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2012-09-30 03:36:29 AM
And even when we "leave" in 2014, we won't actually be gone. :(

/we've always been at war with Eastasia
 
2012-09-30 03:51:12 AM
In a row?
 
2012-09-30 04:14:31 AM
After 10 years? That's nearly 0 losses each day. Not bad odds when you're in a hostile foreign country engaging in a war and occupying territory.
 
2012-09-30 04:17:28 AM
Fighting them over there, so we dont have to fight them here.

\I still dont really understand this directive
 
2012-09-30 04:39:27 AM

Frederick: I still dont really understand this directive


Let's accidentally drop a 2000 lb bomb on your house while you're at work because some insurgents were hiding in the one next to it and we hit kinda in the middle.

When you come home to the smoking ruin that was your house and all your possessions have been burned or looted and anyone who you loved in the home is now gone and you personally have to watch and avoid IEDs and occasionally traffic is stopped for gun battles...
 
2012-09-30 05:09:21 AM

doglover: Frederick: I still dont really understand this directive

Let's accidentally drop a 2000 lb bomb on your house while you're at work because some insurgents were hiding in the one next to it and we hit kinda in the middle.

When you come home to the smoking ruin that was your house and all your possessions have been burned or looted and anyone who you loved in the home is now gone and you personally have to watch and avoid IEDs and occasionally traffic is stopped for gun battles...


That is based in some kind of reality with you? Good grief!!

There are so many logical problems with your absurd scenario I cant imagine how you even presented it.
 
2012-09-30 07:49:37 AM
2,000? What's the big deal?
More men died in the first thirty seconds at Antietam! It's a small price to pay to bring Democracy to the heathen wogs over there. USA! USA! USA!

( pukes)
 
2012-09-30 08:07:24 AM

doglover: Frederick: I still dont really understand this directive

Let's accidentally drop a 2000 lb bomb on your house while you're at work because some insurgents were hiding in the one next to it and we hit kinda in the middle.

When you come home to the smoking ruin that was your house and all your possessions have been burned or looted and anyone who you loved in the home is now gone and you personally have to watch and avoid IEDs and occasionally traffic is stopped for gun battles...


Yes, because that's what would be happening in the US if we didn't occupy Afganistan.

o_O
 
2012-09-30 08:21:02 AM
Regardless of the politics. Living or dead.


Thank you for your service.
 
2012-09-30 08:22:48 AM

Mugato: Yes, because that's what would be happening in the US if we didn't occupy Afganistan.


Obviously.

Have you ever seen the Canadians? They're jealous of our quality beer, classy TV celebrities, and our superior national sport of football. They'd be over that border in a year if we didn't pound some foreign place's capitol into the ground every few years.
 
2012-09-30 08:25:54 AM
Would you like to know more?
 
2012-09-30 08:26:18 AM
I must have missed the countdown like the media did for Bush in Iraq. Liberal bias in its most obvious form.
 
2012-09-30 08:26:20 AM

crab66: Regardless of the politics. Living or dead.


Thank you for your service.


I'm glad that you support the troops. Some people, like the liberals, don't support the troops, you can tell because they were opposed to defendind america in 2003. They also made us lose in Iraq.
 
2012-09-30 08:26:27 AM
Remember when pointing out casualty figures was a form of treason? Good times!
 
2012-09-30 08:27:32 AM

stirfrybry: I must have missed the countdown like the media did for Bush in Iraq. Liberal bias in its most obvious form.


Perfect. You just can't farking see it, can you?

Asshole.
 
2012-09-30 08:30:42 AM

wedun: crab66: Regardless of the politics. Living or dead.


Thank you for your service.

I'm glad that you support the troops. Some people, like the liberals, don't support the troops, you can tell because they were opposed to defendind america in 2003. They also made us lose in Iraq.


Weak.
 
2012-09-30 08:32:35 AM
He has only had 4 years to get us out. He promised to get us out when he ran.

Obama 2012.
 
2012-09-30 08:32:44 AM

wedun: I'm glad that you support the troops. Some people, like the liberals, don't support the troops, you can tell because they were opposed to defendind america in 2003. They also made us lose in Iraq.


You need to work on your trolling.
 
2012-09-30 08:32:47 AM
Sad, yes.

But wow... from 2001?

Had this been 30-40 years ago that number would be x20 + in an 11 yr period.
 
2012-09-30 08:33:03 AM
The music of the time tells me that Vietnam losses were like this an hour, so everything's fine.
 
2012-09-30 08:33:14 AM
I'd still like to know what the opposition's alternative was.

My neighbour was against it and I was like "so, what would you have done about the Taliban?". "Bush and Blair are war criminals" "No, what would YOU have done about the Taliban?" **crickets**
 
2012-09-30 08:34:13 AM
Jesus, did this thread hit potato fast...
 
2012-09-30 08:35:01 AM

GORDON: He promised to get us out when he ran.

Obama 2012.


He promised a lot more that he has broken when he ran
 
2012-09-30 08:35:26 AM

GORDON: He has only had 4 years to get us out. He promised to get us out when he ran.

Obama 2012.



Have you confused Afghanistan with Iraq?

/easy to do, the neo-cons did.
 
2012-09-30 08:35:35 AM

Bungles: The music of the time tells me that Vietnam losses were like this an hour, so everything's fine.


And officially they never got around to calling it a war.
 
2012-09-30 08:37:09 AM
So, that's, what, a 1/50 US Military to Afghan civilian ratio?
 
2012-09-30 08:38:00 AM

MFAWG: Remember when pointing out casualty figures was a form of treason? Good times!


Maybe that's why the link was to the BBC and not CNN.
 
2012-09-30 08:38:03 AM
Cue the people whose political smugness outweighs their human decency.

/Much respect to those who gave their lives for it.
 
2012-09-30 08:40:29 AM

Bungles: GORDON: He has only had 4 years to get us out. He promised to get us out when he ran.

Obama 2012.


Have you confused Afghanistan with Iraq?

/easy to do, the neo-cons did.


Yeah, the "but the terrorists and mastermind were all from Saudi Arabia" jab only applies when talking about Bush. Of course Afghanistan was not one of the "illegal wars" he promised to end. He meant iraq and some other illegal war.

He had 4 years to end the wars and shut down Guantanamo. Iraq ended on Bush's timetable, we're still in Afghanistan, and Guantanamo is out of the news but still chugging along as full as ever. To report on it is bad for him, so it doesn't get reported.

But I will vote for that lying piece of shiat again because hey, the other guy is a mormon and I am hugely biased against those people.
 
2012-09-30 08:41:04 AM
Would not fill up one panel on the Vietnam memorial
 
2012-09-30 08:41:26 AM

Frederick: doglover: Frederick: I still dont really understand this directive

Let's accidentally drop a 2000 lb bomb on your house while you're at work because some insurgents were hiding in the one next to it and we hit kinda in the middle.

When you come home to the smoking ruin that was your house and all your possessions have been burned or looted and anyone who you loved in the home is now gone and you personally have to watch and avoid IEDs and occasionally traffic is stopped for gun battles...

That is based in some kind of reality with you? Good grief!!

There are so many logical problems with your absurd scenario I cant imagine how you even presented it.


The idea behind it is to prevent the violence of insurgents/terrorists/radical fanatics from coming here. We can either make war with them there, or we can fight the battles here, and if we weren't engaging them, they would find ways to attack us here.

Would you prefer malls being shot up, buildings blowing up, etc here? Personally, I'd rather they suffered the consequences of their actions in their own back yard.
 
2012-09-30 08:42:30 AM
Clinton had 8 years to prevent this. Bush only had 8 months. Or something.

/Golden Oldie
 
2012-09-30 08:43:47 AM
Pff that's probably the number of civilians they kill a day.
 
2012-09-30 08:46:26 AM

GORDON: Bungles: GORDON: He has only had 4 years to get us out. He promised to get us out when he ran.

Obama 2012.


Have you confused Afghanistan with Iraq?

/easy to do, the neo-cons did.

Yeah, the "but the terrorists and mastermind were all from Saudi Arabia" jab only applies when talking about Bush. Of course Afghanistan was not one of the "illegal wars" he promised to end. He meant iraq and some other illegal war.

He had 4 years to end the wars and shut down Guantanamo. Iraq ended on Bush's timetable, we're still in Afghanistan, and Guantanamo is out of the news but still chugging along as full as ever. To report on it is bad for him, so it doesn't get reported.

But I will vote for that lying piece of shiat again because hey, the other guy is a mormon and I am hugely biased against those people.


Obama CAMPAIGNED on focusing on Afghanistan. And his opponents were very vocally against ending Iraq on Bush's timetable; remember, they also fought tooth and nail to prevent Bush's handouts tax cuts for the rich from ending on schedule.

As for Guantanamo, Obama signed an executive order to close the place, but Congress refused to pay for it, because apparently Muslims have terrorist superpowers that will allow them to break out of American prisons. I guess Cuban soil is like Muslim kryptonite.
 
2012-09-30 08:47:51 AM

pippi longstocking: Pff that's probably the number of civilians they kill a day.


When your enemy hides among civilians, uses them as shields, and has no compunction about killing them with their car bombs and ieds and suicide bombers...what are you supposed to do? How is it, again, we're responsible for the enemy's tactics?
 
2012-09-30 08:48:48 AM

farkeruk: I'd still like to know what the opposition's alternative was.

My neighbour was against it and I was like "so, what would you have done about the Taliban?". "Bush and Blair are war criminals" "No, what would YOU have done about the Taliban?" **crickets**


Considering that we've only attacked one out of the 3 'Axes of Evil', and hold hands and buss cheeks with the country that actually funded and organized 9/11, I'd call it a wash.
 
2012-09-30 08:49:40 AM

Kit Fister: Frederick: doglover: Frederick: I still dont really understand this directive

Let's accidentally drop a 2000 lb bomb on your house while you're at work because some insurgents were hiding in the one next to it and we hit kinda in the middle.

When you come home to the smoking ruin that was your house and all your possessions have been burned or looted and anyone who you loved in the home is now gone and you personally have to watch and avoid IEDs and occasionally traffic is stopped for gun battles...

That is based in some kind of reality with you? Good grief!!

There are so many logical problems with your absurd scenario I cant imagine how you even presented it.

The idea behind it is to prevent the violence of insurgents/terrorists/radical fanatics from coming here. We can either make war with them there, or we can fight the battles here, and if we weren't engaging them, they would find ways to attack us here.

Would you prefer malls being shot up, buildings blowing up, etc here? Personally, I'd rather they suffered the consequences of their actions in their own back yard.


I saw a story last week where some dumbass GOPPER Congressman was hanging on to this talking point for dear life, right up until he got a letter from an actual troop in the field.
 
2012-09-30 08:50:15 AM

LordJiro: GORDON: Bungles: GORDON: He has only had 4 years to get us out. He promised to get us out when he ran.

Obama 2012.


Have you confused Afghanistan with Iraq?

/easy to do, the neo-cons did.

Yeah, the "but the terrorists and mastermind were all from Saudi Arabia" jab only applies when talking about Bush. Of course Afghanistan was not one of the "illegal wars" he promised to end. He meant iraq and some other illegal war.

He had 4 years to end the wars and shut down Guantanamo. Iraq ended on Bush's timetable, we're still in Afghanistan, and Guantanamo is out of the news but still chugging along as full as ever. To report on it is bad for him, so it doesn't get reported.

But I will vote for that lying piece of shiat again because hey, the other guy is a mormon and I am hugely biased against those people.

Obama CAMPAIGNED on focusing on Afghanistan. And his opponents were very vocally against ending Iraq on Bush's timetable; remember, they also fought tooth and nail to prevent Bush's handouts tax cuts for the rich from ending on schedule.

As for Guantanamo, Obama signed an executive order to close the place, but Congress refused to pay for it, because apparently Muslims have terrorist superpowers that will allow them to break out of American prisons. I guess Cuban soil is like Muslim kryptonite.


Actually, every supermax prison that wanted to house the prisoners, or was willing to, got shouted down by the NIMBYs near said prisons who were deathly afraid that they might become targets.

So, when you wind up with no place to put the inmates, what do you do?
 
2012-09-30 08:50:42 AM

Kit Fister: The idea behind it is to prevent the violence of insurgents/terrorists/radical fanatics from coming here. We can either make war with them there, or we can fight the battles here, and if we weren't engaging them, they would find ways to attack us here.


How do you know this? Oh, you don't.

GORDON: He had 4 years to end the wars and shut down Guantanamo. Iraq ended on Bush's timetable, we're still in Afghanistan, and Guantanamo is out of the news but still chugging along as full as ever. To report on it is bad for him, so it doesn't get reported.

But I will vote for that lying piece of shiat again because hey, the other guy is a mormon and I am hugely biased against those people.


Sigh.

Obama was always in favor of Afghanistan. As for Gitmo, congress shot down funding to close it. This is all well documented.
 
2012-09-30 08:51:30 AM
1973 just called. It said to tell you that wars of occupation suck, and cannot be won.
Kthnxby.
 
2012-09-30 08:52:45 AM

MFAWG: Kit Fister: Frederick: doglover: Frederick: I still dont really understand this directive

Let's accidentally drop a 2000 lb bomb on your house while you're at work because some insurgents were hiding in the one next to it and we hit kinda in the middle.

When you come home to the smoking ruin that was your house and all your possessions have been burned or looted and anyone who you loved in the home is now gone and you personally have to watch and avoid IEDs and occasionally traffic is stopped for gun battles...

That is based in some kind of reality with you? Good grief!!

There are so many logical problems with your absurd scenario I cant imagine how you even presented it.

The idea behind it is to prevent the violence of insurgents/terrorists/radical fanatics from coming here. We can either make war with them there, or we can fight the battles here, and if we weren't engaging them, they would find ways to attack us here.

Would you prefer malls being shot up, buildings blowing up, etc here? Personally, I'd rather they suffered the consequences of their actions in their own back yard.

I saw a story last week where some dumbass GOPPER Congressman was hanging on to this talking point for dear life, right up until he got a letter from an actual troop in the field.


Hey, so far they blew up the wtc twice. Not so much anything else since we started fighting them on their own soil. Only terrorists we've dealt with here are some asian dude at virginia tech and two mentally unstable white guys in az and co
 
2012-09-30 08:52:47 AM
2,000 American lives ...

What did we win? How many do we need save up to get another Pocket Dictator?
 
2012-09-30 08:53:07 AM
Political insight set aside.

Thank you young men and women. While many do not agree with this war, you have volunteered to take part in it.

Thank you
 
2012-09-30 08:53:18 AM

LordJiro: GORDON: Bungles: GORDON: He has only had 4 years to get us out. He promised to get us out when he ran.

Obama 2012.


Have you confused Afghanistan with Iraq?

/easy to do, the neo-cons did.

Yeah, the "but the terrorists and mastermind were all from Saudi Arabia" jab only applies when talking about Bush. Of course Afghanistan was not one of the "illegal wars" he promised to end. He meant iraq and some other illegal war.

He had 4 years to end the wars and shut down Guantanamo. Iraq ended on Bush's timetable, we're still in Afghanistan, and Guantanamo is out of the news but still chugging along as full as ever. To report on it is bad for him, so it doesn't get reported.

But I will vote for that lying piece of shiat again because hey, the other guy is a mormon and I am hugely biased against those people.

Obama CAMPAIGNED on focusing on Afghanistan. And his opponents were very vocally against ending Iraq on Bush's timetable; remember, they also fought tooth and nail to prevent Bush's handouts tax cuts for the rich from ending on schedule.

As for Guantanamo, Obama signed an executive order to close the place, but Congress refused to pay for it, because apparently Muslims have terrorist superpowers that will allow them to break out of American prisons. I guess Cuban soil is like Muslim kryptonite.




Originally it less that Mooslimms have secret super powers (although that's what the main defense has apparently morphed into over 10 years), but rather that if it's not on US soil, slicing off nipples and making inmates urinate on each other apparently isn't torture and maltreatment..

Oh, and apparently habeas corpus is some sort of actual physical field that only covers the continental US.

KEEP THE MOOSLIMMS OUT OF THE HABEAS CORPUS FIELD! THEY WILL ESCAPE!
 
2012-09-30 08:53:32 AM

Kit Fister: LordJiro: GORDON: Bungles: GORDON: He has only had 4 years to get us out. He promised to get us out when he ran.

Obama 2012.


Have you confused Afghanistan with Iraq?

/easy to do, the neo-cons did.

Yeah, the "but the terrorists and mastermind were all from Saudi Arabia" jab only applies when talking about Bush. Of course Afghanistan was not one of the "illegal wars" he promised to end. He meant iraq and some other illegal war.

He had 4 years to end the wars and shut down Guantanamo. Iraq ended on Bush's timetable, we're still in Afghanistan, and Guantanamo is out of the news but still chugging along as full as ever. To report on it is bad for him, so it doesn't get reported.

But I will vote for that lying piece of shiat again because hey, the other guy is a mormon and I am hugely biased against those people.

Obama CAMPAIGNED on focusing on Afghanistan. And his opponents were very vocally against ending Iraq on Bush's timetable; remember, they also fought tooth and nail to prevent Bush's handouts tax cuts for the rich from ending on schedule.

As for Guantanamo, Obama signed an executive order to close the place, but Congress refused to pay for it, because apparently Muslims have terrorist superpowers that will allow them to break out of American prisons. I guess Cuban soil is like Muslim kryptonite.

Actually, every supermax prison that wanted to house the prisoners, or was willing to, got shouted down by the NIMBY panty pissing scared 'Conservatives's near said prison everywhere who were deathly afraid that they might become targets of pretty much everything..

So, when you wind up with no place to put the inmates, what do you do?


FTFY.
 
2012-09-30 08:54:52 AM

Mugato: Kit Fister: The idea behind it is to prevent the violence of insurgents/terrorists/radical fanatics from coming here. We can either make war with them there, or we can fight the battles here, and if we weren't engaging them, they would find ways to attack us here.

How do you know this? Oh, you don't.

GORDON: He had 4 years to end the wars and shut down Guantanamo. Iraq ended on Bush's timetable, we're still in Afghanistan, and Guantanamo is out of the news but still chugging along as full as ever. To report on it is bad for him, so it doesn't get reported.

But I will vote for that lying piece of shiat again because hey, the other guy is a mormon and I am hugely biased against those people.

Sigh.

Obama was always in favor of Afghanistan. As for Gitmo, congress shot down funding to close it. This is all well documented.


Right, you mean other than the two attempts to destroy the WTC and the few other arrests for attempting to acquire bombs and such?

Oh I'm sorry, we shouldn't use historical attempts to attack here as indications of intent. I forgot.
 
2012-09-30 08:56:01 AM
i.imgur.com

i.imgur.com

Ah, memories...
 
2012-09-30 08:57:52 AM

Bungles: LordJiro: GORDON: Bungles: GORDON: He has only had 4 years to get us out. He promised to get us out when he ran.

Obama 2012.


Have you confused Afghanistan with Iraq?

/easy to do, the neo-cons did.

Yeah, the "but the terrorists and mastermind were all from Saudi Arabia" jab only applies when talking about Bush. Of course Afghanistan was not one of the "illegal wars" he promised to end. He meant iraq and some other illegal war.

He had 4 years to end the wars and shut down Guantanamo. Iraq ended on Bush's timetable, we're still in Afghanistan, and Guantanamo is out of the news but still chugging along as full as ever. To report on it is bad for him, so it doesn't get reported.

But I will vote for that lying piece of shiat again because hey, the other guy is a mormon and I am hugely biased against those people.

Obama CAMPAIGNED on focusing on Afghanistan. And his opponents were very vocally against ending Iraq on Bush's timetable; remember, they also fought tooth and nail to prevent Bush's handouts tax cuts for the rich from ending on schedule.

As for Guantanamo, Obama signed an executive order to close the place, but Congress refused to pay for it, because apparently Muslims have terrorist superpowers that will allow them to break out of American prisons. I guess Cuban soil is like Muslim kryptonite.



Originally it less that Mooslimms have secret super powers (although that's what the main defense has apparently morphed into over 10 years), but rather that if it's not on US soil, slicing off nipples and making inmates urinate on each other apparently isn't torture and maltreatment..

Oh, and apparently habeas corpus is some sort of actual physical field that only covers the continental US.

KEEP THE MOOSLIMMS OUT OF THE HABEAS CORPUS FIELD! THEY WILL ESCAPE!


Since when did habeas corpus apply to enemy combatants being detained?
 
2012-09-30 08:58:38 AM

Gleeman: Considering that we've only attacked one out of the 3 'Axes of Evil', and hold hands and buss cheeks with the country that actually funded and organized 9/11, I'd call it a wash.


I'll add that to my list
 
2012-09-30 08:59:22 AM

Kit Fister: Right, you mean other than the two attempts to destroy the WTC and the few other arrests for attempting to acquire bombs and such?


And you're saying that the reason there haven't been any other attacks similar to the one committed by a bunch of Saudis is because we invaded Afghanistan? Do you have a rock that keeps tigers away by any chance?
 
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