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2012-09-30 09:00:25 AM

Kit Fister: Bungles: LordJiro: GORDON: Bungles: GORDON: He has only had 4 years to get us out. He promised to get us out when he ran.

Obama 2012.


Have you confused Afghanistan with Iraq?

/easy to do, the neo-cons did.

Yeah, the "but the terrorists and mastermind were all from Saudi Arabia" jab only applies when talking about Bush. Of course Afghanistan was not one of the "illegal wars" he promised to end. He meant iraq and some other illegal war.

He had 4 years to end the wars and shut down Guantanamo. Iraq ended on Bush's timetable, we're still in Afghanistan, and Guantanamo is out of the news but still chugging along as full as ever. To report on it is bad for him, so it doesn't get reported.

But I will vote for that lying piece of shiat again because hey, the other guy is a mormon and I am hugely biased against those people.

Obama CAMPAIGNED on focusing on Afghanistan. And his opponents were very vocally against ending Iraq on Bush's timetable; remember, they also fought tooth and nail to prevent Bush's handouts tax cuts for the rich from ending on schedule.

As for Guantanamo, Obama signed an executive order to close the place, but Congress refused to pay for it, because apparently Muslims have terrorist superpowers that will allow them to break out of American prisons. I guess Cuban soil is like Muslim kryptonite.



Originally it less that Mooslimms have secret super powers (although that's what the main defense has apparently morphed into over 10 years), but rather that if it's not on US soil, slicing off nipples and making inmates urinate on each other apparently isn't torture and maltreatment..

Oh, and apparently habeas corpus is some sort of actual physical field that only covers the continental US.

KEEP THE MOOSLIMMS OUT OF THE HABEAS CORPUS FIELD! THEY WILL ESCAPE!

Since when did habeas corpus apply to enemy combatants being detained?


Since always. You do know POWs get a hearing in the field, right?
 
2012-09-30 09:01:36 AM
um, i thought the US hit 2000 a looong time ago. like 3 years ago. i swear. well, thats like 1000 civilians for every solider! great work guys!`

Im not joking.
 
2012-09-30 09:04:05 AM
So did the 2000th get a prize, like the millionth customer at a grocery store?
 
2012-09-30 09:05:24 AM

Kit Fister: Bungles: LordJiro: GORDON: Bungles: GORDON: He has only had 4 years to get us out. He promised to get us out when he ran.

Obama 2012.


Have you confused Afghanistan with Iraq?

/easy to do, the neo-cons did.

Yeah, the "but the terrorists and mastermind were all from Saudi Arabia" jab only applies when talking about Bush. Of course Afghanistan was not one of the "illegal wars" he promised to end. He meant iraq and some other illegal war.

He had 4 years to end the wars and shut down Guantanamo. Iraq ended on Bush's timetable, we're still in Afghanistan, and Guantanamo is out of the news but still chugging along as full as ever. To report on it is bad for him, so it doesn't get reported.

But I will vote for that lying piece of shiat again because hey, the other guy is a mormon and I am hugely biased against those people.

Obama CAMPAIGNED on focusing on Afghanistan. And his opponents were very vocally against ending Iraq on Bush's timetable; remember, they also fought tooth and nail to prevent Bush's handouts tax cuts for the rich from ending on schedule.

As for Guantanamo, Obama signed an executive order to close the place, but Congress refused to pay for it, because apparently Muslims have terrorist superpowers that will allow them to break out of American prisons. I guess Cuban soil is like Muslim kryptonite.



Originally it less that Mooslimms have secret super powers (although that's what the main defense has apparently morphed into over 10 years), but rather that if it's not on US soil, slicing off nipples and making inmates urinate on each other apparently isn't torture and maltreatment..

Oh, and apparently habeas corpus is some sort of actual physical field that only covers the continental US.

KEEP THE MOOSLIMMS OUT OF THE HABEAS CORPUS FIELD! THEY WILL ESCAPE!

Since when did habeas corpus apply to enemy combatants being detained?




Since when is a person kidnapped on a connecting flight in Europe and then rendered an "enemy combatant"?

"Enemy combatant" has a specific meaning - a member of the armed forces that a country is at war with - and it's only in the last 10 years that the Bush administration used it to mean "anyone, anywhere in the world, not of US citizenship, who we wish to interrogate".
 
2012-09-30 09:06:09 AM

Mugato: So did the 2000th get a prize, like the millionth customer at a grocery store?


i think he got a free funeral. lolol
 
2012-09-30 09:08:58 AM

Bungles: "Enemy combatant" has a specific meaning - a member of the armed forces that a country is at war with - and it's only in the last 10 years that the Bush administration used it to mean "anyone, anywhere in the world, not of US citizenship, who we wish to interrogate".


That's why called it the war on terror, which makes about as much sense as the war on the color blue. But it means they can treat anyone like a POW.
 
2012-09-30 09:09:06 AM

F22raptom: Mugato: So did the 2000th get a prize, like the millionth customer at a grocery store?

i think he got a free funeral. lolol


Actually, he made us pay for it.

/Damn 47%er
//DERP
 
2012-09-30 09:09:16 AM

Kyle Butler: Would not fill up one panel on the Vietnam memorial


Well then, at least we're not going backwards. Too bad we're not moving forward, either.
 
2012-09-30 09:09:31 AM

Therion: 2,000? What's the big deal?
More men died in the first thirty seconds at Antietam! It's a small price to pay to bring Democracy to the heathen wogs over there. USA! USA! USA!

( pukes)


This is the kind of view that concerns me. Are we going to have the stomach to fight a real war? If WWIII arrives, are we going to hide in our shells when we reach a couple thousand deaths within a couple months rather than more than a decade? Certainly, I don't want to see our country lose any troops and the 2,000 who gave their lives had them cut far too short, but war is not going anywhere, whether we are willing to take part or not.

You may be only partially serious in what you are saying, but too many people seem to fully believe this. I truly fear for the future of this country.
 
2012-09-30 09:11:46 AM

Mugato: Bungles: "Enemy combatant" has a specific meaning - a member of the armed forces that a country is at war with - and it's only in the last 10 years that the Bush administration used it to mean "anyone, anywhere in the world, not of US citizenship, who we wish to interrogate".

That's why called it the war on terror, which makes about as much sense as the war on the color blue. But it means they can treat anyone like a POW.


Hey congress signed the bill approving a state of war on organizations connected to terrorism. So, yeah, it was just the bush administration.
 
2012-09-30 09:13:17 AM

06Wahoo: Therion: 2,000? What's the big deal?
More men died in the first thirty seconds at Antietam! It's a small price to pay to bring Democracy to the heathen wogs over there. USA! USA! USA!

( pukes)

This is the kind of view that concerns me. Are we going to have the stomach to fight a real war? If WWIII arrives, are we going to hide in our shells when we reach a couple thousand deaths within a couple months rather than more than a decade? Certainly, I don't want to see our country lose any troops and the 2,000 who gave their lives had them cut far too short, but war is not going anywhere, whether we are willing to take part or not.

You may be only partially serious in what you are saying, but too many people seem to fully believe this. I truly fear for the future of this country.


We will if there is a clearly articulated strategical goal. Hanging around for ever shifting definitions of 'Success' isn't cutting it.
 
2012-09-30 09:13:58 AM

Kit Fister: Mugato: Bungles: "Enemy combatant" has a specific meaning - a member of the armed forces that a country is at war with - and it's only in the last 10 years that the Bush administration used it to mean "anyone, anywhere in the world, not of US citizenship, who we wish to interrogate".

That's why called it the war on terror, which makes about as much sense as the war on the color blue. But it means they can treat anyone like a POW.

Hey congress signed the bill approving a state of war on organizations connected to terrorism. So, yeah, it was just the bush administration.


Show me.
 
2012-09-30 09:14:55 AM
Not a peep from the non-biased, mainstream media. What would the reaction be if it were George Bush or Mitt Romney in the White House? What would be the reaction if George Bush had released a prisoner from Gitmo and they were involved in a terrorist attack?

Drink the Kool-Aid...
 
2012-09-30 09:17:04 AM

Mean Daddy: Not a peep from the non-biased, mainstream media. What would the reaction be if it were George Bush or Mitt Romney in the White House? What would be the reaction if George Bush had released a prisoner from Gitmo and they were involved in a terrorist attack?

Drink the Kool-Aid...


Bullshiat. Lead story on CNN's website when I went to bed last night.
 
2012-09-30 09:17:09 AM

doglover: After 10 years? That's nearly 0 losses each day. Not bad odds when you're in a hostile foreign country engaging in a war and occupying territory.


You're right occupying anything is dumb, or is this a good occupy? Everyone in this pic is as scraggly as an insurgent its hard to tell anymore
i946.photobucket.com
 
2012-09-30 09:19:37 AM
their's is not to wonder why
their's is but to do and die.

i still don't understand why people mourn the death of people who signed up to die, and ignore the deaths of the million people who got bombed / shot / 'sploded / raped n killed / torn limb from limb at the hand of the hired killers.
 
2012-09-30 09:21:18 AM

Mean Daddy: Not a peep from the non-biased, mainstream media. What would the reaction be if it were George Bush or Mitt Romney in the White House? What would be the reaction if George Bush had released a prisoner from Gitmo and they were involved in a terrorist attack?

Drink the Kool-Aid...


I really don't think people are buying that "liberal media" crap much anymore.
 
2012-09-30 09:22:06 AM

GORDON: He promised to get us out when he ran.


[citation needed]
 
2012-09-30 09:22:40 AM

MFAWG: Kit Fister: Mugato: Bungles: "Enemy combatant" has a specific meaning - a member of the armed forces that a country is at war with - and it's only in the last 10 years that the Bush administration used it to mean "anyone, anywhere in the world, not of US citizenship, who we wish to interrogate".

That's why called it the war on terror, which makes about as much sense as the war on the color blue. But it means they can treat anyone like a POW.

Hey congress signed the bill approving a state of war on organizations connected to terrorism. So, yeah, it was just the bush administration.

Show me.


http://peaceispatriotic.org/bills/WarTerror.html
http://peaceispatriotic.org/bills/WarTerror.html#houseVote
http://peaceispatriotic.org/bills/WarTerror.html#senateVote

That's the first hit off of google...
 
2012-09-30 09:22:48 AM
Well, almost 25,000 civilians have been killed, so we're like way ahead, or something.
 
2012-09-30 09:23:10 AM
news.bbcimg.co.uk


also, big hoorays for gays openly in the military! kill us some good ones, bois!
 
2012-09-30 09:23:11 AM

Kit Fister: Actually, every supermax prison that wanted to house the prisoners, or was willing to, got shouted down by the NIMBYs near said prisons who were deathly afraid that they might become targets.


i560.photobucket.com

So, when you wind up with no place to put the inmates, what do you do?

You tell the cowards that if you don't get to put the suspects (have any been found guilty yet? in an actual trial?) in the local supermax, you'll have to let them go home. Maybe that'll change some minds.
 
2012-09-30 09:27:53 AM
This makes my heart heavy.

Stay safe, my brothers and sisters.

/Witchy is a former Army Infantryman

5/87 INF - Just Cause
2/187th INF Desert Storm
 
2012-09-30 09:28:45 AM

Onkel Buck: doglover: After 10 years? That's nearly 0 losses each day. Not bad odds when you're in a hostile foreign country engaging in a war and occupying territory.

You're right occupying anything is dumb, or is this a good occupy? Everyone in this pic is as scraggly as an insurgent its hard to tell anymore
[i946.photobucket.com image 498x397]


I find it sad that Boomers are so quick to mock their own children's activism ... just like their parents did to them. The generation has become the embodiment of hypocrisy.

I guess you do become your (dad/mom). Scientists call it "Age Related Dementia".
 
2012-09-30 09:29:49 AM

Therion: 2,000? What's the big deal?
More men died in the first thirty seconds at Antietam! It's a small price to pay to bring Democracy to the heathen wogs over there. USA! USA! USA!

( pukes)


If I had my way, I'd force all of the people that voted for this crap ( some D's, lots of R's) and most of the talking heads ( Hannity, Limbaugh, Beck, Savage) to go over there and fight. Granted, it would be like the Children's Crusade back in the 13th century, but it would teach us to stay far away from that part of the world.
 
2012-09-30 09:31:21 AM

Uncle Tractor:

You tell the cowards that if you don't get to put the suspects (have any been found guilty yet? in an actual trial?) in the local supermax, you'll have to let them go home. Maybe that'll change some minds.


Okay, and while I admit i was wrong about POWs getting field hearings, that still doesn't mean much...
 
2012-09-30 09:35:41 AM

Forbidden Doughnut: Therion: 2,000? What's the big deal?
More men died in the first thirty seconds at Antietam! It's a small price to pay to bring Democracy to the heathen wogs over there. USA! USA! USA!

( pukes)

If I had my way, I'd force all of the people that voted for this crap ( some D's, lots of R's) and most of the talking heads ( Hannity, Limbaugh, Beck, Savage) to go over there and fight. Granted, it would be like the Children's Crusade back in the 13th century, but it would teach us to stay far away from that part of the world.


I have to echo the sentiment form upthread about whether or not our country would have the stones to fight another real war, or whether we'd be screaming about the deaths that came in fighting an organized military. Few hundred thousand on D-Day, another few hundred thou at the battle of the bulge...
 
2012-09-30 09:38:13 AM

06Wahoo: This is the kind of view that concerns me. Are we going to have the stomach to fight a real war? If WWIII arrives, are we going to hide in our shells when we reach a couple thousand deaths within a couple months rather than more than a decade? Certainly, I don't want to see our country lose any troops and the 2,000 who gave their lives had them cut far too short, but war is not going anywhere, whether we are willing to take part or not.

You may be only partially serious in what you are saying, but too many people seem to fully believe this. I truly fear for the future of this country.


Peoples attitudes would change if you had a real war situation.

Take the 1930s. People in Britain thought Churchill was a dangerous crank in the early 1930s because he'd read Mein Kampf and told people that this Hitler guy was a farking lunatic and should be dealt with. One piece of history that's often edited out about Chamberlain is that when he returned with his "piece of paper", he was presented at Buckingham Palace, on the balcony, in front of a cheering crowd as he had avoided war. No-one protested as bits of Versailles were ridden over roughshod, or the Jews in Germany were treated like shiat, or as politicians gave the Sudetenland to the Germans.

It was only when people realised that Hitler was going to come for them that they stopped being such nancies and fought, and people fought like crazy.
 
2012-09-30 09:38:57 AM

Kit Fister:
I have to echo the sentiment form upthread about whether or not our country would have the stones to fight another real war, or whether we'd be screaming about the deaths that came in fighting an organized military. Few hundred thousand on D-Day, another few hundred thou at the battle of the bulge...


Yeah, it's really scary to think that we're coming to see lives as less disposable than we did previously.
 
2012-09-30 09:40:00 AM

wedun: crab66: Regardless of the politics. Living or dead.


Thank you for your service.

I'm glad that you support the troops. Some people, like the liberals, don't support the troops, you can tell because they were opposed to defendind america in 2003. They also made us lose in Iraq.


I'm liberal, and I support the troops 100%.
It's the government sending them there that I'm getting pissed at.
Let's declare victory and bring them all home NOW.
 
2012-09-30 09:42:43 AM

modesto: Kit Fister:
I have to echo the sentiment form upthread about whether or not our country would have the stones to fight another real war, or whether we'd be screaming about the deaths that came in fighting an organized military. Few hundred thousand on D-Day, another few hundred thou at the battle of the bulge...

Yeah, it's really scary to think that we're coming to see lives as less disposable than we did previously.


...or that we're unwilling to fight for causes that are actually worth dying for. Do I think the middle east is worth it? Not really, beyond my general conviction that fighting tyrannical and oppressive regimes anywhere you find them is worth it, if it means we can stop the abuse of women and children, or needless suffering. However, if we actually have to fight a war against an organized enemy, then I just hope that we're willing to stand up and fight against them.
 
2012-09-30 09:49:18 AM

ka1axy: wedun: crab66: Regardless of the politics. Living or dead.


Thank you for your service.

I'm glad that you support the troops. Some people, like the liberals, don't support the troops, you can tell because they were opposed to defendind america in 2003. They also made us lose in Iraq.

I'm liberal, and I support the troops 100%.
It's the government sending them there that I'm getting pissed at.
Let's declare victory and bring them all home NOW.


This is going to be a squirrelly one. If we declare "Victory" and pull out, what's to stop them from coming back in and retaliating against us because of our "hubris"? If we declare defeat and pull out, they retaliate and think it open season. If we stay there, we endure their anger and their continued violence.

How do you defeat an enemy that is fanatical and refuses to understand reason. Unfortunately, today, tomorrow, next week, next year, next decade...we're going to have to deal with these people, just like we have over the last 40+ years. It ain't going to end overnight.
 
2012-09-30 09:51:59 AM

Kit Fister: How do you defeat an enemy that is fanatical and refuses to understand reason.


I don't know. We could ask the rest of the world how they deal with America.
 
2012-09-30 09:54:42 AM

Kit Fister: modesto: Kit Fister:
I have to echo the sentiment form upthread about whether or not our country would have the stones to fight another real war, or whether we'd be screaming about the deaths that came in fighting an organized military. Few hundred thousand on D-Day, another few hundred thou at the battle of the bulge...

Yeah, it's really scary to think that we're coming to see lives as less disposable than we did previously.

...or that we're unwilling to fight for causes that are actually worth dying for. Do I think the middle east is worth it? Not really, beyond my general conviction that fighting tyrannical and oppressive regimes anywhere you find them is worth it, if it means we can stop the abuse of women and children, or needless suffering. However, if we actually have to fight a war against an organized enemy, then I just hope that we're willing to stand up and fight against them.


Ahh, the militant humanitarian. I used to feel that way. Cheered when we rolled through kabul. I was an idiot. We have proven ourselves inept at this over and over again. To implement that doctrine we would need to invade Saudi Arabia, Sudan, Somalia, Eritrea, Ethiopia, Syria, Mali, Uganda, Zimbabwe....just to name a few. Can't think of one intervention of our many that could be called successful by your standards.

I for one am happy that we are probably unwilling to engage in mass-casualty warfare. We live in the era of mutually assured destruction, after all. Not sure at what point we will need to prepare for an invasion by China. Of course our aversion to casualties also results in the mass slaughter of civilians by drone. Yay freedom.
 
2012-09-30 09:55:00 AM

nmemkha: Kit Fister: How do you defeat an enemy that is fanatical and refuses to understand reason.

I don't know. We could ask the rest of the world how they deal with America.


We could do that, but then we could also ask them what they would do if America wasn't there bearing the brunt of the NATO actions they want, and wasn't there haul their asses out of the fire when they couldn't handle it.

But yes, America is bad, horrible, terrible, and a terrorist nation. Let's go with that.

/puke
 
2012-09-30 09:58:31 AM

modesto: Well, almost 25,000 civilians have been killed, so we're like way ahead, or something.


There would be a lot less if the Taliban wore uniforms and didn't place military units in civilian areas.
 
2012-09-30 10:00:55 AM

farkeruk: modesto: Well, almost 25,000 civilians have been killed, so we're like way ahead, or something.

There would be a lot less if the Taliban wore uniforms and didn't place military units in civilian areas.


And likely even fewer if we just came home and didn't feel compelled to swing our dick across the entire planet.
 
2012-09-30 10:01:31 AM
Stop starting wars you can't win, you'll die less.

Oh right... the middle east. You need their oil, they need your democracy.
 
2012-09-30 10:02:18 AM

Kit Fister: nmemkha: Kit Fister: How do you defeat an enemy that is fanatical and refuses to understand reason.

I don't know. We could ask the rest of the world how they deal with America.

We could do that, but then we could also ask them what they would do if America wasn't there bearing the brunt of the NATO actions they want, and wasn't there haul their asses out of the fire when they couldn't handle it.

But yes, America is bad, horrible, terrible, and a terrorist nation. Let's go with that.

/puke


Ask anyone from a nation that America has "helped" in recent history and see what they say. We would do well to mind our own affairs rather than send our youth half a world away into the midst of the enemy to die all in the name "American Interests" (i.e. those of a few rich old men).
 
2012-09-30 10:03:00 AM
Stop starting wars you can't win, you'll die less.

Oh right... it's the middle east and you need their oil, they need your democracy. 

How's that working out so far?
 
2012-09-30 10:04:00 AM

GORDON: Bungles: GORDON: He has only had 4 years to get us out. He promised to get us out when he ran.

Obama 2012.


Have you confused Afghanistan with Iraq?

/easy to do, the neo-cons did.

Yeah, the "but the terrorists and mastermind were all from Saudi Arabia" jab only applies when talking about Bush. Of course Afghanistan was not one of the "illegal wars" he promised to end. He meant iraq and some other illegal war.

He had 4 years to end the wars and shut down Guantanamo. Iraq ended on Bush's timetable, we're still in Afghanistan, and Guantanamo is out of the news but still chugging along as full as ever. To report on it is bad for him, so it doesn't get reported.

But I will vote for that lying piece of shiat again because hey, the other guy is a mormon and I am hugely biased against those people.


GOP obstructionism, how does that work?
 
2012-09-30 10:04:19 AM

Kit Fister: This is going to be a squirrelly one. If we declare "Victory" and pull out, what's to stop them from coming back in and retaliating against us because of our "hubris"? If we declare defeat and pull out, they retaliate and think it open season. If we stay there, we endure their anger and their continued violence.


It must suck to be constantly scared shiatless all the time.
 
2012-09-30 10:08:02 AM

farkeruk: I'd still like to know what the opposition's alternative was.

My neighbour was against it and I was like "so, what would you have done about the Taliban?". "Bush and Blair are war criminals" "No, what would YOU have done about the Taliban?" **crickets**


I'm not really "the opposition" but that's a strange question. What's wrong with the answer, "I would've told them their mothers were hamsters and their fathers smelt of elderberries?"


GORDON: Bungles: GORDON: He has only had 4 years to get us out. He promised to get us out when he ran.

Obama 2012.


Have you confused Afghanistan with Iraq?

/easy to do, the neo-cons did.

Yeah, the "but the terrorists and mastermind were all from Saudi Arabia" jab only applies when talking about Bush. Of course Afghanistan was not one of the "illegal wars" he promised to end. He meant iraq and some other illegal war.


"My first order as Commander in Chief will be to end the war in Iraq and refocus our efforts on Afghanistan and our broader security interests. ... the central front in the war on terror is not in Iraq, and it never was. The central front is in Afghanistan and Pakistan. ..." Link 

Obama promised to put more troops into Afghanistan so as to WIN the war there, but it would be completely disingenuous to suggest that he promised to "end" or "get us out of" Afghanistan in the same sense as withdrawing from Iraq.
 
2012-09-30 10:10:48 AM

modesto: Ahh, the militant humanitarian. I used to feel that way. Cheered when we rolled through kabul. I was an idiot. We have proven ourselves inept at this over and over again. To implement that doctrine we would need to invade Saudi Arabia, Sudan, Somalia, Eritrea, Ethiopia, Syria, Mali, Uganda, Zimbabwe....just to name a few. Can't think of one intervention of our many that could be called successful by your standards.


How are you going to launch an attack on Zimbabwe without the support of South Africa? Where's your supply lines for your troops?
 
2012-09-30 10:10:53 AM

doglover: After 10 years? That's nearly 0 losses each day. Not bad odds when you're in a hostile foreign country engaging in a war and occupying territory.


Stupidest comment ever. I'll assume there's sarcasm at play here.
 
2012-09-30 10:11:41 AM

Mugato: Kit Fister: This is going to be a squirrelly one. If we declare "Victory" and pull out, what's to stop them from coming back in and retaliating against us because of our "hubris"? If we declare defeat and pull out, they retaliate and think it open season. If we stay there, we endure their anger and their continued violence.

It must suck to be constantly scared shiatless all the time.


You assume that I'm scared of those asshats? Really? I'm not scared of them at all. However, realistically, they will likely keep on doing what they're doing, and people will keep on dying whether we're there or not.

Now, can we discuss things like adults without the insults?
 
2012-09-30 10:12:58 AM

Kit Fister: Mugato: Kit Fister: This is going to be a squirrelly one. If we declare "Victory" and pull out, what's to stop them from coming back in and retaliating against us because of our "hubris"? If we declare defeat and pull out, they retaliate and think it open season. If we stay there, we endure their anger and their continued violence.

It must suck to be constantly scared shiatless all the time.

You assume that I'm scared of those asshats? Really? I'm not scared of them at all. However, realistically, they will likely keep on doing what they're doing, and people will keep on dying whether we're there or not.

Now, can we discuss things like adults without the insults?


Sure can. Go get mommy or daddy and tell them someone at Fark would like to speak with them. Okay, sweetpea?
 
2012-09-30 10:13:15 AM

modesto: And likely even fewer if we just came home and didn't feel compelled to swing our dick across the entire planet.


I'm not a military strategist so can you tell me what happens after that, and whether you'd be happy with those outcomes?
 
2012-09-30 10:14:08 AM

nmemkha: Kit Fister: Mugato: Kit Fister: This is going to be a squirrelly one. If we declare "Victory" and pull out, what's to stop them from coming back in and retaliating against us because of our "hubris"? If we declare defeat and pull out, they retaliate and think it open season. If we stay there, we endure their anger and their continued violence.

It must suck to be constantly scared shiatless all the time.

You assume that I'm scared of those asshats? Really? I'm not scared of them at all. However, realistically, they will likely keep on doing what they're doing, and people will keep on dying whether we're there or not.

Now, can we discuss things like adults without the insults?

Sure can. Go get mommy or daddy and tell them someone at Fark would like to speak with them. Okay, sweetpea?


How cute. It's almost like you can't have an honest conversation with someone that doesn't agree with your point of view and have to act like an asshat yourself. So, let's start again. Can we have a discussion like adults without the insults?
 
2012-09-30 10:16:07 AM

farkeruk: modesto: And likely even fewer if we just came home and didn't feel compelled to swing our dick across the entire planet.

I'm not a military strategist so can you tell me what happens after that, and whether you'd be happy with those outcomes?


Probably the same thing that is happening in Iraq: sectarian war and more civilian casualties. No, I am not happy with it. But you are assuming that our presence makes things better. That there is a positive outcome to be had. I don't see it.
 
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