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(Live Science)   No, New Jersey, you cannot have Staten Island back   (livescience.com) divider line 57
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2012-09-30 09:32:13 AM
I think I speak for many in NYC when I say we would be fine with them taking Staten Island. We could trade it for Hoboken or Jersey City, maybe both.
 
2012-09-30 09:36:51 AM
Yeup.
 
2012-09-30 09:43:45 AM
We'll take Staten Island if we get Liberty Island and Ellis Island (both of which are actually surrounded by New Jersey waters) as part of the deal.

And only if we then get to blow Staten Island up.
 
2012-09-30 10:21:08 AM

Ennuipoet: I think I speak for many in NYC when I say we would be fine with them taking Staten Island. We could trade it for Hoboken or Jersey City, maybe both.


No way, then they'd get the billions and billions of taxes and fees that will be generated from the new wheel thingy.
 
2012-09-30 10:34:39 AM
why would we want it?
 
2012-09-30 10:41:07 AM

RminusQ: We'll take Staten Island if we get Liberty Island and Ellis Island (both of which are actually surrounded by New Jersey waters) as part of the deal.


Most of Ellis Island is in New Jersey anyway. Almost all of the main building (what we picture when we think of Ellis Island) except for one wall, a similar chunk of the Kitchen/Restaurant/Bath House, plus a third of the dormitory/baggage building, a third of the Bakery/Carpenter Shop, and about a quarter of the Powder Shop are all that are actually in New York. Everything else, which is about 3/4 of the island, is fill and part of New Jersey.
 
2012-09-30 11:47:57 AM

FriarReb98: Most of Ellis Island is in New Jersey anyway. Almost all of the main building (what we picture when we think of Ellis Island) except for one wall, a similar chunk of the Kitchen/Restaurant/Bath House, plus a third of the dormitory/baggage building, a third of the Bakery/Carpenter Shop, and about a quarter of the Powder Shop are all that are actually in New York. Everything else, which is about 3/4 of the island, is fill and part of New Jersey.


Yeah, but i doubt you had many immigrants sailing west saying "gee, I cant wait till we get to New Jersey!"

NJ is a place you end up. Its not a place you go to.
 
2012-09-30 12:03:30 PM
Can you just take the people? The Island itself if quite nice.
 
2012-09-30 12:04:05 PM

PC LOAD LETTER: Can you just take the people? The Island itself if quite nice.


Yes, I mean apart from the Dump
 
2012-09-30 12:19:03 PM

LemSkroob: FriarReb98: Most of Ellis Island is in New Jersey anyway. Almost all of the main building (what we picture when we think of Ellis Island) except for one wall, a similar chunk of the Kitchen/Restaurant/Bath House, plus a third of the dormitory/baggage building, a third of the Bakery/Carpenter Shop, and about a quarter of the Powder Shop are all that are actually in New York. Everything else, which is about 3/4 of the island, is fill and part of New Jersey.

Yeah, but i doubt you had many immigrants sailing west saying "gee, I cant wait till we get to New Jersey!"

NJ is a place you end up. Its not a place you go to.


This.
 
2012-09-30 12:53:53 PM
My favorite LOLworthy state border is DE/NJ.... DE owns up the high-tide line on the NJ shore of the Delaware river. If you stand on the waterline in low tide, you are in delaware.

That, and the 12-miles-circle
Link
 
2012-09-30 01:16:15 PM
I still like Kaskaskia, Illinois only place in Illinois that is west of the Mississippi River. Residents have an Illinois drivers license, but have a Missouri mailing address because Missouri handles the mail there.
 
2012-09-30 01:45:09 PM

xsarien: LemSkroob: FriarReb98: Most of Ellis Island is in New Jersey anyway. Almost all of the main building (what we picture when we think of Ellis Island) except for one wall, a similar chunk of the Kitchen/Restaurant/Bath House, plus a third of the dormitory/baggage building, a third of the Bakery/Carpenter Shop, and about a quarter of the Powder Shop are all that are actually in New York. Everything else, which is about 3/4 of the island, is fill and part of New Jersey.

Yeah, but i doubt you had many immigrants sailing west saying "gee, I cant wait till we get to New Jersey!"

NJ is a place you end up. Its not a place you go to.

This.


Obviously you've never been to the Jersey Shore in the summer. I live here so I can safely tell you that judging by the number of NY license plates I see every year between May and September we probably import/export the entire population of all five boroughs of NY (save Manhattanites who tend to prefer the Hamptons) during that time span. So you see, you're wrong. NJ is indeed a place people 'go to', and thank heavens most of that crew doesn't 'end up' here. Being the most densely populated State in the US we don't really have room for many more people. Oh, and on behalf of us shore residents I would like to thank the people of New York for providing us with Snooki and the rest of the "Jersey Shore" cast who inserted additional untold millions of dollars into our economy for however long that show ran. Over time New York contributions to the shore have allowed my family to live in the same house for 24 years by helping to keep taxes in check. That would be this same (paid off) house that I'm posting from that's worth about 100 grand more today than we paid for it back in 1988. But what I'm most thankful for is the fact that come September of EVERY YEAR ... you all go home.

/See ya next year!
// Real Estate is ALL ABOUT location.
/// Size doesn't matter
//// Haters gonna hate
 
2012-09-30 01:59:53 PM
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Indian givers.....

/me smoke-em peace pipe
 
2012-09-30 02:00:41 PM

PhDemented: My favorite LOLworthy state border is DE/NJ.... DE owns up the high-tide line on the NJ shore of the Delaware river. If you stand on the waterline in low tide, you are in delaware. will probably dissolve.


FTFY.
 
2012-09-30 02:06:03 PM

Limac333: I still like Kaskaskia, Illinois only place in Illinois that is west of the Mississippi River. Residents have an Illinois drivers license, but have a Missouri mailing address because Missouri handles the mail there.


I'll bet there's a lot of little places like that along the Mississippi, where the river changed course and left little unattached chunks of the state on the other side of the river.
 
2012-09-30 02:37:40 PM
If it wasn't for NJs trash, Staten Island would still be open ocean.
 
2012-09-30 02:47:01 PM

Limac333: I still like Kaskaskia, Illinois only place in Illinois that is west of the Mississippi River. Residents have an Illinois drivers license, but have a Missouri mailing address because Missouri handles the mail there.


Ellis Park racetrack is in Kentucky, and on the North side of the Ohio River.
 
2012-09-30 02:50:00 PM

Robo Beat: Limac333: I still like Kaskaskia, Illinois only place in Illinois that is west of the Mississippi River. Residents have an Illinois drivers license, but have a Missouri mailing address because Missouri handles the mail there.

I'll bet there's a lot of little places like that along the Mississippi, where the river changed course and left little unattached chunks of the state on the other side of the river.


Part of Fulton County, KY can only be reached by boat, or by driving through part of Tennessee.
 
2012-09-30 03:00:05 PM

PhDemented: My favorite LOLworthy state border is DE/NJ.... DE owns up the high-tide line on the NJ shore of the Delaware river. If you stand on the waterline in low tide, you are in delaware.

That, and the 12-miles-circle
Link


Or the Northwest Angle in Minnesota. The border was defined in the Treaty of Paris as "...through the Lake of the Woods to the northwestern most point thereof, ...." but no one actually knew where that was. When they finally did survey - they discovered the "northwestern most point thereof" was quite a bit more north than they realized and remains the only part of the continental United States above the 49th parallel.

/mapping errors fascinate me
 
2012-09-30 03:15:17 PM
I know nothing of New York. Why do people not like Staten Island?
 
2012-09-30 03:32:28 PM

Frank N Stein: I know nothing of New York. Why do people not like Staten Island?


OK, imagine an island populated entirely by the cast of Jersey Shore (in fact, three of them were actually from Staten Island). Now make it smell.
 
2012-09-30 03:46:22 PM
Borders not set in stone. Actually, Staten Island's are set in water.

We never belonged to NJ. There was a dispute that was settled by a sailboat circumnavigating SI. It had 24 hours to do so. Failing that the island would go to NJ.

Don't confuse the N part of the island with that S of New Dorp Lane (our Mason-Dixon Line).
 
2012-09-30 03:52:43 PM

Limac333: I still like Kaskaskia, Illinois only place in Illinois that is west of the Mississippi River. Residents have an Illinois drivers license, but have a Missouri mailing address because Missouri handles the mail there.


No State handles the mail. USPS handles the mail, and USPS is a federal agency not beholden to any sub-federal jurisdictions. They try to maintain the system of delivery in respect to existing jurisdictions, but the needs of efficiency don't allow them to promise that. In many cases, residents receive mail from "a different place," though from USPS's perspective, it's all the same place: The United States. This means that sometimes, people will have a different ZIP than the majority of their neighbours in the same jurisdiction, but that's irrelevant to their citizenship. As for how you deal with credit card companies and the like in such cases, I've no idea.
 
2012-09-30 03:55:03 PM

Robo Beat: Limac333: I still like Kaskaskia, Illinois only place in Illinois that is west of the Mississippi River. Residents have an Illinois drivers license, but have a Missouri mailing address because Missouri handles the mail there.

I'll bet there's a lot of little places like that along the Mississippi, where the river changed course and left little unattached chunks of the state on the other side of the river.


What I've been told is that in most cases, if the river changes course suddenly (which I'm taking to mean in one season), the original boundaries remain fixed; but if changes gradually, the border moves with it. In Kaskasia's case, the shift was sudden, leaving the original border intact, and rendering the village an enclave.
 
2012-09-30 04:17:12 PM

Robo Beat: Limac333: I still like Kaskaskia, Illinois only place in Illinois that is west of the Mississippi River. Residents have an Illinois drivers license, but have a Missouri mailing address because Missouri handles the mail there.

I'll bet there's a lot of little places like that along the Mississippi, where the river changed course and left little unattached chunks of the state on the other side of the river.


Same thing happened at Carter Lake Iowa. An Iowa town found itself on the Nebraska side of the Missouri River after the river changed course following a flood.
 
2012-09-30 04:18:21 PM
Gah, link fail.

Carter Lake
 
2012-09-30 04:50:21 PM
The only thing of value that Staten Island has ever given the world was most of the Wu Tang Clan.
 
2012-09-30 04:52:09 PM

AllYourFarkAreBelongToMe: Obviously you've never been to the Jersey Shore in the summer. I live here so I can safely tell you that judging by the number of NY license plates I see every year between May and September we probably import/export the entire population of all five boroughs of NY (save Manhattanites who tend to prefer the Hamptons) during that time span. So you see, you're wrong. NJ is indeed a place people 'go to', and thank heavens most of that crew doesn't 'end up' here. Being the most densely populated State in the US we don't really have room for many more people. Oh, and on behalf of us shore residents I would like to thank the people of New York for providing us with Snooki and the rest of the "Jersey Shore" cast who inserted additional untold millions of dollars into our economy for however long that show ran. Over time New York contributions to the shore have allowed my family to live in the same house for 24 years by helping to keep taxes in check. That would be this same (paid off) house that I'm posting from that's worth about 100 grand more today than we paid for it back in 1988. But what I'm most thankful for is the fact that come September of EVERY YEAR ... you all go home.


Wow, 100 grand of valuation in 24 years... thats some shrewd investing.

We get a lot more of New Jersey garbage coming to the city throughout the year than you get New York garbage, but keep on trying to convince yourself that your state isn't a shiathole with a fat fark who can't find clothes that fit him at the helm..
 
2012-09-30 07:26:33 PM
Please take it. Thank you.
 
2012-09-30 08:21:04 PM
As a resident of NJ : Keep it, and all the other scumbag trash you farkwads bring to the shore in NY. You NY scumbags have been dumping your filth, be it garbage or white trash, in our state for too long. Stay the fark home, scumbags. 


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2012-09-30 09:25:55 PM

Quigs: As a resident of NJ : Keep it, and all the other scumbag trash you farkwads bring to the shore in NY. You NY scumbags have been dumping your filth, be it garbage or white trash, in our state for too long. Stay the fark home, scumbags. 


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Please shoot them, either you kill them and you rid of of some of our trash, or they fight back and rid us of some B&T people... either way, win-win.
 
2012-09-30 10:12:52 PM

Quigs: As a resident of NJ : Keep it, and all the other scumbag trash you farkwads bring to the shore in NY. You NY scumbags have been dumping your filth, be it garbage or white trash, in our state for too long. Stay the fark home, scumbags. 


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2012-09-30 10:58:10 PM

Manfred J. Hattan: PhDemented: My favorite LOLworthy state border is DE/NJ.... DE owns up the high-tide line on the NJ shore of the Delaware river. If you stand on the waterline in low tide, you are in delaware. will probably dissolve.

FTFY.


I didn't say it was a smart thing to do

/parents told me when they were in high school, they used to cross the bridge during low tide and drink, as the NJ cops couldn't touch them and the DE cops didn't patrol there.
 
2012-10-01 12:05:07 AM

AllYourFarkAreBelongToMe:


Obviously you've never been to the Jersey Shore in the summer.


You are right. I havent. I also don't own Ed Hardy clothing or self-tanner.

being the most densely populated State in the US we don't really have room for many more people.

You state is populated for two reasons. Philly and NYC. Both sharing the common trait of not being in NJ. Lets face it. New Jersey relies on other states for its survival. Basically, its a parasite.

Oh, and on behalf of us shore residents I would like to thank the people of New York for providing us with Snooki and the rest of the "Jersey Shore" cast who inserted additional untold millions of dollars into our economy for however long that show ran. Over time New York contributions to the shore have allowed my family to live in the same house for 24 years by helping to keep taxes in check. That would be this same (paid off) house that I'm posting from that's worth about 100 grand more today than we paid for it back in 1988.


Well, at least you can admit that you are a parasite. The reason most of the scum on the earth go to NJ to party is because that kind of shiat isnt tolerated back in NY, Philly, etc. NJ basically whores itself out and takes the abuse. Really something to be proud of there.

100 grand gain over 25 years? Thats a pretty awful return. You can flip an apartment here for that in only a few months time.
 
2012-10-01 12:07:46 AM

Quigs: As a resident of NJ : Keep it, and all the other scumbag trash you farkwads bring to the shore in NY. You NY scumbags have been dumping your filth, be it garbage or white trash, in our state for too long. Stay the fark home, scumbags. 


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Fine, then your residents cant go to other cities to find work (NYC, Philly). Good luck with that job market then.
 
2012-10-01 12:36:19 AM

LemSkroob: Quigs: As a resident of NJ : Keep it, and all the other scumbag trash you farkwads bring to the shore in NY. You NY scumbags have been dumping your filth, be it garbage or white trash, in our state for too long. Stay the fark home, scumbags. 


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Fine, then your residents cant go to other cities to find work (NYC, Philly). Good luck with that job market then.


Let's make a deal. NYC gets everything north of New Brunswick, Penn gets everything south, and Delaware can suck a fat one. All politicians face exile into NYC, save Christie. I got a soft spot for the fat man. He got elected saying he'd stop the school system bullshiat, and he sure enough did.
 
2012-10-01 08:44:57 AM
Although the article did bring up valid points of geo-political ambiguity and has stirred some useful discussion here, something seemed off about it when I was reading it. I felt like there was an under message being carefully slipped in with useful information. Like a subtle voice under the words trying the Bela Lugosi hand on me.

So I click one of the side links on parenting and went through that article and any article is self linked to. Then I started to get a distinctly nasty feeling after the second self linked article. I felt like the whole site was trying to drop a carefully constructed reality on me. It was at this point I knew it was a form of propaganda.

After a mild bit of searching I found out that the site is owned by a company based in Ogden Utah called Tech Media Network. They own space.com, lifeslittlemysteries.com, www.ouramazingplanet.com, www.businessnewsdaily.com among several others (go to Google for more info). Most of them seem like sensible business grabs to hold together to run mutual linking to each other and advertisements. Then you look and some of the articles are quite off for the topic.

\folds tin foil hat
 
2012-10-01 09:36:55 AM
As someone who works in NYC, and lives in NJ:

For the same price someone pays for a shoebox studio in a crrumbling building in Brooklyn, I have a nice 3 bedroom apartment. And a backyard. And half the commute.

/I'm happy with the way things are.
//And want no part of Staten Island
 
2012-10-01 09:58:59 AM

fang06554: As someone who works in NYC, and lives in NJ:


That seems to be where NJs high unemployment comes from, NJ being a commuter state and all.

We sold the family row house (limestone, not brownstone) in Brooklyn years ago for 1.2 million and put the money in the bank because we already lived in a 3500 square foot NJ Mcmansion that we bought for 250k.

I don;t understand why people are proud of their stupidity for shelling out over a million dollars for a 1500 square foot house with no yard and 9 foot wide rooms.....maybe its like gun owner inadequecy thing and the people paying top dollar for NY real estate have small penises.
 
2012-10-01 10:29:27 AM

Giltric: I don;t understand why people are proud of their stupidity for shelling out over a million dollars for a 1500 square foot house with no yard and 9 foot wide rooms.....maybe its like gun owner inadequecy thing and the people paying top dollar for NY real estate have small penises.


I don't understand why people are proud of their stupidity for people living in boring ass suburbs in order to have far more house than anyone needs.

fark, 1500 square feet? We don't have kids, we don't even need that much. You pay for location, my joint in Brooklyn is near good bars, restaraunts, etc. and is 15 minutes door to door in the fidi. Thanks, I'll take that over having a farking Yard to deal with and a bunch of rooms I don't farking need to heat and having to have a car.
 
2012-10-01 10:36:20 AM
NJ can take everything south of I-278. That solves the problems of the guidos, russians, and wild turkeys, and preserves the awesome Sri Lankan food, Liberian grocery stores, and Enoteca Maria.
 
2012-10-01 10:41:31 AM

dumbobruni: NJ can take everything south of I-278. That solves the problems of the guidos, russians, and wild turkeys, and preserves the awesome Sri Lankan food, Liberian grocery stores, and Enoteca Maria.


Sorry, it's all or nothing when you take a hex, Sid said so.
 
2012-10-01 10:56:15 AM

Manfred J. Hattan: Frank N Stein: I know nothing of New York. Why do people not like Staten Island?

OK, imagine an island populated entirely by the cast of Jersey Shore (in fact, three of them were actually from Staten Island). Now make it smell.


this is so not true it is not even funny. yes staten island has alot of Guidos but a lage chunk of the island is nothing like the ass clowns you see on TV. and as for the smell ... the dump has been closed since 2000, and there is no smell. The only smell that there is now wafts over the water from NJ. your generalizations of staten island are outdated, time to find some new material.
 
2012-10-01 02:04:36 PM

lilplatinum: Giltric: I don;t understand why people are proud of their stupidity for shelling out over a million dollars for a 1500 square foot house with no yard and 9 foot wide rooms.....maybe its like gun owner inadequecy thing and the people paying top dollar for NY real estate have small penises.

I don't understand why people are proud of their stupidity for people living in boring ass suburbs in order to have far more house than anyone needs.

fark, 1500 square feet? We don't have kids, we don't even need that much. You pay for location, my joint in Brooklyn is near good bars, restaraunts, etc. and is 15 minutes door to door in the fidi. Thanks, I'll take that over having a farking Yard to deal with and a bunch of rooms I don't farking need to heat and having to have a car.


we needed more house then we had so we sold the McMansion for 650k and bought a place in PA for $2.5m I now have way more house than I need and a carbon footprint so large that a species goes extinct everytime the thermostat kicks on.

The bar thing was cool when I was younger but people grow up. Farrells was a block away on 16th street and I used yo buy beer for .35 cents then the hipsters moved in and Farrells started to take advantage of the crowd that likes to pay 1400% more on something just to impress themselves.

I have 300 acres of peace and quiet now, a brew lab in the basement, a rifle range, a go cart course for the grand kids, 3 ponds totalling 20 acres that are stocked with trout, perch and large mouth bass. More organic free range whitetail than a person could eat in a lifetime. Greenhouse for year round fresh veggies and my nearest neighbor is a half mile away so I don't have to listen to their shiatty music or the hipsters and their 2 minute sexual escapades like when I lived in Brooklyn or NJ

My door to door commute is about 3 minutes via Gator since I moved my equipment yard to the back 40, and the arcreage that is farmed keeps my property taxes below 100k.

To each their own I guess.
 
2012-10-01 02:52:10 PM
If you want to see a Staten Islander explode, refer to it as East Bayonne, NJ.
 
2012-10-01 04:08:50 PM

PhDemented: My favorite LOLworthy state border is DE/NJ.... DE owns up the high-tide line on the NJ shore of the Delaware river. If you stand on the waterline in low tide, you are in delaware.

That, and the 12-miles-circle
Link


State borders are important when your tiny state's revenue strategy is to gouge drivers between Washington, DC and Philadelphia. Fortunately the state is too stupid to prevent people from driving on surface roads for that ten mile stretch.
 
2012-10-01 05:02:22 PM

lilplatinum: Giltric: I don;t understand why people are proud of their stupidity for shelling out over a million dollars for a 1500 square foot house with no yard and 9 foot wide rooms.....maybe its like gun owner inadequecy thing and the people paying top dollar for NY real estate have small penises.

I don't understand why people are proud of their stupidity for people living in boring ass suburbs in order to have far more house than anyone needs.

fark, 1500 square feet? We don't have kids, we don't even need that much. You pay for location, my joint in Brooklyn is near good bars, restaraunts, etc. and is 15 minutes door to door in the fidi. Thanks, I'll take that over having a farking Yard to deal with and a bunch of rooms I don't farking need to heat and having to have a car.


You sound poor and jealous.
 
2012-10-01 05:20:17 PM

Syphilis_Smile: lilplatinum: Giltric: I don;t understand why people are proud of their stupidity for shelling out over a million dollars for a 1500 square foot house with no yard and 9 foot wide rooms.....maybe its like gun owner inadequecy thing and the people paying top dollar for NY real estate have small penises.

I don't understand why people are proud of their stupidity for people living in boring ass suburbs in order to have far more house than anyone needs.

fark, 1500 square feet? We don't have kids, we don't even need that much. You pay for location, my joint in Brooklyn is near good bars, restaraunts, etc. and is 15 minutes door to door in the fidi. Thanks, I'll take that over having a farking Yard to deal with and a bunch of rooms I don't farking need to heat and having to have a car.

You sound poor and jealous.


Yeah, Park Slope is practically Haiti.
 
2012-10-01 05:23:14 PM

Giltric: lilplatinum: Giltric: I don;t understand why people are proud of their stupidity for shelling out over a million dollars for a 1500 square foot house with no yard and 9 foot wide rooms.....maybe its like gun owner inadequecy thing and the people paying top dollar for NY real estate have small penises.

I don't understand why people are proud of their stupidity for people living in boring ass suburbs in order to have far more house than anyone needs.

fark, 1500 square feet? We don't have kids, we don't even need that much. You pay for location, my joint in Brooklyn is near good bars, restaraunts, etc. and is 15 minutes door to door in the fidi. Thanks, I'll take that over having a farking Yard to deal with and a bunch of rooms I don't farking need to heat and having to have a car.

we needed more house then we had so we sold the McMansion for 650k and bought a place in PA for $2.5m I now have way more house than I need and a carbon footprint so large that a species goes extinct everytime the thermostat kicks on.

The bar thing was cool when I was younger but people grow up. Farrells was a block away on 16th street and I used yo buy beer for .35 cents then the hipsters moved in and Farrells started to take advantage of the crowd that likes to pay 1400% more on something just to impress themselves.

I have 300 acres of peace and quiet now, a brew lab in the basement, a rifle range, a go cart course for the grand kids, 3 ponds totalling 20 acres that are stocked with trout, perch and large mouth bass. More organic free range whitetail than a person could eat in a lifetime. Greenhouse for year round fresh veggies and my nearest neighbor is a half mile away so I don't have to listen to their shiatty music or the hipsters and their 2 minute sexual escapades like when I lived in Brooklyn or NJ

My door to door commute is about 3 minutes via Gator since I moved my equipment yard to the back 40, and the arcreage that is farmed keeps my property taxes below 100k.

To eac ...


Sounds like hell on earth IMO. fark rural and fark being far away from humanity or not being in an urban area. I did my time in bumfark alaska and in rich Suburban bubble land, I will take urban life over either any day of the week.

But to each their own.
 
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