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(Press TV)   Iran announces new 14.5mm indigenous sniper rifle that can hit a one inch target at a range of 23 miles, go around corners, and defeat Abrams tank armor. And they have the photoshops to prove it   (presstv.com) divider line 136
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2012-09-29 06:10:43 PM
"Indigenous"? You mean it was born there?
 
2012-09-29 06:17:01 PM
Well, at least foreigners will be safe.
 
2012-09-29 06:20:26 PM
The 14.5 mm-caliber sniper rifle has an effective range of three kilometers (km) and a useful range of four km. The weapon, which is 185 centimeters long and weighs 22 kilograms, requires three operators for efficient use.

Doesn't sound like crazy fantastical bullsh*t to me, subby.
 
2012-09-29 06:20:43 PM
That is some mighty fancy camouflage on that general.
 
2012-09-29 06:25:01 PM

This About That: That is some mighty fancy camouflage on that general.


He blends in with the big gong on the wall.
 
2012-09-29 06:29:09 PM
Iran has made great achievements in its defense sector and attained self-sufficiency in producing essential military equipment and systems over the past decades.


And it can all be gone in a matter of minutes.
 
Pud [TotalFark]
2012-09-29 06:30:57 PM
But ....you're supposed to be terrified. WHAT'S WRONG WITH YOU???
 
2012-09-29 06:31:27 PM
That is some gun loving Muslim derp in the comments there. Right wing gun nuts in the US and those in Iran don't even begin to know how much they have in common with each other. Someone should troll the comments with something about abortion and gays and watch how they react, then do the same and Free Republic and then compare how similar the responses are. I'll bet 10:1 that they are dead on
 
2012-09-29 06:31:35 PM
Of all the front page news going on in the last week on US-Israel-Iran, there's a thread on a sniper rifle.

Really?
 
2012-09-29 06:44:09 PM
Accurate at 3km, effective at 4km...
240 hp carrying 5 tons
 
2012-09-29 06:47:21 PM
I heard that it can also finish an entire crave case on it's own.
 
2012-09-29 06:50:45 PM
This one was made special, an .88 Magnum. It shoots through schools. Top that Iran!

www.imfdb.org
 
2012-09-29 07:03:32 PM

thamike: The 14.5 mm-caliber sniper rifle has an effective range of three kilometers (km) and a useful range of four km. The weapon, which is 185 centimeters long and weighs 22 kilograms, requires three operators for efficient use.

Doesn't sound like crazy fantastical bullsh*t to me, subby.


There's a few existing 14.5mm big-boy rifles, such as the South African Denel NTW (which can be converted to fire 20mm rounds). The Iranians probably padded a few hundred meters on the numbers, but they're not too crazy.
 
2012-09-29 07:13:07 PM

thamike: The 14.5 mm-caliber sniper rifle has an effective range of three kilometers (km) and a useful range of four km. The weapon, which is 185 centimeters long and weighs 22 kilograms, requires three operators for efficient use.

Doesn't sound like crazy fantastical bullsh*t to me, subby.


Four kilometers. What's that, like half a mile?
 
2012-09-29 07:52:39 PM
Iran military progress is impressive and unmatched in the region. while USA/EU puppets and servant beg the USA for even a bullet Iran build all by itself, showing that the Islamic revolution of Iran victory over the USA/UK hegemony is paying off. A message to all nations in the world that being total free like Iran brings progress, development and happiness even when faced with monstrous nations that are working around the clock to cause death, disasters and chaos for you. That heavy sniper rifle will be the uncivilized USA gunmen worst nightmare if they dare to attack Iran. 

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That works for me.
 
2012-09-29 07:56:07 PM
Right-wing Gott-mit-uns government spends itself silly on pointless military hardware. Sounds familiar.
 
2012-09-29 07:57:12 PM
the Russian 14.5 x 114 is a bad,bad boy. That said, they had bolt action anti material rifles in huge calibers in WWI. So, welcome to 1917 Iran.
 
2012-09-29 07:58:23 PM
Say hello to my little friend 
 
2012-09-29 08:00:55 PM

SnakeLee: That is some gun loving Muslim derp in the comments there. Right wing gun nuts in the US and those in Iran don't even begin to know how much they have in common with each other. Someone should troll the comments with something about abortion and gays and watch how they react, then do the same and Free Republic and then compare how similar the responses are. I'll bet 10:1 that they are dead on


Write that up, and there's likely good grant money in it.
 
2012-09-29 08:04:57 PM

drewogatory: the Russian 14.5 x 114 is a bad,bad boy. That said, they had bolt action anti material rifles in huge calibers in WWI. So, welcome to 1917 Iran.


And the British had this bad Boy(s) at the start of WWII. Anything in 14.5mm is a rather nasty weapon to be on the wrong end of (and I'm not sure I want to feel the recoil of a 14.5mm rifle as the shooter, either).
 
2012-09-29 08:06:33 PM

ClavellBCMI: drewogatory: the Russian 14.5 x 114 is a bad,bad boy. That said, they had bolt action anti material rifles in huge calibers in WWI. So, welcome to 1917 Iran.

And the British had this bad Boy(s) at the start of WWII. Anything in 14.5mm is a rather nasty weapon to be on the wrong end of (and I'm not sure I want to feel the recoil of a 14.5mm rifle as the shooter, either).

 (d'oh, link not work the first try)
 
2012-09-29 08:08:04 PM
Really? Greenlighting a PressTV link? Christ.

also, the link is dead btw
 
2012-09-29 08:08:18 PM

Party Boy: Of all the front page news going on in the last week on US-Israel-Iran, there's a thread on a sniper rifle.

Really?



Thou shalt not question the Lord thy Mod.
 
2012-09-29 08:10:14 PM
www.imfdb.org
 
2012-09-29 08:12:25 PM
Wow. That's some Teaparty level Propaganda Derp there.
 
2012-09-29 08:14:31 PM

fusillade762: Four kilometers. What's that, like half a mile?


about 2.3 miles

//subby must have jizzed on his keyboard
 
2012-09-29 08:16:57 PM
Defeat Chobham armor on an Abrams from a man portable weapon?

Bull farking shiat, but then, TFA makes no such claim.

I've little doubt it's a competent anti-materiel weapon or that it can pierce relatively thin armor with the right ammo, but punch through the armor on the toughest main battle tank on the planet? Hells no.
 
2012-09-29 08:21:04 PM

Party Boy: Of all the front page news going on in the last week on US-Israel-Iran, there's a thread on a sniper rifle.

Really?


Greenlighting Iranian propaganda. You should be happy!
 
2012-09-29 08:21:41 PM

akula: Defeat Chobham armor on an Abrams from a man portable weapon?

Bull farking shiat, but then, TFA makes no such claim.

I've little doubt it's a competent anti-materiel weapon or that it can pierce relatively thin armor with the right ammo, but punch through the armor on the toughest main battle tank on the planet? Hells no.


Surely you weren't taking the headline seriously.
 
2012-09-29 08:22:56 PM
A sniper rifle that requires 3 men.

One to spot, one to shoot, one to shout "Allah Ahkbar" at the red mist.
 
2012-09-29 08:26:06 PM

Yakivegas: akula: Defeat Chobham armor on an Abrams from a man portable weapon?

Bull farking shiat, but then, TFA makes no such claim.

I've little doubt it's a competent anti-materiel weapon or that it can pierce relatively thin armor with the right ammo, but punch through the armor on the toughest main battle tank on the planet? Hells no.

Surely you weren't taking the headline seriously.


Our Abrams tank armor was penetrated by a penetrator projectile. The original article in Army Times is no longer available but it described a single Abrahms that was hit by a single penetrator sabot. Nasty poo poo undies round that came through one side, bounced around and lit up with radioactive fire.
 
2012-09-29 08:26:19 PM

violentsalvation: Party Boy: Of all the front page news going on in the last week on US-Israel-Iran, there's a thread on a sniper rifle.

Really?

Greenlighting Iranian propaganda. You should be happy!


HORK
 
2012-09-29 08:27:06 PM
The comment section of the article is as ridiculous as the article itself.

And for some reason, there seems to be a lot of Animosity between the Iranians and the Turkish president.
 
2012-09-29 08:27:28 PM
"They" are not marksmen... That is why they get their asses handed to them in combat.

/Expert Link
 
2012-09-29 08:28:00 PM

fusillade762: thamike: The 14.5 mm-caliber sniper rifle has an effective range of three kilometers (km) and a useful range of four km. The weapon, which is 185 centimeters long and weighs 22 kilograms, requires three operators for efficient use.

Doesn't sound like crazy fantastical bullsh*t to me, subby.

Four kilometers. What's that, like half a mile?


Two pints per furlong, four furlongs per kilometer. So the answer is 17 jigawatts.
 
2012-09-29 08:28:45 PM
Oh yeah? Well.... we've got Accelerator. Snipe THAT.
 
2012-09-29 08:29:43 PM

Dadoody: The comment section of the article is as ridiculous as the article itself.

And for some reason, there seems to be a lot of Animosity between the Iranians and the Turkish president.


Yeah.

I kinda want to troll that.
 
2012-09-29 08:30:02 PM
?Something? felled an M1A1 Abrams tank in Iraq ? but what?
Mystery behind Aug. 28 incident puzzles Army officials

By John Roos
Special to the Times


Shortly before dawn on Aug. 28, an M1A1 Abrams tank on routine patrol in Baghdad ?was hit by something? that crippled the 69-ton behemoth.

Army officials still are puzzling over what that ?something? was.

According to an unclassified Army report, the mystery projectile punched through the vehicle?s skirt and drilled a pencil-sized hole through the hull. The hole was so small that ?my little finger will not go into it,? the report?s author noted.

The ?something? continued into the crew compartment, where it passed through the gunner?s seatback, grazed the kidney area of the gunner?s flak jacket and finally came to rest after boring a hole 1½ to 2 inches deep in the hull on the far side of the tank.

As it passed through the interior, it hit enough critical components to knock the tank out of action. That made the tank one of only two Abrams disabled by enemy fire during the Iraq war and one of only a handful of ?mobility kills? since they first rumbled onto the scene 20 years ago. The other Abrams knocked out this year in Iraq was hit by an RPG-7, a rocket-propelled grenade.

Experts believe whatever it is that knocked out the tank in August was not an RPG-7 but most likely something new ? and that worries tank drivers.

Mystery and anxiety

Terry Hughes is a technical representative from Rock Island Arsenal, Ill., who examined the tank in Baghdad and wrote the report.

In the sort of excited language seldom included in official Army documents, he said, ?The unit is very anxious to have this ?SOMETHING? identified. It seems clear that a penetrator of a yellow molten metal is what caused the damage, but what weapon fires such a round and precisely what sort of round is it? The bad guys are using something unknown and the guys facing it want very much to know what it is and how they can defend themselves.?

Nevertheless, the Abrams continues its record of providing extraordinary crew protection. The four-man crew suffered only minor injuries in the attack. The tank commander received ?minor shrapnel wounds to the legs and arms and the gunner got some in his arm? as a result of the attack, according to the report.

Whatever penetrated the tank created enough heat inside the hull to activate the vehicle?s Halon firefighting gear, which probably prevented more serious injuries to the crew.

The soldiers of 2nd Battalion, 70th Armor Regiment, 1st Armor Division who were targets of the attack weren?t the only ones wondering what damaged their 69-ton tank.

Hughes also was puzzled. ?Can someone tell us?? he wrote. ?If not, can we get an expert on foreign munitions over here to examine this vehicle before repairs are begun? Please respond quickly.?

His report went to the office of the combat systems program manager at the U.S. Army Tank-automotive and Armaments Command in Warren, Mich. A command spokesman said he could provide no information about the incident.

?The information is sensitive,? he said. ?It looks like [members of the program manager?s office] are not going to release any information right now.?

While it?s impossible to determine what caused the damage without actually examining the tank, some conclusions can be drawn from photos that accompanied the incident report. Those photos show a pencil-size penetration hole through the tank body, but very little sign of the distinctive damage ? called spalling ? that typically occurs on the inside surface after a hollow- or shaped-charge warhead from an anti-tank weapon burns its way through armor.

Spalling results when an armor penetrator pushes a stream of molten metal ahead of it as it bores through an armored vehicle?s protective skin.

?It?s a real strange impact,? said a source who has worked both as a tank designer and as an anti-tank weapons engineer. ?This is a new one. ? It almost definitely is a hollow-charge warhead of some sort, but probably not an RPG-7? anti-tank rocket-propelled grenade.

The well-known RPG-7 has been the scourge of lightly armored vehicles since its introduction more than 40 years ago. Its hollow-charge warhead easily could punch through an M1?s skirt and the relatively thin armor of its armpit joint, the area above the tracks and beneath the deck on which the turret sits, just where the mystery round hit the tank.

An RPG-7 can penetrate about 12 inches of steel ? a thickness far greater than the armor that was penetrated on the tank in Baghdad. But the limited spalling evident in the photos accompanying the incident report all but rules out the RPG-7 as the culprit, experts say.

Limited spalling is a telltale characteristic of Western-manufactured weapons designed to defeat armor with a cohesive jet stream of molten metal. In contrast, RPG-7s typically produce a fragmented jet spray.

The incident is so sensitive that most experts in the field would talk only on the condition that they not be identified.

One armor expert at Fort Knox, Ky., suggested the tank may have been hit by an updated RPG. About 15 years ago, Russian scientists created tandem-warhead anti-tank-grenades designed to defeat reactive armor. The new round, a PG-7VR, can be fired from an RPG-7V launcher and might have left the unusual signature on the tank.

In addition, the Russians have developed an improved weapon, the RPG-22. These and perhaps even newer variants have been used against American forces in Afghanistan. It is believed U.S. troops seized some that have been returned to the United States for testing, but scant details about their effects and ?fingerprints? are available.

Still another possibility is a retrofitted warhead for the RPG system being developed by a Swiss manufacturer.

At this time, it appears most likely that an RPG-22 or some other improved variant of the Russian-designed weapon damaged the M1 tank, sources concluded. The damage certainly was caused by some sort of shaped-charge or hollow-charge warhead, and the cohesive nature of the destructive jet suggests a more effective weapon than a fragmented-jet RPG-7.

A spokesman for General Dynamics Land Systems, which manufactures the Abrams, said company engineers agree some type of RPG probably caused the damage. After checking with them, the spokesman delivered the manufacturer?s verdict: The tank was hit by ?a ?golden? RPG? ? an extremely lucky shot.

In the end, a civilian weapons expert said, ?I hope it was a lucky shot and we are not part of someone?s test program. Being a live target is no fun.?
 
2012-09-29 08:30:57 PM

Amos Quito: Party Boy: Of all the front page news going on in the last week on US-Israel-Iran, there's a thread on a sniper rifle.

Really?


Thou shalt not question the Lord thy Mod.


Gotta get the gun-porn in somehow.
 
2012-09-29 08:32:31 PM

make me some tea: Dadoody: The comment section of the article is as ridiculous as the article itself.

And for some reason, there seems to be a lot of Animosity between the Iranians and the Turkish president.

Yeah.

I kinda want to troll that.


Yeah I was typing out one myself, but I figure they moderate pretty heavily.
 
2012-09-29 08:32:38 PM
that round already exists out there like the Russian 14.5x115 mm gun, the KPV
world.guns.ru
and even that couldn't pierce a tanks armor, Soviet testing foudn that it could pierce the armor on light tanks and vehicles from ww2 and in the 50's made it to use against armored vehicles, but not tanks. From a gun guide.

"the first working prototypes of the KPV were built by 1944. Following the trials and much refinement work it was adopted in 1949 in an infantry version (on a wheeled mount) and in three towed AA mountings (single,twin and quad). Later on, its 'tank' version was used as the primary armament of some armored reconnaissance and personnel carrier vehicles such as BRDM and BTR-70. In the AA role, KPV guns saw considerable action in the hands of the North Vietnamese armed forces, supplied from the USSR and China as military aid (China has produced copies of KPV as 14,5mm Type 56 heavy machine gun). Later on,AA mounts with KPVT guns were used by the Soviet Army in Afghanistan,to fire up at Mujaheddin hiding in the mountains and firing at Soviet bases and convoys from above.
The KPV entered mass production in about 1950, in infantry (ground-fire only) version with a wheeled mount designed by Kharykin, and in a number of dedicated AA mounts;single, twin and quadruple. In the 1955 the heavy Kharykin mount was replaced in production by a lighter tripod designed by Baryshev. Guns produced prior to 1955 retained their wheeled mounts and both version saw significant use during the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan. The infantry version of this gun had a relatively short production life,being replaced by the improved KPVT (tank) version, which is used for both armored vehicles and dedicated AA mounts, as well as in naval mounts for light patrol vessels.

It must be noted that until very recently (when Chinese have introduced their indigenous 14,5x115 heavy machine gun) KPVT was the most powerful heavy machine gun in its class, providing almost double muzzle energy compared to 12,7mm / .50 caliber weapons. With muzzle velocities of about 1000 - 1030 meters per second and AP bullets weighting 60 gram, it generated muzzle energy of about 32,000 Joules and penetrated some 32mm of steel armor at500 meters range and about 20mm at 1000 meters......KPVT(tank) is the current version of the basic design, used for vehicle installations and various AA mountings. It has a shortened receiver,which is a great bonus for guns that are mounted inside compact tank orAPC turrets. KPVT also have heavier barrel jackets and use 50-roundbelts instead of the original 40-round ones. KPVT HMG's arethe primary armament of the Soviet BTR-60B and BTR-70 armored personnel carriers and BRDM armored recon vehicles. "

and the chinese version the 14.5 mm QJG 02 heavy machine gun
world.guns.ru

From the gun guide
" The QJG 02 can fire all types of 14.5mm ammunition, including the newest Chinese DGJ 02 SLAP ammunition with muzzle velocity of 1250 m/s (4100 fps) and claimed armor penetration of 20mm at a 50 degree angle at 1000 meters."

so we know that this caliber can't pierce and tank. only 20mm at 1000meters and 32mm at 500meters and the oldest version of the M1 had 350 mm of armor the latest versions have 650mm. Even if they made it into a high velocity sniper rifle, it still shouldn't do the job. This is Iranian stuff for their own population and dumb western journalists.
 
2012-09-29 08:34:57 PM
3km is almost 2 miles. I'm pretty sure the longest confirmed kill is something like 2.5km. So it's that much better than sophisticated arms like the AWM or Cheytac? I'm sorry, I have a problem believing this.
 
2012-09-29 08:35:06 PM
I think I saw one of those on sale at the local Wal*Mart.

-Bolt action 57 cal. Does that even require a special permit?
 
2012-09-29 08:35:44 PM
How many Iranians does it take to operate a rifle? Three apparently.
 
2012-09-29 08:36:21 PM

Mister Peejay: Oh yeah? Well.... we've got Accelerator. Snipe THAT.


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Challenge Accepted!
 
2012-09-29 08:37:17 PM

bdub77: 3km is almost 2 miles. I'm pretty sure the longest confirmed kill is something like 2.5km. So it's that much better than sophisticated arms like the AWM or Cheytac? I'm sorry, I have a problem believing this.


Yeah, and that guy had to have a perfect setup. If it takes three people to run this gun, it's not a very good sniper weapon, either.
 
2012-09-29 08:37:56 PM
What an indigenous Iranian sniper rifle might look like.

www.vegatransports.com.au
 
2012-09-29 08:38:41 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uCppmoZiXUY&list=PL83E4AD74B5017BFB&ind ex=9&feature=plpp_video

pretty cool piece of Americana
 
2012-09-29 08:41:06 PM
Italians already did this, but better, 70 yrs ago.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ft2j6J4NcY&feature=related

Needed a crew of 4 to operate though. It's almost like everyone figured out that they would be better of with RPG armor piercing rounds than this inefficent thing. (Still a pretty sick gun though if you ask me.)
 
2012-09-29 08:42:15 PM
mmmm-hmmm. Bullshiat.
 
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