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(Today)   Twenty-five years ago today, Captain Jean-Luc Picard and the crew of the USS Enterprise 1701-D boldly went where no one had gone before. Here are the 7 best episodes of the series that will undoubtedly differ from yours. Where's Rascals?   (theclicker.today.com) divider line 226
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2012-09-29 03:37:50 PM
I'll say it! That's a solid list.
 
2012-09-29 03:43:04 PM
Some of those first season eps were...challenging. If it had been on a network I don't think the show would have lasted long enough to get good.

Or make it to that groundbreaking arc where Worf and Wesley were lovers. "The boy, Captain. He needs more...discipline."
 
2012-09-29 03:45:13 PM
Picard Thread!

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2012-09-29 03:54:12 PM
My top seven, off the top of my head:

7) ...All Good Things
6) Darmok
5) Yesterday's Enterprise
4) Cause and Effect
3) Tapestry
2) The Inner Light
1) The Defector

I can be argued.
 
2012-09-29 04:27:29 PM
www.startrek.com

"I am Locutus....A Borg. Resistance is futile. Your life,as it has been,is over. From this time forward,you will exist to service...us."



Best. Episode. Ever.
 
2012-09-29 04:31:43 PM

DamnYankees: My top seven, off the top of my head:

7) ...All Good Things
6) Darmok
5) Yesterday's Enterprise
4) Cause and Effect
3) Tapestry
2) The Inner Light
1) The Defector

I can be argued.



Pretty good list. Except Darmok. That episode just didn't make any sense at all. A lot of correspondence with my friends are just references to pop culture too but they're still eventually rooted in regular language.

There should be a "worst of" list too. Anyone remember "Masks"?

www.treknologic.com
 
2012-09-29 04:45:13 PM
I'd remove Phantasms and replace that with Tapestry, but otherwise I'm fine with the list. I honestly think The Inner Light is the best TNG episode, but I'm willing at accept any arguments for Best of Both Worlds and Chain of Command. No episode tops those three, well technically five, episodes. Tapestry, ..All Good Things, Yesterday's Enterprise and Measure of a Man are fantastic, but just can't match the others.

Mentat: Picard Thread!

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2012-09-29 04:52:47 PM
I can't believe Sub Rosa isn't on this list.
 
2012-09-29 04:56:03 PM
I was gonna post a photo of Wil Wheaton in his footie pajama uniform for a laugh. I saw this and decided I'd just close the window and find something else about the show to make fun of:

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I'm thinking there's some Trekkies out there that need their own personal Level 1 containment field to keep them in their parents' basement.
 
2012-09-29 05:11:53 PM

Mugato: DamnYankees: My top seven, off the top of my head:

7) ...All Good Things
6) Darmok
5) Yesterday's Enterprise
4) Cause and Effect
3) Tapestry
2) The Inner Light
1) The Defector

I can be argued.


Pretty good list. Except Darmok. That episode just didn't make any sense at all. A lot of correspondence with my friends are just references to pop culture too but they're still eventually rooted in regular language.

There should be a "worst of" list too. Anyone remember "Masks"?

[www.treknologic.com image 300x285]


The best episode was when Crusher fell in love with a Scottish ghost who had screwed a number of her female ancestors and then it turned out she was just farking a candle the whole time.
 
2012-09-29 05:16:07 PM

FunkOut: Mugato: DamnYankees: My top seven, off the top of my head:

7) ...All Good Things
6) Darmok
5) Yesterday's Enterprise
4) Cause and Effect
3) Tapestry
2) The Inner Light
1) The Defector

I can be argued.


Pretty good list. Except Darmok. That episode just didn't make any sense at all. A lot of correspondence with my friends are just references to pop culture too but they're still eventually rooted in regular language.

There should be a "worst of" list too. Anyone remember "Masks"?

[www.treknologic.com image 300x285]

The best episode was when Crusher fell in love with a Scottish ghost who had screwed a number of her female ancestors and then it turned out she was just farking a candle the whole time.


Look I don't know what kind of Star Trek porn parodys you've been watching but.......I want a copy
 
2012-09-29 05:17:11 PM

Mugato: Pretty good list. Except Darmok.


you're farking fired. From this thread.
 
2012-09-29 05:17:20 PM

FunkOut: The best episode was when Crusher fell in love with a Scottish ghost who had screwed a number of her female ancestors and then it turned out she was just farking a candle the whole time.


I don't even remember that one. Was that a holodeck episode?

Anyway, TNG had a huge catalog of shiatty episodes, even if you don't count the first two seasons.

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Deep Space Nine is where it's at, holosuite and Ferengi episodes aside.
 
2012-09-29 05:21:35 PM
Tapestry was on today on BBCA.. Never seen it before. Pretty solid.
 
2012-09-29 05:22:54 PM

Mugato: FunkOut: The best episode was when Crusher fell in love with a Scottish ghost who had screwed a number of her female ancestors and then it turned out she was just farking a candle the whole time.

I don't even remember that one. Was that a holodeck episode?

Anyway, TNG had a huge catalog of shiatty episodes, even if you don't count the first two seasons.

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Deep Space Nine is where it's at, holosuite and Ferengi episodes aside.


Sadly not - Sub Rosa.

/enjoyed Jamie Hubbard The Dauphin immensely.
//and Worf getting ready to strike the shape changer only when she was an old lady again.
 
2012-09-29 05:24:39 PM
Pretty standard "best-of" list for TNG, though they're trying to troll us by replacing "Tapestry" with "Phantasms".
 
2012-09-29 05:24:57 PM
List fails without Tapestry.
 
2012-09-29 05:25:00 PM
I still remember being in the dorm common room with my friends and watching that episode where long-dead Denise Crosby shows up at the end and she's a Romulan and we all completely lost our shiat.
 
2012-09-29 05:25:13 PM
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Episode "Sub Rosa".
 
2012-09-29 05:27:01 PM
I always like "Parallels". The one where Work kept switching from one reality to another.

"Sir, we're receiving over 5000 hails"

......or something like that
 
2012-09-29 05:27:29 PM
The one with Max Headroom playing a con man from Cleveland is pretty good, too.
 
2012-09-29 05:28:13 PM

Mugato: Deep Space Nine is where it's at, holosuite and Ferengi episodes aside.


THIS. ( Some of the Ferengi episodes were actually good, IMHO, their self-centered & greedy behavior amused me..)

/ Wall Street bankers in space...
 
2012-09-29 05:30:32 PM

The All-Powerful Atheismo: Mugato: Pretty good list. Except Darmok.

you're farking fired. From this thread.


I'm sorry, I get the point of the episode, it just didn't make any sense.

But then I think DS9 is the best overall series so what do I know.
 
2012-09-29 05:31:35 PM

Mugato: There should be a "worst of" list too. Anyone remember "Masks"?


Not until you reminded me. I'd shunted that from memory along with the bulk of the 1st and 2nd seasons.

Diana Muldaur's finest moment.
 
2012-09-29 05:32:20 PM

FunkOut: [media.tumblr.com image 234x350]

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Episode "Sub Rosa".


YUP

Every now and than Trek would slip something by the censors. Bev's masturbation scene was one of em.
 
2012-09-29 05:32:37 PM
I was all ready to complain about the lack of cellular peptide cake... with mint frosting, but I was amazed to see it on the list.
 
2012-09-29 05:33:19 PM

Tax Boy: I still remember being in the dorm common room with my friends and watching that episode where long-dead Denise Crosby shows up at the end and she's a Romulan and we all completely lost our shiat.


"Humans have a habit of showing up when you least expect them."

/Or something to that effect
 
2012-09-29 05:33:27 PM

Mugato: The All-Powerful Atheismo: Mugato: Pretty good list. Except Darmok.

you're farking fired. From this thread.

I'm sorry, I get the point of the episode, it just didn't make any sense.

But then I think DS9 is the best overall series so what do I know.


I said you were fired. Did you get the memo?
 
2012-09-29 05:33:41 PM
I like the one where Geordi turns into a lizard.

And the one where Riker got pricked by a plant and relived all his bad memories!

And that one time Troi got mind-raped.

And that other episode where Troi's mom showed up

Oh, and that one time Worf's son played a cowboy
 
2012-09-29 05:34:12 PM

Mugato: There should be a "worst of" list too. Anyone remember "Masks"?


That was one of the "Hey, let's give Brent Spiner a chance to chew some scenery" episodes.

See also: any other episode where Data is possessed or Lore shows up.
 
2012-09-29 05:34:21 PM

buntz: Oh, and that one time Worf's son played a cowboy


Hey, that one was awesome.
 
2012-09-29 05:36:40 PM

buntz: I like the one where Geordi turns into a lizard.

And the one where Riker got pricked by a plant and relived all his bad memories!

And that one time Troi got mind-raped.

And that other episode where Troi's mom showed up

Oh, and that one time Worf's son played a cowboy


Troi had some farked up stories. She was mind-raped in one, got impregnated by an energy being in another, and lost her powers, giving her a complete breakdown.
 
2012-09-29 05:37:23 PM

NeoCortex42: Mugato: There should be a "worst of" list too. Anyone remember "Masks"?

That was one of the "Hey, let's give Brent Spiner a chance to chew some scenery" episodes.

See also: any other episode where Data is possessed or Lore shows up.


And the movie Generations. They dropped the "emotion chip" plot device after that.
 
2012-09-29 05:38:01 PM
Top five TNG episodes:
5. Tapestry/All Good Things (They're functionally the same story)
4. Darmok
3. The Drumhead
2. Yesterday's Enterprise
1. The Inner Light

Darmok is contentious. You either respect a show for a courageous, challenging concept or you evaluate them purely on the execution. Darmok was an episode that tried to show how difficult communication with aliens would be, and it did a good job. It's the best, hardest sci-fi episode in Star Trek history. Great stuff.

The Drumhead continues to be pertinent.

Chain of Command and The Best of Both Worlds were what the TNG movies should have been, but none of them had the conceptual greatness of the great single episodes. I don't consider them to be in the top 5 of episodes because they're wonderfully executed formulaic good times.

Also, DS9 may have had a higher batting average, but TNG seasons 3-5 contains the best Trek ever.
 
2012-09-29 05:38:06 PM

swahnhennessy: Pretty standard "best-of" list for TNG, though they're trying to troll us by replacing "Tapestry" with "Phantasms".


Yeah, but it has one of the funniest moments in the series.

Data: It's a cellular peptide cake

Worf (mouth full): With mint frosting!
 
2012-09-29 05:38:55 PM

Mugato: NeoCortex42: Mugato: There should be a "worst of" list too. Anyone remember "Masks"?

That was one of the "Hey, let's give Brent Spiner a chance to chew some scenery" episodes.

See also: any other episode where Data is possessed or Lore shows up.

And the movie Generations. They dropped the "emotion chip" plot device after that.


Yet still managed to find a way to make him sing showtunes:
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2012-09-29 05:39:00 PM
I don't remember the episode but Data's best line in the series was when they were playing poker and Data deals and says something to the effect of "...and nothing for the Klingon!"
 
2012-09-29 05:39:17 PM

Booyaxe: swahnhennessy: Pretty standard "best-of" list for TNG, though they're trying to troll us by replacing "Tapestry" with "Phantasms".

Yeah, but it has one of the funniest moments in the series.

Data: It's a cellular peptide cake

Worf (mouth full): With mint frosting!


"A Warrior's Drink!"
 
2012-09-29 05:40:11 PM

Bored Horde: Chain of Command and The Best of Both Worlds were what the TNG movies should have been, but none of them had the conceptual greatness of the great single episodes. I don't consider them to be in the top 5 of episodes because they're wonderfully executed formulaic good times.


Best part of "Best of Both Worlds" is that nobody expected a cliffhanger going into it, and it wasn't a sure thing that Picard would even be returning in the Fall.
 
2012-09-29 05:42:31 PM
I always like "Time's Arrow" as a favourite episode.

For a totally bizarro episode, "Genesis". Everyone's de-evolving and Barclay turning into a giant spider creature and springing out startled the hell out of me. I think it first aired around Halloween. And Worf turns into some venom monster and rips open a crew member.
 
2012-09-29 05:43:18 PM
3.bp.blogspot.com

What about the one with all of the drunken space micks?
 
2012-09-29 05:44:02 PM
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That is all.
 
2012-09-29 05:47:15 PM
While The Next Generation was a great series, a better series premiered on NBC just one year before TNG ended it's run. This time, however, instead of unrealistically being set in outer space, the developers of this new show decided to go a bit more familiar and gave us a show set in the near future, but instead of a spaceship, our heroes were serving mankind from the depths of the ocean in their super-submarine, the seaQuest DSV.

They were able to create an entertaining program that not only used state of the art special effects, but they were able to do so while giving us a glimpse into the lives of a very lovable, and real band of characters. Captain Bridger was living every naval officer's dream of being in charge of the very vessel that he designed. Lucas was a role model to every teenage boy in America that loved computers. He was a computer genius who became the head science officer on the seaQuest. Every character on that show was someone that most American people could relate to.

My top 5 favorite episodes are:
1. Games
2. The Devil's Window
3. Whale Song
4. Hide and Seek
5. Vapors
 
2012-09-29 05:47:26 PM
I thought "The Nth Degree" was fun. Dwight Schultz is a riot.
 
2012-09-29 05:48:24 PM

NeoCortex42: Bored Horde: Chain of Command and The Best of Both Worlds were what the TNG movies should have been, but none of them had the conceptual greatness of the great single episodes. I don't consider them to be in the top 5 of episodes because they're wonderfully executed formulaic good times.

Best part of "Best of Both Worlds" is that nobody expected a cliffhanger going into it, and it wasn't a sure thing that Picard would even be returning in the Fall.


I'll grant you that if you were watching the show live on its first run, The Best of Both Worlds would have a solid argument for going on the top 5 because it was so exciting and unexpected. But then you're arguing about qualities of the episode external to the episode proper - the rumors that Patrick Stewart was leaving the show because of contract negotiations gone sour, that bulletin boards were becoming popular enough that wild speculation fueled hunger for the sequel through the summer months, that it wasn't done for a show to end a season on a cliffhanger. If you pull the episode out of that, the episode is still amazing, but it is just an incredibly well executed formulaic story.
 
2012-09-29 05:50:01 PM

FunkOut: I always like "Time's Arrow" as a favourite episode.

For a totally bizarro episode, "Genesis". Everyone's de-evolving and Barclay turning into a giant spider creature and springing out startled the hell out of me. I think it first aired around Halloween. And Worf turns into some venom monster and rips open a crew member.


The episode where the Enterprise turns into a Mayan temple and Data is a demigod was another great drinking game episode too.
 
2012-09-29 05:50:44 PM

buntz: I don't remember the episode but Data's best line in the series was when they were playing poker and Data deals and says something to the effect of "...and nothing for the Klingon!"


I think you're thinking of "Cause and Effect" where they keep reliving the same day over and over and the Enterprise keeps getting destroyed at the end.

A pretty solid list as far as I can tell. I was very glad to see "Measure of a Man" on there as it's one of my favorites. It's probably the first really good episode in the series, especially after the stinker of a first season. The only first season episode I think that was half-way decent was the one where Geordi has to take command. Not on the list, but "Data's Day" is also one of my personal favorites. Seeing the other crewmembers and the Enterprise through Data's eyes was surprisingly interesting.

I rewatched the whole series on Netflix over the past year, so a lot is fresh in my mind. My favorite part was pointing out any lines from The Picard Song when they came up.

/I agree that "Masks" was pretty horrible

I rewatched
 
2012-09-29 05:51:04 PM

NeoCortex42: Best part of "Best of Both Worlds" is that nobody expected a cliffhanger going into it, and it wasn't a sure thing that Picard would even be returning in the Fall.


What he said. This was before every episode of the series teased with the "Who is going to die this week???" thing. There was little in the way of the Internet but still there were communities on Prodigy and what not where people really were talking about they were going to kill off Picard. When Picard, now a Borg drone was going on about how resistance is futile and Riker said, "Mr. Worf...fire" it was farking bad ass.

The Best of Both Worlds also made the Borg a truly scary villain. Up until then the concept of the Borg assimilating other species wasn't brought up. The fact that you and your entire civilization wouldn't be killed but rather turned into mindless drones was farked up. 

/then Seven of Nine made the Borg hot.
//well the Borg Queen was kind of hot too
 
2012-09-29 05:51:17 PM
 
2012-09-29 05:51:53 PM

NeoCortex42: Mugato: NeoCortex42: Mugato: There should be a "worst of" list too. Anyone remember "Masks"?

That was one of the "Hey, let's give Brent Spiner a chance to chew some scenery" episodes.

See also: any other episode where Data is possessed or Lore shows up.

And the movie Generations. They dropped the "emotion chip" plot device after that.

Yet still managed to find a way to make him sing showtunes:
[images1.wikia.nocookie.net image 600x253]


I just love scanning for life forms. Life forms, you little life forms, were are you?
 
2012-09-29 05:52:33 PM

The All-Powerful Atheismo: buntz: Oh, and that one time Worf's son played a cowboy

Hey, that one was awesome.


Tough call : Alexander as an annoying lil' pardner versus Data spitting into a potted plant and calling his cat a "varmint".

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Then there's Worf's reaction to the Data-faced saloon madam coming after him in the end.
 
2012-09-29 05:53:20 PM

BumpInTheNight: [4.bp.blogspot.com image 320x244]
That is all.


Ah, brings me back to my teen years...how I wanted that woman. Troi that is...though truth be told might have fapped to Crusher too...
 
2012-09-29 05:55:25 PM

Sultan Of Herf: Ah, brings me back to my teen years...how I wanted that woman. Troi that is...though truth be told might have fapped to Crusher too...


I got her autographed at a convention when I was a kid. I couldn't afford the in color "Pretty" Troi glossy so I picked the black & white "hair in a bun" Troi.

She wrote "Kind regards" on it.
 
2012-09-29 05:55:32 PM

Mugato: DamnYankees: My top seven, off the top of my head:

7) ...All Good Things
6) Darmok
5) Yesterday's Enterprise
4) Cause and Effect
3) Tapestry
2) The Inner Light
1) The Defector

I can be argued.


Pretty good list. Except Darmok. That episode just didn't make any sense at all. A lot of correspondence with my friends are just references to pop culture too but they're still eventually rooted in regular language.


i78.photobucket.com

"Shaka, when the walls fell."
 
2012-09-29 05:55:50 PM
10) Rascals
9) All Good Things...
8) Redemption I & II
7) Ensign Ro
6) Face of the Enemy
5) Darmok
4) The Inner Light
3) Disaster
2) Chain of Command
1) Yesterday's Enterprise
 
2012-09-29 05:57:34 PM
Honestly, a great list.

But I think Darmak should be on it. I
 
2012-09-29 05:57:57 PM

Sultan Of Herf: BumpInTheNight: [4.bp.blogspot.com image 320x244]
That is all.

Ah, brings me back to my teen years...how I wanted that woman. Troi that is...though truth be told might have fapped to Crusher too...


I remember fapping to Troi a bit in my preteen/early teens. The formfitting outfits and cleavage was more than enough to get my already raging hormones flowing.
 
2012-09-29 05:58:22 PM
TNG hasn't aged well
 
2012-09-29 05:58:37 PM

FunkOut: The All-Powerful Atheismo: buntz: Oh, and that one time Worf's son played a cowboy

Hey, that one was awesome.

Tough call : Alexander as an annoying lil' pardner versus Data spitting into a potted plant and calling his cat a "varmint".

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Then there's Worf's reaction to the Data-faced saloon madam coming after him in the end.


Don't forget Riker rehearsing for a play and instead reciting Ode to Spot
 
2012-09-29 05:59:10 PM

LeafyGreens: TNG hasn't aged well


A lot of that is the spandex.
 
2012-09-29 06:00:13 PM
Measure of a Man was brilliant. When Picard was trying to figure out how to make his case, and you the viewer is agonizing over how he was going to succeed, and he's sitting there talking to Guinan, and she says, almost casually, "Every civilization has its throwaway race..."

and it hits you, like Colonel Kurtze's "diamond bullet to the forehead" that what was really at stake here was Starfleet was actually, though inadvertently, about to invent a slave race. That was a mindblowing moment, and instantly crystallized the entire episode.
 
2012-09-29 06:00:55 PM
Phantasms: fun weird episode that doesn't really rise far above the median quality of the series. If you need a mind-fark episode to cover all the bases with the list, I'd swap in Parallels or the one with Riker in the alien lunatic asylum.

And Best of Both Worlds is television's greatest CLIFFHANGER, but Part II doesn't sustain the unbelievable tension that's set up. Pretty standard sneak-aboard-and-get-him-back resolution.
 
2012-09-29 06:01:50 PM

FunkOut: LeafyGreens: TNG hasn't aged well

A lot of that is the spandex.


The effects are aging poorly. But the blu-ray release has fully updated effects. They've done a wonderful job on Season 1, just like they did when they put TOS on blu-ray.
 
2012-09-29 06:02:44 PM

timharrod: And Best of Both Worlds is television's greatest CLIFFHANGER, but Part II doesn't sustain the unbelievable tension that's set up. Pretty standard sneak-aboard-and-get-him-back resolution.


The Borg were awful from the beginning and even worse in Voyager.
 
2012-09-29 06:09:26 PM

The English Major:
The Borg were awful from the beginning


Deep thoughts by TEM
 
2012-09-29 06:09:50 PM
Even though Yesterday's Enterprise is cool, Best of Both Wolrds is better and There are Four Lights! is good too.
 
2012-09-29 06:16:48 PM

FunkOut: LeafyGreens: TNG hasn't aged well

A lot of that is the spandex.


And the early-season appearance of skants.
 
2012-09-29 06:17:18 PM

Mugato: NeoCortex42: Best part of "Best of Both Worlds" is that nobody expected a cliffhanger going into it, and it wasn't a sure thing that Picard would even be returning in the Fall.

What he said. This was before every episode of the series teased with the "Who is going to die this week???" thing. There was little in the way of the Internet but still there were communities on Prodigy and what not where people really were talking about they were going to kill off Picard. When Picard, now a Borg drone was going on about how resistance is futile and Riker said, "Mr. Worf...fire" it was farking bad ass.

The Best of Both Worlds also made the Borg a truly scary villain. Up until then the concept of the Borg assimilating other species wasn't brought up. The fact that you and your entire civilization wouldn't be killed but rather turned into mindless drones was farked up. 

/then Seven of Nine made the Borg hot.
//well the Borg Queen was kind of hot too


Well, as I remember it at the time, contract negotiations with Patrick Stewart weren't going particularly well and it did look like he might leave the show. So it was one of the few cliffhangers where you thought it might actually be possible that they kill the character in question.
 
2012-09-29 06:17:35 PM

The All-Powerful Atheismo: The English Major:
The Borg were awful from the beginning

Deep thoughts by TEM


I think the Borg were the best possible villains in the Trek universe. Sure, they can't be bargained with or reasoned with, we've seen that before. But they didn't just want to destroy you, they want to enslave you, turn you into them. That's both our biggest fear and at the same time, something that can be turned around on us. Like the guy in DS9 who joined the Maqui and compared the Federation to the Borg.
 
2012-09-29 06:17:58 PM

Mr. Potatoass: [3.bp.blogspot.com image 400x305]

What about the one with all of the drunken space micks?


Not quite as offensive as the Space Africans.

But close.
 
2012-09-29 06:18:11 PM

FunkOut: [media.tumblr.com image 234x350]


Holy shiat, that deer in the headlights look on Troi is priceless. The episode's worth it for that alone.
 
2012-09-29 06:19:34 PM

The English Major: timharrod: And Best of Both Worlds is television's greatest CLIFFHANGER, but Part II doesn't sustain the unbelievable tension that's set up. Pretty standard sneak-aboard-and-get-him-back resolution.

The Borg were awful from the beginning and even worse in Voyager.


The dragon worm from season 2 of DSV was a far scarier villian.
 
2012-09-29 06:19:42 PM

NeoCortex42: Mr. Potatoass: [3.bp.blogspot.com image 400x305]

What about the one with all of the drunken space micks?

Not quite as offensive as the Space Africans.

But close.


I don't know, I think the Space Jews/Ferengi were also pretty bad.
 
2012-09-29 06:19:59 PM

Mugato: The All-Powerful Atheismo: The English Major:
The Borg were awful from the beginning

Deep thoughts by TEM

I think the Borg were the best possible villains in the Trek universe. Sure, they can't be bargained with or reasoned with, we've seen that before. But they didn't just want to destroy you, they want to enslave you, turn you into them. That's both our biggest fear and at the same time, something that can be turned around on us. Like the guy in DS9 who joined the Maqui and compared the Federation to the Borg.


Also, Quark's speech about Root Beer.
 
2012-09-29 06:20:21 PM

Mugato: The All-Powerful Atheismo: The English Major:
The Borg were awful from the beginning

Deep thoughts by TEM

I think the Borg were the best possible villains in the Trek universe. Sure, they can't be bargained with or reasoned with, we've seen that before. But they didn't just want to destroy you, they want to enslave you, turn you into them. That's both our biggest fear and at the same time, something that can be turned around on us. Like the guy in DS9 who joined the Maqui and compared the Federation to the Borg.


Voyager screwed them up, but the Borg WERE awesome.

I think Trek needed another villain that wasn't mindless like the Borg, but was more human, and pure evil.
 
2012-09-29 06:21:22 PM

Bored Horde: NeoCortex42: Mr. Potatoass: [3.bp.blogspot.com image 400x305]

What about the one with all of the drunken space micks?

Not quite as offensive as the Space Africans.

But close.

I don't know, I think the Space Jews/Ferengi were also pretty bad.


They at least got redeemed a lot over the course of DS9.
 
2012-09-29 06:21:32 PM

The All-Powerful Atheismo: Mugato: The All-Powerful Atheismo: The English Major:
The Borg were awful from the beginning

Deep thoughts by TEM

I think the Borg were the best possible villains in the Trek universe. Sure, they can't be bargained with or reasoned with, we've seen that before. But they didn't just want to destroy you, they want to enslave you, turn you into them. That's both our biggest fear and at the same time, something that can be turned around on us. Like the guy in DS9 who joined the Maqui and compared the Federation to the Borg.

Voyager screwed them up, but the Borg WERE awesome.

I think Trek needed another villain that wasn't mindless like the Borg, but was more human, and pure evil.


Lore?
 
2012-09-29 06:21:53 PM
Why does no one else ever mention The Defector besides me? I even put it #1 on my list and no one commented, yet NO ONE ever puts it on any lists. I'm confused by the world around me.
 
2012-09-29 06:22:28 PM

The All-Powerful Atheismo: I think Trek needed another villain that wasn't mindless like the Borg, but was more human, and pure evil.


Tomalok?
 
2012-09-29 06:22:31 PM

BumpInTheNight: The All-Powerful Atheismo: Mugato: The All-Powerful Atheismo: The English Major:
The Borg were awful from the beginning

Deep thoughts by TEM

I think the Borg were the best possible villains in the Trek universe. Sure, they can't be bargained with or reasoned with, we've seen that before. But they didn't just want to destroy you, they want to enslave you, turn you into them. That's both our biggest fear and at the same time, something that can be turned around on us. Like the guy in DS9 who joined the Maqui and compared the Federation to the Borg.

Voyager screwed them up, but the Borg WERE awesome.

I think Trek needed another villain that wasn't mindless like the Borg, but was more human, and pure evil.

Lore?


No I mean a race. Lore, as evil as he was, was little more than a nuisance threatening just the ship. I mean in more of a DS9 context, an entire race of evil that actually threatened the whole federation; like the founders, but worse.
 
2012-09-29 06:23:06 PM

DamnYankees: The All-Powerful Atheismo: I think Trek needed another villain that wasn't mindless like the Borg, but was more human, and pure evil.

Tomalok?


Tomalok wasn't evil, just partisan.
 
2012-09-29 06:23:31 PM

The All-Powerful Atheismo: I think Trek needed another villain that wasn't mindless like the Borg, but was more human, and pure evil.


They tried with the Cardassians on TNG, but that was set up for the (much better) Deep Space Nine, which was able to give their primary villains (Cardassians, then the Dominion) a chance to grow along with the characters. And originally, the Borg weren't going to be the "continued menace" that plagued Picard, it was going to be the mutated Trill symbiont parasites from season one.

The most menacing thing the Borg ever did was Wolf 359; by the time Descent rolled around they'd become sort of laughable.
 
2012-09-29 06:23:40 PM

The All-Powerful Atheismo: BumpInTheNight: The All-Powerful Atheismo: Mugato: The All-Powerful Atheismo: The English Major:
The Borg were awful from the beginning

Deep thoughts by TEM

I think the Borg were the best possible villains in the Trek universe. Sure, they can't be bargained with or reasoned with, we've seen that before. But they didn't just want to destroy you, they want to enslave you, turn you into them. That's both our biggest fear and at the same time, something that can be turned around on us. Like the guy in DS9 who joined the Maqui and compared the Federation to the Borg.

Voyager screwed them up, but the Borg WERE awesome.

I think Trek needed another villain that wasn't mindless like the Borg, but was more human, and pure evil.

Lore?

No I mean a race. Lore, as evil as he was, was little more than a nuisance threatening just the ship. I mean in more of a DS9 context, an entire race of evil that actually threatened the whole federation; like the founders, but worse.


The writers from season 1?
 
2012-09-29 06:24:13 PM

The All-Powerful Atheismo: DamnYankees: The All-Powerful Atheismo: I think Trek needed another villain that wasn't mindless like the Borg, but was more human, and pure evil.

Tomalok?

Tomalok wasn't evil, just partisan.


That was one thing about TNG: not enough Romulans.
 
2012-09-29 06:24:18 PM

DamnYankees: Why does no one else ever mention The Defector besides me? I even put it #1 on my list and no one commented, yet NO ONE ever puts it on any lists. I'm confused by the world around me.


Because Admiral Jarok was an idiot, he deserved to get caught.
 
2012-09-29 06:24:54 PM

BumpInTheNight: The All-Powerful Atheismo: BumpInTheNight: The All-Powerful Atheismo: Mugato: The All-Powerful Atheismo: The English Major:
The Borg were awful from the beginning

Deep thoughts by TEM

I think the Borg were the best possible villains in the Trek universe. Sure, they can't be bargained with or reasoned with, we've seen that before. But they didn't just want to destroy you, they want to enslave you, turn you into them. That's both our biggest fear and at the same time, something that can be turned around on us. Like the guy in DS9 who joined the Maqui and compared the Federation to the Borg.

Voyager screwed them up, but the Borg WERE awesome.

I think Trek needed another villain that wasn't mindless like the Borg, but was more human, and pure evil.

Lore?

No I mean a race. Lore, as evil as he was, was little more than a nuisance threatening just the ship. I mean in more of a DS9 context, an entire race of evil that actually threatened the whole federation; like the founders, but worse.

The writers from season 1?


Oh burn.
 
2012-09-29 06:25:28 PM

Bored Horde: NeoCortex42: Mr. Potatoass: [3.bp.blogspot.com image 400x305]

What about the one with all of the drunken space micks?

Not quite as offensive as the Space Africans.

But close.

I don't know, I think the Space Jews/Ferengi were also pretty bad.


I always viewed them as Saudis.
 
2012-09-29 06:26:03 PM

FunkOut: Bored Horde: NeoCortex42: Mr. Potatoass: [3.bp.blogspot.com image 400x305]

What about the one with all of the drunken space micks?

Not quite as offensive as the Space Africans.

But close.

I don't know, I think the Space Jews/Ferengi were also pretty bad.

I always viewed them as Saudis.


Racist.
 
2012-09-29 06:29:19 PM

FunkOut: Bored Horde: NeoCortex42: Mr. Potatoass: [3.bp.blogspot.com image 400x305]

What about the one with all of the drunken space micks?

Not quite as offensive as the Space Africans.

But close.

I don't know, I think the Space Jews/Ferengi were also pretty bad.

I always viewed them as Saudis.


"In the Star Trek universe, the Ferengi are the most human people out there. Because the human people in the Star Trek universe are much more evolved than we are. The Ferengi aren't." (Robert Hewitt Wolfe and Ira Behr were always insistent they modeled the DS9 Ferengi on 20th century humanity, especially Americans)
 
2012-09-29 06:29:59 PM
 
2012-09-29 06:30:37 PM

The All-Powerful Atheismo: Voyager screwed them up, but the Borg WERE awesome.

I think Trek needed another villain that wasn't mindless like the Borg, but was more human, and pure evil.


I think the Borg were screwed up starting with "I, Borg". Picard could have destroyed them for good and he and even Guinen decided not to. That was just bad writing and Picard should have been court martial-ed.

The Borg weren't mindless at all and they were very human, that's what made them scary villains.
 
2012-09-29 06:31:00 PM

Mugato: There should be a "worst of" list too.


Any episode with Q or Troi's mother.
 
2012-09-29 06:32:45 PM

Mugato:
I think the Borg were screwed up starting with "I, Borg". Picard could have destroyed them for good and he and even Guinen decided not to. That was just bad writing and Picard should have been court martial-ed.


What the hell is wrong with you?
 
2012-09-29 06:34:18 PM

The All-Powerful Atheismo: FunkOut: Bored Horde: NeoCortex42: Mr. Potatoass: [3.bp.blogspot.com image 400x305]

What about the one with all of the drunken space micks?

Not quite as offensive as the Space Africans.

But close.

I don't know, I think the Space Jews/Ferengi were also pretty bad.

I always viewed them as Saudis.

Racist.


The Bajorans were the Jews and the Cardassians were the Germans.
 
2012-09-29 06:34:30 PM

The All-Powerful Atheismo: No I mean a race. Lore, as evil as he was, was little more than a nuisance threatening just the ship. I mean in more of a DS9 context, an entire race of evil that actually threatened the whole federation; like the founders, but worse.


You mean like the Shadows and the Drakh?
 
2012-09-29 06:35:34 PM

The All-Powerful Atheismo: Mugato:
I think the Borg were screwed up starting with "I, Borg". Picard could have destroyed them for good and he and even Guinen decided not to. That was just bad writing and Picard should have been court martial-ed.

What the hell is wrong with you?


I'm with Mugato.
 
2012-09-29 06:36:22 PM

PacManDreaming: The All-Powerful Atheismo: No I mean a race. Lore, as evil as he was, was little more than a nuisance threatening just the ship. I mean in more of a DS9 context, an entire race of evil that actually threatened the whole federation; like the founders, but worse.

You mean like the Shadows and the Drakh?


Yes, like those races from that DS9 knockoff show.
 
2012-09-29 06:37:05 PM

DamnYankees: The All-Powerful Atheismo: Mugato:
I think the Borg were screwed up starting with "I, Borg". Picard could have destroyed them for good and he and even Guinen decided not to. That was just bad writing and Picard should have been court martial-ed.

What the hell is wrong with you?

I'm with Mugato.


go watch Measure of a Man again.

fark, go watch all of Star Trek pre-DS9 again.
 
2012-09-29 06:37:41 PM

KingoftheCheese:
The Bajorans were the Jews and the Cardassians were the Germans.


THE BAJORANS ARE THE JEWS FOR GUL DUKAT'S OVENS
 
2012-09-29 06:38:00 PM

DamnYankees: The All-Powerful Atheismo: Mugato:
I think the Borg were screwed up starting with "I, Borg". Picard could have destroyed them for good and he and even Guinen decided not to. That was just bad writing and Picard should have been court martial-ed.

What the hell is wrong with you?

I'm with Mugato.


That's probably why Nechayev sent him to that secret mission to count lights, as revenge for his idiocy in I, Borg. Which was basically contradicted by that awful First Contact movie.
 
2012-09-29 06:38:36 PM
Picard 20 years ago / Picard "aged" 20 years in the future / Patrick Stewart as he appears now

www.freeimagehosting.net
 
2012-09-29 06:39:58 PM

Bhruic: Patrick Stewart as he appears now

comedycentral-co-uk.mtvnimages.com




ftfy
 
2012-09-29 06:40:44 PM

Wyalt Derp: Mugato: There should be a "worst of" list too.

Any episode with Q or Troi's mother.


Tapestry.
Also, All Good Things...worked really well as a finale, considering the show didn't really have a running plot.
 
2012-09-29 06:40:52 PM

The All-Powerful Atheismo: go watch Measure of a Man again.

fark, go watch all of Star Trek pre-DS9 again.


Measure of a Man is not applicable at all. No one is denying Hugh's sentience. We're just saying its not inviolable.
 
2012-09-29 06:41:55 PM

Bhruic: Picard 20 years ago / Picard "aged" 20 years in the future / Patrick Stewart as he appears now

[www.freeimagehosting.net image 700x284]


Picard wasn't earning royalties from Star Trek and X-Men that he could spend on plastic surgery
 
2012-09-29 06:42:28 PM

Wyalt Derp: Mugato: There should be a "worst of" list too.

Any episode with Q or Troi's mother.


Q episodes aren't bad, but they are wildly inconsistent. "Tapestry" is quite good (though one could argue that it wasn't really Q at all, and it was all Picard's near-death hallucination).

/Of course, John de Lancie's Discord is more malevolent than Q ever was, despite being in a kids' cartoon.
 
2012-09-29 06:43:11 PM

Wyalt Derp: Mugato: There should be a "worst of" list too.

Any episode with Q or Troi's mother.


WRONG.
 
2012-09-29 06:43:56 PM

DamnYankees: The All-Powerful Atheismo: go watch Measure of a Man again.

fark, go watch all of Star Trek pre-DS9 again.

Measure of a Man is not applicable at all. No one is denying Hugh's sentience. We're just saying its not inviolable.


Which is totally antipathetic to everything Star Trek stood for at the time.

Otherwise, In the Pale Moonlight wouldn't have been such a morality play.
 
2012-09-29 06:44:21 PM

The All-Powerful Atheismo: Yes, like those races from that DS9 knockoff show.


You mean the one that was infinitely superior? Of all the Trek series, I'm still trying to figure out how DS9 made it into production. They had a few good episodes, but most of the time it was like watching people in the hotel cafeteria at a Star Trek convention.
 
2012-09-29 06:45:07 PM

The All-Powerful Atheismo: Which is totally antipathetic to everything Star Trek stood for at the time.


Maybe, but the threat presented by the Borg was the type of threat which would make you have to seriously think about the inviolability of what Star Trek stood for.

The All-Powerful Atheismo: Otherwise, In the Pale Moonlight wouldn't have been such a morality play.


True. But I, Hugh could have been that good. And it wasn't.
 
2012-09-29 06:47:26 PM

The All-Powerful Atheismo: No I mean a race.


admittedly, I never watched Voyager, but what was the deal with that alien race that was all CGI?

Species 423123 or something?
 
2012-09-29 06:47:38 PM

The All-Powerful Atheismo: Tomalok?


Thanks for reminding me: "Future Imperfect" would look good on the list as the mind-fark episode to replace Phantasms.
 
2012-09-29 06:47:43 PM

DamnYankees: The All-Powerful Atheismo: Which is totally antipathetic to everything Star Trek stood for at the time.

Maybe, but the threat presented by the Borg was the type of threat which would make you have to seriously think about the inviolability of what Star Trek stood for.


Of course, which was the point of the episode, and the point being that they came that close to sacrificing their morals, but in the end did the right thing.
 
2012-09-29 06:48:13 PM

The All-Powerful Atheismo: DamnYankees: The All-Powerful Atheismo: Which is totally antipathetic to everything Star Trek stood for at the time.

Maybe, but the threat presented by the Borg was the type of threat which would make you have to seriously think about the inviolability of what Star Trek stood for.

Of course, which was the point of the episode, and the point being that they came that close to sacrificing their morals, but in the end did the right wrong thing.


There you go.
 
2012-09-29 06:48:24 PM

buntz: The All-Powerful Atheismo: No I mean a race.

admittedly, I never watched Voyager, but what was the deal with that alien race that was all CGI?

Species 423123 or something?


I don't know, I stopped watching that turd at about that time.

even Enterprise was far better than Voyager.
 
2012-09-29 06:49:00 PM

DamnYankees: The All-Powerful Atheismo: DamnYankees: The All-Powerful Atheismo: Which is totally antipathetic to everything Star Trek stood for at the time.

Maybe, but the threat presented by the Borg was the type of threat which would make you have to seriously think about the inviolability of what Star Trek stood for.

Of course, which was the point of the episode, and the point being that they came that close to sacrificing their morals, but in the end did the right wrong thing.

There you go.


Trenchant point.
 
2012-09-29 06:49:04 PM

The All-Powerful Atheismo: FunkOut: Bored Horde: NeoCortex42: Mr. Potatoass: [3.bp.blogspot.com image 400x305]

What about the one with all of the drunken space micks?

Not quite as offensive as the Space Africans.

But close.

I don't know, I think the Space Jews/Ferengi were also pretty bad.

I always viewed them as Saudis.

Racist.


I took that mostly from the wealth and the way they treat their women. Plus Saudis have fangs.
 
2012-09-29 06:49:19 PM

The All-Powerful Atheismo: DamnYankees: The All-Powerful Atheismo: Which is totally antipathetic to everything Star Trek stood for at the time.

Maybe, but the threat presented by the Borg was the type of threat which would make you have to seriously think about the inviolability of what Star Trek stood for.

Of course, which was the point of the episode, and the point being that they came that close to sacrificing their morals, but in the end did the right thing.


The Borg were a virus. It's not immoral to kill a virus.
 
2012-09-29 06:49:37 PM
3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-09-29 06:49:47 PM

The English Major:
The Borg were a virus.


Hugh wasn't.
 
2012-09-29 06:51:53 PM

The All-Powerful Atheismo: even Enterprise was far better than Voyager, DS9 and ST:TNG.


FTFY. I really liked the first two or three seasons of Enterprise and couldn't understand why everyone hated it so much.
 
2012-09-29 06:52:02 PM

The All-Powerful Atheismo: Mugato:
I think the Borg were screwed up starting with "I, Borg". Picard could have destroyed them for good and he and even Guinen decided not to. That was just bad writing and Picard should have been court martial-ed.

What the hell is wrong with you?


Besides the bizarre auto-correct, what? Picard could have destroyed the Borg and saved billions of lives but decided not to because he fell in love with one drone. And that drone wasn't even Seven of Nine.
 
2012-09-29 06:55:44 PM

The All-Powerful Atheismo: The English Major:
The Borg were a virus.

Hugh wasn't.


No, he was a victim, like a zombie in a George Romero movie. That doesn't make him part of a race.
 
2012-09-29 07:05:46 PM
soonerpsycho.com
 
2012-09-29 07:10:42 PM
Ok. Fine. Since nobody is taking my bait, I will chime in with my real answers.

My favorite TNG episode of all time was I, Borg. They showed a side of the Borg that was almost human, albeit quite naive. For several years, I would participate in sims on the Compuserve Star Trek forum, using the screen name HughBorg. I would even go so far as to say that Hugh is in my top five favorite Star Trek characters.
 
2012-09-29 07:13:34 PM

mcreadyblue: [3.bp.blogspot.com image 262x320]


I raise you:

www.padinga.com
 
2012-09-29 07:13:59 PM

KingoftheCheese: My favorite TNG episode of all time was I, Borg. They showed a side of the Borg that was almost human, albeit quite naive. For several years, I would participate in sims on the Compuserve Star Trek forum, using the screen name HughBorg. I would even go so far as to say that Hugh is in my top five favorite Star Trek characters.


Yeah, and Picard not uploading Hugh with the paradox algorithm that would have destroyed the Collective was a treasonous offense.
 
2012-09-29 07:17:27 PM
"Congratulations, you are fully dilated to ten centimeters. You may now give birth."

Best line of the series.
 
2012-09-29 07:18:43 PM

Mugato: KingoftheCheese: My favorite TNG episode of all time was I, Borg. They showed a side of the Borg that was almost human, albeit quite naive. For several years, I would participate in sims on the Compuserve Star Trek forum, using the screen name HughBorg. I would even go so far as to say that Hugh is in my top five favorite Star Trek characters.

Yeah, and Picard not uploading Hugh with the paradox algorithm that would have destroyed the Collective was a treasonous offense.


No. It was compassion. Locutus was still a very big part of Picard when dealing with Hugh. He knew what it was like. He had experienced assimilation and the hive mind. And although they were a notoriously dangerous race of people, they were still that- a race of people. Destroying an entire civilization was against everything Picard ever stood for.
 
2012-09-29 07:21:01 PM

addy2: "Congratulations, you are fully dilated to ten centimeters. You may now give birth."

Best line of the series.


The callback to this when Keiko goes into labor on DS9 was great. Worf gets a scared shiatless expression on his face and runs away as quickly as possible.
 
2012-09-29 07:22:56 PM

NeoCortex42: addy2: "Congratulations, you are fully dilated to ten centimeters. You may now give birth."

Best line of the series.

The callback to this when Keiko goes into labor on DS9 was great. Worf gets a scared shiatless expression on his face and runs away as quickly as possible.


Keiko never went into labor on DS9.
 
2012-09-29 07:23:38 PM

addy2: "Congratulations, you are fully dilated to ten centimeters. You may now give birth."

Best line of the series.


Wrong.

You must talk to him. Tell him he's a good cat. And a pretty cat.
 
2012-09-29 07:24:45 PM

KingoftheCheese: NeoCortex42: addy2: "Congratulations, you are fully dilated to ten centimeters. You may now give birth."

Best line of the series.

The callback to this when Keiko goes into labor on DS9 was great. Worf gets a scared shiatless expression on his face and runs away as quickly as possible.

Keiko never went into labor on DS9.


Oh, right. I forgot It was Kira. Still an O'Brien baby, though.
 
2012-09-29 07:25:07 PM

The All-Powerful Atheismo: addy2: "Congratulations, you are fully dilated to ten centimeters. You may now give birth."

Best line of the series.

Wrong.

You must talk to him. Tell him he's a good cat. And a pretty cat.


I'm gonna vote for "Commander, tell me about your sexual organs."
 
2012-09-29 07:31:21 PM

KingoftheCheese: Mugato: KingoftheCheese: My favorite TNG episode of all time was I, Borg. They showed a side of the Borg that was almost human, albeit quite naive. For several years, I would participate in sims on the Compuserve Star Trek forum, using the screen name HughBorg. I would even go so far as to say that Hugh is in my top five favorite Star Trek characters.

Yeah, and Picard not uploading Hugh with the paradox algorithm that would have destroyed the Collective was a treasonous offense.

No. It was compassion. Locutus was still a very big part of Picard when dealing with Hugh. He knew what it was like. He had experienced assimilation and the hive mind. And although they were a notoriously dangerous race of people, they were still that- a race of people. Destroying an entire civilization was against everything Picard ever stood for.


The Borg aren't a race in any definition of the word. If Picard cared anything about Hugh, he would have de-assimilated him like Janeway did Seven of Nine. Or implanted the virus and saved billions of lives. Picard sucks. Sisko on the other hand got shiat done.
 
2012-09-29 07:31:55 PM

NeoCortex42: addy2: "Congratulations, you are fully dilated to ten centimeters. You may now give birth."

Best line of the series.

The callback to this when Keiko goes into labor on DS9 was great. Worf gets a scared shiatless expression on his face and runs away as quickly as possible.


"Did you hear? Keiko is going to have a baby!"

"NOW?"

...

"I'm afraid I will be away from the station then. Far away. On Earth. Visiting my grandparents."
 
2012-09-29 07:32:48 PM

NeoCortex42: KingoftheCheese: NeoCortex42: addy2: "Congratulations, you are fully dilated to ten centimeters. You may now give birth."

Best line of the series.

The callback to this when Keiko goes into labor on DS9 was great. Worf gets a scared shiatless expression on his face and runs away as quickly as possible.

Keiko never went into labor on DS9.

Oh, right. I forgot It was Kira. Still an O'Brien baby, though.


I had to look up the scene I was thinking of. It's when Keiko is initially pregnant and O'Brien informs Worf. Worf tells them that he'll be away from the station when she gives birth.
"Far away. Visiting my parents. On Earth."
 
2012-09-29 07:34:56 PM

The All-Powerful Atheismo: addy2: "Congratulations, you are fully dilated to ten centimeters. You may now give birth."

Best line of the series.

Wrong.

You must talk to him. Tell him he's a good cat. And a pretty cat.


Just watched that. I like the way Worf says "your animal..." very funny.
 
2012-09-29 07:35:50 PM

addy2: The All-Powerful Atheismo: addy2: "Congratulations, you are fully dilated to ten centimeters. You may now give birth."

Best line of the series.

Wrong.

You must talk to him. Tell him he's a good cat. And a pretty cat.

Just watched that. I like the way Worf says "your animal..." very funny.


I love the way Worf holds him
 
2012-09-29 07:37:59 PM

PacManDreaming: I was gonna post a photo of Wil Wheaton in his footie pajama uniform for a laugh. I saw this and decided I'd just close the window and find something else about the show to make fun of:

[i.imgur.com image 697x210] 

I'm thinking there's some Trekkies out there that need their own personal Level 1 containment field to keep them in their parents' basement.


www.thinkgeek.com
 
2012-09-29 07:40:50 PM

Tax Boy: Bhruic: Picard 20 years ago / Picard "aged" 20 years in the future / Patrick Stewart as he appears now

[www.freeimagehosting.net image 700x284]

Picard wasn't earning royalties from Star Trek and X-Men that he could spend on plastic surgery


You shut your whore mouth. That man is fine in so many ways. But, he's gay, so just another DGFW.
 
2012-09-29 07:44:35 PM

Mugato: KingoftheCheese: Mugato: KingoftheCheese: My favorite TNG episode of all time was I, Borg. They showed a side of the Borg that was almost human, albeit quite naive. For several years, I would participate in sims on the Compuserve Star Trek forum, using the screen name HughBorg. I would even go so far as to say that Hugh is in my top five favorite Star Trek characters.

Yeah, and Picard not uploading Hugh with the paradox algorithm that would have destroyed the Collective was a treasonous offense.

No. It was compassion. Locutus was still a very big part of Picard when dealing with Hugh. He knew what it was like. He had experienced assimilation and the hive mind. And although they were a notoriously dangerous race of people, they were still that- a race of people. Destroying an entire civilization was against everything Picard ever stood for.

The Borg aren't a race in any definition of the word. If Picard cared anything about Hugh, he would have de-assimilated him like Janeway did Seven of Nine. Or implanted the virus and saved billions of lives. Picard sucks. Sisko on the other hand got shiat done.


Sisko was a fighter. Picard was a diplomat. That's like comparing apples to oranges.

And yes, the Borg were a race, or a species, or whatever you want to call them. The bottom line is that they were an intelligent life form. Killing them would have been immoral, even if they were evil.
 
2012-09-29 07:49:33 PM
imageshack.us
 
2012-09-29 07:49:55 PM

KingoftheCheese: And yes, the Borg were a race, or a species, or whatever you want to call them. The bottom line is that they were an intelligent life form. Killing them would have been immoral, even if they were evil.


They were a collection of victims. Assimilated against their will with everything that they were destroyed. How is that a race?
 
2012-09-29 07:51:23 PM

Mugato: KingoftheCheese: And yes, the Borg were a race, or a species, or whatever you want to call them. The bottom line is that they were an intelligent life form. Killing them would have been immoral, even if they were evil.

They were a collection of victims. Assimilated against their will with everything that they were destroyed. How is that a race?


So you're saying they're Latino
 
2012-09-29 07:57:01 PM

cherryl taggart: Tax Boy: Bhruic: Picard 20 years ago / Picard "aged" 20 years in the future / Patrick Stewart as he appears now

[www.freeimagehosting.net image 700x284]

Picard wasn't earning royalties from Star Trek and X-Men that he could spend on plastic surgery

You shut your whore mouth. That man is fine in so many ways. But, he's gay, so just another DGFW.


Patrick Stewart isn't gay. You're thinking of Kenneth Branaugh, who played Cyclops.
 
2012-09-29 08:00:07 PM

bhcompy: mcreadyblue: [3.bp.blogspot.com image 262x320]

I raise you:

[www.padinga.com image 618x427]


25.media.tumblr.com
 
2012-09-29 08:01:26 PM

Mugato: KingoftheCheese: And yes, the Borg were a race, or a species, or whatever you want to call them. The bottom line is that they were an intelligent life form. Killing them would have been immoral, even if they were evil.

They were a collection of victims. Assimilated against their will with everything that they were destroyed. How is that a race?


Yes, but how many of them, as drones, still identified with their original race? None. "We are the Borg", not "We are a bunch of Klingons, Humans, Bolians, etc. that have been assimilated..."

The fact remains that even if they did not choose to be, they were all Borg and they made up a unique collective of people. That is a race.
 
2012-09-29 08:06:52 PM
Watched the original in the '60s as a kid and have never stopped.

Will never watch any of the pretenders.
 
2012-09-29 08:14:51 PM

The All-Powerful Atheismo: Mugato: Pretty good list. Except Darmok.

you're farking fired. From this thread.


Nah, Darmok was a good concept but a very poor execution. The idea of stories as a basis of language is ridiculous. If you don't know the stories, you can't convey a new story, and it's still made up of basic words. It just doesn't work.
 
2012-09-29 08:25:00 PM

KingoftheCheese: Yes, but how many of them, as drones, still identified with their original race? None. "We are the Borg", not "We are a bunch of Klingons, Humans, Bolians, etc. that have been assimilated..."

The fact remains that even if they did not choose to be, they were all Borg and they made up a unique collective of people. That is a race.


No, it's really not, by any definition of the word. If Picard had chosen to destroy them all right then and there, billions of lives and thousands of civilizations wouldn't have been assimilated. Even he acknowledged that later on.
 
2012-09-29 08:31:16 PM

Mugato: KingoftheCheese: Yes, but how many of them, as drones, still identified with their original race? None. "We are the Borg", not "We are a bunch of Klingons, Humans, Bolians, etc. that have been assimilated..."

The fact remains that even if they did not choose to be, they were all Borg and they made up a unique collective of people. That is a race.

No, it's really not, by any definition of the word. If Picard had chosen to destroy them all right then and there, billions of lives and thousands of civilizations wouldn't have been assimilated. Even he acknowledged that later on.


I think we are going to have to agree to disagree on this one, friend.
 
2012-09-29 08:32:25 PM
He filed an appeal with the union.

Anyway, no love for the Riker episode where he's trapped in a play and asylum in his mind?
 
2012-09-29 08:41:21 PM
Honorable mention: Timescape
 
2012-09-29 08:51:10 PM
There TNG ethics discussions involving Picard are great.

Of course, it totally fits the high moral code of Picard not to use Hugh as a weapon. It makes sense for his character, even with his past as Locutis. The thing I always wondered about is if anyone else in Starfleet had a problem with letting Hugh go. How many lives were lost to the Borg after Hugh? How many members of Starfleet were already mad at Picard xfor Locutis and then he let Hugh go? Picard is told by Starfleet to stay away at the beginning of First Contact because they don't trust him because of Locutis. Okay, but it'd be a nice enhancer to throw a line in about someone at Starfleet Command not trusting him to 'really fight' the Borg.
When instead he'd become a more determined Borg killer than anybody. The Picard of First Contact would have used Hugh, no problem.
 
2012-09-29 08:58:03 PM
holey crap I feel old now.
 
2012-09-29 09:40:57 PM

Mugato: Anyway, TNG had a huge catalog of shiatty episodes, even if you don't count the first two seasons.


TNG and all the Star Trek series usually produced 26 episodes a season. Twice as many as pick-your-favorite-critically-acclaimed-cable-drama. Crap was inevitable, and it's amazing there wasn't more. A worst-of list suggests if they'd had a 24-episode season there would be no bad episodes.
 
2012-09-29 09:47:11 PM

DamnYankees: My top seven, off the top of my head:

7) ...All Good Things
6) Darmok
5) Yesterday's Enterprise
4) Cause and Effect
3) Tapestry
2) The Inner Light
1) The Defector

I can be argued.


A good list, but I'd swap out The Defector with Who Watches the Watchers?. Not to say The Defector was a bad episode, definitely one of my favorites.
 
2012-09-29 09:52:28 PM
3.bp.blogspot.com

I can't hate this episode because of one line - "I am not a merry man!"

i'll always love that
 
2012-09-29 09:55:17 PM
"Then go! Your blood will paint the way to the future!"
 
2012-09-29 09:59:20 PM

DamnYankees: My top seven, off the top of my head:

7) ...All Good Things
6) Darmok
5) Yesterday's Enterprise
4) Cause and Effect
3) Tapestry
2) The Inner Light
1) The Defector

I can be argued.


Cause and Effect! My all time favorite! Good list!
 
2012-09-29 10:00:54 PM

Tax Boy: cherryl taggart: Tax Boy: Bhruic: Picard 20 years ago / Picard "aged" 20 years in the future / Patrick Stewart as he appears now

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Picard wasn't earning royalties from Star Trek and X-Men that he could spend on plastic surgery

You shut your whore mouth. That man is fine in so many ways. But, he's gay, so just another DGFW.

Patrick Stewart isn't gay. You're thinking of Kenneth Branaugh, who played Cyclops.


Are you sure, really truly? My life suddenly has new meaning. Do not trifle with me.
 
2012-09-29 10:07:13 PM

KingoftheCheese: Mugato: KingoftheCheese: Yes, but how many of them, as drones, still identified with their original race? None. "We are the Borg", not "We are a bunch of Klingons, Humans, Bolians, etc. that have been assimilated..."

The fact remains that even if they did not choose to be, they were all Borg and they made up a unique collective of people. That is a race.

No, it's really not, by any definition of the word. If Picard had chosen to destroy them all right then and there, billions of lives and thousands of civilizations wouldn't have been assimilated. Even he acknowledged that later on.

I think we are going to have to agree to disagree on this one, friend.


The Borg Collective is akin to cancer. Anyone can catch/become part of it. The victims are just that, victims. To eradicate the Collective is no worse than trying to eradicate cancer. People already infected will most likely die, but countless more will live long lives without it's presence.
 
2012-09-29 10:10:58 PM

bhcompy: Tapestry was on today on BBCA.. Never seen it before. Pretty solid.


Too bad everyone in NextGen was perfect, they could have done an awesome version of The Christmas Carol with Q if anyone had had any room for growth.
 
2012-09-29 10:13:03 PM

Dumb-Ass-Monkey: KingoftheCheese: Mugato: KingoftheCheese: Yes, but how many of them, as drones, still identified with their original race? None. "We are the Borg", not "We are a bunch of Klingons, Humans, Bolians, etc. that have been assimilated..."

The fact remains that even if they did not choose to be, they were all Borg and they made up a unique collective of people. That is a race.

No, it's really not, by any definition of the word. If Picard had chosen to destroy them all right then and there, billions of lives and thousands of civilizations wouldn't have been assimilated. Even he acknowledged that later on.

I think we are going to have to agree to disagree on this one, friend.

The Borg Collective is akin to cancer. Anyone can catch/become part of it. The victims are just that, victims. To eradicate the Collective is no worse than trying to eradicate cancer. People already infected will most likely die, but countless more will live long lives without it's presence.


you are advocating killing everyone who has a deadly infectious disease. you realize that, right?
 
2012-09-29 10:16:21 PM
The Wounded is another really good one, the end scene alone is worth watching.
 
2012-09-29 10:16:51 PM

The All-Powerful Atheismo: Dumb-Ass-Monkey: KingoftheCheese: Mugato: KingoftheCheese: Yes, but how many of them, as drones, still identified with their original race? None. "We are the Borg", not "We are a bunch of Klingons, Humans, Bolians, etc. that have been assimilated..."

The fact remains that even if they did not choose to be, they were all Borg and they made up a unique collective of people. That is a race.

No, it's really not, by any definition of the word. If Picard had chosen to destroy them all right then and there, billions of lives and thousands of civilizations wouldn't have been assimilated. Even he acknowledged that later on.

I think we are going to have to agree to disagree on this one, friend.

The Borg Collective is akin to cancer. Anyone can catch/become part of it. The victims are just that, victims. To eradicate the Collective is no worse than trying to eradicate cancer. People already infected will most likely die, but countless more will live long lives without it's presence.

you are advocating killing everyone who has a deadly infectious disease. you realize that, right?


Euthanasia in cases of terminal, incurable disease.
 
2012-09-29 10:20:52 PM

Dumb-Ass-Monkey:
Euthanasia in cases of terminal, incurable disease.


No, euthanasia implies CONSENT. you are suggesting execution.

Am I being trolled?
 
2012-09-29 10:24:37 PM

r1chard3: bhcompy: Tapestry was on today on BBCA.. Never seen it before. Pretty solid.

Too bad everyone in NextGen was perfect, they could have done an awesome version of The Christmas Carol with Q if anyone had had any room for growth.


Not surprisingly, it reminded me of Stewart's turn as Scrooge.
 
2012-09-29 10:25:04 PM

The All-Powerful Atheismo: Dumb-Ass-Monkey:
Euthanasia in cases of terminal, incurable disease.

No, euthanasia implies CONSENT. you are suggesting execution.

Am I being trolled?


Yeah but the Borg never gave consent to become Borg, they're effectively already dead. If they were all wiped out then entire civilizations would be saved. Would you hesitate wiping out all zombies if/when the zombie apocalypse happens?
 
2012-09-29 10:28:05 PM

bhcompy: r1chard3: bhcompy: Tapestry was on today on BBCA.. Never seen it before. Pretty solid.

Too bad everyone in NextGen was perfect, they could have done an awesome version of The Christmas Carol with Q if anyone had had any room for growth.

Not surprisingly, it reminded me of Stewart's turn as Scrooge.


Quark as Scrooge, except when he wakes up, he uses the knowledge he gained from seeing into Christmas future to buy stocks and makes a killing.
 
2012-09-29 10:29:04 PM

RockChalkH1N1: DamnYankees: My top seven, off the top of my head:

7) ...All Good Things
6) Darmok
5) Yesterday's Enterprise
4) Cause and Effect
3) Tapestry
2) The Inner Light
1) The Defector

I can be argued.

Cause and Effect! My all time favorite! Good list!


Cause and Effect was good, but a bit disappointing because we didn't get any resolution.

They could have cut down on five minutes of time looping for a nice resolution scene with Captain Frasier Crane and not lost anything.
 
2012-09-29 10:33:56 PM

Mugato: The All-Powerful Atheismo: Dumb-Ass-Monkey:
Euthanasia in cases of terminal, incurable disease.

No, euthanasia implies CONSENT. you are suggesting execution.

Am I being trolled?

Yeah but the Borg never gave consent to become Borg, they're effectively already dead. If they were all wiped out then entire civilizations would be saved. Would you hesitate wiping out all zombies if/when the zombie apocalypse happens?


Hugh proved your assertion incorrect. Hugh's rebel followers also prove it for the rest of the borg too, showing it's not an isolated incident.
 
2012-09-29 10:35:39 PM
Phantasms? Seriously? Ok the scene w/ Data, Worf and the cat was funny, but other than that, this is painful to watch.
 
2012-09-29 10:39:35 PM

OtherLittleGuy: He filed an appeal with the union.

Anyway, no love for the Riker episode where he's trapped in a play and asylum in his mind?


i291.photobucket.com
 
2012-09-29 10:39:53 PM

The All-Powerful Atheismo: Hugh proved your assertion incorrect. Hugh's rebel followers also prove it for the rest of the borg too, showing it's not an isolated incident.


Sure but is it realistic to try and capture billions of drones and un-assimilate them, provide them all with alcoves like Seven of Nine had to use? Even if that were possible in a hundred years or so, what about all the billions of people that are being assimilated in the meantime?
 
2012-09-29 10:41:45 PM

Mugato: The All-Powerful Atheismo: Hugh proved your assertion incorrect. Hugh's rebel followers also prove it for the rest of the borg too, showing it's not an isolated incident.

Sure but is it realistic to try and capture billions of drones and un-assimilate them, provide them all with alcoves like Seven of Nine had to use? Even if that were possible in a hundred years or so, what about all the billions of people that are being assimilated in the meantime?


No, but the crux of the episode was that it was wrong to kill Hugh to destroy the rest of them. Nobody, neither Picard nor anybody in this thread, said it was wrong to kill borg that were actively trying to kill Enterpriseans.
 
2012-09-29 10:48:29 PM
NeoCortex42
>>> I don't know, I think the Space Jews/Ferengi were also pretty bad.

They at least got redeemed a lot over the course of DS9.

Redemption?
media.agonybooth.com
 
2012-09-29 10:50:46 PM
This reminded me, has the Blue-Ray upgrade come out yet?
 
2012-09-29 10:51:05 PM
Um, pretty good list.

"THERE ARE FOUR LIGHTS!"
 
2012-09-29 10:55:29 PM

DamnYankees: My top seven, off the top of my head:

7) ...All Good Things
6) Darmok
5) Yesterday's Enterprise
4) Cause and Effect
3) Tapestry
2) The Inner Light
1) The Defector

I can be argued.


I would drop #1, 4, and 7 and add The Offspring, The Perfect Mate, and Best of Both Worlds Part 2
 
2012-09-29 11:04:08 PM

r1chard3: This reminded me, has the Blue-Ray upgrade come out yet?


Season 1 is out, season 2 comes out at some point in the next couple of months.

The good seasons will start coming out next year.
 
2012-09-29 11:11:51 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: I'll say it! That's a solid list.


This. Very good list indeed.

/THERE ARE FOUR LIGHTS~!
 
2012-09-29 11:38:49 PM

Bored Horde: Darmok is contentious. You either respect a show for a courageous, challenging concept or you evaluate them purely on the execution. Darmok was an episode that tried to show how difficult communication with aliens would be, and it did a good job. It's the best, hardest sci-fi episode in Star Trek history. Great stuff.


Darmok wasn't just about alien communication; it was about communication at all. Think about how much blood was shed when any civilization meets another. Think of how many native Americans and English settlers died because they simply couldn't talk to each other. Language isn't just functional descriptions; translating between one and the other isn't simply a matter of replacing one word or one sound or one phrase with another. Language has its origins in the very culture and mental world view of its speaker. When the English settlers made contracts with the native Americans for property, what they didn't understand was that not just the word, but the very concept of "property" was foreign to the natives.

Darmok demonstrated this beautifully and thanks in no small part to Patrick Stewart's ability to demonstrate epiphany.

Chain of Command and The Best of Both Worlds were what the TNG movies should have been, but none of them had the conceptual greatness of the great single episodes. I don't consider them to be in the top 5 of episodes because they're wonderfully executed formulaic good times.

I'll give you Best of Both Worlds; that was fun sci-fi suspense but it wasn't thought-provoking allegory -- that's what Trek is and that's what makes Trek great.

But Chain of Command was a wonderful allegory of torture. Not just from the point of view of the tortured, but the torturer as well. The rest of the episode was mostly just filler but that last scene where Gul Madred frantically attempted to break Picard, even with something as trivial as the number of lights...that one scene demonstrated the torturer's mentality better than anything I've seen in media.

Also, DS9 may have had a higher batting average, but TNG seasons 3-5 contains the best Trek ever.

Agreed. DS9 was fun and the writing, acting and production quality was, on average, far ahead of what TNG had. But it failed to include the very core property of Star Trek -- what made it relevant instead of just another decent space soap opera; it failed to include morality.
 
2012-09-29 11:42:27 PM
I love the TNG threads where all the people get mad about Darmok & can't get past the exact words. It's just one of those things you have to grok. It's not about the literal words, "Shaka, when the walls fell".

If you get tied up in how it would be so easy to piece together the language if you heard "Shaka, when the walls fell," then you probably take Trek a little too literally & too seriously.
 
2012-09-29 11:45:08 PM

KingoftheCheese: Mugato: KingoftheCheese: My favorite TNG episode of all time was I, Borg. They showed a side of the Borg that was almost human, albeit quite naive. For several years, I would participate in sims on the Compuserve Star Trek forum, using the screen name HughBorg. I would even go so far as to say that Hugh is in my top five favorite Star Trek characters.

Yeah, and Picard not uploading Hugh with the paradox algorithm that would have destroyed the Collective was a treasonous offense.

No. It was compassion. Locutus was still a very big part of Picard when dealing with Hugh. He knew what it was like. He had experienced assimilation and the hive mind. And although they were a notoriously dangerous race of people, they were still that- a race of people. Destroying an entire civilization was against everything Picard ever stood for.


You're arguing with the guy who likes to project realism -- as in "what would happen in THE REAL WORLD" -- into Star Trek....
 
2012-09-29 11:48:29 PM

legion_of_doo: I love the TNG threads where all the people get mad about Darmok & can't get past the exact words. It's just one of those things you have to grok. It's not about the literal words, "Shaka, when the walls fell".

If you get tied up in how it would be so easy to piece together the language if you heard "Shaka, when the walls fell," then you probably take Trek a little too literally & too seriously.


Zinda, his face black, his eyes red.
 
2012-09-29 11:49:06 PM

Mr. Potatoass: mick


Ah, yes...this one scene made the whole episode:

tng.trekcore.com

And the line "Send in the clones!"
 
2012-09-29 11:53:01 PM
Best episodes in order by season:

Measure of a Man
Yesterday's Enterprise
Best of Both Worlds I & II
Devil's Due
-- WTF you say? It's TNG's brilliant criticism of faith and religion.
Darmok -- I understand why it's infuriating, but it's also a pretty sophisticated examination of communication.
Cause and Effect -- pure entertainment, but TNG at its best with a wacky science fiction plot.
I, Borg -- This is one of the greats that always gets overlooked. It's an excellent examination of if mass murder, even genocide, can be justifiable.
The Inner Light
Chain of Command I & II
Tapestry
All Good Things...
 
2012-09-29 11:53:27 PM

legion_of_doo: I love the TNG threads where all the people get mad about Darmok & can't get past the exact words. It's just one of those things you have to grok. It's not about the literal words, "Shaka, when the walls fell".

If you get tied up in how it would be so easy to piece together the language if you heard "Shaka, when the walls fell," then you probably take Trek a little too literally & too seriously.


But but but an island of tiny people just DOESN'T MAKE SENSE. I mean, am I supposed to believe that people really kill each other over which side of the egg to break first? That's just not believable, bro.
 
2012-09-29 11:54:35 PM

FunkOut: [media.tumblr.com image 234x350]

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Episode "Sub Rosa".


As bad as the episode is, it deserves props for having Crusher masturbate onscreen.
 
2012-09-30 12:00:07 AM

FirstNationalBastard: RockChalkH1N1: DamnYankees: My top seven, off the top of my head:

7) ...All Good Things
6) Darmok
5) Yesterday's Enterprise
4) Cause and Effect
3) Tapestry
2) The Inner Light
1) The Defector

I can be argued.

Cause and Effect! My all time favorite! Good list!

Cause and Effect was good, but a bit disappointing because we didn't get any resolution.

They could have cut down on five minutes of time looping for a nice resolution scene with Captain Frasier Crane and not lost anything.


No resolution? They got out of the causality loop. Problem resolved.

The reason there wasn't a scene with Captain Crane was because we all know how it would have played out: "You mean we left space port 76 years ago? Dear god. Our families... they're all dead."
 
2012-09-30 12:17:40 AM
I remember that premiere like it was yesterday.

(geekness follows)

It was our D&D night, but everyone else except me was a hardcore Trek fan. I grudgingly agreed to suspend play to watch the first episode.

By the time Troi got to feeling "GREAT SORRRROOOOWWW" I had caused such a ruckus with my insults and giggling at how bad it was that I got banished to the kitchen until it was over.
 
2012-09-30 12:32:26 AM

TheHopeDiamond: I remember that premiere like it was yesterday.

(geekness follows)

It was our D&D night, but everyone else except me was a hardcore Trek fan. I grudgingly agreed to suspend play to watch the first episode.

By the time Troi got to feeling "GREAT SORRRROOOOWWW" I had caused such a ruckus with my insults and giggling at how bad it was that I got banished to the kitchen until it was over.


Watched every episode with my dad when it came on new every week 1987-1994...... He was sooooo excited about it and talking about it all the time before the premiere. He watched every new episode of the original series when it came on too. And unlike many, many people at the time, gave TNG a chance to be as good as/eclipse TOS. He likes TNG more to this day...... We debate about it and quote episodes all the time. Now when we catch it on re-runs, we try to beat each other to name the episode and plot when it starts on the TV.

/lucky for me he is still around
//love your dad
///while you can
 
2012-09-30 12:52:23 AM
Glad to see "Yesterday's Enterprise" was on there. My #1 favorite one. It had that freaky Enterprise C which was a weird mix of the Enterprise A and D, naturally.
 
2012-09-30 12:58:57 AM
I'm a fan of the list. I also think Time's Arrow would have made a really cool movie if they'd developed it a little more. Just started re-watching the whole series for about the 500th time, with my Nitpicker's Guide in hand.

/i45.tinypic.com
 
2012-09-30 01:21:37 AM
Oh c'mon. Everyone knows a proper list would be something like:

1. Shades of Gray
2. Code of Honor
3. The Royale
4. Angel One
5. Sub Rosa
6. A Fistful of Datas
7. Masks

In all seriousness though, my favorites out of the ones not listed in the article would be Cause and Effect, Conundrum, Remember Me, The Drumhead, Clues, Time's Arrow, and Darmok (which was showing the night my daughter was born, so some bias there).
 
2012-09-30 01:24:04 AM
I think my favourite is "The Inner Light", but I also really liked "Time's Arrow" and a handful of others that I can't remember the names of at the moment.
 
2012-09-30 01:26:09 AM

thornhill: FirstNationalBastard: RockChalkH1N1: DamnYankees: My top seven, off the top of my head:

7) ...All Good Things
6) Darmok
5) Yesterday's Enterprise
4) Cause and Effect
3) Tapestry
2) The Inner Light
1) The Defector

I can be argued.

Cause and Effect! My all time favorite! Good list!

Cause and Effect was good, but a bit disappointing because we didn't get any resolution.

They could have cut down on five minutes of time looping for a nice resolution scene with Captain Frasier Crane and not lost anything.

No resolution? They got out of the causality loop. Problem resolved.

The reason there wasn't a scene with Captain Crane was because we all know how it would have played out: "You mean we left space port 76 years ago? Dear god. Our families... they're all dead."


I thought I read something about them wanting Kirstie Alley to be there next to the captain (reprising her role of Savik) when the viewscreen came up. That wouldv'e been a nice easter egg.
 
2012-09-30 01:34:09 AM
It's been 25 years since the show first aired? It feels like it was just yesterday when I watched the first episode and thought "Man does this show suck!"
 
2012-09-30 01:41:22 AM
Data... Space stud

2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-09-30 01:48:46 AM

NeoCortex42: And the movie Generations. They dropped the "emotion chip" plot device after that.


You're kidding, right? First Contact mentioned it a couple of times and it made the whole premise of Data being "converted" by the Borg Queen almost believable.
Generations
First Contact
Insurrection
Nemesis
 
2012-09-30 01:48:55 AM
Picard has got to be the most farked up person in the galaxy:

Assimilated by the Borg . . .

Tortured by the Cardasians . . .

Forced to live an entire life as some one else (but he does get a nice flute out of it).

How the hell does anyone live through that and still have the ability to command (and like a farkin' boss, at that).


/ mighty balls of dilithium, one supposes.
/ once had two of my six vanity bar lights go out . . .
/ refused to replace them just so I could say "THERE ARE FOUR LIGHTS" every morning.
 
2012-09-30 01:53:29 AM
All I want to say is TNG battle scenes SUCKED for the most part. Watch that battle scene from Yesterday's Enterprise.... "Let's fire a 2 second phaser shot and then talk about it for 20 seconds... Then change course again (ignoring that they never actually MOVED or pointed the ship around 148 degrees, etc...) and fire another 2 second shot... At least 2:28 in that video looked like a reasonable salvo.
 
2012-09-30 01:57:37 AM

Bhruic: Picard 20 years ago / Picard "aged" 20 years in the future / Patrick Stewart as he appears now

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That middle shot was not 20 years. It was more like 30-40 (and in a HARSH UV environment) from the Inner Light.
 
2012-09-30 02:01:06 AM
24th century balls would be made of carbon neutronium. Duh. :)

And Chekov and Tom Paris were whipped way more than Picard.


As for the lifetime lived in his mind from that probe and then being able to command... That's the much-lamented, over-used "Magic Reset Button" that was pushed at the end of every episode right after the word "Engage" was spoken.

maxx2112: Picard has got to be the most farked up person in the galaxy:

Assimilated by the Borg . . .

Tortured by the Cardasians . . .

Forced to live an entire life as some one else (but he does get a nice flute out of it).

How the hell does anyone live through that and still have the ability to command (and like a farkin' boss, at that).


/ mighty balls of dilithium, one supposes.
/ once had two of my six vanity bar lights go out . . .
/ refused to replace them just so I could say "THERE ARE FOUR LIGHTS" every morning.

 
2012-09-30 03:28:28 AM
i486.photobucket.com
I liked the one with Tasha Yar's sister's ass......


i486.photobucket.com
...and totally awesome 80's 'do.
 
2012-09-30 05:36:22 AM
My dad was a Trekkie when it aired in the '60s (when he was 8-11). I became a Trekkie from 4 when TNG premiered, and I thought Worf was BADASS!

Now...

...
...

...everytime I see "The Inner Light" I bawl like a baby when Picard stares at nothing and plays that flute/recorder/thingy. He had the perfect life, just so a civilization could tell him, "Hey! You're one of us, and you know it!", without prejudice of who'd find it or what they'd do with it - and they get the best example of humanity at that time has always hit the philosophy chord in me hard.

/Mindfark: Is he playing it for the perfect memories he now has, or the perfect life that he has lost?
 
2012-09-30 05:39:12 AM

addy2: "Congratulations, you are fully dilated to ten centimeters. You may now give birth."

Best line of the series.


The best line came shortly after that.

"I will now smack the child to induce breathing."
 
2012-09-30 06:01:46 AM
It's the one episode that didn't get made that probably would had been my favorite.

They were going to adapt a BOLO story and bring those aircraft carrier sized tanks into the Star Trek universe.

i274.photobucket.com
 
2012-09-30 08:51:04 AM
no love for relics?
 
2012-09-30 09:44:48 AM

maxx2112: Picard has got to be the most farked up person in the galaxy:


I don't know. O'Brien had a bit of a rough run through DS9.
 
2012-09-30 09:47:30 AM

NeoCortex42: maxx2112: Picard has got to be the most farked up person in the galaxy:

I don't know. O'Brien had a bit of a rough run through DS9.


And ensign Kim was Voyager's punching bag.
 
2012-09-30 09:49:45 AM

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I just liked it for watching Troi sucking a stogie. Sucking.
 
2012-09-30 10:10:05 AM
I would vote for any episode that squeezed Ashley Judd's hot ass into a jumpsuit. Also, anything with Moriarty on the holodeck.
 
2012-09-30 12:24:45 PM

NeoCortex42: Mr. Potatoass: [3.bp.blogspot.com image 400x305]

What about the one with all of the drunken space micks?

Not quite as offensive as the Space Africans.

But close.


Depends on your point of view. As a drunken land mick that episode, and the Voyager Haven episodes, resulted in a lot of offended rage / embarrasment.
Which thankfully resulted in a lot of "coping".

/On my third can of "coping" as we speak.
//Also, Best of Both Worlds is the #1 Trek episode, and All Good Things was probably the most satisfying resolution to a TV series I've ever seen.
 
2012-09-30 12:45:33 PM
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I've wanted to punch this thing in its bubble-head face since like forever.
 
2012-09-30 02:00:20 PM

NeoCortex42: maxx2112: Picard has got to be the most farked up person in the galaxy:

I don't know. O'Brien had a bit of a rough run through DS9.


God yes he did. The one with the implanted prison sentence is a great episode.

ThereAreFourLights: I'm a fan of the list. I also think Time's Arrow would have made a really cool movie if they'd developed it a little more. Just started re-watching the whole series for about the 500th time, with my Nitpicker's Guide in hand.

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the Nitpickers Guide is an interesting read, I think the one where they point out the security foces having a stadning order of "follow the captain's orders to remove people from the bridge unless something good is on the viewscreen".
 
2012-09-30 02:08:25 PM
Night terrors ought to be up there.

And however good or bad an episode, life wouldn't be the same if Worf had never said 'I am NOT a merry man!'.
 
2012-09-30 03:33:14 PM

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I've wanted to punch this thing in its bubble-head face since like forever.


It's the space door-to-door bathroom tile salesman. Elon Musk will give him lots of business.
 
2012-09-30 06:52:32 PM
1. All Good Things...
2. Darmok
3. Deja Q
4. Elementary, Dear Data
5. Parallels
6. The Inner Light
7. Remember Me
 
2012-10-01 09:16:19 AM
I'd simply add this...

Frame of Mind
 
2012-10-01 02:59:02 PM

rickycal78: Sultan Of Herf: BumpInTheNight: [4.bp.blogspot.com image 320x244]
That is all.

Ah, brings me back to my teen years...how I wanted that woman. Troi that is...though truth be told might have fapped to Crusher too...

I remember fapping to Troi a bit in my preteen/early teens. The formfitting outfits and cleavage was more than enough to get my already raging hormones flowing.


Bev Crusher was my weakness. Redhead, graceful, big caboose, sexy, breathy voice...hoo ahh.

I remember circa 1992 when I first discovered newsgroups that there were some pretty saucy Crusher and Troi slashfic stories circulating on the Usenets. Same goes for a Troi/Wesley story or two (and a Beverly/Wesley story, IIRC).

My top 5 episodes:

5) Masks and Darmok tie for 5th place, and here is why: For one, these are two episodes that really delve into what most hard science fiction authors hate about Trek: It doesn't take any chances. Masks asked the question, "What if a completely alien technology took over the Enterprise and they had to survive just using the meat inside their heads?" You had an ancient city, buried inside a comet (probably for a good reason), which takes over the technology on the Enterprise (including the android) and converts it into a living holodeck representation of the city's culture and history. It did give Spiner the chance to chew up scenery but it also gave a very different story than usual. Darmok did what another poster already said - got rid of those pesky universal translator plot devices to show exactly how difficult it would be to communicate with aliens if all translational problems weren't instantly surmounted (see Babel Fish). The technology translated the metaphor but not the meaning, which was interesting.

4) The Nth Degree - I always loved the Barclay character concept: A complete social retard getting through Starfleet, AND managing to get posted to the flagship, who used the holodeck that 99.9999% of us would have used it for? What's not to love about him? Plus Schultz made it work. Add in Barclay suddenly getting godlike intellect and it just went off into left field, which was glorious. Plus, had he pressed it a bit more, he probably could have bedded Troi.

3) Inner Light - Only because it managed to be a Trek story without getting all technobabbly. A story which, as the writers said in many of the DVD commentaries, was about the people, not the sci-fi.

2) Yesterday's Enterprise - Best time travel story in TNG, and in Peter David's "Q Squared," it also made for an interesting alternative timeline

1) Best of Both Worlds, Part 1 - Yes, the cliffhanger made me lose my shiat completely. There has never been, imho a cliffhanger as good in Trek.

As I've said in other threads, "Best of Both Worlds Part 2" and "Brothers" were the two episodes I loved to hate, only because in both cases, were it in the real world, you could say goodbye to your Picard and Data. We would never put Picard in charge of a starship again after doing what he did as a Borg, and they'd have to rootkit Data to prevent him from taking over a Federation starship again (which he did completely with little to no effort in the space of 15 minutes). Total fiction, the both of them.
 
2012-10-01 03:21:24 PM

floorpie: [images3.wikia.nocookie.net image 521x522]
I've wanted to punch this thing in its bubble-head face since like forever.


THIS! The talking chest need to burn as well.
 
2012-10-01 04:54:33 PM

KingoftheCheese: The Bajorans were the Jews and the Cardassians were the Germans.


No the Bajorans are the Lithuanians and the Cardassians are the Russians.
 
2012-10-01 07:18:42 PM
I didn't notice anyone mention "Ship in a Bottle".

I liked that one.
 
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