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(New York Daily News)   Paul Ryan can't explain his tax plan to you because the math is too complicated and there's not enough time to go through it all   (nydailynews.com ) divider line
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2012-09-30 03:30:10 PM  
sorry i don't have time to read the whole thread (really i don't) so apologies if this has been mentioned.

ryan was on Fox News Sunday. the place most likely to give him all the time he needed.

the plan sucks because to make it work they have to kill the mortgage deduction. one of the biggest deductions the middle class has and a perennial selling point for buying your own house. so not only would middle class home buyers hate the details but the housing industry and the appliance industry and the ........ you know where this is going.
 
2012-09-30 03:31:01 PM  

Hollie Maea: But just look at him! He looks so earnest. A face like that you just have to trust, right?


You misspelled "punch"
 
2012-09-30 03:31:30 PM  
Leave the math to us educated elite, you filthy peasants!
 
2012-09-30 03:31:40 PM  

thismomentinblackhistory: Vodka Zombie: Well, Mr. Ryan, I can shoot lasers out of my fingertips, but you're nowhere near cool enough for me to show you.

Also, my neighbor built a time machine in his basement.

That reminds me of the time Michael Jackdson stopped at my house because he had to use the bathroom.


I thought that was Joe Namath, and it was because he couldn't start his car because of vapor lock?
 
2012-09-30 03:32:08 PM  
The Biden/Ryan debate:

JB: "Tell us yr tax plan, tell us what loopholes you're going to cut to make up for your tax cuts for billionaires plan"

PR:"It's a great plan and it's a 100% plan"

JB:"You haven't got a plan have you?"

PR:"Yes we have and it's a great plan for all patriotic Americans"

JB:"Your plan is going to save Sheldon $2 billion dollars a year in taxes. How many middle class guys are going to get a tax increase to pay for that?"

etc etc
 
2012-09-30 03:33:57 PM  
[malibustacy.jpg]

"Math is hard!"
 
2012-09-30 03:37:00 PM  
Has any political candidate thrown a nomination as steadily as Romney in the past 15-20 years? This is a genuine question, I only really started paying attention to politics over the past 5 years. I open up my news site every morning wondering if Romney did anything else this morning that helps cement liberal control of this country.

/But, I can't really see Herman Cain or Gingrich doing too much better than Romneys doing either
 
2012-09-30 03:37:45 PM  
I've been a "session chair" at conferences - the guy who is in charge of a session of say 4 speakers and introduces them, cuts them off if they go to long, manages audience questions, etc.

One time the 3rd speaker finished an answer with "it would take too long to explain". I pointed out that the speaker who was up next had canceled so he had plenty of time. After being shot a dirty look the guy tried to explain how it was really too complicated to explain. He never spoke to me thereafter.
 
2012-09-30 03:37:50 PM  

nucrash: Sorry, that was a fail.

Obama's Pitch to flatten the tax code.


What you libtards fail to understand is that this is Obama's trickery. Sure, he SAYS he'll reduce the rates, but it'll have enough red tape to counterbalance them and more. Plus it sets him up to come back later and raise them (with red tape still in place) when the poors want more of your money.

Government is never the answer. Neither is Obama. Unless you're asking "who will destroy the country?" I guess. Then maybe he is, if you want to get all Dummycrat technical about it.
 
2012-09-30 03:39:27 PM  

D_Evans45: Has any political candidate thrown a nomination as steadily as Romney in the past 15-20 years? This is a genuine question, I only really started paying attention to politics over the past 5 years. I open up my news site every morning wondering if Romney did anything else this morning that helps cement liberal control of this country.

/But, I can't really see Herman Cain or Gingrich doing too much better than Romneys doing either


Remember: Romney was the MOST electable of the GOP candidates.

It says more about a party in collapse than it does just about Romney specifically. Although he's still quite the tool.
 
2012-09-30 03:42:44 PM  

Solchie: The math is too complicated? So basically Ryan just called the American people stupid (in a subtle way). Those of us who aren't stupid see right through your not so cunning little plan.


Not at all.

See, the Math required to understand this complex and patriotic tax plan is very complex and you need a college degree to really understand it.

As we all know, the desire to have a college degree is only one that snobs have, so therefore only snobs go to college (except for a few brave trusthworthy individuals like Romeny and Ryan).

So not telling us The Math behind it is really his way of kindly protecting us from the snobbery that is the liberal bastion of education.

So if you are asking to see The Math, there is only one question that can be asked in return.

Why do you hate America?
 
2012-09-30 03:43:12 PM  
I love this:

But, he also said, "I don't think one event is going to make or break this campaign.

Mr. Ryan, can I point you to this "one event":

Mitt Romney: "There are 47 percent of the people who will vote for the president no matter what. All right, there are 47 percent who are with him, who are dependent upon government, who believe that they are victims, who believe the government has a responsibility to care for them, who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing, to you-name-it -- that that's an entitlement. And the government should give it to them. And they will vote for this president no matter what. ... These are people who pay no income tax. ... [M]y job is not to worry about those people. I'll never convince them they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives." 

The moment those words passed Romney's lips, the campaign was over.
 
2012-09-30 03:43:17 PM  
I don't see what's so complicated about "Borrow from the Chinese", Congressman Ryan.
 
2012-09-30 03:43:28 PM  

quatchi: That pic deserves some kind of caption.

I'mma go with...

"Hey girl, don't you worry your pretty little head about the math in my Budget, I'd explain it but I have to be at the gym in 26 minutes".

/Is it just me or has Ryan aged quite a bit in a few scant days since his selection?
//Guy's got more furrows in his forehead than a Iowa corn field.


If you're any good at recognizing body language, it's especially telling of the (lack of) faith he has in his plan. It's the subconscious' way of saying "I'm shoving this on you, whether you want it or not."
 
2012-09-30 03:44:27 PM  
Isn't this the guy that released a budge with no numbers? I'm pretty sure anyone who passed a elementary school math class can comprehend whatever he puts out. Any member of the media that calls him a budget guru should be kicked in the crotch repeatedly.
 
2012-09-30 03:45:09 PM  
So now the same people that spent the last 4 years screeching about how Obama is a snooty elitist have decided to turn around and campaign on "Shhhh. Don't you worry your pretty little head." Great.

And Mr. Ryan, if you think the "math" in your plan is too hard for us, then you don't even know what math is. In terms of mathematics, you're tax plan has nothing more complicated than basic arithmetic. What is hard is the legal jargon and all the questions about what can be counted as what type of expense, how certain incomes are accounted for, and all the other shiat that Romney and other ridiculously wealthy people pay 6 or 7 figures to a tax accountant to take advantage of every year.

redmedia.com

/hot like my seething rage at some douchebag politician insulting my intelligence
 
2012-09-30 03:45:54 PM  
Just right it on a black board and let Matt Damon solve it. Geez.
 
2012-09-30 03:46:29 PM  
*write, even.
 
2012-09-30 03:47:07 PM  

dj_bigbird: How is this any different than Pelosi's declaration that they have to pass Obamacare to find out what's in it?


Because that quote by Pelosi, while accurate is out of context and actually leaves off the rest of the sentence: "We have to pass the bill so that you can find out what is in it away from the fog of the controversy." It came up during a discussion of the process around the bill, not the bill itself- because so many people on the right were lying their asses off about it (death panels, anyone?) and generally shiatting up the process.

Pelosi phrased it somewhat awkwardly but anyone who has looked into it knows that it was an attempt to say "We have to ignore the crap these monkeys are flinging and get this bill passed, and then you'll see that we were right."

And you know what? She was right.
 
2012-09-30 03:47:16 PM  
THEN PUT IT UP ON YOUR WEBSITE OR SOMETHING! MAKE A VIDEO WITH DIAGRAMS!
 
2012-09-30 03:48:02 PM  

Sandelaphon: Isn't this the guy that released a budge with no numbers? I'm pretty sure anyone who passed a elementary school math class can comprehend whatever he puts out. Any member of the media that calls him a budget guru should be kicked in the crotch repeatedly.


Yes, his first budget submission had no numbers on it. Well, the pages were numbered me thinks, possibly even sequentially.
 
2012-09-30 03:49:41 PM  

WizardofToast: THEN PUT IT UP ON YOUR WEBSITE OR SOMETHING! MAKE A VIDEO WITH DIAGRAMS!


Their diagrams are just as pedantic and insulting.
www.rumproast.com
 
2012-09-30 03:50:02 PM  

Vodka Zombie: Well, Mr. Ryan, I can shoot lasers out of my fingertips, but you're nowhere near cool enough for me to show you.

Also, my neighbor built a time machine in his basement.


Also: I can call forth all manner of gods and demons at my command, but Ryan's nowhere near cool enough for me to show him.
 
2012-09-30 03:50:33 PM  
Secret cures that can't be explained are usually quackery.
 
2012-09-30 03:53:27 PM  
Why in hell does it even matter to the tax freeloaders here on fark - you cheaters aren't paying any federal tax anyway.

//No Tax, No Vote!
 
2012-09-30 03:53:27 PM  

dj_bigbird: How is this any different than Pelosi's declaration that they have to pass Obamacare to find out what's in it?


Because one is a strawman and the other is actually what he said and intended for us to take away.
 
2012-09-30 03:53:34 PM  
Believes $18,000 for birth control.

Yeah I'm sure they could understand a major overhaul to the internal revenue code.
 
2012-09-30 03:53:48 PM  
Ryan: "Well, see now, if you just cut down the square you can get it to fit in a round hole. Problem-o solv-ed. "
 
2012-09-30 03:55:59 PM  
I really don't have time to explain it to you all but trust me, it's going to fix everything. Any idiot that believes that should sponsor me for a month of TF and send me their e-mail address and I'll send you the answer to life, the universe and everything.

/Paul Ryan Barbie says: "Math is hard."
 
2012-09-30 03:57:57 PM  
imageshack.us
 
2012-09-30 04:00:34 PM  
thriftymommaramblings.com
 
2012-09-30 04:01:27 PM  
Invisible Tax Plan
ezkool.com

vs.

Joe Biden's Dick
photo.parismatch.com

FIGHT!
 
2012-09-30 04:02:00 PM  
Fair enough, the math may take too long to explain in a sound bite on Fox News. So say "I'll put something up on my website". Then put a full explanation on your website. Heck with it, you can put a simplified "math is hard" version alongside the full version.
 
2012-09-30 04:02:57 PM  

WhoopAssWayne: aren't paying any federal tax


Huh, I bought gas this morning. Guess I'm eligible to vote.
 
2012-09-30 04:04:26 PM  
Paul Ryan went to Miami of Ohio, which only accepts the very brightest and does not provide scholarships or accept parental money. All students must be smarter than a Harvard or Yale Cum Laude and they must pay their own way through hard work at a job in the private industry. Its not surprising his plan is too complicated for the rest of us.
 
2012-09-30 04:08:07 PM  
You know something is bad for the Republicans when not even their usual white-knights are here to defend them.
 
2012-09-30 04:08:16 PM  

Don't Troll Me Bro!: WizardofToast: THEN PUT IT UP ON YOUR WEBSITE OR SOMETHING! MAKE A VIDEO WITH DIAGRAMS!

Their diagrams are just as pedantic and insulting.
[www.rumproast.com image 308x444]



Reminds me of:
conservationfinance.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-09-30 04:11:59 PM  
This is typical Romney CEO attitude. CEO's don't worry about the details; they are responsible for the Goals. Romney has a Goal of increasing jobs and reducing the deficit. He and Ryan can't be bothered with the Details that lead to these Goals, that's for the little people (Congress) to work out, and then those Details can be presented to the peons (us) as the Plan.

That's why Romney and Ryan avoid discussing the details of their plan; they don't exist yet, meaning no one knows if the plan would work or not. It also means that Romney can avoid criticism about just what deductions get eliminated, he can say "that was Congress' idea, not mine" to get rid of, say, the mortgage deduction.

Basically, Romney has thrown out some crazy idea he wants implemented, and will then blame on someone else when it doesn't work (assuming he's elected President, of course).
 
2012-09-30 04:14:57 PM  

Don't Troll Me Bro!: "Shhhh. Don't you worry your pretty little head." Great.


I would pay serious money to see Romney and Ryan attempt do a skit as Barry and Levon. Maybe we they could call it "$240 billion dollars of tax cuts."

/you, get in my favorites list
 
2012-09-30 04:15:18 PM  

LarryDan43: Paul Ryan went to Miami of Ohio, which only accepts the very brightest and does not provide scholarships or accept parental money. All students must be smarter than a Harvard or Yale Cum Laude and they must pay their own way through hard work at a job in the private industry. Its not surprising his plan is too complicated for the rest of us.


Ben Roethlisberger went to Miami of Ohio too. Coincidence?

/Just asking questions
 
2012-09-30 04:15:36 PM  
Math is hard. Let's go shopping.

/CONSUME
/BREED
/OBEY
 
2012-09-30 04:16:34 PM  

D_Evans45: Has any political candidate thrown a nomination as steadily as Romney in the past 15-20 years? This is a genuine question, I only really started paying attention to politics over the past 5 years. I open up my news site every morning wondering if Romney did anything else this morning that helps cement liberal control of this country.


dood, really? you still are not paying any attention. try reading something else. anything else.

liberal control? bwahahahahahahaahahahahahahhahahahahaa
 
2012-09-30 04:18:54 PM  
It's just about the first week of October. The election isn't until November. You're tax plan is so long and complicated it would take you more than a month to explain it?

Is Mr. Herman '3 Pages' Cain gonna have to choke a biatch?
 
2012-09-30 04:19:01 PM  
Makes sense. The republican party aren't really big with people who can understand numbers.
 
2012-09-30 04:20:01 PM  

ihopOVERpancakes: Paul Ryan? More like... Paul LYIN'.


Hey, that's no way to talk about someone with Dumbocchio syndrome.
 
2012-09-30 04:21:22 PM  

Cyclometh: I love this:

But, he also said, "I don't think one event is going to make or break this campaign.

Mr. Ryan, can I point you to this "one event":

Mitt Romney: "There are 47 percent of the people who will vote for the president no matter what. All right, there are 47 percent who are with him, who are dependent upon government, who believe that they are victims, who believe the government has a responsibility to care for them, who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing, to you-name-it -- that that's an entitlement. And the government should give it to them. And they will vote for this president no matter what. ... These are people who pay no income tax. ... [M]y job is not to worry about those people. I'll never convince them they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives." 

The moment those words passed Romney's lips, the campaign was over.


I don't see there as being a single event by Romney that breaks his campaign; He has said or done things with startling regularity that, if it were a Democrat who did them, would be the end of their campaign because the media would hound them to the ends of earth for it. Remember, this is the same media that tried to make hay out of Obama's choice of lunch condiments.

Can you imagine if Obama tried to tell a joke to a reporter about how he fired all the workers in one place to move production elsewhere?
Or went on a world-tour in 2008 and managed to insult our allies everywhere he went?
What if he held a press conference immediately after a terrorist attack and couldn't contain his glee that people died on Bush's watch?
If he'd been caught on tape in a mirror of the 47% remark, saying something about how everyone making over middle-class wages is a burgeoisie parasite stealing from the mouths of the proletariat?

The media would've tried, convicted and crucified him before a snowball in hell could blink! Yet Mitt and now Ryan do things like this seemingly every month, if not more. More minor foot'n'mouth things like "lemon. wet. good." seem to happen almost daily. And yet, the media continue to treat them as serious, legitimate candidates instead of comic relief.

The only good news about the news is that I think we might finally be approaching a transition, when they finally realize they can't pretend this is a horse race anymore and stop trying. A few more things like Scarbarough's "sweet Jesus..." moment and that is the end.

/The end is coming in 3 days
 
2012-09-30 04:22:17 PM  
Is this more Economics Is Magic from the GOP candidates?
 
2012-09-30 04:24:46 PM  

LarryDan43: Paul Ryan went to Miami of Ohio, which only accepts the very brightest and does not provide scholarships or accept parental money. All students must be smarter than a Harvard or Yale Cum Laude and they must pay their own way through hard work at a job in the private industry. Its not surprising his plan is too complicated for the rest of us.


Don't they have 487,900 undergraduates on campus?

That's a whole nation of John Galts!
 
2012-09-30 04:25:31 PM  
We've got plenty of time. And even if the tax cuts are revenue neutral, how does revenue neutral reduce the deficit?
 
2012-09-30 04:29:26 PM  

runwiz: We've got plenty of time. And even if the tax cuts are revenue neutral, how does revenue neutral reduce the deficit?


The idea being that the targeted tax cuts would stimulate job growth and subsequently tax revenue. Of course this ignores the fact that somebody has to pay for the cuts and those sombodies would have less money to spend on the goods and/or services being provided by the tax preferred businesses.
 
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