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2012-09-30 10:17:03 AM  

nmemkha: 2,000 American lives ...

What did we win? How many do we need save up to get another Pocket Dictator?


Pocket Dictators are so 20th Century. The new paradigm is "keep the heathens slaughtering each other so that they won't have time to turn their guns on us".

Get with the program, man.
 
2012-09-30 10:17:05 AM  

Kit Fister: nmemkha: Kit Fister: Mugato: Kit Fister: This is going to be a squirrelly one. If we declare "Victory" and pull out, what's to stop them from coming back in and retaliating against us because of our "hubris"? If we declare defeat and pull out, they retaliate and think it open season. If we stay there, we endure their anger and their continued violence.

It must suck to be constantly scared shiatless all the time.

You assume that I'm scared of those asshats? Really? I'm not scared of them at all. However, realistically, they will likely keep on doing what they're doing, and people will keep on dying whether we're there or not.

Now, can we discuss things like adults without the insults?

Sure can. Go get mommy or daddy and tell them someone at Fark would like to speak with them. Okay, sweetpea?

How cute. It's almost like you can't have an honest conversation with someone that doesn't agree with your point of view and have to act like an asshat yourself. So, let's start again. Can we have a discussion like adults without the insults?


Sorry that's just how I t... roll. If you're looking for intelligent debate on Fark then you are looking in the wrong place, my delicious new chum.
 
2012-09-30 10:17:47 AM  
Are you still gonna vote for Republicans or Democrats?
 
2012-09-30 10:18:07 AM  

Kit Fister: nmemkha: Kit Fister: Mugato: Kit Fister: This is going to be a squirrelly one. If we declare "Victory" and pull out, what's to stop them from coming back in and retaliating against us because of our "hubris"? If we declare defeat and pull out, they retaliate and think it open season. If we stay there, we endure their anger and their continued violence.

It must suck to be constantly scared shiatless all the time.

You assume that I'm scared of those asshats? Really? I'm not scared of them at all. However, realistically, they will likely keep on doing what they're doing, and people will keep on dying whether we're there or not.


Exactly....
 
2012-09-30 10:18:29 AM  

Mouser: nmemkha: 2,000 American lives ...

What did we win? How many do we need save up to get another Pocket Dictator?

Pocket Dictators are so 20th Century. The new paradigm is "keep the heathens slaughtering each other so that they won't have time to turn their guns on us".

Get with the program, man.


Sorry, I ditched class to smoke pot with the hottie art teacher.
 
2012-09-30 10:19:13 AM  

modesto: farkeruk: modesto: And likely even fewer if we just came home and didn't feel compelled to swing our dick across the entire planet.

I'm not a military strategist so can you tell me what happens after that, and whether you'd be happy with those outcomes?

Probably the same thing that is happening in Iraq: sectarian war and more civilian casualties. No, I am not happy with it. But you are assuming that our presence makes things better. That there is a positive outcome to be had. I don't see it.


I agree with you. Unfortunately western democracy, morality, and sensibilities mean nothing to them, and don't apply to their way of doing things. The only way they'll find peace is if they find a way to do it themselves.

I'm all for letting them hash it out amongst themselves. We could always invest our dollars in Russian oil and just get the fark out of the middle east.
 
2012-09-30 10:24:06 AM  

doglover: After 10 years? That's nearly 0 losses each day. Not bad odds when you're in a hostile foreign country engaging in a war and occupying territory.


I somehow think the families of those who died might disagree.

Also, we passed that mark a while ago. The real number is 2126 for US troops and 3191 for all coalition forces.
And nobody really knows the number of civilian casualties.
 
2012-09-30 10:24:12 AM  

Monkeyfark Ridiculous: I'm not really "the opposition" but that's a strange question. What's wrong with the answer, "I would've told them their mothers were hamsters and their fathers smelt of elderberries?"


what, and that's going to stop them or anyone else taking a potshot at you?
 
2012-09-30 10:25:02 AM  

Wyalt Derp: GORDON: He promised to get us out when he ran.

[citation needed]


Here's 65 lies and broken promises... I think it is in 1-65
 
2012-09-30 10:26:48 AM  

farkeruk: modesto: Ahh, the militant humanitarian. I used to feel that way. Cheered when we rolled through kabul. I was an idiot. We have proven ourselves inept at this over and over again. To implement that doctrine we would need to invade Saudi Arabia, Sudan, Somalia, Eritrea, Ethiopia, Syria, Mali, Uganda, Zimbabwe....just to name a few. Can't think of one intervention of our many that could be called successful by your standards.

How are you going to launch an attack on Zimbabwe without the support of South Africa? Where's your supply lines for your troops?


First stage is naval assault on Madagascar. Duh. Why do you hate freedom?
 
2012-09-30 10:29:11 AM  

modesto: farkeruk: modesto: Ahh, the militant humanitarian. I used to feel that way. Cheered when we rolled through kabul. I was an idiot. We have proven ourselves inept at this over and over again. To implement that doctrine we would need to invade Saudi Arabia, Sudan, Somalia, Eritrea, Ethiopia, Syria, Mali, Uganda, Zimbabwe....just to name a few. Can't think of one intervention of our many that could be called successful by your standards.

How are you going to launch an attack on Zimbabwe without the support of South Africa? Where's your supply lines for your troops?

First stage is naval assault on Madagascar. Duh. Why do you hate freedom?


But they just shut down everything...
 
2012-09-30 10:31:12 AM  

Kit Fister: modesto: farkeruk: modesto: Ahh, the militant humanitarian. I used to feel that way. Cheered when we rolled through kabul. I was an idiot. We have proven ourselves inept at this over and over again. To implement that doctrine we would need to invade Saudi Arabia, Sudan, Somalia, Eritrea, Ethiopia, Syria, Mali, Uganda, Zimbabwe....just to name a few. Can't think of one intervention of our many that could be called successful by your standards.

How are you going to launch an attack on Zimbabwe without the support of South Africa? Where's your supply lines for your troops?

First stage is naval assault on Madagascar. Duh. Why do you hate freedom?

But they just shut down everything...


Word on the street is that is all started with some dude in Brazil falling ill.

Its a global conspiracy man.
 
2012-09-30 10:34:15 AM  
>2000

Which, coincidentally, is also the number of golf holes Obama has played as President. So there's that.
 
2012-09-30 10:36:15 AM  
I am said for this article.

But I kind of want to play some BF3 now.
 
2012-09-30 10:42:53 AM  

farkeruk: Monkeyfark Ridiculous: I'm not really "the opposition" but that's a strange question. What's wrong with the answer, "I would've told them their mothers were hamsters and their fathers smelt of elderberries?"

what, and that's going to stop them or anyone else taking a potshot at you?


There is no practical course of action that is "going to stop them or anyone else taking a potshot at" me.

However, the farking Taliban taking a potshot at me ranks only very slightly above armored velociraptors on my list of things to worry about.
 
2012-09-30 10:44:20 AM  

Pantubo: >2000

Which, coincidentally, is also the number of golf holes Obama has played as President. So there's that.


Still fewer holes than Boehner has logged on GHIN in his time as the third most powerful man in Washington..

YARLY!
 
2012-09-30 10:44:20 AM  

06Wahoo: Therion: 2,000? What's the big deal?
More men died in the first thirty seconds at Antietam! It's a small price to pay to bring Democracy to the heathen wogs over there. USA! USA! USA!

( pukes)

This is the kind of view that concerns me. Are we going to have the stomach to fight a real war? If WWIII arrives, are we going to hide in our shells when we reach a couple thousand deaths within a couple months rather than more than a decade? Certainly, I don't want to see our country lose any troops and the 2,000 who gave their lives had them cut far too short, but war is not going anywhere, whether we are willing to take part or not.

You may be only partially serious in what you are saying, but too many people seem to fully believe this. I truly fear for the future of this country.


Personally, I think the issue is that spending lives and money on an opponent that isn't really a threat is an issue.

Besides, WWIII is not something I'm worried about winning. If WWIII occurs, we (as in everyone) is so completely farked that I think we could declare mankind to have failed.
 
2012-09-30 10:54:37 AM  

weltallica: [i.imgur.com image 504x303]

[i.imgur.com image 504x351]

Ah, memories...


www.greatdreams.com

I'll bite
 
2012-09-30 11:08:12 AM  

Kit Fister: MFAWG: Kit Fister: Frederick: doglover: Frederick: I still dont really understand this directive

Let's accidentally drop a 2000 lb bomb on your house while you're at work because some insurgents were hiding in the one next to it and we hit kinda in the middle.

When you come home to the smoking ruin that was your house and all your possessions have been burned or looted and anyone who you loved in the home is now gone and you personally have to watch and avoid IEDs and occasionally traffic is stopped for gun battles...

That is based in some kind of reality with you? Good grief!!

There are so many logical problems with your absurd scenario I cant imagine how you even presented it.

The idea behind it is to prevent the violence of insurgents/terrorists/radical fanatics from coming here. We can either make war with them there, or we can fight the battles here, and if we weren't engaging them, they would find ways to attack us here.

Would you prefer malls being shot up, buildings blowing up, etc here? Personally, I'd rather they suffered the consequences of their actions in their own back yard.

I saw a story last week where some dumbass GOPPER Congressman was hanging on to this talking point for dear life, right up until he got a letter from an actual troop in the field.

Hey, so far they blew up the wtc twice. Not so much anything else since we started fighting them on their own soil. Only terrorists we've dealt with here are some asian dude at virginia tech and two mentally unstable white guys in az and co


I have a magic rock I'd like to sell to you...

/bet you voted for Bush in 04 because he kept America safe, right?
 
2012-09-30 11:22:43 AM  

doglover: Mugato: Yes, because that's what would be happening in the US if we didn't occupy Afganistan.

Obviously.

Have you ever seen the Canadians? They're jealous of our quality beer, classy TV celebrities, and our superior national sport of football. They'd be over that border in a year if we didn't pound some foreign place's capitol into the ground every few years.


You think they're not?

One of my friends is Canadian. Apparently, nobody knew this. He said "Yes, I'm taking your jobs, your women, and your land!"

/he fits in well
 
2012-09-30 11:26:49 AM  

Kit Fister:

The idea behind it is to prevent the violence of insurgents/terrorists/radical fanatics from coming here. We can either make war with them there, or we can fight the battles here, and if we weren't engaging them, they would find ways to attack us here.

Would you prefer malls being shot up, buildings blowing up, etc here? Personally, I'd rather they suffered the consequences of their actions in their own back yard.


So, what you're saying is, you're against cheap illegal-immigrant labor displacing Real American labor?

/think of all of the unemployed domestic terrorists
 
2012-09-30 11:30:21 AM  

Frederick: doglover: Frederick: I still dont really understand this directive

Let's accidentally drop a 2000 lb bomb on your house while you're at work because some insurgents were hiding in the one next to it and we hit kinda in the middle.

When you come home to the smoking ruin that was your house and all your possessions have been burned or looted and anyone who you loved in the home is now gone and you personally have to watch and avoid IEDs and occasionally traffic is stopped for gun battles...

That is based in some kind of reality with you? Good grief!!

There are so many logical problems with your absurd scenario I cant imagine how you even presented it.


Or typed it.
 
2012-09-30 11:31:13 AM  
Since the US invaded more US citizens have been killed in Detroit that Afghanistan.
 
2012-09-30 11:32:17 AM  

detroitdoesntsuckthatbad: Since the US invaded more US citizens have been killed in Detroit that than Afghanistan.


FTFM

/too early to proof read
 
2012-09-30 11:35:05 AM  

detroitdoesntsuckthatbad: detroitdoesntsuckthatbad: Since the US invaded more US citizens have been killed in Detroit that than Afghanistan.

FTFM

/too early to proof read


That's kinda funny (not like, "ha ha" funny...like 10,000 spoons funny), given your handle there.
 
2012-09-30 11:43:49 AM  

MFAWG: stirfrybry: I must have missed the countdown like the media did for Bush in Iraq. Liberal bias in its most obvious form.

Perfect. You just can't farking see it, can you?

Asshole.


Actually, you really didn't address his point. Just handwaved a superior attitude and called a name.
 
2012-09-30 11:44:34 AM  

GORDON: He has only had 4 years to get us out. He promised to get us out when he ran.

Obama 2012.


Yep.
 
2012-09-30 11:45:01 AM  

stirfrybry: I must have missed the countdown like the media did for Bush in Iraq. Liberal bias in its most obvious form.

F*ck you....

wedun:
crab66: Regardless of the politics. Living or dead.


Thank you for your service.

I'm glad that you support the troops. Some people, like the liberals, don't support the troops, you can tell because they were opposed to defendind america in 2003. They also made us lose in Iraq.

F*ck you....


Frederick:
doglover: Frederick: I still dont really understand this directive

Let's accidentally drop a 2000 lb bomb on your house while you're at work because some insurgents were hiding in the one next to it and we hit kinda in the middle.

When you come home to the smoking ruin that was your house and all your possessions have been burned or looted and anyone who you loved in the home is now gone and you personally have to watch and avoid IEDs and occasionally traffic is stopped for gun battles...

That is based in some kind of reality with you? Good grief!!

There are so many logical problems with your absurd scenario I cant imagine how you even presented it.

and finally, F*ck you....

Spoken like a true neocon chickenhawk....now STFU and go back to looking for the 'birth certificate'...

 
2012-09-30 11:45:34 AM  

farkeruk: I'd still like to know what the opposition's alternative was.

My neighbour was against it and I was like "so, what would you have done about the Taliban?". "Bush and Blair are war criminals" "No, what would YOU have done about the Taliban?" **crickets**


Yep.
 
2012-09-30 11:48:56 AM  

Shadowtag: Cue the people whose political smugness outweighs their human decency.

/Much respect to those who gave their lives for it.


It must be great being a liberal! You get to talk out of all four sides of your mouth, as needed, without the least twinge of guilt or even embarrassment.
 
2012-09-30 11:53:01 AM  

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: farkeruk: I'd still like to know what the opposition's alternative was.

My neighbour was against it and I was like "so, what would you have done about the Taliban?". "Bush and Blair are war criminals" "No, what would YOU have done about the Taliban?" **crickets**

Yep.


I, personally, would have done precisely fark all about the Taliban, because the Taliban wasn't our f*cking problem. And until you advocate invading every third-world hellhole to teach the Savages the Glory of Democracy, I'll maintain that you, and every other chickenhawk neocon, are full of shiat when you talk about wanting to liberate the poor oppressed Afghanis and Iraqis.
 
2012-09-30 11:54:58 AM  

jso2897: 1973 just called. It said to tell you that wars of occupation suck, and cannot be won by democracies where the leaders running the war are ultimately accountable to things other that their own sociopathic desires. If you simply kill everything that moves and send in your own people to seize the land, then successful occupation is a snap.
Kthnxby.

 
2012-09-30 11:55:40 AM  
In Afghanistan now. Launching a half dozen ICBMs at this place would only improve it. The people don't want to fix their own country. I used to be one of those people that said we should stay until it's done, now... Let's get the FARK out of here. Nothing here but a bunch of backwards people who don't want westernized things. If China want the minerals from the mountains so bad let them come in here and convert the place to a communist country it would work better for everyone.
 
2012-09-30 11:57:00 AM  

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: farkeruk: I'd still like to know what the opposition's alternative was.

My neighbour was against it and I was like "so, what would you have done about the Taliban?". "Bush and Blair are war criminals" "No, what would YOU have done about the Taliban?" **crickets**

Yep.


It's truly not all that complex. You treat people who attempt to do us harm as the criminals they are. You get your shiat together so that a bunch of dudes (saudi, as has been been mentioned) who were living within miles of the NSA can't fly under the radar, as it were. You react proportionally to the threat. You don't bankrupt the country and sell out our core values and the rule of law because of the scawy bearded guys.

What is YOUR solution to elements in Yemen, Saudi, Pakistan (which we have actually payed to kill us to make this entire debacle possible), who would do us harm? Should we be ineffectively trying to run those countries too?
 
2012-09-30 12:06:46 PM  
Can we GTFO now?
 
2012-09-30 12:12:19 PM  
Freedom!
z.about.com

/vet
 
2012-09-30 12:12:49 PM  
This will be zero comfort to any of the family members of the poor 2000 unfortunate soldiers who died there, but to put things in perspective the US lost over 50,000 troops in Viet Nam. In 1968 alone (the worst year for casualties) they exceeded 16,000.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vietnam_War_casualties#United_States_arm e d_forces
 
2012-09-30 12:15:54 PM  

detroitdoesntsuckthatbad: Since the US invaded more US citizens have been killed in Detroit that Afghanistan.


I love statements like this. So devoid of any meaning at all.
 
2012-09-30 12:25:29 PM  

crab66: Regardless of the politics. Living or dead.


Thank you for your service.


This
 
2012-09-30 12:27:14 PM  

kim jong-un: 06Wahoo: Therion: 2,000? What's the big deal?
More men died in the first thirty seconds at Antietam! It's a small price to pay to bring Democracy to the heathen wogs over there. USA! USA! USA!

( pukes)

This is the kind of view that concerns me. Are we going to have the stomach to fight a real war? If WWIII arrives, are we going to hide in our shells when we reach a couple thousand deaths within a couple months rather than more than a decade? Certainly, I don't want to see our country lose any troops and the 2,000 who gave their lives had them cut far too short, but war is not going anywhere, whether we are willing to take part or not.

You may be only partially serious in what you are saying, but too many people seem to fully believe this. I truly fear for the future of this country.

Personally, I think the issue is that spending lives and money on an opponent that isn't really a threat is an issue.

Besides, WWIII is not something I'm worried about winning. If WWIII occurs, we (as in everyone) is so completely farked that I think we could declare mankind to have failed.


It has already begun to occur (IMO). It's inevitable as the continuation of WWII, in the same way that was a continuation of WWI. We have always been at war, in a loose sense.
 
2012-09-30 12:34:29 PM  
Two thousand reasons to vote for Gary Johnson for president.
 
2012-09-30 12:38:10 PM  

gnarr: detroitdoesntsuckthatbad: Since the US invaded more US citizens have been killed in Detroit that Afghanistan.

I love statements like this. So devoid of any meaning at all.


It's an interesting statistic and I think the meaning is "Detroit is more dangerous than Afghanistan"
 
2012-09-30 12:40:54 PM  

Electrify: Kit Fister: MFAWG: Kit Fister: Frederick: doglover: Frederick: I still dont really understand this directive

Let's accidentally drop a 2000 lb bomb on your house while you're at work because some insurgents were hiding in the one next to it and we hit kinda in the middle.

When you come home to the smoking ruin that was your house and all your possessions have been burned or looted and anyone who you loved in the home is now gone and you personally have to watch and avoid IEDs and occasionally traffic is stopped for gun battles...

That is based in some kind of reality with you? Good grief!!

There are so many logical problems with your absurd scenario I cant imagine how you even presented it.

The idea behind it is to prevent the violence of insurgents/terrorists/radical fanatics from coming here. We can either make war with them there, or we can fight the battles here, and if we weren't engaging them, they would find ways to attack us here.

Would you prefer malls being shot up, buildings blowing up, etc here? Personally, I'd rather they suffered the consequences of their actions in their own back yard.

I saw a story last week where some dumbass GOPPER Congressman was hanging on to this talking point for dear life, right up until he got a letter from an actual troop in the field.

Hey, so far they blew up the wtc twice. Not so much anything else since we started fighting them on their own soil. Only terrorists we've dealt with here are some asian dude at virginia tech and two mentally unstable white guys in az and co

I have a magic rock I'd like to sell to you...

/bet you voted for Bush in 04 because he kept America safe, right?


Actually, no, I voted third party
 
2012-09-30 12:47:59 PM  

detroitdoesntsuckthatbad: gnarr: detroitdoesntsuckthatbad: Since the US invaded more US citizens have been killed in Detroit that Afghanistan.

I love statements like this. So devoid of any meaning at all.

It's an interesting statistic and I think the meaning is "Detroit is more dangerous than Afghanistan"


For US citizens, maybe.
 
2012-09-30 12:53:52 PM  

LordJiro: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: farkeruk: I'd still like to know what the opposition's alternative was.

My neighbour was against it and I was like "so, what would you have done about the Taliban?". "Bush and Blair are war criminals" "No, what would YOU have done about the Taliban?" **crickets**

Yep.

I, personally, would have done precisely fark all about the Taliban, because the Taliban wasn't our f*cking problem. And until you advocate invading every third-world hellhole to teach the Savages the Glory of Democracy, I'll maintain that you, and every other chickenhawk neocon, are full of shiat when you talk about wanting to liberate the poor oppressed Afghanis and Iraqis.


The Taliban - the "legitimate" (i.e.: whatever gang of thugs controls things) government of Afghanistan - hosted OBL and AQ training/operations inside their country. That kind of shiat has to be discouraged. You do that by invading, kicking out the current government, and killing as many of them as possible. That leaves a smoking example for the next group of thugs somewhere else to ponder.
 
2012-09-30 12:58:31 PM  

lenfromak: Two thousand reasons to vote for Gary Johnson for president.


Sounds to me like he's just anti war/big government. Easy stance to take. When he taxes capital gains as income, and executes an exorbitant inheritance tax, I'll give him a shot.

/Former NM resident and current NM land owner.
 
2012-09-30 01:03:53 PM  

modesto: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: farkeruk: I'd still like to know what the opposition's alternative was.

My neighbour was against it and I was like "so, what would you have done about the Taliban?". "Bush and Blair are war criminals" "No, what would YOU have done about the Taliban?" **crickets**

Yep.

It's truly not all that complex. You treat people who attempt to do us harm as the criminals they are. You get your shiat together so that a bunch of dudes (saudi, as has been been mentioned) who were living within miles of the NSA can't fly under the radar, as it were. You react proportionally to the threat. You don't bankrupt the country and sell out our core values and the rule of law because of the scawy bearded guys.

What is YOUR solution to elements in Yemen, Saudi, Pakistan (which we have actually payed to kill us to make this entire debacle possible), who would do us harm? Should we be ineffectively trying to run those countries too?


Hlaf of the populations of those countries are essentially slaves. Send in fleets of B-52 bombers loaded with megatons of.... women's lib articles written in Arabic, small easily-hidden knives, small easily-hidden loaded guns, female contraceptives, and anything else which the subversive female elements (there are a few) there can effectively use. Blanket those countries with all this shiat parachuted down.

Oh, and pics like this:

transition.usaid.gov 

The problems will then solve themselves.
 
2012-09-30 01:16:08 PM  

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: LordJiro: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: farkeruk: I'd still like to know what the opposition's alternative was.

My neighbour was against it and I was like "so, what would you have done about the Taliban?". "Bush and Blair are war criminals" "No, what would YOU have done about the Taliban?" **crickets**

Yep.

I, personally, would have done precisely fark all about the Taliban, because the Taliban wasn't our f*cking problem. And until you advocate invading every third-world hellhole to teach the Savages the Glory of Democracy, I'll maintain that you, and every other chickenhawk neocon, are full of shiat when you talk about wanting to liberate the poor oppressed Afghanis and Iraqis.

The Taliban - the "legitimate" (i.e.: whatever gang of thugs controls things) government of Afghanistan - hosted OBL and AQ training/operations inside their country. That kind of shiat has to be discouraged. You do that by invading, kicking out the current government, and killing as many of them as possible. That leaves a smoking example for the next group of thugs somewhere else to ponder.


Yes, cause that's worked fantastically with our buddies the Pakistanis.
 
2012-09-30 01:25:17 PM  

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: modesto: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: farkeruk: Hlaf of the populations of those countries are essentially slaves. Send in fleets of B-52 bombers loaded with megatons of.... women's lib articles written in Arabic, small easily-hidden knives, small easily-hidden loaded guns, female contraceptives, and anything else which the subversive female elements (there are a few) there can effectively use. Blanket those countries with all this shiat parachuted down.

Oh, and pics like this:

[transition.usaid.gov image 250x297] 

The problems will then solve themselves.


Put that in terms that are actually capable of occurring in the real world, and i totally agree with you. There are plenty of local and international groups working on education, livelihoods, gender issues, contraception, health care and democracy building. Donate your time or money to them. Unfortunately that side of American Exceptionalism (tm) is displayed far less then the "blow something up" kind.
 
2012-09-30 01:35:49 PM  

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: LordJiro: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: farkeruk: I'd still like to know what the opposition's alternative was.

My neighbour was against it and I was like "so, what would you have done about the Taliban?". "Bush and Blair are war criminals" "No, what would YOU have done about the Taliban?" **crickets**

Yep.

I, personally, would have done precisely fark all about the Taliban, because the Taliban wasn't our f*cking problem. And until you advocate invading every third-world hellhole to teach the Savages the Glory of Democracy, I'll maintain that you, and every other chickenhawk neocon, are full of shiat when you talk about wanting to liberate the poor oppressed Afghanis and Iraqis.

The Taliban - the "legitimate" (i.e.: whatever gang of thugs controls things) government of Afghanistan - hosted OBL and AQ training/operations inside their country. That kind of shiat has to be discouraged. You do that by invading, kicking out the current government, and killing as many of them as possible. That leaves a smoking example for the next group of thugs somewhere else to ponder.


Yep. And the Khyber Pass had nothing to do with it.
 
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