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(The Hollywood Reporter)   Grant Morrison announces his latest rambling, long, drawn out, nonsensical DC crossover story that will leave everyone who reads it unhappy and will force Morrison to tell everyone again that the real meaning of the story is between the panels   (hollywoodreporter.com) divider line 51
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2012-09-30 09:13:09 AM  
It is about time he finished his Metron story he has had going for the past fifteen years.
 
2012-09-30 09:31:40 AM  
As soon as I see the word "crossover," I tune out.

/can't remember the last half-decent crossover
//World War Hulk had its moments
 
2012-09-30 09:35:39 AM  
Morrison is great on lower-tier or self-created characters.

But hand him the keys to the kingdom, and he becomes nonsensical.
 
2012-09-30 09:57:59 AM  

FirstNationalBastard: Morrison is great on lower-tier or self-created characters.

But hand him the keys to the kingdom, and he becomes nonsensical.


All-Star Superman, his Batman run, and the New X-men disagree. Seriously Batman Inc is the best thing he's written.

/suck it the Invisibles
//it's hard to read now that it is the zeitgeist
 
2012-09-30 10:04:20 AM  
I'll give Morrison a chance. After all, he did good work on this:

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2012-09-30 10:12:35 AM  
Ill stick with Rot World.
 
2012-09-30 10:47:20 AM  
fark Grant Morrison in his smug bald douche-bag ass. I hope he sets himself on farking fire and falls off a cliff.
 
2012-09-30 10:48:40 AM  
So happy to see that I'm not the only one who can't stand Grant Morrison.
 
2012-09-30 10:51:36 AM  
I am not one of those people who dismiss comics as culturally irrelevant, or stupid, or "for children" - but I sometimes can't help thinking that some comics fans overthink their appreciation of them to the point that it spoils what ought to be fun.
 
2012-09-30 11:13:31 AM  
"Nobody has really used those Alan Moore tricks in 25 years so it seemed right to take that very tight, controlled, self-reflecting storytelling and seeing if we can do something new with it."

Um...

Never mind.
 
2012-09-30 11:21:36 AM  

FirstNationalBastard: Morrison is great on lower-tier or self-created characters.

But hand him the keys to the kingdom, and he becomes nonsensical.


So much THIS it's like the letters were created solely to enable me to agree with you how terrible his mainstream stuff is. Eye-gougingly bad.
 
2012-09-30 11:28:22 AM  
I love you subby. Marry me.

/I hate you Grant Morrison.
//There is not enough hate in the world.
///Didn't even like All-Star Superman
///Laughed my ass off at it
 
2012-09-30 11:35:33 AM  
I've been asking this for years and I feel I must ask again; WHAT THE fark WAS GOING ON IN FINAL CRISIS?!?!

/hasn't written anything that great since Animal Man
 
2012-09-30 11:43:52 AM  

Forbidden Doughnut: I'll give Morrison a chance. After all, he did good work on this:

[upload.wikimedia.org image 300x225]


Stopped clock, blind squirrel, ect....

Also... MorrisonCon? Are you farking kidding me? If he gets his own convention due to quality, he's way down on the list of people that should get one; if it's due to popularity, he's still down on the list. Given the nature of fandom, you would expect there to be a LiefieldCon before Morrison got one of his own.

/Would attend GaimanCon for the panels, MooreCon for the WTF and drugs.
//And ConnersCon because Amanda Conners is an absolute delight.
 
2012-09-30 11:53:39 AM  

RoyFokker'sGhost: Forbidden Doughnut: I'll give Morrison a chance. After all, he did good work on this:

[upload.wikimedia.org image 300x225]

Stopped clock, blind squirrel, ect....

Also... MorrisonCon? Are you farking kidding me? If he gets his own convention due to quality, he's way down on the list of people that should get one; if it's due to popularity, he's still down on the list. Given the nature of fandom, you would expect there to be a LiefieldCon before Morrison got one of his own.

/Would attend GaimanCon for the panels, MooreCon for the WTF and drugs.
//And ConnersCon because Amanda Conners is an absolute delight.


I'm trying to make a "GaimanCon for the penis" joke, but my heart just isn't in it.
 
2012-09-30 12:04:46 PM  

walrusonion: I've been asking this for years and I feel I must ask again; WHAT THE fark WAS GOING ON IN FINAL CRISIS?!?!


Batman shot a bullet that killed Darkseid and was sent back in time while 52 Supermen did something and Wonder Woman turned into a harpy and everybody died but then they came back.
 
2012-09-30 12:15:59 PM  

whizbangthedirtfarmer: can't remember the last half-decent crossover


No love for Star Trek:TNG/Doctor Who?

Of course not, it's pretty frickin' terrible. How do you have a premise like that, and not fanservice the fanboys. The only worthwhile moment in the series is when Tom Baker meets Kirk and Kirk ends up doing a futurecombat drop kick into a Cyberman. Everything else is a bunch of talky dialogue scenes.

Oh... so I guess they are giving TNG fans what they expect, at leaste.
 
2012-09-30 12:23:38 PM  
More greenlights on comic book bs? Can't we go back to the stellar days of a page full of your mom headlines?
 
2012-09-30 12:30:34 PM  

Mentat: walrusonion: I've been asking this for years and I feel I must ask again; WHAT THE fark WAS GOING ON IN FINAL CRISIS?!?!

Batman shot a bullet that killed Darkseid and was sent back in time while 52 Supermen did something and Wonder Woman turned into a harpy and everybody died but then they came back.


Was that the one with the Blue Beetle and Booster Gold intro? I really liked that book. I'm sure it is just me.
 
2012-09-30 12:44:51 PM  
Final crisis was without-a-doubt the worst comic reading experience of my life; a fact I pray holds true for the remainder as I just don't want to suffer worse than I have.

/and I read Youngblood #1 back in the day
//and that 'Your vaginder's haunted' crap since then.
///FC still reigns as the most maliciously horrid comic ever.
////And Dan Didio can be lodged in Satan's rectum for all eternity as well.
 
2012-09-30 01:52:22 PM  

Gunny Highway: Mentat: walrusonion: I've been asking this for years and I feel I must ask again; WHAT THE fark WAS GOING ON IN FINAL CRISIS?!?!

Batman shot a bullet that killed Darkseid and was sent back in time while 52 Supermen did something and Wonder Woman turned into a harpy and everybody died but then they came back.

Was that the one with the Blue Beetle and Booster Gold intro? I really liked that book. I'm sure it is just me.


That's Infinite Crisis. Final Crisis is an Evanescense video set in the DCU.
 
2012-09-30 02:12:04 PM  

t3knomanser: whizbangthedirtfarmer: can't remember the last half-decent crossover

No love for Star Trek:TNG/Doctor Who?

Of course not, it's pretty frickin' terrible. How do you have a premise like that, and not fanservice the fanboys. The only worthwhile moment in the series is when Tom Baker meets Kirk and Kirk ends up doing a futurecombat drop kick into a Cyberman. Everything else is a bunch of talky dialogue scenes.

Oh... so I guess they are giving TNG fans what they expect, at leaste.


So much THIS.
 
2012-09-30 02:26:13 PM  

PonceAlyosha: FirstNationalBastard: Morrison is great on lower-tier or self-created characters.

But hand him the keys to the kingdom, and he becomes nonsensical.

All-Star Superman, his Batman run, and the New X-men disagree. Seriously Batman Inc is the best thing he's written.

/suck it the Invisibles
//it's hard to read now that it is the zeitgeist


All-Star Superman is the worst thing that has ever been committed to paper. It encapsulates everything that I ever hated in DC comics during the Silver Age ... and somehow manages to make it even worse.
 
2012-09-30 02:56:28 PM  
Morrison is even more of a bi-polar writer that Winnick. When he's at his best, he's incomparable. But when he goes off his meds, he's terrible.
Look at his run on JLA. Absolutely astounding! One of the best runs in the history of the title.
Then look at the unparalleled WTF-ness of Final Crisis and the follow-up Batman run. One of the most confoundedly frustratingly inexplicably intentionally confusingly bad series of books of the 21st century.

The inclusion of Frank Quitely doesn't exactly whelm me, either.
 
2012-09-30 03:01:32 PM  
I'm an unabashed long-time Morrison fan. I love the Silver Age something fierce. Love the multiverse. Can't wait. And hell, be brought back the real league back in the day, you know, the magnificent seven.
 
2012-09-30 04:41:36 PM  
Dear Editors-In-Chief,

It's the 21st century. Your readers aren't looking for escapist fantasies marketed toward 8-year-old boys in the 1950s. Create stories that will, at a minimum, stimulate the mind of a young adult reader. Some of your writers get this. You clearly do not.

Remember: The Hobbit was a children's book.

Signed,
Earth
 
2012-09-30 06:46:21 PM  

Dumb-Ass-Monkey: Morrison is even more of a bi-polar writer that Winnick. When he's at his best, he's incomparable. But when he goes off his meds, he's terrible.
Look at his run on JLA. Absolutely astounding! One of the best runs in the history of the title.
Then look at the unparalleled WTF-ness of Final Crisis and the follow-up Batman run. One of the most confoundedly frustratingly inexplicably intentionally confusingly bad series of books of the 21st century.

The inclusion of Frank Quitely doesn't exactly whelm me, either.


It's editorship. On his old Vertigo stuff he could go deep into the weirdness as the characters and tales didn't affect the 'soap opera' nature of the mainline DCU. That's the stuff that got him the recognition to get offered to write JLA, which they wisely kept him under tight editorial control.

The that hack Didio came in and threw off the reins and Morrison's output and their combined effect on the DCU has been astonishingly bad. Give him an editor with a harsh lash and only then could he helm the entire DCU.

I say, let Gail Simone have a chance at overseeing it all.
 
2012-09-30 06:51:30 PM  

RoyFokker'sGhost: Given the nature of fandom, you would expect there to be a LiefieldCon before Morrison got one of his own.


Wow. I'm no great admirer of Morrison's stuff, but that's a bit on the harsh side, man.

//Or maybe I just underestimate the public's overwhelming love of pouches and/or hatred of their anatomy instructors from grade school.
 
2012-09-30 06:53:47 PM  
Morrison books are like Mexican buffets. They start out fantastic, a treat to the senses. Then they turn in to watery shiat.
 
2012-09-30 08:46:30 PM  
If you read Batman RIP from start (Batman and Son) to finish (RIP itself), it actually makes a LOT of sense. That's one of my main problems with him: his books are TERRIBLE issue-to-issue, but usually fine-to-great in trade.

Also: All-Star Superman is one of the greatest Superman stories ever told.

Jim_Callahan: RoyFokker'sGhost: Given the nature of fandom, you would expect there to be a LiefieldCon before Morrison got one of his own.

Wow. I'm no great admirer of Morrison's stuff, but that's a bit on the harsh side, man.

//Or maybe I just underestimate the public's overwhelming love of pouches and/or hatred of their anatomy instructors from grade school.


I think, sadly, it's the latter and I don't think OP is being critical of Morrison either. During his recent "lashing out at colors and shapes" on Twitter, a SHOCKING number of people came to Liefeld's defense as he lashed out and attacked other creators for NO DAMN REASON. The dude has a REALLY dedicated, SHOCKINGLY large fan-base, mostly because he still writes/draws like it's 1994 (the era most people his age really got into comics) and Grant Morrison is...certainly not writing for the people.
 
2012-09-30 09:56:58 PM  
WHAT?
www.multifamilyinvestor.com
 
2012-09-30 10:28:37 PM  

jso2897: I am not one of those people who dismiss comics as culturally irrelevant, or stupid, or "for children" - but I sometimes can't help thinking that some comics fans overthink their appreciation of them to the point that it spoils what ought to be fun.


This is more or less applicable for everything that was ever on the geek tab ever.
 
2012-09-30 10:37:18 PM  
Glad to see that Vic Sage and Ted Kord will be back in action but I'm sure this story will be horrid.
 
2012-09-30 10:50:41 PM  
Just to remind everyone, this is what happened with the last morrison cross-over event

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2012-09-30 11:38:29 PM  

thetrenchcoat: Glad to see that Vic Sage and Ted Kord will be back in action but I'm sure this story will be horrid.


Haha - wow, they are plagarazing themselves now with that plot line and those characters.

Blue Beatle = Night Owl.
The Question = Rorschach
Captain Atom = Dr. Manhatten

This could be either a cool alternate take on Watchmen (I personally think that the book has aged sufficiently that it's ripe for parody) or it will be disasterous.
 
2012-09-30 11:44:13 PM  

TwistedFark: thetrenchcoat: Glad to see that Vic Sage and Ted Kord will be back in action but I'm sure this story will be horrid.

Haha - wow, they are plagarazing themselves now with that plot line and those characters.

Blue Beatle = Night Owl.
The Question = Rorschach
Captain Atom = Dr. Manhatten

This could be either a cool alternate take on Watchmen (I personally think that the book has aged sufficiently that it's ripe for parody) or it will be disasterous.



I think Frank Miller already did that with HIS book that featured Captain Atom and The Question:

images3.wikia.nocookie.net
 
2012-09-30 11:47:10 PM  

TwistedFark: thetrenchcoat: Glad to see that Vic Sage and Ted Kord will be back in action but I'm sure this story will be horrid.

Haha - wow, they are plagarazing themselves now with that plot line and those characters.

Blue Beatle = Night Owl.
The Question = Rorschach
Captain Atom = Dr. Manhatten

This could be either a cool alternate take on Watchmen (I personally think that the book has aged sufficiently that it's ripe for parody) or it will be disasterous.


i205.photobucket.com
 
2012-09-30 11:58:27 PM  

Mad_Radhu: TwistedFark: thetrenchcoat: Glad to see that Vic Sage and Ted Kord will be back in action but I'm sure this story will be horrid.

Haha - wow, they are plagarazing themselves now with that plot line and those characters.

Blue Beatle = Night Owl.
The Question = Rorschach
Captain Atom = Dr. Manhatten

This could be either a cool alternate take on Watchmen (I personally think that the book has aged sufficiently that it's ripe for parody) or it will be disasterous.


I think Frank Miller already did that with HIS book that featured Captain Atom and The Question:

[images3.wikia.nocookie.net image 400x609]


That book always makes me wonder at what point did Frank Miller go batshiat crazy. But after reading TDKR for the first time in 20 years I suspect he always has been.
 
2012-10-01 12:03:53 AM  

thetrenchcoat: Mad_Radhu: TwistedFark: thetrenchcoat: Glad to see that Vic Sage and Ted Kord will be back in action but I'm sure this story will be horrid.

Haha - wow, they are plagarazing themselves now with that plot line and those characters.

Blue Beatle = Night Owl.
The Question = Rorschach
Captain Atom = Dr. Manhatten

This could be either a cool alternate take on Watchmen (I personally think that the book has aged sufficiently that it's ripe for parody) or it will be disasterous.


I think Frank Miller already did that with HIS book that featured Captain Atom and The Question:

[images3.wikia.nocookie.net image 400x609]

That book always makes me wonder at what point did Frank Miller go batshiat crazy. But after reading TDKR for the first time in 20 years I suspect he always has been.


Even if he was always batshiat crazy, 9/11 drove him around the bend. Before 9/11, Miller was able to channel that batshiat craziness into creativity. Afterward? He's just sad.
 
2012-10-01 12:08:58 AM  

thetrenchcoat: That book always makes me wonder at what point did Frank Miller go batshiat crazy. But after reading TDKR for the first time in 20 years I suspect he always has been.


I'd heard bad things about the series, so I held out on reading it until Comixology had a sale last week where I could get the digital version for $1 an issue. It was almost so bad it was good. Almost.

/I also grabbed All Star Batman and Robin for the lulz, since it was also on sale for $1 per issue.
 
2012-10-01 12:51:27 AM  
This comic could be worse. It could be written by Frank Miller and drawn by Rob Liefeld.
 
2012-10-01 06:44:56 AM  

thetrenchcoat: This comic could be worse. It could be written by Frank Miller and drawn by Rob Liefeld.


OR even worse - drawn by Miller and written by Liefeld.
 
2012-10-01 08:08:30 AM  
images3.wikia.nocookie.net

For this, I can forgive a whole farking lot.
 
2012-10-01 08:45:45 AM  

thetrenchcoat: Mad_Radhu: TwistedFark: thetrenchcoat: Glad to see that Vic Sage and Ted Kord will be back in action but I'm sure this story will be horrid.

Haha - wow, they are plagarazing themselves now with that plot line and those characters.

Blue Beatle = Night Owl.
The Question = Rorschach
Captain Atom = Dr. Manhatten

This could be either a cool alternate take on Watchmen (I personally think that the book has aged sufficiently that it's ripe for parody) or it will be disasterous.


I think Frank Miller already did that with HIS book that featured Captain Atom and The Question:

[images3.wikia.nocookie.net image 400x609]

That book always makes me wonder at what point did Frank Miller go batshiat crazy. But after reading TDKR for the first time in 20 years I suspect he always has been.


Miller has always been dysfunctional, much in the way that Steve Ditko or Mark Millar are.

Basically you have grown men with a real stunted/immature world view and a forum on which to express it. They are good and talented creators and with editorial guidance, produce good work. But this is a two-edged sword, because eventually they become so famous that they no longer are edited, and then that's where the herpa derpa doo starts to come to the top.

I know you wouldn't normally lump Ditko/Miller in with Millar (the scottish farker), because their politics are so different from each other (in fact, probably on the other side of the authoritarian/anarchist spectrum) - but the point is that their radical views all come from inherently the same place, which is they have big problems with rationalising the role of authority and authority figures in their lives.

To use a colloqual - They have "daddy issues".
 
2012-10-01 10:05:02 AM  

saintstryfe: [images3.wikia.nocookie.net image 500x689]

For this, I can forgive a whole farking lot.


That was James Robinson, not Grant Morrison. Still awesome.
 
2012-10-01 11:10:56 AM  

Mad_Radhu: thetrenchcoat: That book always makes me wonder at what point did Frank Miller go batshiat crazy. But after reading TDKR for the first time in 20 years I suspect he always has been.

I'd heard bad things about the series, so I held out on reading it until Comixology had a sale last week where I could get the digital version for $1 an issue. It was almost so bad it was good. Almost.

/I also grabbed All Star Batman and Robin for the lulz, since it was also on sale for $1 per issue.


All Star Batman and Robin is a gorgeous piece of madness. Most interesting take on the character we've had in decades.
 
2012-10-01 01:47:31 PM  

Hebalo: Mad_Radhu: thetrenchcoat: That book always makes me wonder at what point did Frank Miller go batshiat crazy. But after reading TDKR for the first time in 20 years I suspect he always has been.

I'd heard bad things about the series, so I held out on reading it until Comixology had a sale last week where I could get the digital version for $1 an issue. It was almost so bad it was good. Almost.

/I also grabbed All Star Batman and Robin for the lulz, since it was also on sale for $1 per issue.

All Star Batman and Robin is a gorgeous piece of madness. Most interesting take on the character we've had in decades.


If you realize that All Star Batman is the beginning of TDKR, it makes a LOT more sense.
 
2012-10-01 03:22:01 PM  

PonceAlyosha: saintstryfe: [images3.wikia.nocookie.net image 500x689]

For this, I can forgive a whole farking lot.

That was James Robinson, not Grant Morrison. Still awesome.


It was sad that the real James Robinson was killed and replaced by his hacky Bizarro World duplicate during his time away from comics.
 
2012-10-01 05:23:06 PM  

FirstNationalBastard: PonceAlyosha: saintstryfe: [images3.wikia.nocookie.net image 500x689]

For this, I can forgive a whole farking lot.

That was James Robinson, not Grant Morrison. Still awesome.

It was sad that the real James Robinson was killed and replaced by his hacky Bizarro World duplicate during his time away from comics.


Actually I think he's still on game. Earth 2 isn't that great, but 1/2 isn't bad. Did you read his Shade miniseries [the new one, not the old one]? It's top quality stuff. Shame it ended last month.
 
2012-10-01 05:30:33 PM  

PonceAlyosha: FirstNationalBastard: PonceAlyosha: saintstryfe: [images3.wikia.nocookie.net image 500x689]

For this, I can forgive a whole farking lot.

That was James Robinson, not Grant Morrison. Still awesome.

It was sad that the real James Robinson was killed and replaced by his hacky Bizarro World duplicate during his time away from comics.

Actually I think he's still on game. Earth 2 isn't that great, but 1/2 isn't bad. Did you read his Shade miniseries [the new one, not the old one]? It's top quality stuff. Shame it ended last month.


I stopped reading new comics in June '11. I'm basing my opinion of Robinson on such wonderful work as Justice League: Cry for Justice and the Superman run.
 
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