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2012-09-30 07:49:11 PM

vrax: The only one I take issue with is "V". I thought it was good and getting better. It deserved another season just to tie things up, but I wouldn't want to have seen it run much beyond that.


Meh. Its first four episodes (before their first stupid hiatus) were decent and packed with potential, but then it fell completely flat and was boring as shiat for the rest of the season. The last 5 minutes of the finale were okay, as was about the first half of the season 2 premiere, but then it went back to being boring shiat again until about the last 5 minutes of the season 2 finale.

Four episodes of 'this isn't great but it has potential' plus a combined minute count of decent material adding up to approximately ONE more good one....the show was pretty shiatty, and deserved to be cancelled.
 
2012-09-30 08:28:04 PM
Ahem.

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2012-09-30 08:44:07 PM

Shadowknight: drewogatory: The girl from the new Bionic Woman was face meltingly hot, so I never understood all the vitriol directed at that show.

It was the writing. She was constantly whining about having super powers. If I woke up and sadly found myself betrayed by my fiance, yeah, it would suck. Same with finding out that my body, by large chunks, were no longer my own. But in about five minutes I would realize that I look no different, that my body can still touch and feel the same as it always had before, and now I can see for miles and crush cement blocks in my fist.

I would find it hard pressed to stay depressed once I figured out that my life was not going to change much, except now I can lift cars and see through walls. But the way they wrote the chick, she just wouldn't quit biatching about what she was now and what she is able to do. Just got annoying.

Did it even make it ten episodes? Even Buffy whined for 10 freaking episodes. And Buffy in no way looked like that. Or ran in slow motion.

 
2012-09-30 08:45:05 PM
HTML. How does it work? Sorry about that.
 
2012-09-30 09:10:08 PM

drewogatory: Shadowknight: drewogatory: The girl from the new Bionic Woman was face meltingly hot, so I never understood all the vitriol directed at that show.

It was the writing. She was constantly whining about having super powers. If I woke up and sadly found myself betrayed by my fiance, yeah, it would suck. Same with finding out that my body, by large chunks, were no longer my own. But in about five minutes I would realize that I look no different, that my body can still touch and feel the same as it always had before, and now I can see for miles and crush cement blocks in my fist.

I would find it hard pressed to stay depressed once I figured out that my life was not going to change much, except now I can lift cars and see through walls. But the way they wrote the chick, she just wouldn't quit biatching about what she was now and what she is able to do. Just got annoying.

Did it even make it ten episodes? Even Buffy whined for 10 freaking episodes. And Buffy in no way looked like that. Or ran in slow motion.


And all that isn't even considering that it was a reboot of a spin-off. Again: A Reboot Of A Spin-Off. They could have at least had a $6 Gazillion Man as a re-imagined prototype in a recurring role.
 
2012-09-30 10:10:20 PM

farkeruk: I thought the Bionic Woman remake at least tried to do something good. The original was basically Six Million Dollar Man with a vagina.

And was the V remake that bad? I saw one episode and it seemed OK.

TNG is the best remake. You watch Star Trek: TOS and remove your nostalgia and it's basically garbage.


The reason why TOS was garbage is that science fiction, back then, was treated as if it was the red headed stepchild of the genre.
 
2012-09-30 11:52:06 PM
No love for The Outer Limits reboot?
 
2012-10-01 12:45:25 AM

drewogatory: Shadowknight: drewogatory: The girl from the new Bionic Woman was face meltingly hot, so I never understood all the vitriol directed at that show.

It was the writing. She was constantly whining about having super powers. If I woke up and sadly found myself betrayed by my fiance, yeah, it would suck. Same with finding out that my body, by large chunks, were no longer my own. But in about five minutes I would realize that I look no different, that my body can still touch and feel the same as it always had before, and now I can see for miles and crush cement blocks in my fist.

I would find it hard pressed to stay depressed once I figured out that my life was not going to change much, except now I can lift cars and see through walls. But the way they wrote the chick, she just wouldn't quit biatching about what she was now and what she is able to do. Just got annoying.

Did it even make it ten episodes? Even Buffy whined for 10 freaking episodes. And Buffy in no way looked like that. Or ran in slow motion.


True, but her life was that of a teenager. You expect some amount of brooding and whining from them. And besides, that had Whedon's writing behind it which, like it or not, is never boring.
 
2012-10-01 01:49:05 AM

Vash's Apprentice: No love for The Outer Limits reboot?


I've been watching those on Chiller. Occasionally there'll be an actor I'm familiar with now (say, Saul Rubinek) and stunned how young they look, as if they were birthed into television fully grown, hairy and wrinkly as they are now. Some of those episodes are really good.

But not all of them.
 
2012-10-01 03:12:06 AM

skinink: There was absolutely no way Coupling could have succeed in the U.S. (which itself was just the U.K . version of Friends)

..which was the WASP version of 'Living Single'.
 
2012-10-01 03:16:38 AM

drewogatory: The girl from the new Bionic Woman was face meltingly hot, so I never understood all the vitriol directed at that show.


Biatch can't act. It's easier to go online to find attractive bodies with no other expectation except that they be attractive bodies.
An attractive body by itself can not carry a show anymore. Too many other avenues.
Also, her American accent was shiatty.
If you want somebody to play an American, get an American -- or at least somebody who can hold an accent.
And if they can't hold an accent, at least make it a moot point because they can act.

Katie Sackhoff owned that reboot.
Unfortunately, there wasn't enough Katie Sackhoff in the New Bionic Woman.
The premise was also bullshiat... but at least they didn't make the new chick a
nuclear scientist or marine-in-name-only.
 
2012-10-01 03:24:18 AM

vrax: The only one I take issue with is "V". I thought it was good and getting better. It deserved another season just to tie things up, but I wouldn't want to have seen it run much beyond that.


V's problem, to me, was that its series premier was too rushed (several of the reveals in that episode should have been built up over at least half a season), watching the DVDs revealed half of each season's plot line was left on the cutting room floor, and after such a rushed series premier there were too many episodes where hardly anything happened.

Oh yeah, and the resistance was basically five people. It never felt like the worldwide resistance organization the original was. By the time the Israeli got involved, it was too late -- and they still fked that up by making Erica the Head Honcho instead of the mole-for-the-good-guys she always should have been.

Other than that, I liked the characters individually. Except when Erica got hypocritical and condemned Ryan for being willing to risk everything for his half-breed daughter... while she had spent two seasons risking the entire planet for her hormonal test-tube son. Hated the priest at first, he grew on me. Loved Mother Diana when it was revealed she was a force for rationality; too bad what happened to her. She needed more plot.
 
2012-10-01 03:25:58 AM

NeoCortex42: Old enough to know better: addy2: You know what never gets mentioned in lists like this (even though "reboot" isn't correct) is the second Fantasy Island with Malcolm McDowell. It lasted only a season I think and was actually fun to watch. It had a creep quality the first one didn't and didn't rely on the thrill of seeing Donny Most in something besides Happy Days.

Okay, so it wasn't just me then. All I remember are bits and pieces. Like how they went for a "Be careful what you wish for." kind of vibe. And that they replaced Tatoo with a snobby gay butler and a stupid fat guy.

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The show wasn't half-bad. Every episode was basically "be careful what you wish for", but it was still enjoyable week to week.


That was the version where Mr. Rourke was heavily implied to be a very fallen angel, right?
 
2012-10-01 08:23:06 AM
Yes!

Rourke was just fun in that one. I really wanted to see how far they would go with it, but it was ABC, right? At the time they were pretty tame.
 
2012-10-01 09:07:17 AM
The only thing I want to see Andy Dick in is a snuff film
 
2012-10-01 09:09:24 AM

Crewmannumber6: The only thing I want to see Andy Dick in is a snuff film


And I want to see Jon Lovitz as a chainsaw-wielding psychopath ! Maybe our different interests could work for the best.
 
2012-10-01 09:59:35 AM
Replace V with this

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2012-10-01 10:13:40 AM
Dont know if anyone else said this.. But Star Trek The Next Generation was NOT a reboot. It was a continuation of the established continuity. Now the new movie IS a reboot of Star Trek The Original Series. It is more a spin off series.
 
2012-10-01 10:28:06 AM

ExperianScaresCthulhu: That was the version where Mr. Rourke was heavily implied to be a very fallen angel, right?


Yep. He switched from always wearing a black suit to a white one. There were a lot of hints of a mysterious past and all of his servants on the island were basically there to pay off past debts to him for help.

I looked it up on Wiki and can't believe it only lasted 13 episodes. I could have sworn it had lasted at least a season.
 
2012-10-01 10:29:24 AM

yves0010: Dont know if anyone else said this.. But Star Trek The Next Generation was NOT a reboot. It was a continuation of the established continuity. Now the new movie IS a reboot of Star Trek The Original Series. It is more a spin off series.


Technically, the new movie is a continuation as well due to the presence of old-Spock. It's simply a new timeline in the same universe.
 
2012-10-01 10:32:07 AM

NeoCortex42: Technically, the new movie is a continuation as well due to the presence of old-Spock. It's simply a new timeline in the same universe.


Eh, a loophole to not piss off the Trek purists. It's a reboot in every way that matters.
 
2012-10-01 10:54:13 AM

NeoCortex42: yves0010: Dont know if anyone else said this.. But Star Trek The Next Generation was NOT a reboot. It was a continuation of the established continuity. Now the new movie IS a reboot of Star Trek The Original Series. It is more a spin off series.

Technically, the new movie is a continuation as well due to the presence of old-Spock. It's simply a new timeline in the same universe.


It is technically both presented in one. For those new to the Star Trek universe. It is a good jumping in point and you do not really have to worry about all the continuity. For Trek Fans, it is a continuation due to the time travel effect and rewriting history. Only issue I have with the new movie series is, the events that happened would of been stopped by the Starfleet Temporal Corps. The timeline was polluted and they did not do a thing about it? That right there is BS.
 
2012-10-01 11:00:40 AM

Mid_mo_mad_man: bhcompy: BSG is the best remake ever. Hands down. It both far surpasses the original and was also one of the best and most thought provoking dramas on television at the time.

TNG is not a remake. It is farking stupendously awesome, but not a remake.

We all know Enterprise is the best Trek reboot/spin off


If you are talking about seasons 3 and 4 (except the horrifying finale that retconned everything away), then yes, yes it was.
 
2012-10-01 11:16:47 AM

luidprand: Mid_mo_mad_man: bhcompy: BSG is the best remake ever. Hands down. It both far surpasses the original and was also one of the best and most thought provoking dramas on television at the time.

TNG is not a remake. It is farking stupendously awesome, but not a remake.

We all know Enterprise is the best Trek reboot/spin off

If you are talking about seasons 3 and 4 (except the horrifying finale that retconned everything away), then yes, yes it was.


I liked how the series began with them just exploring and causing problems and having to fix it as well as the whole Terra Prime story arch. Way better then the entire time war story arch and the Xindi attack on Earth.
 
2012-10-01 11:45:26 AM

yves0010: NeoCortex42: yves0010: Dont know if anyone else said this.. But Star Trek The Next Generation was NOT a reboot. It was a continuation of the established continuity. Now the new movie IS a reboot of Star Trek The Original Series. It is more a spin off series.

Technically, the new movie is a continuation as well due to the presence of old-Spock. It's simply a new timeline in the same universe.

It is technically both presented in one. For those new to the Star Trek universe. It is a good jumping in point and you do not really have to worry about all the continuity. For Trek Fans, it is a continuation due to the time travel effect and rewriting history. Only issue I have with the new movie series is, the events that happened would of been stopped by the Starfleet Temporal Corps. The timeline was polluted and they did not do a thing about it? That right there is BS.


The Temporal Corps is the least of the problems with the movie. I enjoyed it well enough as an action sci-fi movie, but there were a ton of things I didn't care for. Kirk suddenly jumping to Captain probably being the worst. "Oh, the old captain told you you could captain the ship? Tough shiat. That's why we have a first officer, and a second officer, and a rank system that makes it very clear who's in charge."
 
2012-10-01 12:26:20 PM

yves0010: Only issue I have with the new movie series is, the events that happened would of been stopped by the Starfleet Temporal Corps. The timeline was polluted and they did not do a thing about it? That right there is BS.


That can be true of any time travel story in Star Trek where the crew has to go back and fix what they or someone else farked up. If there really were Time Cops who fixed every time travel incursion, there would be no time travel episodes. In short, the Time Corps was a bad idea.

NeoCortex42: but there were a ton of things I didn't care for. Kirk suddenly jumping to Captain probably being the worst


...and Spock jettisonning Kirk onto Hoth where he just happens to run into Spock 1.0 oh, and Scotty. It was somewhat sloppily written but I know how passionate people can get about any criticisms of New Trek and I don't want to go there. If this movie franchise gives us another Trek TV show, I'm for it. I miss the '90s, when there was always at least one, sometimes two Trek shows on the air.
 
2012-10-01 01:11:31 PM

Mugato:

...and Spock jettisonning Kirk onto Hoth where he just happens to run into Spock 1.0 oh, and Scotty. It was somewhat sloppily written but I know how passionate people can get about any criticisms of New Trek and I don't want to go there. If this movie franchise gives us another Trek TV show, I'm for it. I miss the '90s, when there was always at least one, sometimes two Trek shows on the air.


Convenient plot turns have been a hallmark of Star Trek since the beginning. More importantly, Nimoy added a great deal of weight to the movie with his role and it was perfect, and Scotty was introduced in a great way that showcased his capabilities. The movie isn't above criticism, but criticizing Star Trek for making certain plot turns convenient is a poor criticism, considering how often that happens(reverse the polarity! setup a transmission that somehow communicates to Data through a temporal causality loop! etc)
 
2012-10-01 07:35:34 PM
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2012-10-02 12:16:51 AM

bhcompy: Mugato:

...and Spock jettisonning Kirk onto Hoth where he just happens to run into Spock 1.0 oh, and Scotty. It was somewhat sloppily written but I know how passionate people can get about any criticisms of New Trek and I don't want to go there. If this movie franchise gives us another Trek TV show, I'm for it. I miss the '90s, when there was always at least one, sometimes two Trek shows on the air.

Convenient plot turns have been a hallmark of Star Trek since the beginning. More importantly, Nimoy added a great deal of weight to the movie with his role and it was perfect, and Scotty was introduced in a great way that showcased his capabilities. The movie isn't above criticism, but criticizing Star Trek for making certain plot turns convenient is a poor criticism, considering how often that happens(reverse the polarity! setup a transmission that somehow communicates to Data through a temporal causality loop! etc)


Not to beat a dead horse or anything, but since someone else brought it up......


Kirk going from Cadet to Captain is most certainly not a convenient plot twist- it's bad storytelling and easily one of the four or five dumbest things ever depicted in the Star Trek franchise.
 
2012-10-02 12:53:55 AM

Your_Huckleberry: bhcompy: Mugato:

...and Spock jettisonning Kirk onto Hoth where he just happens to run into Spock 1.0 oh, and Scotty. It was somewhat sloppily written but I know how passionate people can get about any criticisms of New Trek and I don't want to go there. If this movie franchise gives us another Trek TV show, I'm for it. I miss the '90s, when there was always at least one, sometimes two Trek shows on the air.

Convenient plot turns have been a hallmark of Star Trek since the beginning. More importantly, Nimoy added a great deal of weight to the movie with his role and it was perfect, and Scotty was introduced in a great way that showcased his capabilities. The movie isn't above criticism, but criticizing Star Trek for making certain plot turns convenient is a poor criticism, considering how often that happens(reverse the polarity! setup a transmission that somehow communicates to Data through a temporal causality loop! etc)

Not to beat a dead horse or anything, but since someone else brought it up......


Kirk going from Cadet to Captain is most certainly not a convenient plot twist- it's bad storytelling and easily one of the four or five dumbest things ever depicted in the Star Trek franchise.


Battlefield promotions are not unprecedented, but are typically revisited after hostilities cease, which is the only real concern. Plus, it's Kirk. You deal with it because of prior knowledge, destiny, whatever
 
2012-10-02 01:18:06 AM

bhcompy: Your_Huckleberry: bhcompy: Mugato:

...and Spock jettisonning Kirk onto Hoth where he just happens to run into Spock 1.0 oh, and Scotty. It was somewhat sloppily written but I know how passionate people can get about any criticisms of New Trek and I don't want to go there. If this movie franchise gives us another Trek TV show, I'm for it. I miss the '90s, when there was always at least one, sometimes two Trek shows on the air.

Convenient plot turns have been a hallmark of Star Trek since the beginning. More importantly, Nimoy added a great deal of weight to the movie with his role and it was perfect, and Scotty was introduced in a great way that showcased his capabilities. The movie isn't above criticism, but criticizing Star Trek for making certain plot turns convenient is a poor criticism, considering how often that happens(reverse the polarity! setup a transmission that somehow communicates to Data through a temporal causality loop! etc)

Not to beat a dead horse or anything, but since someone else brought it up......


Kirk going from Cadet to Captain is most certainly not a convenient plot twist- it's bad storytelling and easily one of the four or five dumbest things ever depicted in the Star Trek franchise.

Battlefield promotions are not unprecedented, but are typically revisited after hostilities cease, which is the only real concern. Plus, it's Kirk. You deal with it because of prior knowledge, destiny, whatever


Where's Spock's Battlefield Promotion? He's the one who actually saved the Earth. Kirk pulled off a mutany and moved up five steps in rank and skipped over maybe thousands of other officers. Solid day for him.

Really, it's pretty straightforward. They wanted the crew in place at the end of this movie. They wanted the crew to be roughly the same age. Therefore, unless they wanted to do a second "three/ten years later" scroll, the story had to have Kirk spring out of the Academy and into the Captain's chair. Simple.
 
2012-10-02 08:39:41 AM

Your_Huckleberry: bhcompy: Your_Huckleberry: bhcompy: Mugato:

...and Spock jettisonning Kirk onto Hoth where he just happens to run into Spock 1.0 oh, and Scotty. It was somewhat sloppily written but I know how passionate people can get about any criticisms of New Trek and I don't want to go there. If this movie franchise gives us another Trek TV show, I'm for it. I miss the '90s, when there was always at least one, sometimes two Trek shows on the air.

Convenient plot turns have been a hallmark of Star Trek since the beginning. More importantly, Nimoy added a great deal of weight to the movie with his role and it was perfect, and Scotty was introduced in a great way that showcased his capabilities. The movie isn't above criticism, but criticizing Star Trek for making certain plot turns convenient is a poor criticism, considering how often that happens(reverse the polarity! setup a transmission that somehow communicates to Data through a temporal causality loop! etc)

Not to beat a dead horse or anything, but since someone else brought it up......


Kirk going from Cadet to Captain is most certainly not a convenient plot twist- it's bad storytelling and easily one of the four or five dumbest things ever depicted in the Star Trek franchise.

Battlefield promotions are not unprecedented, but are typically revisited after hostilities cease, which is the only real concern. Plus, it's Kirk. You deal with it because of prior knowledge, destiny, whatever

Where's Spock's Battlefield Promotion? He's the one who actually saved the Earth. Kirk pulled off a mutany and moved up five steps in rank and skipped over maybe thousands of other officers. Solid day for him.

Really, it's pretty straightforward. They wanted the crew in place at the end of this movie. They wanted the crew to be roughly the same age. Therefore, unless they wanted to do a second "three/ten years later" scroll, the story had to have Kirk spring out of the Academy and into the Captain's chair. Simple.


Do not forget that in the movie, Spock was thinking of resigning and joining what was left of the Vulcans as, what seemed to me, a high level position or something like that. He could of easily passed on the promotion or even recommended Kirk into getting that Promotion. Heck, even Pike could of done it to. There was a lot going on that was off screen in that movie.
 
2012-10-03 11:11:25 AM
I liked the "Small Wonder" reboot named "The Sarah Connor Chronicles".
 
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