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2012-09-30 11:50:21 AM
img0.fark.net Really??? That's the source? I guessing they're having a collective thrill running down their legs. Hope it not piss.

/wet clean up isle 5.
 
2012-09-30 11:50:32 AM

machodonkeywrestler: It's not and was never presented as and excuse nor as a information that would make the GOP's voter fraud excusable. It's more just picking on the GOP's hypocrisy, not anything that anyone would use as a valid argument.


Looks like you need a definition of Tu Quoque.

Party Boy: Go on about how the "B-b-b-b-b-b-b-but ACORN" argument is somehow not a Tu Quoque (a subset of a red herring)


Tu Quoque is a very common fallacy in which one attempts to defend oneself or another from criticism by turning the critique back against the accuser. This is a classic Red Herring since whether the accuser is guilty of the same, or a similar, wrong is irrelevant to the truth of the original charge. However, as a diversionary tactic, Tu Quoque can be very effective, since the accuser is put on the defensive, and frequently feels compelled to defend against the accusation.
 
2012-09-30 11:51:40 AM
GOP = Gone Out Partying. cause come november 6, the party is over my friends. and its a sweet, sweet, feeling.
 
2012-09-30 11:53:14 AM

Brick-House: [img0.fark.net image 77x27] Really??? That's the source? I guessing they're having a collective thrill running down their legs. Hope it not piss.

/wet clean up isle 5.


What's the matter, can't disprove it?
 
2012-09-30 11:53:17 AM

Party Boy: machodonkeywrestler: It's not and was never presented as and excuse nor as a information that would make the GOP's voter fraud excusable. It's more just picking on the GOP's hypocrisy, not anything that anyone would use as a valid argument.

Looks like you need a definition of Tu Quoque.

Party Boy: Go on about how the "B-b-b-b-b-b-b-but ACORN" argument is somehow not a Tu Quoque (a subset of a red herring)

Tu Quoque is a very common fallacy in which one attempts to defend oneself or another from criticism by turning the critique back against the accuser. This is a classic Red Herring since whether the accuser is guilty of the same, or a similar, wrong is irrelevant to the truth of the original charge. However, as a diversionary tactic, Tu Quoque can be very effective, since the accuser is put on the defensive, and frequently feels compelled to defend against the accusation.


And apparently you need lessons in reading comprehension. As I stated before, the intent is not to divert criticism or excuse, and to be a Tu Quoque, you need at least one or the other. It's not deflection, it's mockery.
 
2012-09-30 11:53:21 AM

machodonkeywrestler: misspelled


machodonkeywrestler: presented as and excuse


Don't go on the internet thinking being the grammar nazi is clever.

You don't understand red herrings. Stick a fork in this one.
 
2012-09-30 11:54:08 AM

machodonkeywrestler: intent is not to divert criticism or excuse


100% bullshiat.
 
2012-09-30 11:54:23 AM

tenpoundsofcheese: suspicious forms from the GOP? "OMG!?
actual voter fraud from Acorn and the left? "Stop being racist and disenfranchising people"


Hey, farkstick. You're finally going in the plonk list. I've had you in Troll Grey 3 for what seems like forever, and there's literally one other person there. I kept you off for the same reason I keep most trolls visible -- I don't like Fark to be an echo chamber. But man, you're simply a one-trick pony. Come in, deliver a pointless one-liner (that's usually been utterly debunked), and then no further commitment to the thread except to continue reeling out line. This one finally did it. Bye. 

My apologies to anyone who has this idjit on ignore and had to deal with his stench in my reply. Trust me, it won't happen another time.
 
2012-09-30 11:55:11 AM

Teufelaffe: tenpoundsofcheese: actual voter fraud from Acorn and the left?

I know I'm wasting my time with this, but it's Sunday and I'm not really doing anything else so....

Got any reliable citations for this "actual voter fraud from Acorn and the left"?


You know, all those cartoon characters who showed up at the polls.
 
2012-09-30 11:55:35 AM

Party Boy: machodonkeywrestler: misspelled

machodonkeywrestler: presented as and excuse

Don't go on the internet thinking being the grammar nazi is clever.

You don't understand red herrings. Stick a fork in this one.


Wow, you are oblivious. But since you seem a bit dense, I will explain it to you.

Party Boy: machodonkeywrestler: inigomontoya.jpg

I'm bored. boring



Yes. Yes you are.
 
2012-09-30 11:56:11 AM

Party Boy: machodonkeywrestler: intent is not to divert criticism or excuse

100% bullshiat.


Like ACORN voter fraud?
 
2012-09-30 11:56:26 AM

Skleenar: The RNC's involvement with this character goes back years and looks to be pretty shady.

And it's more than just getting defrauded by their own employees with fake voter registrations:

Sproul got into a bit of trouble last fall when, in certain states, it came out that the firm was playing dirty tricks in order to suppress the Democratic vote: concealing their partisan agenda, tricking Democrats into registering as Republicans, surreptitiously re-registering Democrats and Independents as Republicans, and shredding Democratic registration forms.


And that's the really damning part, right there. That's the part the prevents people from voting.
 
2012-09-30 11:56:26 AM

Brick-House: [img0.fark.net image 77x27] Really??? That's the source? I guessing they're having a collective thrill running down their legs. Hope it not piss.

/wet clean up isle 5.


Of course, if you read TFA you would have seen it was sourced from a New York Times story. Although you'd probably attack the Times as being biased, too.

Fox News is the only fair and balanced source in the media, amiright?
 
2012-09-30 11:57:20 AM

Brick-House: That's the source?


New York Times, actually.
 
2012-09-30 11:57:24 AM

missiv: Doc Daneeka: If you ever want to know what funny business the GOP is up to, just look and see what they are accusing Democats and liberal groups of at any given moment.

This.
I loved the photo of Romney frightening a baby. Next day's headline was, GOP latest attack Is Pres. Obama Scares Babies.


This is the GOP's standard procedure.

Another example: the GOP has been running ads attacking Obama for supposedly trying to destroy Medicare. Reality: the Republican Party (led by the VP nominee) have and are actually trying to destroy Medicare.
 
2012-09-30 11:58:11 AM

machodonkeywrestler: Yes. Yes you are.


Jesus, this guy is debating like a 5 year old.

Whats next? The rubber and glue argument?
 
2012-09-30 11:58:48 AM
what happened to this site? The trolls arent even clever anymore.
 
2012-09-30 12:03:36 PM

Party Boy: what happened to this site? The trolls arent even clever anymore.


i18.photobucket.com
 
2012-09-30 12:04:31 PM

jso2897: Party Boy: what happened to this site? The trolls arent even clever anymore.

[i18.photobucket.com image 624x416]


Quality control is going way down.
 
2012-09-30 12:05:42 PM

Brick-House: [img0.fark.net image 77x27] Really??? That's the source? I guessing they're having a collective thrill running down their legs. Hope it not piss.

/wet clean up isle 5.


You'll notice that the byline of the article (which I'm sure you didn't bother to read...you just looked at the Fark tag and assumed) indicates that the source for the story is actually The New York Times. But don't let reality stop you, it's more fun for us to watch you make a fool of yourself.
 
2012-09-30 12:06:12 PM

Party Boy: jso2897: Party Boy: what happened to this site? The trolls arent even clever anymore.

[i18.photobucket.com image 624x416]

Quality control is going way down.


I can't help. I'm just a humble local earthquake inspector.
 
2012-09-30 12:06:55 PM

Mitt Romneys Tax Return: Of course, if you read TFA you would have seen it was sourced from a New York Times story. Although you'd probably attack the Times as being biased, too.

Fox News is the only fair and balanced source in the media, amiright?


Only the Party-approved media can tell the Truth, citizen.
 
2012-09-30 12:08:35 PM
Voter fraud should be a capital crime tied to RICO statutes. And those found to have masterminded voter fraud or vote suppression should be subject to the death penalty.

That will create some accountability.
 
2012-09-30 12:09:38 PM

jso2897: I can't help. I'm just a humble local earthquake inspector.


i.imgur.com
 
2012-09-30 12:30:57 PM

Tusz: This behavior is older than the GOP itself. You could probably trace a straight line back to the people whining about the election in 1824.


"Those who forget the past are doomed to repeat it"
 
2012-09-30 12:31:28 PM

Goodfella: Voter fraud should be a capital crime tied to RICO statutes. And those found to have masterminded voter fraud or vote suppression should be subject to the death penalty.

That will create some accountability.


"Masterminded"? Fark that, any willing involvement in rigging elections should warrant a firing squad.
 
2012-09-30 12:32:58 PM

Goodfella: Voter fraud should be a capital crime tied to RICO statutes. And those found to have masterminded voter fraud or vote suppression should be subject to the death penalty.

That will create some accountability


I think the death penalty is a bit much, but otherwise I like the way you're thinking.
 
2012-09-30 12:33:38 PM
This business of determining voter preference prior to registration is designed to reduce Democratic voter turnout. The new Republican laws have nothing to do with "voter fraud." They are designed to reduce Democratic voter turn out. Here's a review.

Florida. Obama won there by 236,450 votes. In the 2008 election, 54 percent of black voters in Florida voted early -- twice the rate for whites. 1.1 million blacks voted in Florida in 2008. Republican solution #1: Cut early voting and remove the Sunday before the Nov. 6, 2012 election as a voting day. On Sept. 24, a federal judge in Jacksonville ruled the state doesn't need to provide 96 hours of early voting in all counties for the election. That ruling is separate from a federal case in which Florida agreed to keep 96 hours of early voting in five counties covered by the Voting Rights Act. Chaos will ensue. Republican solution #2: Purge voter lists of hispanic names. "These last-minute purges of the kind he [Governor Rick Scott] has instituted create serious questions about the motives for these purges," Kasdan said.

Iowa. Obama won Iowa in 2008 by 146,651 votes. Republican solution: purge voter lists of hispanic names. However, the Republican-backed effort to purge voter registration rolls ended after a Sept. 14 legal decision. Iowa Secretary of State Matt Schultz (R) isn't going to appeal the ruling barring the state from using emergency-procedures to purge the rolls, said Chad Olsen, his spokesman. "Given the reality of the time constraints there wouldn't be any resolution before the election," Olsen said. "For this election, we're done."

Wisconsin. Obama won Wisconsin by 414,818 votes in 2008. Republican solution: require voter ID. However, the state's supreme court ruled voter turned down the ID law Sept. 27. Two lower-court judges found the new law unconstitutional in separate decisions earlier this year.

Pennsylvania. Obama won the state by 620,478 votes in 2008. Republican solution: require voter ID. A state analysis found Pennsylvania's photo ID requirement would exclude as many as 759,000 eligible voters, or 9 percent of its electorate, from voting in the 2008 presidential election. The state supreme court on Sept. 18 set aside a lower-court ruling upholding the voter ID law. However, in its 4-2 decision, the state supreme court asked Commonwealth Court Judge Richard Simpson, a Republican, to submit a so-called supplemental opinion by Oct. 2. Chaos will ensue.

Ohio. Obama won the state by 262,224 votes in 2008. Republican solution #1: disallow ballots filed in the wrong precinct because of poll-worker error. This only impacts urban polling stations where multiple precincts share the booths. Service union sued to stop the law. Judge Marbley, appointed by former President Bill Clinton, agreed with the service union and ordered such ballot disqualification stopped. The judge said that, as a matter of law, if a voter casts a ballot in the wrong precinct it's the fault of a poll worker, unless the voter deliberately refuses to go to the right polling place. Republicans have appealed the decision. Republican solution #2: Restrict early voting. A judge ruled that it was unconstitutional to take away three days of early voting for most citizens in the state while allowing Ohioans serving in the military to have them. The Republicans have appealed. The U.S. Court of Appeals agreed to expedite Ohio's appeal, though it has yet to schedule an argument. Early voting in Ohio begins Oct. 2. Chaos will ensue.

Link

Link
 
2012-09-30 12:36:01 PM
Prediction: Romney wins Ohio, Florida and Pennsylvania despite polls leading up to election showing Obama up by more than margin of error.

Voter ID laws praised afterward by GOP. Fark servers melt down.
 
2012-09-30 12:36:09 PM
Every registration drive ever will have phony registration forms. Even if the workers are saints, you always get the guy who thinks it's funny to write fake information, or draw a picture of a penis for his address, or whatever. By law, it's a felony to not turn those forms in to the clerk. Your registration drive is not permitted to make judgment calls on which registrations are 'real' or 'fake', even in the blindingly obvious cases. At best you can separate them into another batch to help the clerk a bit, but once the form is written upon, it must be turned in to election officials without any exceptions.

Skleenar: Sproul got into a bit of trouble last fall when, in certain states, it came out that the firm was playing dirty tricks in order to suppress the Democratic vote: concealing their partisan agenda, tricking Democrats into registering as Republicans, surreptitiously re-registering Democrats and Independents as Republicans, and shredding Democratic registration forms.


This, on the other hand, is serious fraud. Up against the wall.
 
2012-09-30 12:38:01 PM
I like how there are only two conservative voices in the thread that coincedentally come one after the other. Like a shift change in hockey.
 
2012-09-30 12:40:58 PM

Sum Dum Gai: Your registration drive is not permitted to make judgment calls on which registrations are 'real' or 'fake', even in the blindingly obvious cases.


Which is a good thing, since even the "blindingly obvious cases" aren't always that clear cut. I worked for a company that canceled a customer's account because his name, "Donald Duck" and his city of residence, "Aneheim, CA", were obviously someone farking around...until he sent in copies of his driver's licence, SS card, and birth certificate. There is (or at least was 8 years ago) a guy named Donald Duck living in the same city as Disneyland.
 
2012-09-30 12:47:55 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: Acorn



So it's an hour and a half later, and you still haven't defended trotting out something that never happened.

You're either stupid or a willful liar, you bring nothing of value to the discussions here, you're completely useless, you actively make the Fark politics tab a worse place just by showing up.

Your comments aren't worth reading. On the ignore list with you.
 
2012-09-30 12:50:14 PM

The Evil That Lies In The Hearts Of Men: Bontesla: This is not a good year for Republicans.

And Republicans are not good for this year.


With how they are now, they won't be good for many years to come.
 
2012-09-30 12:56:13 PM

NeverDrunk23: The Evil That Lies In The Hearts Of Men: Bontesla: This is not a good year for Republicans.

And Republicans are not good for this year.

With how they are now, they won't be good for many years to come.


The Rush Limbaugh demographic is not growing.
 
2012-09-30 12:57:20 PM

phaseolus: tenpoundsofcheese: Acorn

You're either stupid or a willful liar


Why "or?" This is America, where anything is possible. 120troyouncesofrottingcurd is stupid and a willful liar.
 
2012-09-30 01:01:46 PM

Delay: This business of determining voter preference prior to registration is designed to reduce Democratic voter turnout. The new Republican laws have nothing to do with "voter fraud." They are designed to reduce Democratic voter turn out. Here's a review.

Florida. Obama won there by 236,450 votes. In the 2008 election, 54 percent of black voters in Florida voted early -- twice the rate for whites. 1.1 million blacks voted in Florida in 2008. Republican solution #1: Cut early voting and remove the Sunday before the Nov. 6, 2012 election as a voting day. On Sept. 24, a federal judge in Jacksonville ruled the state doesn't need to provide 96 hours of early voting in all counties for the election. That ruling is separate from a federal case in which Florida agreed to keep 96 hours of early voting in five counties covered by the Voting Rights Act. Chaos will ensue. Republican solution #2: Purge voter lists of hispanic names. "These last-minute purges of the kind he [Governor Rick Scott] has instituted create serious questions about the motives for these purges," Kasdan said.

Iowa. Obama won Iowa in 2008 by 146,651 votes. Republican solution: purge voter lists of hispanic names. However, the Republican-backed effort to purge voter registration rolls ended after a Sept. 14 legal decision. Iowa Secretary of State Matt Schultz (R) isn't going to appeal the ruling barring the state from using emergency-procedures to purge the rolls, said Chad Olsen, his spokesman. "Given the reality of the time constraints there wouldn't be any resolution before the election," Olsen said. "For this election, we're done."

Wisconsin. Obama won Wisconsin by 414,818 votes in 2008. Republican solution: require voter ID. However, the state's supreme court ruled voter turned down the ID law Sept. 27. Two lower-court judges found the new law unconstitutional in separate decisions earlier this year.

Pennsylvania. Obama won the state by 620,478 votes in 2008. Republican solution: require voter ID. A s ...


Yet more evidence that Republicans are traitors. Farking unAmerican slime.

The sooner this obsolete dinosaur of a political party dies, the better. Once we get a liberal party to oppose the center-right Democrats, maybe this country can make some goddamn progress.
 
2012-09-30 01:02:08 PM
This really shouldn't come as a surprise.

We should have all learned by now that if the GOP is harping on some illicit or shameful activity then we should probably double check to make sure they aren't the ones engaging in said activity.

The GOP doth protest too much, methinks.
 
2012-09-30 01:02:55 PM

js34603: Prediction: Romney wins Ohio, Florida and Pennsylvania despite polls leading up to election showing Obama up by more than margin of error.

Voter ID laws praised afterward by GOP. Fark servers melt down.


Very likely. See my post above yours. It could all come down to legal decisions coming in OH, FL and PA after October 2nd. Not just voter ID. Early voting is important to folks that work and rely on public transportation. Not the Romneys.
 
2012-09-30 01:03:16 PM

phaseolus: Your comments aren't worth reading. On the ignore list with you.


I'm smiling at this thread, lots of you are taking action. He's the ONLY person I have on ignore, and it was the best move I ever made. I still smile every time I see another one of his "contributions" I've been spared...
 
2012-09-30 01:06:59 PM
I had the chance to defend one of the local ACORN folks 4 years ago. This sounds like the flip side of the same coin. Made up names and phony registration cards in order to pad stats. The only difference I see is that the RNC has now cut ties with this group and that the DNC and local Dems went to the wall for ACORN.
 
2012-09-30 01:12:42 PM
The King of Florida voting Fraud...

imageshack.us
Link
 
2012-09-30 01:21:31 PM

Anderson's Pooper: I had the chance to defend one of the local ACORN folks 4 years ago. This sounds like the flip side of the same coin. Made up names and phony registration cards in order to pad stats. The only difference I see is that the RNC has now cut ties with this group and that the DNC and local Dems went to the wall for ACORN.


You are what's wrong with this country.
 
2012-09-30 01:23:09 PM

ghare: The Rush Limbaugh demographic is not growing.


Well, the demographic isn't growing...
 
2012-09-30 01:29:32 PM

Anderson's Pooper: I had the chance to defend one of the local ACORN folks 4 years ago. This sounds like the flip side of the same coin. Made up names and phony registration cards in order to pad stats. The only difference I see is that the RNC has now cut ties with this group and that the DNC and local Dems went to the wall for ACORN.


That's an odd way to spell "threw under the bus because of false allegations and a general lack of spine"
Keep telling those lies and farking that chicken though.
 
2012-09-30 01:37:54 PM

Anderson's Pooper: I had the chance to defend one of the local ACORN folks 4 years ago. This sounds like the flip side of the same coin. Made up names and phony registration cards in order to pad stats. The only difference I see is that the RNC has now cut ties with this group and that the DNC and local Dems went to the wall for ACORN.


Is that the only difference you see?

In Colorado, a young woman employed by Strategic Allied was shown on a video outside a store in Colorado Springs recently telling a potential voter that she wanted to register only Republicans and that she worked for the county clerk's office

The RNC fired them because they allowed themselves to get caught carrying out strategy.
 
2012-09-30 01:40:47 PM

jcooli09: The RNC fired them because they allowed themselves to get caught carrying out strategy strategery.


Sorry, pet-peeve
 
2012-09-30 01:49:50 PM

m2313: Anderson's Pooper: I had the chance to defend one of the local ACORN folks 4 years ago. This sounds like the flip side of the same coin. Made up names and phony registration cards in order to pad stats. The only difference I see is that the RNC has now cut ties with this group and that the DNC and local Dems went to the wall for ACORN.

That's an odd way to spell "threw under the bus because of false allegations and a general lack of spine"
Keep telling those lies and farking that chicken though.


That an organization with 40 years of good work in poor and minority neighborhoods could be destroyed in a matter of months by a smear campaign is appalling. Good job, Britebart and O'Keefe, I'm sure Jesus would be proud of you.

/ And FU too, congressional Democrats, for letting it happen.
 
2012-09-30 02:04:38 PM

Mitt Romneys Tax Return: That an organization with 40 years of good work in poor and minority neighborhoods could be destroyed in a matter of months by a smear campaign is appalling. Good job, Britebart and O'Keefe, I'm sure Jesus would be proud of you.


Destruction is usually easier than creation.
But yeah I was/am pissed about that too.
 
2012-09-30 02:08:49 PM

Into the blue again: Into the blue again: Kurmudgeon: Bontesla: This is not a good year for Republicans.

Perhaps, but don't ever forget the GOP has an amazing talent to skate by on all of it's corruption and malfeasance unpunished. There is a hardcore 25% who will vote for them no matter what and all it takes is a some folks from center plus a few Dems to vote for the right and the Republicans are back in power.
The GOP is never finished just like evil never disappears, it only hides for awhile then blossoms again.
/and again
//and again

$0%

Uggh... I fail

40%


Surprisingly, that actually isn't the case. What percentage supported Bush in January 2009? What percentage supported Nixon the day he resigned^wwas forced out? What percentage supported McCarthy until the end? All the same: 25-30%. I haven't been able to find a source, but I've heard it said that even Hoover's approval in 1932 was circa 25%.

I'd hazard to guess there's probably a similar bedrock under Dems, but I can't think of any recent examples of one digging themself into a deep enough hole to reach it.
 
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