissonance.

The sovereign citizens are scary crazy.
 
2012-09-30 05:34:12 PM
I don't comment that often, but each time I see a thread about Alberta, I feel the need to defend my province.

No, we are not a bunch of hicks. Our provincial government is Progressive Conservative, very centrist. My own city, Calgary, has a great mayor who, although he eschews the left/right spectrum, could be considered 'liberal' in the sense that he is extremely intelligent and moral. He also happens to be Muslim.

Yes, we have oil. And yes, we a lot of rural ridings, so sometimes our politics lean a bit right because of that, but overall, we are a great province that cares for our people and our fellow Canadians, despite what a few crazies will have you believe.
 
2012-09-30 05:36:22 PM

Ctrl-Alt-Del: Six-Wings: I can't believe that I'm the Weeners this in the thread.

"Sovereign citizen" displaying his genius at a courthouse.

Did you catch the Fark thread on that story? Lovely. Just lovely

[pictat.com image 340x311]


I did catch that thread! It took a bit of willpower not to howl in laughter in the middle of the library, though.
 
2012-09-30 05:38:37 PM
www.superturbodiesel.com
 
2012-09-30 05:50:11 PM

ZAZ: A 185 page decision is needlessly long. All that is important is here: He said they have been proven invalid in law and anyone who tries them could get stuck paying court costs.

American federal courts respond to tax protestor arguments by declaring them frivolous and imposing ever-increasing fines.  If you say the 16th amendment was not ratified properly or wages are not income you will have to pay around $5,000 to cover the IRS' or federal prosecutors' legal bill.


...and do it too much, and you get prosecuted for tax fraud.
 
2012-09-30 05:51:30 PM

Befuddled: They believe we're all sovereign citizens yet they've formed their own police force.


If they try and do anything, we should just call it an act of war.
 
2012-09-30 06:05:21 PM

phaseolus: Link to Fark thread for whoever needs it -- What happens when a Freeper goes to court? He finds out his internet arguments don't work IRL


They say a thing of beauty is a joy forever and that story and that thread both qualify.
 
2012-09-30 06:07:24 PM

Milo Minderbinder: Dafatone: Ctrl-Alt-Del: Six-Wings: I can't believe that I'm the Weeners this in the thread.

"Sovereign citizen" displaying his genius at a courthouse.

Did you catch the Fark thread on that story? Lovely. Just lovely

[pictat.com image 340x311]

Maybe I'm alone here, but P Barnes was a little too quick to go to the tazer. The camera guy was a douche, but being a douche doesn't get you tazed. Threatening someone or initiating physical conflict gets you tazed. He just whined.

He tried to push his way into a courtroom. How is that not initiating physical contact?


He steps forward, expecting the guys to get out of the way. One of them pushes him back, and he gets all "wah,let the record show you pushed me!"

Then the guy pulls out the tazer and points it at him. He whines about how he didn't do anything wrong, and the guy fires.

All he did was whine a lot, and step forward and then get pushed back. Pulling out a tazer doesn't mean you have to fire the thing. And camera guy didn't make any motions forward after the tazer was pulled.
 
2012-09-30 06:28:23 PM

Introitus: I was under the impression that Alberta was Canada's equivalent of Michele Bachmann's district.


Pretty much. Though they still have better health care. Sports teams wise, about the same, suck.
 
2012-09-30 06:34:36 PM
That Idaho P Barnes versus internet tough guy is comedy gold. 1 internets for you.
 
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