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2012-09-30 12:15:33 PM
Try me.
 
2012-09-30 12:25:17 PM
Well, Mr. Ryan, I can shoot lasers out of my fingertips, but you're nowhere near cool enough for me to show you.

Also, my neighbor built a time machine in his basement.
 
2012-09-30 12:27:10 PM
The math is too complicated? So basically Ryan just called the American people stupid (in a subtle way). Those of us who aren't stupid see right through your not so cunning little plan.
 
2012-09-30 12:28:42 PM
Romney/Ryan: Vote for us, our shiat's too complicated to ever explain to you.
 
2012-09-30 12:36:05 PM
How is this any different than Pelosi's declaration that they have to pass Obamacare to find out what's in it?
 
2012-09-30 12:38:49 PM
But just look at him! He looks so earnest. A face like that you just have to trust, right?
 
2012-09-30 12:41:05 PM

dj_bigbird: How is this any different than Pelosi's declaration that they have to pass Obamacare to find out what's in it?


They're asking the country to vote for them, while Pelosi only gets voted on by her district, and both Romney and Ryan have bashed her with that talking point. Now they're using it themselves.

But both sides are bad. I know you're too retarded to say anything else.
 
2012-09-30 12:47:59 PM
And it's from Canada.
 
2012-09-30 01:01:15 PM
It's obvious that Ryan is far too intelligent, and his economic plan is far too complicated for us peons. The only ones that would understand it are the job creators, and they don't need to know the details because they just know it will work.
 
2012-09-30 01:01:30 PM

dj_bigbird: How is this any different than Pelosi's declaration that they have to pass Obamacare to find out what's in it?


Nancy Pelosi said that we had to pass ObamaCares to get away from the controversy of garbage talking points like there are death panels in the law or the federal government is completely taking over health care. That way, we could focus on what the bill actually said and what it would do.

In contrast, Paul Ryan said that he won't explain how his tax plan works because we're idiots and don't deserve the details that have never been revealed.

There, that's how they're different.
 
2012-09-30 01:04:34 PM

dj_bigbird: How is this any different than Pelosi's declaration that they have to pass Obamacare to find out what's in it?


The difference is ibmn the intention of the comment. Pelosi only meant that there was so much deep coming from the GOP that the truth about the ACA was being distorted. The Democrats were happy to discuss what was in the bill. Ryan, on the other hand won't tell you about the tax plan because he thinks we're too slow to understand. The difference is easy to see if you read the statements in context.
 
2012-09-30 01:06:25 PM
i46.tinypic.com
 
2012-09-30 01:07:57 PM
Paul Ryan? More like... Paul LYIN'.
 
2012-09-30 01:08:03 PM

verbal_jizm: dj_bigbird: How is this any different than Pelosi's declaration that they have to pass Obamacare to find out what's in it?

The difference is ibmn in the intention of the comment. Pelosi only meant that there was so much deep derp coming from the GOP that the truth about the ACA was being distorted. The Democrats were happy to discuss what was in the bill. Ryan, on the other hand won't tell you about the tax plan because he thinks we're too slow to understand. The difference is easy to see if you read the statements in context.


Farking phone
 
2012-09-30 01:16:09 PM
I think we can safely assume that his plan hoses down the middle class.
 
2012-09-30 01:17:05 PM

dj_bigbird: How is this any different than Pelosi's declaration that they have to pass Obamacare to find out what's in it?


When Pelosi said that, the bill was in the Senate and Harry Reid was trying to find a way to get one Republican to vote in favor of it. The Senate bill could have looked very different from the House version. And that House version was being attacked for its non-existent taxpayer-funded access to abortion and 'death panels'.

Pelosi was commenting on the difficulty of defending a bill that might have changed significantly. As it turns out, the ACA was passed using Reconciliation...without death panels or federally-funded abortions, oddly enough.

Ryan, on the other hand, implies that the plan (not a law, just a plan, the Romney/Ryan plan, written by their team and fully within their control) is done but cannot be explained because explaining the math would take too long.

Fair enough, but why don't they POST THE farkING MATH ON THEIR WEBSITE? Then, Ryan can just say, "Hey, here's the math. Let me talk about some key points..."
 
2012-09-30 01:17:45 PM

Marcus Aurelius: I think we can safely assume that his plan hoses down the middle class.


Eliminating the mortgage interest deduction could pay for an awful lot of awesome tax cuts!
 
2012-09-30 01:19:38 PM
Not that this is Fark and we would never distort anything or take information out of context to show just how retarded a candidate is but Paul Ryan said that the Romney/Ryan tax plan (Or lack there of...) is too time consuming to explain. So either he doesn't have enough time talking about how he ran a marathon in 3 hours instead of 4, or he just doesn't understand how to put out a press release of the plan itself.
 
2012-09-30 01:35:32 PM
Complicating the most complicated system of laws in our country is something that should be avoided. Simplifying, however, would be a welcome change.
 
2012-09-30 01:39:44 PM

cman: Complicating the most complicated system of laws in our country is something that should be avoided. Simplifying, however, would be a welcome change.


Where were these people when Obama wanted to do this back in February 2012: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/22/business/economy/obama-offers-to-cut -corporate-tax-rate-to-28.html?pagewanted=all

Obama and Romney preach the same thing and yet no one can seem to do anything about this mess.
 
2012-09-30 01:42:05 PM
 
2012-09-30 01:44:00 PM
You pleebs can't possibly fathom how Ryan's awesome tax plan would work with your feeble minds. If he even tried to explain it to you, your head would explode into 100 sparkling bald eagles that would fly off into the sunset and Fartbongocare wouldn't cover the damage. The question you should be asking is why doesn't the Communegro want to fix your eaglesploded heads. The answer to that is socialism. Lots of it. Vote Romney/Ryan!

/makes about as much sense as whatever Ryan will come up with
 
2012-09-30 01:45:16 PM
I can understand how it might be too long and complicated to explain in a short little interview with Chris Wallace or whatever. But you could, you know, write it down or something.
 
2012-09-30 01:51:32 PM
What a couple of cocks. I hope they lose in a landslide, just because they are such cocks.

/cocks
 
2012-09-30 01:51:57 PM

Vodka Zombie: Well, Mr. Ryan, I can shoot lasers out of my fingertips, but you're nowhere near cool enough for me to show you.

Also, my neighbor built a time machine in his basement.


That reminds me of the time Michael Jackdson stopped at my house because he had to use the bathroom.
 
2012-09-30 01:53:16 PM

cman: Complicating the most complicated system of laws in our country is something that should be avoided. Simplifying, however, would be a welcome change.


That is not what Congress is about, not for the last 40 years. Our legal code is becoming MORE complex, with far more provisos and conditions because when you minutely define issues, then you have a reason to work around things. That's sort of the point of exploding regulatory issues: minute definition is there by design. It is there to give folks a reason to flout the intent of said laws, by claiming that they're just taking advantage of the code as written. X amount of chemical additives, Y deductions possible, Z number of waivers filed. Simplification is NOT what folks who put up cash for campaigns want. They want MORE code, they want MORE complexity, because it gives lawyers jobs, and it keeps courts tied up parsing those minute definitions.

Simplification is not going to be possible until we can get campaign finance reformed. Plain and simple. It won't happen, because Congress is in the job of managing problems, not solving them. And they won't be, until we can take the profit from the process...
 
2012-09-30 02:00:30 PM

dj_bigbird: How is this any different than Pelosi's declaration that they have to pass Obamacare to find out what's in it?


Ah. Allergic to facts or just willful ignorance?
 
2012-09-30 02:08:37 PM
Wallace: "Mr. Ryan, perhaps you could explain some of the specifics of your tax plan?"
Ryan: "I was told there would be no math!"
 
2012-09-30 02:11:09 PM
There are these things called "websites", where stuff like "information" and "data" and "math" can be made available to anyone with a "computer". That way, people who are experts in "economics" can actually take the time to evaluate whether the budget plan will do what Ryan claims, or whether, as is likely the case, it's a complete load of crap designed to soak the poor and the middle class so that the rich can seriously cash in.

Who the hell thinks that "aww, the math is too hard for me to explain to you" is a good campaign talking point?
 
2012-09-30 02:16:09 PM

dahmers love zombie: Who the hell thinks that "aww, the math is too hard for me to explain to you" is a good campaign talking point?


i49.tinypic.com
 
2012-09-30 02:22:24 PM

dahmers love zombie: Who the hell thinks that "aww, the math is too hard for me to explain to you" is a good campaign talking point?


[go_away_baitin.jpg]
 
2012-09-30 02:27:26 PM
It takes that long to say "Much like me, it's completely full of shiat and based on a collective fantasy?"
 
2012-09-30 02:53:00 PM
He's given all you people need to know.
 
2012-09-30 02:55:41 PM
At least he understands his base.
 
2012-09-30 03:09:02 PM
That's what Bernie Madoff told me. Just trust him. He wouldn't steer you wrong
 
2012-09-30 03:10:47 PM

Marcus Aurelius: I think we can safely assume that his plan hoses down the middle class.


Politicians lie.

Ryan says his plan is too complicated to go through the details.

thus we can conclude Ryan's plan is very simple.

/if you make under $5,000,000 you are hosed.
 
2012-09-30 03:12:00 PM
That pic deserves some kind of caption.

I'mma go with...

"Hey girl, don't you worry your pretty little head about the math in my Budget, I'd explain it but I have to be at the gym in 26 minutes".

/Is it just me or has Ryan aged quite a bit in a few scant days since his selection?
//Guy's got more furrows in his forehead than a Iowa corn field.
 
2012-09-30 03:12:18 PM
Paul Ryan reminds me more and more of John Fitzgerald Page.
 
2012-09-30 03:12:49 PM
Wow, did ya see that Green Bay game? Talk about a tough loss....and you know what else is tough? Math!
 
2012-09-30 03:13:30 PM
Short answer. We don't know what we're doing but trust us anyway.
 
2012-09-30 03:15:01 PM

Relatively Obscure: I can understand how it might be too long and complicated to explain in a short little interview with Chris Wallace or whatever. But you could, you know, write it down or something.


Yeah, there's this thing called the Internet, I hear. It lets people place all kinds of complex information in a readily accessible format so others can review it at their leisure.

Maybe Ryan needs to try that.
 
2012-09-30 03:16:31 PM

Solchie: The math is too complicated? So basically Ryan just called the American people stupid (in a subtle way). Those of us who aren't stupid see right through your not so cunning little plan.


No no no, they're not too stupid for it. The plan is just...so amazing that a single utterance to an unprepared populous would cause people's heads to explode and women's panties to fall off almost instantaneously.
 
2012-09-30 03:16:46 PM
When I first started teaching a student asked me a question that I didn't know the answer to. I responded in similar fashion saying I COULD answer that question, but it will take us into an area that is really complicated and beyond the scope of this class and the class's ability to comprehend the concept.

I, of course, was blowing smoke up their asses and Ryan is doing that to the American public right now.
 
2012-09-30 03:16:58 PM
How about instead of making an overly complicated tax plan that you need a college degree to understand (I have no idea if this applies to Ryan's plan or not) we simply have a tax rate that rises predicable the more money you make along with simple and understandable deductions such as children, expenses over the tax year (you are supporting the economy so you can pay less taxes) charitable donations (meaning donating your money to actual charity organization that spend at least 80% of the money to help those they claim to help not just churches) and other reasonable and understandable things?
 
2012-09-30 03:18:41 PM

Solchie: The math is too complicated? So basically Ryan just called the American people stupid (in a subtle way). Those of us who aren't stupid see right through your not so cunning little plan.


Which is why they will never have the elite, smart people on their side.
 
2012-09-30 03:20:08 PM
I certainly hope the Republicans aren't complaining about 'transparency 'of the Obama administration when Romney won't share his tax returns and Ryan won't tell us what his tax plan is.
 
2012-09-30 03:22:37 PM

NewportBarGuy: Marcus Aurelius: I think we can safely assume that his plan hoses down the middle class.

Eliminating the mortgage interest deduction could pay for an awful lot of awesome tax cuts!


And think of all the airplane fuel and munitions we could buy and drop on those pesky brown people.
 
2012-09-30 03:22:48 PM

Muta: I certainly hope the Republicans aren't complaining about 'transparency 'of the Obama administration when Romney won't share his tax returns and Ryan won't tell us what his tax plan is.


Oh, no no...that is NOTHING like those evil state departments refusing to share their travel expenses. This is DIFFERENT.
 
2012-09-30 03:24:33 PM
I think what Paul means is that the math is too complicated for anyone who would conceivably vote Republican this year.
 
2012-09-30 03:27:47 PM

LectertheChef: Paul Ryan reminds me more and more of John Fitzgerald Page.


Paul Ryan reminds me more and more of Jay Gatsby.
 
2012-09-30 03:30:10 PM
sorry i don't have time to read the whole thread (really i don't) so apologies if this has been mentioned.

ryan was on Fox News Sunday. the place most likely to give him all the time he needed.

the plan sucks because to make it work they have to kill the mortgage deduction. one of the biggest deductions the middle class has and a perennial selling point for buying your own house. so not only would middle class home buyers hate the details but the housing industry and the appliance industry and the ........ you know where this is going.
 
2012-09-30 03:31:01 PM

Hollie Maea: But just look at him! He looks so earnest. A face like that you just have to trust, right?


You misspelled "punch"
 
2012-09-30 03:31:30 PM
Leave the math to us educated elite, you filthy peasants!
 
2012-09-30 03:31:40 PM

thismomentinblackhistory: Vodka Zombie: Well, Mr. Ryan, I can shoot lasers out of my fingertips, but you're nowhere near cool enough for me to show you.

Also, my neighbor built a time machine in his basement.

That reminds me of the time Michael Jackdson stopped at my house because he had to use the bathroom.


I thought that was Joe Namath, and it was because he couldn't start his car because of vapor lock?
 
2012-09-30 03:32:08 PM
The Biden/Ryan debate:

JB: "Tell us yr tax plan, tell us what loopholes you're going to cut to make up for your tax cuts for billionaires plan"

PR:"It's a great plan and it's a 100% plan"

JB:"You haven't got a plan have you?"

PR:"Yes we have and it's a great plan for all patriotic Americans"

JB:"Your plan is going to save Sheldon $2 billion dollars a year in taxes. How many middle class guys are going to get a tax increase to pay for that?"

etc etc
 
2012-09-30 03:33:57 PM
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"Math is hard!"
 
2012-09-30 03:37:00 PM
Has any political candidate thrown a nomination as steadily as Romney in the past 15-20 years? This is a genuine question, I only really started paying attention to politics over the past 5 years. I open up my news site every morning wondering if Romney did anything else this morning that helps cement liberal control of this country.

/But, I can't really see Herman Cain or Gingrich doing too much better than Romneys doing either
 
2012-09-30 03:37:45 PM
I've been a "session chair" at conferences - the guy who is in charge of a session of say 4 speakers and introduces them, cuts them off if they go to long, manages audience questions, etc.

One time the 3rd speaker finished an answer with "it would take too long to explain". I pointed out that the speaker who was up next had canceled so he had plenty of time. After being shot a dirty look the guy tried to explain how it was really too complicated to explain. He never spoke to me thereafter.
 
2012-09-30 03:37:50 PM

nucrash: Sorry, that was a fail.

Obama's Pitch to flatten the tax code.


What you libtards fail to understand is that this is Obama's trickery. Sure, he SAYS he'll reduce the rates, but it'll have enough red tape to counterbalance them and more. Plus it sets him up to come back later and raise them (with red tape still in place) when the poors want more of your money.

Government is never the answer. Neither is Obama. Unless you're asking "who will destroy the country?" I guess. Then maybe he is, if you want to get all Dummycrat technical about it.
 
2012-09-30 03:39:27 PM

D_Evans45: Has any political candidate thrown a nomination as steadily as Romney in the past 15-20 years? This is a genuine question, I only really started paying attention to politics over the past 5 years. I open up my news site every morning wondering if Romney did anything else this morning that helps cement liberal control of this country.

/But, I can't really see Herman Cain or Gingrich doing too much better than Romneys doing either


Remember: Romney was the MOST electable of the GOP candidates.

It says more about a party in collapse than it does just about Romney specifically. Although he's still quite the tool.
 
2012-09-30 03:42:44 PM

Solchie: The math is too complicated? So basically Ryan just called the American people stupid (in a subtle way). Those of us who aren't stupid see right through your not so cunning little plan.


Not at all.

See, the Math required to understand this complex and patriotic tax plan is very complex and you need a college degree to really understand it.

As we all know, the desire to have a college degree is only one that snobs have, so therefore only snobs go to college (except for a few brave trusthworthy individuals like Romeny and Ryan).

So not telling us The Math behind it is really his way of kindly protecting us from the snobbery that is the liberal bastion of education.

So if you are asking to see The Math, there is only one question that can be asked in return.

Why do you hate America?
 
2012-09-30 03:43:12 PM
I love this:

But, he also said, "I don't think one event is going to make or break this campaign.

Mr. Ryan, can I point you to this "one event":

Mitt Romney: "There are 47 percent of the people who will vote for the president no matter what. All right, there are 47 percent who are with him, who are dependent upon government, who believe that they are victims, who believe the government has a responsibility to care for them, who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing, to you-name-it -- that that's an entitlement. And the government should give it to them. And they will vote for this president no matter what. ... These are people who pay no income tax. ... [M]y job is not to worry about those people. I'll never convince them they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives." 

The moment those words passed Romney's lips, the campaign was over.
 
2012-09-30 03:43:17 PM
I don't see what's so complicated about "Borrow from the Chinese", Congressman Ryan.
 
2012-09-30 03:43:28 PM

quatchi: That pic deserves some kind of caption.

I'mma go with...

"Hey girl, don't you worry your pretty little head about the math in my Budget, I'd explain it but I have to be at the gym in 26 minutes".

/Is it just me or has Ryan aged quite a bit in a few scant days since his selection?
//Guy's got more furrows in his forehead than a Iowa corn field.


If you're any good at recognizing body language, it's especially telling of the (lack of) faith he has in his plan. It's the subconscious' way of saying "I'm shoving this on you, whether you want it or not."
 
2012-09-30 03:44:27 PM
Isn't this the guy that released a budge with no numbers? I'm pretty sure anyone who passed a elementary school math class can comprehend whatever he puts out. Any member of the media that calls him a budget guru should be kicked in the crotch repeatedly.
 
2012-09-30 03:45:09 PM
So now the same people that spent the last 4 years screeching about how Obama is a snooty elitist have decided to turn around and campaign on "Shhhh. Don't you worry your pretty little head." Great.

And Mr. Ryan, if you think the "math" in your plan is too hard for us, then you don't even know what math is. In terms of mathematics, you're tax plan has nothing more complicated than basic arithmetic. What is hard is the legal jargon and all the questions about what can be counted as what type of expense, how certain incomes are accounted for, and all the other shiat that Romney and other ridiculously wealthy people pay 6 or 7 figures to a tax accountant to take advantage of every year.

redmedia.com

/hot like my seething rage at some douchebag politician insulting my intelligence
 
2012-09-30 03:45:54 PM
Just right it on a black board and let Matt Damon solve it. Geez.
 
2012-09-30 03:46:29 PM
*write, even.
 
2012-09-30 03:47:07 PM

dj_bigbird: How is this any different than Pelosi's declaration that they have to pass Obamacare to find out what's in it?


Because that quote by Pelosi, while accurate is out of context and actually leaves off the rest of the sentence: "We have to pass the bill so that you can find out what is in it away from the fog of the controversy." It came up during a discussion of the process around the bill, not the bill itself- because so many people on the right were lying their asses off about it (death panels, anyone?) and generally shiatting up the process.

Pelosi phrased it somewhat awkwardly but anyone who has looked into it knows that it was an attempt to say "We have to ignore the crap these monkeys are flinging and get this bill passed, and then you'll see that we were right."

And you know what? She was right.
 
2012-09-30 03:47:16 PM
THEN PUT IT UP ON YOUR WEBSITE OR SOMETHING! MAKE A VIDEO WITH DIAGRAMS!
 
2012-09-30 03:48:02 PM

Sandelaphon: Isn't this the guy that released a budge with no numbers? I'm pretty sure anyone who passed a elementary school math class can comprehend whatever he puts out. Any member of the media that calls him a budget guru should be kicked in the crotch repeatedly.


Yes, his first budget submission had no numbers on it. Well, the pages were numbered me thinks, possibly even sequentially.
 
2012-09-30 03:49:41 PM

WizardofToast: THEN PUT IT UP ON YOUR WEBSITE OR SOMETHING! MAKE A VIDEO WITH DIAGRAMS!


Their diagrams are just as pedantic and insulting.
www.rumproast.com
 
2012-09-30 03:50:02 PM

Vodka Zombie: Well, Mr. Ryan, I can shoot lasers out of my fingertips, but you're nowhere near cool enough for me to show you.

Also, my neighbor built a time machine in his basement.


Also: I can call forth all manner of gods and demons at my command, but Ryan's nowhere near cool enough for me to show him.
 
2012-09-30 03:50:33 PM
Secret cures that can't be explained are usually quackery.
 
2012-09-30 03:53:27 PM
Why in hell does it even matter to the tax freeloaders here on fark - you cheaters aren't paying any federal tax anyway.

//No Tax, No Vote!
 
2012-09-30 03:53:27 PM

dj_bigbird: How is this any different than Pelosi's declaration that they have to pass Obamacare to find out what's in it?


Because one is a strawman and the other is actually what he said and intended for us to take away.
 
2012-09-30 03:53:34 PM
Believes $18,000 for birth control.

Yeah I'm sure they could understand a major overhaul to the internal revenue code.
 
2012-09-30 03:53:48 PM
Ryan: "Well, see now, if you just cut down the square you can get it to fit in a round hole. Problem-o solv-ed. "
 
2012-09-30 03:55:59 PM
I really don't have time to explain it to you all but trust me, it's going to fix everything. Any idiot that believes that should sponsor me for a month of TF and send me their e-mail address and I'll send you the answer to life, the universe and everything.

/Paul Ryan Barbie says: "Math is hard."
 
2012-09-30 03:57:57 PM
imageshack.us
 
2012-09-30 04:00:34 PM
thriftymommaramblings.com
 
2012-09-30 04:01:27 PM
Invisible Tax Plan
ezkool.com

vs.

Joe Biden's Dick
photo.parismatch.com

FIGHT!
 
2012-09-30 04:02:00 PM
Fair enough, the math may take too long to explain in a sound bite on Fox News. So say "I'll put something up on my website". Then put a full explanation on your website. Heck with it, you can put a simplified "math is hard" version alongside the full version.
 
2012-09-30 04:02:57 PM

WhoopAssWayne: aren't paying any federal tax


Huh, I bought gas this morning. Guess I'm eligible to vote.
 
2012-09-30 04:04:26 PM
Paul Ryan went to Miami of Ohio, which only accepts the very brightest and does not provide scholarships or accept parental money. All students must be smarter than a Harvard or Yale Cum Laude and they must pay their own way through hard work at a job in the private industry. Its not surprising his plan is too complicated for the rest of us.
 
2012-09-30 04:08:07 PM
You know something is bad for the Republicans when not even their usual white-knights are here to defend them.
 
2012-09-30 04:08:16 PM

Don't Troll Me Bro!: WizardofToast: THEN PUT IT UP ON YOUR WEBSITE OR SOMETHING! MAKE A VIDEO WITH DIAGRAMS!

Their diagrams are just as pedantic and insulting.
[www.rumproast.com image 308x444]



Reminds me of:
conservationfinance.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-09-30 04:11:59 PM
This is typical Romney CEO attitude. CEO's don't worry about the details; they are responsible for the Goals. Romney has a Goal of increasing jobs and reducing the deficit. He and Ryan can't be bothered with the Details that lead to these Goals, that's for the little people (Congress) to work out, and then those Details can be presented to the peons (us) as the Plan.

That's why Romney and Ryan avoid discussing the details of their plan; they don't exist yet, meaning no one knows if the plan would work or not. It also means that Romney can avoid criticism about just what deductions get eliminated, he can say "that was Congress' idea, not mine" to get rid of, say, the mortgage deduction.

Basically, Romney has thrown out some crazy idea he wants implemented, and will then blame on someone else when it doesn't work (assuming he's elected President, of course).
 
2012-09-30 04:14:57 PM

Don't Troll Me Bro!: "Shhhh. Don't you worry your pretty little head." Great.


I would pay serious money to see Romney and Ryan attempt do a skit as Barry and Levon. Maybe we they could call it "$240 billion dollars of tax cuts."

/you, get in my favorites list
 
2012-09-30 04:15:18 PM

LarryDan43: Paul Ryan went to Miami of Ohio, which only accepts the very brightest and does not provide scholarships or accept parental money. All students must be smarter than a Harvard or Yale Cum Laude and they must pay their own way through hard work at a job in the private industry. Its not surprising his plan is too complicated for the rest of us.


Ben Roethlisberger went to Miami of Ohio too. Coincidence?

/Just asking questions
 
2012-09-30 04:15:36 PM
Math is hard. Let's go shopping.

/CONSUME
/BREED
/OBEY
 
2012-09-30 04:16:34 PM

D_Evans45: Has any political candidate thrown a nomination as steadily as Romney in the past 15-20 years? This is a genuine question, I only really started paying attention to politics over the past 5 years. I open up my news site every morning wondering if Romney did anything else this morning that helps cement liberal control of this country.


dood, really? you still are not paying any attention. try reading something else. anything else.

liberal control? bwahahahahahahaahahahahahahhahahahahaa
 
2012-09-30 04:18:54 PM
It's just about the first week of October. The election isn't until November. You're tax plan is so long and complicated it would take you more than a month to explain it?

Is Mr. Herman '3 Pages' Cain gonna have to choke a biatch?
 
2012-09-30 04:19:01 PM
Makes sense. The republican party aren't really big with people who can understand numbers.
 
2012-09-30 04:20:01 PM

ihopOVERpancakes: Paul Ryan? More like... Paul LYIN'.


Hey, that's no way to talk about someone with Dumbocchio syndrome.
 
2012-09-30 04:21:22 PM

Cyclometh: I love this:

But, he also said, "I don't think one event is going to make or break this campaign.

Mr. Ryan, can I point you to this "one event":

Mitt Romney: "There are 47 percent of the people who will vote for the president no matter what. All right, there are 47 percent who are with him, who are dependent upon government, who believe that they are victims, who believe the government has a responsibility to care for them, who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing, to you-name-it -- that that's an entitlement. And the government should give it to them. And they will vote for this president no matter what. ... These are people who pay no income tax. ... [M]y job is not to worry about those people. I'll never convince them they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives." 

The moment those words passed Romney's lips, the campaign was over.


I don't see there as being a single event by Romney that breaks his campaign; He has said or done things with startling regularity that, if it were a Democrat who did them, would be the end of their campaign because the media would hound them to the ends of earth for it. Remember, this is the same media that tried to make hay out of Obama's choice of lunch condiments.

Can you imagine if Obama tried to tell a joke to a reporter about how he fired all the workers in one place to move production elsewhere?
Or went on a world-tour in 2008 and managed to insult our allies everywhere he went?
What if he held a press conference immediately after a terrorist attack and couldn't contain his glee that people died on Bush's watch?
If he'd been caught on tape in a mirror of the 47% remark, saying something about how everyone making over middle-class wages is a burgeoisie parasite stealing from the mouths of the proletariat?

The media would've tried, convicted and crucified him before a snowball in hell could blink! Yet Mitt and now Ryan do things like this seemingly every month, if not more. More minor foot'n'mouth things like "lemon. wet. good." seem to happen almost daily. And yet, the media continue to treat them as serious, legitimate candidates instead of comic relief.

The only good news about the news is that I think we might finally be approaching a transition, when they finally realize they can't pretend this is a horse race anymore and stop trying. A few more things like Scarbarough's "sweet Jesus..." moment and that is the end.

/The end is coming in 3 days
 
2012-09-30 04:22:17 PM
Is this more Economics Is Magic from the GOP candidates?
 
2012-09-30 04:24:46 PM

LarryDan43: Paul Ryan went to Miami of Ohio, which only accepts the very brightest and does not provide scholarships or accept parental money. All students must be smarter than a Harvard or Yale Cum Laude and they must pay their own way through hard work at a job in the private industry. Its not surprising his plan is too complicated for the rest of us.


Don't they have 487,900 undergraduates on campus?

That's a whole nation of John Galts!
 
2012-09-30 04:25:31 PM
We've got plenty of time. And even if the tax cuts are revenue neutral, how does revenue neutral reduce the deficit?
 
2012-09-30 04:29:26 PM

runwiz: We've got plenty of time. And even if the tax cuts are revenue neutral, how does revenue neutral reduce the deficit?


The idea being that the targeted tax cuts would stimulate job growth and subsequently tax revenue. Of course this ignores the fact that somebody has to pay for the cuts and those sombodies would have less money to spend on the goods and/or services being provided by the tax preferred businesses.
 
2012-09-30 04:30:35 PM

Counter_Intelligent: Is this more Economics Is Magic from the GOP candidates?


It is magic. The dark secrets regarding the inner workings of macroeconomics are cleverly hidden... in books. That makes it a completely inaccessible mystery science.
 
2012-09-30 04:33:21 PM

Shrew2u: Fair enough, but why don't they POST THE farkING MATH ON THEIR WEBSITE?


This. So much this.
 
2012-09-30 04:37:09 PM
Math? You want math?

42 million jobs created in the last 24 years of Democratic Presidents, 24 million in the last 28 of Republican Presidents. 42>24

250,000 jobs created or saved since rescuing the auto industry 0 saved if Romney had "Let Detroit go bankrupt." 250,000>0

4.5 million private sector jobs created in the last 30 months 0 by congressional Republican obstructionists refusing to vote on Obama's jobs bill. 4,500,000>0

Republitards got nothing.

Rmoney/Ryan is deader than bin Laden.
 
2012-09-30 04:37:30 PM
An Associated Press analysis published Sunday says that if the election were held today, Obama would win at least 271 electoral votes - one more than he needs to hang onto the White House.


Really? Just one? People are still this farking stupid? That really is scary.
 
2012-09-30 04:38:45 PM

clkeagle: Counter_Intelligent: Is this more Economics Is Magic from the GOP candidates?

It is magic. The dark secrets regarding the inner workings of macroeconomics are cleverly hidden... in books. That makes it a completely inaccessible mystery science.


Wealth Creators. Trickle Down. Horse & Sparrow. Rising Tide. Voodoo.

Now you know everything you need to know about Republinomics.
 
2012-09-30 04:41:00 PM
Ryan's Budget?

Basically, a plan to steal from the middle class in the form of removing the single most important underpinning of the middle class, the home ownership write off, in order to free up more money for tax cuts for billionaires like Shelly Adelson.

It's not complicated per se it's just dumb and immoral as hell and would be generally hated if more people knew.

/Sure, there's a lot of other bad stuff in there and some laughably unrealistic projections and the like but that's the basic point more people need to wrap their heads around.
 
2012-09-30 04:44:04 PM

Vodka Zombie: Well, Mr. Ryan, I can shoot lasers out of my fingertips, but you're nowhere near cool enough for me to show you.

Also, my neighbor built a time machine in his basement.


If they go back to far in the past , won't they rematerialize in the dirt where their basement now exists?
 
2012-09-30 04:47:10 PM

quatchi: It's not complicated per se it's just dumb and immoral as hell and would be generally hated if more people knew.


People who are still going to vote for them simply don't care. There's literally nothing they could say or do at this point that would make their supporters change their mind.
 
2012-09-30 04:51:32 PM
Paul Ryan is a hipster. Its, its a really complicated formula, you've probably never heard of it
 
2012-09-30 04:53:59 PM

teto85: Math? You want math?

42 million jobs created in the last 24 years of Democratic Presidents, 24 million in the last 28 of Republican Presidents. 42>24

250,000 jobs created or saved since rescuing the auto industry 0 saved if Romney had "Let Detroit go bankrupt." 250,000>0

4.5 million private sector jobs created in the last 30 months 0 by congressional Republican obstructionists refusing to vote on Obama's jobs bill. 4,500,000>0

Republitards got nothing.

Rmoney/Ryan is deader than bin Laden.


That's some very telling math. I'm going out on a limb and guessing that, broken down by red/blue states, the numbers make the Republicans look even worse?

(checks some numbers)

...that's actually a lot more balanced what I was expecting to see. Apparently some states have competent Republicans in non-federal government positions.

Or maybe, just maybe, consumer demand also has an effect on private industry growth? And neither side should try to turn this into an election driven purely by economics?
 
2012-09-30 04:57:14 PM

Harry_Seldon: Vodka Zombie: Well, Mr. Ryan, I can shoot lasers out of my fingertips, but you're nowhere near cool enough for me to show you.

Also, my neighbor built a time machine in his basement.

If they go back to far in the past , won't they rematerialize in the dirt where their basement now exists?


Yeah. And, considering it's a new construction, it's clear someone dropped the ball.
 
2012-09-30 04:57:18 PM

Spanky_McFarksalot: Paul Ryan is a hipster. Its, its a really complicated formula, you've probably never heard of it


Niiiiiice. +1
 
2012-09-30 04:58:42 PM

LarryDan43: Paul Ryan went to Miami of Ohio, which only accepts the very brightest and does not provide scholarships or accept parental money. All students must be smarter than a Harvard or Yale Cum Laude and they must pay their own way through hard work at a job in the private industry. Its not surprising his plan is too complicated for the rest of us.


No one who isn't already wealthy could afford to go there. "Hard work at a job in the private industry" translates directly to "My dad got me a sweet job." Don't have connections? Be happy with your work in the service sector.
 
2012-09-30 04:59:39 PM
"We have a budget, and we will enact that budget once in office."

"Tell us about it."

"We have a budget, it's a very good budget."

"Tell us about it."

"We have a budget, and we will enact that budget once in office."

"Tell us about it."

"We have a budget, it's a very good budget."

"Tell us about it."

"We have a budget, and we will enact that budget once in office."

"Tell us about it."

"We have a budget, it's a very good budget."

"Tell us about it."

"We have a budget, and we will enact that budget once in office."

"Tell us about it."

"We have a budget, it's a very good budget."

"Tell us about it."


- endless loop -
 
2012-09-30 05:09:28 PM
Wallace: The Aurora Borealis? At this time of year? At this time of day? In this part of the country? Localized entirely within your kitchen?
Ryan: Yes.
Wallace: May I see it?
Ryan: No.
 
2012-09-30 05:15:09 PM
So they think the whole McCain 'I've got a plan for Bin Laden/put me in office to find out what it is' will work this time?

I'm sorry, can we have a real second party in this country? Because this farce of one is obviously dead in the water.
 
2012-09-30 05:16:10 PM
I don't see how "the rich pay nothing" is too complicated to explain, but ... in any case, haven't the Republicans been complaining for decades that the tax code is too complex? So, their solution is one that's inexplicable?
 
2012-09-30 05:23:53 PM
encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com

Thank you for not hurting my pretty little brain!
 
2012-09-30 05:25:22 PM

Mugato: quatchi: It's not complicated per se it's just dumb and immoral as hell and would be generally hated if more people knew.

People who are still going to vote for them simply don't care. There's literally nothing they could say or do at this point that would make their supporters change their mind.


Yeah, the "Some of the people you can fool all of the time" contingent aren't going anywhere between now and November but there still have to be some dumbass indies and on the fence undecideds left to be appalled by the simple harsh truth that media anointed "economic wunderkind" Paul Ryan is flat out lying when he says he has real serious plan and that it will improve the middle class' lot.

/There aint no way to hide them Ryan lies.
//Yes, an Eagle's earworm.
///I'mma jerk! ^__^
 
2012-09-30 05:33:18 PM

Vodka Zombie: Also, my neighbor built a time machine in his basement.


Is that one of those ones where everything goes dark and you wake up 12 hours later wearing a miniskirt and torn fishnet stockings? Those things make my ass hurt for days afterwards.
 
2012-09-30 05:42:27 PM

Pharque-it: "We have a budget, and we will enact that budget once in office."

"Tell us about it."

"We have a budget, it's a very good budget."

"Tell us about it."

"We have a budget, and we will enact that budget once in office."

"Tell us about it."

"We have a budget, it's a very good budget."

"Tell us about it."


- endless loop -


Does it have Electrolytes?
 
2012-09-30 05:51:17 PM
But he did have the courtesy of writing it down for anyone to peruse at their convenience right subby?
WTF this thread is about I have no idea.
 
hej
2012-09-30 05:58:32 PM
In his defense, this is basically the same response I am tempted to give creationists who just don't "get" evolution.
 
2012-09-30 06:52:31 PM
laugh away. and come tax time you'll be at an accountants office or H&R Blockhead because you can't make head or tails of taxes either. more government rules shoved down your throat that you are responsible for that is so complex people make a living specializing in it. what a crock of crap. meanwhile the rich powerful people in government don't have a clue what it's like to attend public schools, shop Wal-Mart or eat Burger King. Have a nice night.
 
2012-09-30 06:57:47 PM

dj_bigbird: How is this any different than Pelosi's declaration that they have to pass Obamacare to find out what's in it?


Because she never said that?
 
2012-09-30 06:58:45 PM
Faith-based economics.

www.guzer.com
 
2012-09-30 07:05:32 PM

KrispyKritter: laugh away. and come tax time you'll be at an accountants office or H&R Blockhead because you can't make head or tails of taxes either. more government rules shoved down your throat that you are responsible for that is so complex people make a living specializing in it.


Am I the only person who just uses Turbotax online? Takes like twenty minutes.
 
2012-09-30 07:06:11 PM

KrispyKritter: laugh away. and come tax time you'll be at an accountants office or H&R Blockhead because you can't make head or tails of taxes either. more government rules shoved down your throat that you are responsible for that is so complex people make a living specializing in it. what a crock of crap. meanwhile the rich powerful people in government don't have a clue what it's like to attend public schools, shop Wal-Mart or eat Burger King. Have a nice night.



Oh man, my night was going so well, until KrispyKritter told everyone we'd need to file taxes through a preparation service next year, and that rich people live the good life. Damn you, dastardly Farker, I'll never be quite the same.
 
2012-09-30 07:20:00 PM

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: KrispyKritter: laugh away. and come tax time you'll be at an accountants office or H&R Blockhead because you can't make head or tails of taxes either. more government rules shoved down your throat that you are responsible for that is so complex people make a living specializing in it.

Am I the only person who just uses Turbotax online? Takes like twenty minutes.


I have been using TurboTax Online for years. I just think the whole tax preparation is too expensive. I really don't get why there is a whole expensive online tax preparation industry. The IRS could easily provide a basic online tax filing system for the vast majority of people who have simpler taxes. Of course, the entire tax code at the state and federal level is way too complicated.
 
2012-09-30 07:52:12 PM

Harry_Seldon: I have been using TurboTax Online for years. I just think the whole tax preparation is too expensive. I really don't get why there is a whole expensive online tax preparation industry. The IRS could easily provide a basic online tax filing system for the vast majority of people who have simpler taxes. Of course, the entire tax code at the state and federal level is way too complicated.


Hell, I think the IRS should simply do it for you. They run the numbers anyways, they might as well. They should just send you a bill or a check, a rundown of the numbers, and you can appeal if you don't think they're right. Or elect to do them yourself. You would still have to do your own if you have itemized receipts. But if you're just doing mortgage and student loan deductions, it's easy. It would be perfect for millions of Americans.
 
2012-09-30 08:02:57 PM

Harry_Seldon: Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: KrispyKritter: laugh away. and come tax time you'll be at an accountants office or H&R Blockhead because you can't make head or tails of taxes either. more government rules shoved down your throat that you are responsible for that is so complex people make a living specializing in it.

Am I the only person who just uses Turbotax online? Takes like twenty minutes.

I have been using TurboTax Online for years. I just think the whole tax preparation is too expensive. I really don't get why there is a whole expensive online tax preparation industry. The IRS could easily provide a basic online tax filing system for the vast majority of people who have simpler taxes. Of course, the entire tax code at the state and federal level is way too complicated.


H&R Block lets me do mine online for free, but I also make poverty-level wages (my annual income is only 1/3 above HHS poverty guidelines if you assume that I work 8 hours a day, five days a week. My hours sometimes get cut, and I have no paid sick time, so I don't get paid if I call in sick. They won't let me use vacation time as sick time, either) and file a 1040EZ. It is probably a completely different matter if you have dependents or you itemize your deductions...
 
2012-09-30 08:06:56 PM

hillbillypharmacist: Harry_Seldon: I have been using TurboTax Online for years. I just think the whole tax preparation is too expensive. I really don't get why there is a whole expensive online tax preparation industry. The IRS could easily provide a basic online tax filing system for the vast majority of people who have simpler taxes. Of course, the entire tax code at the state and federal level is way too complicated.

Hell, I think the IRS should simply do it for you. They run the numbers anyways, they might as well. They should just send you a bill or a check, a rundown of the numbers, and you can appeal if you don't think they're right. Or elect to do them yourself. You would still have to do your own if you have itemized receipts. But if you're just doing mortgage and student loan deductions, it's easy. It would be perfect for millions of Americans.


Don't the British do something similar to that? I wonder how that works for them...
 
2012-09-30 08:15:09 PM

red5ish: [imageshack.us image 604x452]


No, the object does not continue to move after it comes to rest.

Because it's at rest.
 
2012-09-30 08:21:38 PM

Cyno01: Try me.


I have a minor in math and plenty of time. Please, let's get started.
 
2012-09-30 08:30:06 PM

Solchie: The math is too complicated? So basically Ryan just called the American people stupid (in a subtle way). Those of us who aren't stupid see right through your not so cunning little plan.


He might be right. I'm pretty good at math but I can't work with imaginary number theory.
 
2012-09-30 08:33:00 PM
This is how I imagine Danny McBride's character on Eastdown and Low Down would explain his tax policy

www.webmarketingforce.com
 
2012-09-30 08:49:05 PM
Their tax plan -- actually, their entire economic plan -- can be summed up in seven words.

i.imgur.com
 
2012-09-30 08:56:18 PM
Ryan is even worse at math than me.
 
2012-09-30 08:56:26 PM

LarryDan43: Paul Ryan went to Miami of Ohio, which only accepts the very brightest and does not provide scholarships or accept parental money. All students must be smarter than a Harvard or Yale Cum Laude and they must pay their own way through hard work at a job in the private industry. Its not surprising his plan is too complicated for the rest of us.


The majority of Miami students receive financial assistance, which may be available in the following forms:

Scholarships, based primarily on academic achievement (repayment is not required)
Grants, based on financial need (repayment is not required)
Loans (repayment is required after leaving school)
Work-study employment and campus jobs
 
2012-09-30 08:58:33 PM

Marcus Aurelius: I think we can safely assume that his plan hoses down the middle class.


Either that or it massively increases the nation's debt.
 
2012-09-30 08:58:50 PM

Solchie: The math is too complicated? So basically Ryan just called the American people stupid (in a subtle way). Those of us who aren't stupid see right through your not so cunning little plan.


47% moochers are also uneducated
 
2012-09-30 09:29:44 PM

dahmers love zombie: There are these things called "websites", where stuff like "information" and "data" and "math" can be made available to anyone with a "computer". That way, people who are experts in "economics" can actually take the time to evaluate whether the budget plan will do what Ryan claims, or whether, as is likely the case, it's a complete load of crap designed to soak the poor and the middle class so that the rich can seriously cash in.

Who the hell thinks that "aww, the math is too hard for me to explain to you" is a good campaign talking point?


Well, math IS hard. Barbie said so.
 
2012-09-30 09:30:02 PM
LectertheChef: Paul Ryan reminds me more and more of John Fitzgerald Page.

There's a reason for that. It's the same reason that he compulsively lies about his physical feats, he's desperate to think he really is a Randian Uber-mensch, despite all the evidence to the contrary
 
2012-09-30 09:45:18 PM

Cyno01: Try me.


Done in one.
If anybody has a plan, we would like to hear it.
We don't care if you milk goats for a living.
If it's a plan, tell us.
You don't have to be running for office.
Just fix it fix it fix it.
If you are running for office, and you pull this "nothing up my sleeve" B.S.
You will be called on it.

WHAT'S IN THE BOX, RYAN?
 
2012-09-30 10:12:50 PM

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: Am I the only person who just uses Turbotax online? Takes like twenty minutes.


I use taxact. I think I've used it for about 7 years now. I just have the standard 401k, ROTH IRA, and a few other typical investment things going on, nothing out of the ordinary, like say... a dressage horse deduction, so it suits my purpose nicely. I suppose Turbotax would suit my purpose as well.
 
2012-09-30 10:18:38 PM

Don't Troll Me Bro!: a dressage horse deduction


It's okay Rafalco, walk all over the little people.

www.thejanedough.com
 
2012-09-30 10:42:48 PM
Tis fine, I don't have time to vote for him.

dipstick.
 
2012-09-30 11:04:42 PM
As opposed to the health care plan that Obama laid out completely and perfectly before the last election along with all his other plans?
 
2012-09-30 11:16:20 PM

randomjsa: As opposed to the health care plan that Obama laid out completely and perfectly before the last election along with all his other plans?


Both sides are bad, so vote for Ryan!
 
2012-09-30 11:26:14 PM
You know what? Paul Ryan is correct. His tax plan - or any tax plan for a country the size of the United States - would be too complicated for me to understand in its entirety. I'm not a math whiz. It would also be far too complicated to explain fully in a cable news segment.

But I would expect the Romney/Ryan campaign to have a simplified, bullet point list of advantages to their plan since it's one of the cornerstones of their campaign. Bonus points if the list is free of lies, but at this point I'll take what I can get.
 
2012-09-30 11:26:26 PM

randomjsa: As opposed to the health care plan that Obama laid out completely and perfectly before the last election along with all his other plans?


Jeez, not even you can defend the guy without resorting to b-b-b-but OBAMA!!1!

Oh, wait...that's all you ever do.

Enjoy the next four years!
 
2012-09-30 11:28:37 PM

randomjsa: As opposed to the health care plan that Obama laid out completely and perfectly before the last election along with all his other plans?


Candidate Obama laid out the basics of what he wanted in a health care reform plan. It's not his fault you only watch Fox News.
 
2012-09-30 11:55:40 PM

Somacandra: Don't Troll Me Bro!: "Shhhh. Don't you worry your pretty little head." Great.

I would pay serious money to see Romney and Ryan attempt do a skit as Barry and Levon. Maybe we they could call it "$240 billion dollars of tax cuts."

/you, get in my favorites list


I'd rather see them act out Deathfight 5000. Or better yet, the one where the father tells his son Timmy about how hard life is and they race back home, which gets ugly. I picture the teabaggers being the father, and what's left of the reasonable GOP members being the kid, trying to get back dominance of the party.

/and thank you for the favorite :)
 
2012-10-01 12:12:19 AM

Graffito: Marcus Aurelius: I think we can safely assume that his plan hoses down the middle class.

Either that or it massively increases the nation's debt.


Why not both?
 
2012-10-01 12:25:26 AM

steveGswine: red5ish: [imageshack.us image 604x452]

No, the object does not continue to move after it comes to rest.

Because it's at rest.


You know how I know you didn't notice the elephant?
 
2012-10-01 01:21:09 AM

Lionel Mandrake: randomjsa: As opposed to the health care plan that Obama laid out completely and perfectly before the last election along with all his other plans?

Jeez, not even you can defend the guy without resorting to b-b-b-but OBAMA!!1!

Oh, wait...that's all you ever do.

Enjoy the next four years!


randommotherf*cker is one of the ones I seriously think will kill himself if Romney doesn't win. I have this image of him on election night with a bottle of champagne in one hand and a .38 in the other, kind of like Martin Sheen's character in 'The Dead Zone."
 
2012-10-01 01:32:20 AM

Gyrfalcon: Lionel Mandrake: randomjsa: As opposed to the health care plan that Obama laid out completely and perfectly before the last election along with all his other plans?

Jeez, not even you can defend the guy without resorting to b-b-b-but OBAMA!!1!

Oh, wait...that's all you ever do.

Enjoy the next four years!

randommotherf*cker is one of the ones I seriously think will kill himself if Romney doesn't win. I have this image of him on election night with a bottle of champagne champale in one hand and a .38 in the other, kind of like Martin Sheen's character in 'The Dead Zone."


FTFY
 
2012-10-01 01:59:55 AM

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: KrispyKritter: laugh away. and come tax time you'll be at an accountants office or H&R Blockhead because you can't make head or tails of taxes either. more government rules shoved down your throat that you are responsible for that is so complex people make a living specializing in it.

Am I the only person who just uses Turbotax online? Takes like twenty minutes.


I fill out the form myself. I'm not giving Turbotax my money.
 
2012-10-01 04:44:57 AM
He probably has more brains in his left pinky than ObaMao has in his head. Besides The Fresh Prince of Bill Ayers got in by simply repeating "Hope and Change." He never said anything intelligent or specific, yet stupid Americans voted for him. If that piece of shiat gets in again, our country is doomed. Romney may not be the greatest, but at least he isn't a pinko.
 
2012-10-01 07:33:30 AM

twat_waffle: Harry_Seldon: Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: KrispyKritter: laugh away. and come tax time you'll be at an accountants office or H&R Blockhead because you can't make head or tails of taxes either. more government rules shoved down your throat that you are responsible for that is so complex people make a living specializing in it.

Am I the only person who just uses Turbotax online? Takes like twenty minutes.

I have been using TurboTax Online for years. I just think the whole tax preparation is too expensive. I really don't get why there is a whole expensive online tax preparation industry. The IRS could easily provide a basic online tax filing system for the vast majority of people who have simpler taxes. Of course, the entire tax code at the state and federal level is way too complicated.

H&R Block lets me do mine online for free, but I also make poverty-level wages (my annual income is only 1/3 above HHS poverty guidelines if you assume that I work 8 hours a day, five days a week. My hours sometimes get cut, and I have no paid sick time, so I don't get paid if I call in sick. They won't let me use vacation time as sick time, either) and file a 1040EZ. It is probably a completely different matter if you have dependents or you itemize your deductions...


I have dependents, 401k and other tax exempt benefits and it takes me about two hours to do both my state and federal taxes online. I prepare my taxes with Turbotax because they have excellent explanations and assistants on their site, but the cost is ridiculous (~$90 - $120) for state and federal, so I take what I get on Turbotax and file using TaxSlayer which only costs about $30 for state and federal.
 
2012-10-01 07:33:53 AM

Gyrfalcon: Lionel Mandrake: randomjsa: As opposed to the health care plan that Obama laid out completely and perfectly before the last election along with all his other plans?

Jeez, not even you can defend the guy without resorting to b-b-b-but OBAMA!!1!

Oh, wait...that's all you ever do.

Enjoy the next four years!

randommotherf*cker is one of the ones I seriously think will kill himself if Romney doesn't win. I have this image of him on election night with a bottle of champagne in one hand and a .38 in the other, kind of like Martin Sheen's character in 'The Dead Zone."


Nah, he'll just start blabbing on about how he never liked Romney anyway and he was a RINO and they need a real conservative to run next time.
 
2012-10-01 08:02:59 AM
I thought this guy was supposed to be some political mastermind.
 
2012-10-01 08:40:13 AM

The My Little Pony Killer: Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: KrispyKritter: laugh away. and come tax time you'll be at an accountants office or H&R Blockhead because you can't make head or tails of taxes either. more government rules shoved down your throat that you are responsible for that is so complex people make a living specializing in it.

Am I the only person who just uses Turbotax online? Takes like twenty minutes.

I fill out the form myself. I'm not giving Turbotax my money.


How long does it take you to do that? Time = Money. Turbo tax for married filing joint, dependants, mortgage, school loans, charitable giving took about 30 minutes for federal and state and cost me.....$50 I think.

That $50 is well worth it to save me ~3 hours of going form to form to itemize and find the right chart and all that crap. I'd rather be doing something I enjoy.
 
2012-10-01 08:48:11 AM

Mugato: quatchi: It's not complicated per se it's just dumb and immoral as hell and would be generally hated if more people knew.

People who are still going to vote for them simply don't care. There's literally nothing they could say or do at this point that would make their supporters change their mind.


I don't know if I should press smart or funny. That is so true. I've never seen a group of people so blindly supportive.

/it's not funny
 
2012-10-01 10:25:33 PM
Ryan "I've seen Atlantis."

Interviewer "Wow, really? What's it like?"

Ryan "Oh, we don't have enough time for me to describe it."
 
2012-10-02 01:59:27 AM

armoredbulldozer: He probably has more brains in his left pinky than ObaMao has in his head. Besides The Fresh Prince of Bill Ayers got in by simply repeating "Hope and Change." He never said anything intelligent or specific, yet stupid Americans voted for him. If that piece of shiat gets in again, our country is doomed. Romney may not be the greatest, but at least he isn't a pinko.


Erm, 2/10; maybe 3/10 if I grade on the curve. Gotta deduct points for outdated term "pinko." "Fresh Prince of Bill Ayers" is actually pretty good, but it's far too clever for you to have come up with it. ObaMao? Chimpy McFlightsuit was better.
 
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