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(US News)   Mitt Romney's fool-proof plan to win the debates: Zingers   (usnews.com) divider line 709
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2012-09-29 10:52:00 PM  

Hobodeluxe: Obama should just bring out an empty chair , say "I heard you were planning on winning this debate by using zingers so I thought you'd need this" and walk off leaving him looking at the chair.


I can imagine Obama saying in response to a lame execution of an alleged zinger to be, "That may work on an empty chair, but when adults are talking, we try to stick to the issues."
 
2012-09-29 10:54:28 PM  
Let's look at all the zingers noted so far:

There you go again. Reagan/Carter
Exploit my opponents age. Reagan/Mondale
You're no Kennedy. Bentsen/Quale
Say it ain't so, Joe. Palin/Biden

Of those memorable zingers, the Zingers lost the election half of the time to the Zingee. It just does not seem to make any real difference to the election or the debate. So, the entire strategy is WTF.
 
2012-09-29 10:58:34 PM  
Someone up thread said it... Romney doesn't need to do anything but deliver those sound bites at appropriate times. Then Fox, PACS and his campaign can advertise those selectively edited clips with Romney vs Obama.

It's just a way to get free material for commercials.
 
2012-09-29 10:58:44 PM  

RyogaM: Let's look at all the zingers noted so far:

There you go again. Reagan/Carter
Exploit my opponents age. Reagan/Mondale
You're no Kennedy. Bentsen/Quale
Say it ain't so, Joe. Palin/Biden

Of those memorable zingers, the Zingers lost the election half of the time to the Zingee. It just does not seem to make any real difference to the election or the debate. So, the entire strategy is WTF.


Well, the fourth doesn't really count since Palin kept asking at the beginning if she could call Biden Joe.

That zinger was so telegraphed it had a Western Union stamp on it.
 
2012-09-29 11:00:44 PM  
Slightly off topic but here goes,
When Mitt's campaign sent out that memo about Obama being a great speaker did they reliaze they were actually comparing him to Reagan

This is where wiki takes you when you search for The Great Communicator. Link
 
2012-09-29 11:03:02 PM  
My understanding is that Mr. Romney hires youngsters that only answer yes to his questions.
 
2012-09-29 11:03:11 PM  

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2012-09-29 11:03:47 PM  

TV's Vinnie: Filter out all THAT, beeotch!


Reported.
 
2012-09-29 11:04:28 PM  

DO NOT WANT Poster Girl: Someone up thread said it... Romney doesn't need to do anything but deliver those sound bites at appropriate times. Then Fox, PACS and his campaign can advertise those selectively edited clips with Romney vs Obama.

It's just a way to get free material for commercials.


The zingers will only work with his base, is Mitt ever going to try to win over Independents and cross over voters?
 
2012-09-29 11:05:45 PM  
Romney: Are you better off than you were four years ago?
Obama: Yes.
Romney: No, not you. Someone from the audience? You there, are you better off than you were four years ago?
Man: No!
Romney: See?
Man: Because Bain Capital bought my company, slashed my pension and sent my job to China!
Romney: Oh.
Obama: Well, at least the free market is better off than it was four years ago.
Romney: Yes! I mean no! I mean- there you go again.

Nailed it.
 
2012-09-29 11:06:11 PM  
Flubbing the big zinger is another risk Romney faces. That and unintended self-goals....

"That's what your mother said last night!"

"Governor Romney, my mother is dead. I miss her every day. That's a tasteless joke."

"That's what your *grandmother* said last night!"

Jim Lehrer facepalm
 
2012-09-29 11:06:21 PM  
This can't be real. Romney's biggest problem is that he doesn't offer any specific plans or ideas, so he's going to spend the debate trying to deliver pithy one-liners in the hope that Obama might slip up? There's not enough facepalms in the world...
 
2012-09-29 11:07:52 PM  
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Maybe he'll bring his dummy to answer the questions.
 
2012-09-29 11:08:02 PM  

TV's Vinnie: Zingers with the HOSTESS label on them are UTTER BLASPHEMY! They should still keep the Dolly Madison label, just as St. Charlie Brown and his apostles hath ordained.


They were much tastier when they were made by Dolly Madison. The cake was less sugary, the raspberry more tart, and the coconut more chewy.
 
2012-09-29 11:09:27 PM  

PacManDreaming: Mugato: "Take my wife, please."

"No really, please, take her. She's sick and is getting to be a real drag."

No, no, no...that's Gingrich.


Yeah. The one thing I'll give to Romney is that he really loves his family. The rest of us not so much.
 
2012-09-29 11:10:00 PM  
Desperation is a stinky cologne.
 
2012-09-29 11:10:36 PM  

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: [i.imgur.com image 595x396]

"Did I really just say that the President may be black, but the only black thing that matters is our bottom line?"


If you're one of the hundreds of thousands of defense contractors out there that is going to get a surprise pink slip, it might matter to you.

http://thehill.com/blogs/defcon-hill/industry/259305-omb-tells-contra c tors-once-again-dont-issue-layoff-notices
 
2012-09-29 11:11:17 PM  

Mentat: Romney: Are you better off than you were four years ago?
Obama: Yes.
Romney: No, not you. Someone from the audience? You there, are you better off than you were four years ago?
Man: No!
Romney: See?
Man: Because Bain Capital bought my company, slashed my pension and sent my job to China!
Romney: Oh.
Obama: Well, at least the free market is better off than it was four years ago.
Romney: Well, I feel uncomfortable wearing this black dress, and see through panties.

 
2012-09-29 11:11:55 PM  

shotglasss: Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: [i.imgur.com image 595x396]

"Did I really just say that the President may be black, but the only black thing that matters is our bottom line?"

If you're one of the hundreds of thousands of defense contractors out there that is going to get a surprise pink slip, it might matter to you.

http://thehill.com/blogs/defcon-hill/industry/259305-omb-tells-contra c tors-once-again-dont-issue-layoff-notices


Don't forget to thank John Boehner for those.
 
2012-09-29 11:12:29 PM  

thatboyoverthere: PacManDreaming: Mugato: "Take my wife, please."

"No really, please, take her. She's sick and is getting to be a real drag."

No, no, no...that's Gingrich.

Yeah. The one thing I'll give to Romney is that he really loves his family. The rest of us not so much.


Tell that to poor Bapp. He's been forced to live in the stables ever since Mitt dropped him on his head.

Or is forcing your son to subsist on hay soaked in horse piss your idea of showing love to your family?
 
2012-09-29 11:12:58 PM  
I bet you $10,000 that Mitt's zingers are bad news ... for Obama.
 
2012-09-29 11:13:11 PM  
Of course he's going to win.

After all, he made 321 of you dipshiats comment.

/Moskowitz
 
2012-09-29 11:13:55 PM  
Voter suppression and zingers.

Now that's a platform.
 
2012-09-29 11:14:52 PM  

stoli n coke: horse


If it weren't for my horse, I wouldn't have spent that year running for President.
 
2012-09-29 11:15:05 PM  

whidbey: Of course he's going to win.

After all, he made 321 of you dipshiats comment.

/Moskowitz


That's not true. Some of us posted more than once, so it's gotta be less than 321.
 
2012-09-29 11:15:36 PM  

Snapper Carr: stoli n coke: horse

If it weren't for my horse, I wouldn't have spent that year running for President.


I lol'd
 
2012-09-29 11:15:43 PM  

Snapper Carr: stoli n coke: At this point, a better campaign strategy would be to let Mitt's horse stand in

If it weren't for my horse, I wouldn't have spent that year running for President.



there. I hate fark sometimes
 
2012-09-29 11:16:02 PM  

KushanMadman: Why exactly does a Romney guy talk about this before the debate, anyway? That kills the point, and is grossly incompetent.


This might be their version of lowering expectations. They might be hoping that Obama falls for it and only comes prepared for zingers. Then, when Romney actually starts talking policy, Obama won't be able to come back because he's not expecting serious Mitt. That's what might be happening.

However, they forget that Obama once went to a Republican retreat, took questions, and handled himself so well that Fox News cut away because he was making them look bad. Obama is the guy who trolled Donald Trump WHILE the Bin Ladin raid was getting underway. So while Obama could have a bad night, anything's possible, he's proven to be able to handle himself.

While I would love to see some epic Romney meltdown, I doubt it will get that bad.
 
2012-09-29 11:19:32 PM  

soporific: This might be their version of lowering expectations. They might be hoping that Obama falls for it and only comes prepared for zingers. Then, when Romney actually starts talking policy, Obama won't be able to come back because he's not expecting serious Mitt. That's what might be happening.


So the Republicans are still fighting the Obama Strawman.

Jesus.
 
2012-09-29 11:22:47 PM  

Guntram Shatterhand: So the Republicans are still fighting the Obama Strawman.


From the moment he announced his candidacy in 2007, when has that not been true?
 
2012-09-29 11:23:51 PM  
Curious if the 'zingers' will come out as forced sounding as Ryan trying to shoehorn the NFL ref issue into an Obama jab.. "You guy watch that Packer game last night?" Ryan said at the top of his remarks at a town hall meeting in Ohio. "I mean give me a break. It is time to get the real refs, and it reminds me of President Obama and the economy: if you can't if you can't get it right, it's time to get out."
 
2012-09-29 11:35:32 PM  
Governor Romney is going to do WHAT?

What is his team smoking?

Seriously, what the almighty f*ck is going on in their heads? Have they finally gone insane because there's simply no alternative left? Did someone put something in the water they drink!?

I would give ANYTHING to be a high level telepath infiltrating that gang.
 
2012-09-29 11:37:35 PM  
I had to look it up. It's called the Ransberger Pivot, a debate technique in which the debater accepts his opponents objections and tries to find a common-ground solution.

And Obama is DEVASTATING at it. His whole campaign, his whole _presidency,_ is predicated on the theme of "we're all in this together." Romney basically admitted more than once that his goal is "divide and conquer." It was the underpinning of the "47%" statement.

Now, we're all sitting around feeling smug that Romney is resorting to using endlessly-rehearsed one-liners to make his case, but the fact is that that's what his base responds to. We know that for the Republican party, a well-timed bumper sticker can trump hundreds of hours of research and study. So we're going to get to the end of this debate and the Republicans are going to say "Yeaaaah! Romney showed that uppity what-for how it's done! Total Republican victory! 2012, baby!" The rest of the country will be sitting there with our collective whey-faces hanging out, saying, "Did he just say that??" And, once again, anyone looking for policy specifics is going to be disappointed.

McCain's attitude during the debates killed him. Someone here said that all the shrugging and eye-rolling and sighing made him seem like a spoiled teenage girl. His every expression screamed "I don't have to debate these points my opponent is making because they have no validity on their face." I'm guessing someone told him to be more "energetic" during the debates - he was going against someone thirty years younger - and it came across as hyper and camp.

Romney, if you're not even going to bother to debate your opponent, well, I can think of at least one person who wants to sit at the Resolute Desk more than you, and he's already there. If I want zingers, I'll watch Modern Family. Ed O'Neill is way funnier than you.

I remember when Obama appeared on Letterman not long after the right wing was clutching their collective pearls over the "lipstick on a pig" comment. At one point, he turned to Letterman and said, "Well, in that context, [Palin] would be the lipstick." Point being that Obama can probably do on his feet what Romney has been rehearsing for months. So more than likely, Romney is going to go "Zing!" and Obama is going to go "Zing!" right back.

Forget popcorn. I'm having my night catered. Six-foot sandwich, anyone?
 
2012-09-29 11:38:01 PM  

Olympic Trolling Judge: whidbey: Of course he's going to win.

After all, he made 321 of you dipshiats comment.

/Moskowitz

That's not true. Some of us posted more than once, so it's gotta be less than 321.


Um no, and now it's 334 comments of solid derp for Romney.

/roofdog
 
2012-09-29 11:40:37 PM  

lemurs: This can't be real. Romney's biggest problem is that he doesn't offer any specific plans or ideas, so he's going to spend the debate trying to deliver pithy one-liners in the hope that Obama might slip up? There's not enough facepalms in the world...


Yeah, that's the problem with zingers. Either you have to have an opponent who is known to present the opportunity (Bentsen/Quayle) and have one ready just in case, or you have to have the kind of timing that lets you get away with it (Reagan/Carter).

Obama doesn't present the kind of routine "I'm just like John Kennedy" remarks to have a prepared zinger ready; and Romney hasn't ever shown the kind of timing and quickness on the draw to exploit a momentary lapse in his opponent.
 
2012-09-29 11:43:41 PM  

Fark It: hackhix: Fark It: So, Romney's plan for debating the strongest public speaker of a generation and one of the smartest smarmiest people to every occupy the White House is to get into a rhetorical shootout on live television? 

/FTFY

Yes, because Obama, the community organizer son of a single mom who didn't pay off his school loans until well into his 30s is more smug than the Mormon Gordon Gecko born into political royalty who protested in favor of Vietnam while getting a draft deferment to do "missionary" work in France.


Then/than

Learn how to use them before posting
 
2012-09-29 11:44:20 PM  

GodsTumor: Is it hot in here or is it because I'm the only one wearing magic underwear....rim-shot!



GWB's magic debate underwear...


I didn't know you could pull a g-string up that high.
 
2012-09-29 11:46:05 PM  
Zingers? Please. Barry's "Cutting the debt" hilarity, the lies and half-truths about his shameful deceptions in regards to the terror (oh, I'm sorry, I mean spontaneous out-of-nowhere attacks killing Americans) in the middle east, feigning ignorance and ultimately ignoring responsibilty for the gun running op that killed agents in the US and Mexico, the wonderful above 8% unemployment rate and nearly stagnant GDP growth.....At least the media is doing their due diligence.
 
2012-09-29 11:48:12 PM  

3_Butt_Cheeks: Zingers? Please. Barry's "Cutting the debt" hilarity, the lies and half-truths about his shameful deceptions in regards to the terror (oh, I'm sorry, I mean spontaneous out-of-nowhere attacks killing Americans) in the middle east, feigning ignorance and ultimately ignoring responsibilty for the gun running op that killed agents in the US and Mexico, the wonderful above 8% unemployment rate and nearly stagnant GDP growth.....At least the media is doing their due diligence.


It took you that long to come up with the same old tired talking points that haven't worked since the primaries? Sad.
 
2012-09-29 11:48:34 PM  
At least we are placated by Obamacare, which of course will NOT raise TAXES on anyone, especially the "middle class".

Duped again
 
2012-09-29 11:49:26 PM  
<a href="http://blog.heritage.org/2012/06/29/obamacare-raises-taxes-on-3- million-middle-class-americans/" target="_blank">Gee this sucks</a>
 
2012-09-29 11:52:49 PM  
Obama's war on the handicapped continues. Now they can't even post hyperlinks!
 
2012-09-29 11:55:16 PM  
It's like watching Lucy try to squirm out of it when Ricky busts her, only without the cuteness and innocence. This shiat is getting so predictable I can't even make fun of that moron anymore. He's just too fark I N G dumb.
 
2012-09-29 11:58:43 PM  
I think that the Romney plan is to provide some FOX news soundbytes that they can use. Most FOX viewers won't actually be watching the debate, and will form their impression of it from being told what to think on FOX and Rush, backed up by clips and soundbytes of 10 seconds or less.
 
2012-09-29 11:59:41 PM  

you are a puppet: Obama's war on the handicapped continues. Now they can't even post hyperlinks!


You would think HTML would be covered in a Masters in Cybersecurity curriculum.
 
2012-09-30 12:01:04 AM  
"It was the film".
 
2012-09-30 12:01:54 AM  

propasaurus: you are a puppet: Obama's war on the handicapped continues. Now they can't even post hyperlinks!

You would think HTML would be covered in a Masters in Cybersecurity curriculum.


Ha!
 
2012-09-30 12:02:04 AM  

lemurs: so he's going to spend the debate trying to deliver pithy one-liners


Now, now, don't get pithy.
 
2012-09-30 12:02:59 AM  

propasaurus: you are a puppet: Obama's war on the handicapped continues. Now they can't even post hyperlinks!

You would think HTML would be covered in a Masters in Cybersecurity curriculum.


He was pulled away from his classes to do a hitch in the Marine Core.
 
2012-09-30 12:03:07 AM  

TV's Vinnie: Okay, Fark filter. CHALLENGE ACCEPTED!

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Filter out all THAT, beeotch!


The filter results in "nubian", and it does not care if it finds a whole word or only part of a word. Hence silly filterpwnages such as "nubianrdly".
 
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