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(The New York Times)   Arthur O. Sulzberger, New York Times publisher, dies. He is survived by his newspaper, but just barely   (nytimes.com) divider line 59
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2012-09-29 12:16:06 PM  
Dead tree papers are a relic of the past.
 
2012-09-29 12:18:38 PM  
About time.
 
2012-09-29 12:19:41 PM  
Am I the only one who read that as Lulzburger?
 
2012-09-29 12:20:40 PM  
i.imgur.com
 
2012-09-29 12:21:17 PM  

p51d007: Dead tree papers are a relic of the past.


But how will I line my birdcage?

And fires? How will I start my carbon-neutral, green, sustainable-wood burning stove? What do they expect me to do, use the Wall Street Journal?!?!?!?!?
 
2012-09-29 12:24:22 PM  
www.cardinalfang.net

RIP Irving C. Salzburg
 
2012-09-29 12:26:00 PM  
From the New York Times, eh? He's in a far, far better place.
 
2012-09-29 12:26:22 PM  
Its not for lack of trying. He inherited the greatest newspaper in North America and promptly ran it into the ground. In the 21st Century he ran the paper with a 20th century mindset.

The list of his stupid decisions could fill several Sunday editions of his newspaper. Remember the Discovery Times cable channel? Cost the newspaper tens of millions dollars. Once they divested themselves of the channel its buyers were able to sell it for more than the Times lost running it. Sulzberger was like a reverse Midas.
 
2012-09-29 12:28:47 PM  

Delawheredad: Its not for lack of trying. He inherited the greatest newspaper in North America and promptly ran it into the ground. In the 21st Century he ran the paper with a 20th century mindset.

The list of his stupid decisions could fill several Sunday editions of his newspaper. Remember the Discovery Times cable channel? Cost the newspaper tens of millions dollars. Once they divested themselves of the channel its buyers were able to sell it for more than the Times lost running it. Sulzberger was like a reverse Midas.


You got the wrong Arthur Sulzberger. This is his father, the guy who published the Pentagon Papers.
 
2012-09-29 12:31:39 PM  

p51d007: Dead tree papers are a relic of the past.


Thank God we now get all our news from TMZ, the Fox News Channel, Alex Jones, and Cracked.com!
 
2012-09-29 12:33:32 PM  
The fact is that the aloft New York Times has been adrift and unresponsive to the marketplace for years, and now it's paying the price for its anti-business agenda.
 
2012-09-29 12:35:56 PM  
Gray Lady down - gray lady down!!!

Swarm...Swarm
 
2012-09-29 12:36:18 PM  
Cornelius Dribble

I stand corrected. But nepotism can kill a business just as effectively as high taxation, over regulation, or any other force can. His was a brilliant man but he left his legacy in very bad hands.
 
2012-09-29 12:36:49 PM  
To honor his memory, the New York Times wil commission a Presidential race poll that overstates Democrats by 20%, rather than overstating them by the usual 10%.
 
2012-09-29 12:43:35 PM  

Delawheredad: Cornelius Dribble

I stand corrected. But nepotism can kill a business just as effectively as high taxation, over regulation, or any other force can. His was a brilliant man but he left his legacy in very bad hands.


He was in a pinch.
 
2012-09-29 12:44:23 PM  
FTFA: " At Mr. Sulzberger's death, The Times was being run by a fourth generation of his family, a rarity in an age when the management of most American newspapers is determined by distant corporate boards. A family trust, unaffected by his death, guarantees continued control by Adolph Ochs's descendants.

It was no coincidence, Mr. Sulzberger believed, that some of the country's finest newspapers were family-owned. "My conclusion is simple," he once said with characteristic humor. "Nepotism works." "

So, in other words, multi-generational trust-fund babies born into aristocracy with silver spoons in their mouths who get to use their un-earned, tax-free wealth to berate, influence and govern the rest of us for our own good?

Didn't we fight a revolution to get away from these clowns?
 
2012-09-29 12:44:37 PM  

tomWright: p51d007: Dead tree papers are a relic of the past.

But how will I line my birdcage?

And fires? How will I start my carbon-neutral, green, sustainable-wood burning stove? What do they expect me to do, use the Wall Street Journal?!?!?!?!?


Actually, I've been wondering specifically what glassblowers are going to do in the future.
 
2012-09-29 12:45:07 PM  

p51d007: Dead tree papers are a relic of the past.


THIS.

I don't understand why, in this day and age, we still cling to this antiquated medium. We should just go 100% digital.

•More current - literally up to the minute.
•Less waste - in terms of manufacturing, packaging, and distribution.
•More environmentally friendly.
•Less overall cost.
•More accessible and mobile.

It's amusing to read a story on my AP app in the evening to find the exact same story (word for word) in the newspaper the the next morning (6-10 hours later).
 
2012-09-29 12:45:23 PM  
Huh? I thought that their paid content was working well. I am certainly willing to pay for access to the Times. I still want to read genuine journalism, which is in very short supply anymore.
 
2012-09-29 12:47:46 PM  
I love his quote in the article, "Nepotism works." That true only if your descendent's aren't idiots!

Successive generations of dynasties tend to get dumber over time.

Example: The Kennedy Clan from self made brilliant men to trust fund killing, drug addicted also rans.
Example: The Hearst's From empire builders to coasting lazy grandchildren in three generations.
Example: The Bush's From Prescott to W in three generations.

It doesn't matter where the family resides on the political spectrum, nepotism ends up killing familial originality and intelligence.
So Nepotism works ... up to a point.
 
2012-09-29 12:49:09 PM  

tomWright: Didn't we fight a revolution to get away from these clowns?


If I've learned anything from the FARK butthurt of the past 2 or 3 years, it's OK to participate in a multi-generation attempt to use money earned by a big corporation to influence political outcomes if and only if your surname is Kennedy or Sulzberger.
 
2012-09-29 12:49:47 PM  
"I think that paper and ink are here to stay for the kind of newspapers we print," he said in a post-retirement interview. "There's no shortage of news in this world. If you want news, you can go to cyberspace and grab out all this junk. But I don't think most people are competent to become editors, or have the time or the interest."

"You're not buying news when you buy The New York Times," Mr. Sulzberger said. "You're buying judgment."


There are none so blind...
 
2012-09-29 12:53:04 PM  
Considering the shiat I had to go through to cancel my NY Times subscription, I'm glad he's dead and, unfortunately, I guess I hope his paper follows him soon.

I enjoyed reading the Times and being able to see digital content from last century. But when you can't cancel your subscription from their website, when you have to call a telephone number to cancel and their operators are rude and don't want to help you, then fark the Times.

I posted this in a thread about whining New York Times columnists:

TheShavingofOccam123
I like to take a paper punch and poke a mouth hole in their little by-line portraits. Then I roll up a little paper penis and face fark them with it while CNN blares in the background.

01 Jun 2012 12:36 AM
 
2012-09-29 12:58:02 PM  
Mouser

"I think that paper and ink are here to stay for the kind of newspapers we print," he said in a post-retirement interview. "There's no shortage of news in this world. If you want news, you can go to cyberspace and grab out all this junk. But I don't think most people are competent to become editors, or have the time or the interest."

"You're not buying news when you buy The New York Times," Mr. Sulzberger said. "You're buying judgment."

There are none so blind...

And you can judge his own ability to accurately judge when you consider that he thought his incompetent son would make a good replacement for himself. Why is this the most trusted newspaper in America anyway?
 
2012-09-29 01:00:34 PM  
Yeah things have changed a lot. Even as recently as the 1990s, when the MSM threw a narrative out there, there was no way to vet it. Today, as soon as a new MSM narrative is thrown out there I can go to several sources for more info. It is amazing how often this "news" is just one person's opinion or a completely slanted talking point. There was no way of knowing that in the past.
 
2012-09-29 01:03:15 PM  

smitty04: Yeah things have changed a lot. Even as recently as the 1990s, when the MSM threw a narrative out there, there was no way to vet it. Today, as soon as a new MSM narrative is thrown out there I can go to several sources for more info. It is amazing how often this "news" is just one person's opinion or a completely slanted talking point. There was no way of knowing that in the past.


And yet people are more misinformed than ever....
 
2012-09-29 01:03:39 PM  

The Face Of Oblivion: FARK butthurt


fc05.deviantart.net
 
2012-09-29 01:03:47 PM  
LawrencePerson


LIBS!!!!

/isn't fun to watch people painfully contort almost any news item into a MSM=BAD!!! thread. Even if the "liberal rag" in question is a CIA mouthpiece. They sure "LIBBED" that whole Iraq war thing, didn't they Mr. Puddinhead???
 
2012-09-29 01:10:59 PM  

Delawheredad: I love his quote in the article, "Nepotism works." That true only if your descendent's aren't idiots!

Successive generations of dynasties tend to get dumber over time.

Example: The Kennedy Clan from self made brilliant men to trust fund killing, drug addicted also rans.
Example: The Hearst's From empire builders to coasting lazy grandchildren in three generations.
Example: The Bush's From Prescott to W in three generations.

It doesn't matter where the family resides on the political spectrum, nepotism ends up killing familial originality and intelligence.
So Nepotism works ... up to a point.


Example: Charlemagne's heirs
Exmaple: Every ruler with the epithet "the Great"
 
2012-09-29 01:12:20 PM  

Delawheredad: Example: The Bush's From Prescott to W in three generations.


If Prescott Bush had become president instead of Nixon, the Republican party would likely still be the Grand Old Party, and both parties would probably be saner and more effective for it. His kid did the best with the crap situations that got handed to him, so at least he raised 'em right. Can't blame the guy for his grandkids being buffoons with good ideas and absolutely no idea how to execute them.
 
2012-09-29 01:22:00 PM  
I'm hoping to read this in the magazine section with lox and bagels Sunday morning.

/only paper I still have delivered... Sundays only
 
2012-09-29 01:33:35 PM  

Huggermugger: Huh? I thought that their paid content was working well. I am certainly willing to pay for access to the Times. I still want to read genuine journalism, which is in very short supply anymore.


It its. They're much healthier than most papers these days, both in their print department and their online stuff. Ignore the haters, they might be smarter if they bothered to read a newspaper on occasion.

I don't know what I'd do without full access to NYT app (and their webpage). I get the Washington Post in print, and it's nice to page through, but it really is ridiculous how much better the actual reporting in the New York Times is, even in comparison to another of the top three or four papers in the US.

I just miss getting it free in print every day while at school. College students out there, take advantage of the Collegiate Readership Program thing.
 
2012-09-29 01:34:17 PM  
Good riddance. The NYT is no longer a 'paper of record' . It is just a phamplet for how wonderful the far left is.
 
2012-09-29 01:47:09 PM  
tomWright So, in other words, multi-generational trust-fund babies born into aristocracy with silver spoons in their mouths who get to use their un-earned, tax-free wealth to berate, influence and govern the rest of us for our own good?  slaughter the golden calf

It's an economics term I can't recall that points out something like only 3% of the companies traded on the NYSE in 1792 were still around in 1892-far less in 1992 after the Panic Of '98 & the Great Depression, probably a bunch of ether addicts, the lot of them
 
2012-09-29 01:48:13 PM  

darkedgefan: Good riddance. The NYT is no longer a 'paper of record' . It is just a phamplet for how wonderful the far left is.


Does having your worldview so far out of alignment with reality hurt? I'm just curious.
 
2012-09-29 01:56:44 PM  

Cornelius Dribble: p51d007: Dead tree papers are a relic of the past.

Thank God we now get all our news from TMZ, the Fox News Channel, Alex Jones, and Cracked.com!


And thank you. THIS.

"Oh what we been, and what we come to." - Riddley Walker
 
2012-09-29 01:59:35 PM  

cptjeff: darkedgefan: Good riddance. The NYT is no longer a 'paper of record' . It is just a phamplet for how wonderful the far left is.

Does having your worldview so far out of alignment with reality hurt? I'm just curious.


3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-09-29 02:03:44 PM  
I have a couple of reporter friends. One of them works for the local paper and he is lucky to still have his job- they've downsized twice in the past couple of years. I feel bad because he is always asking why we don't have a subscription- for a while my boyfriend even ordered the weekend only subscription. But we just don't read it! The quality of news is pretty on par with what I can access for free on the internet and it is such a waste of paper...

The NYT is doing great in comparison to the paper here in town. My father subscribes to the online edition and will send me links from time to time that he thinks that I will enjoy. The paper in town wishes people would pay for online access... Honestly, it's a little annoying how much my friend hassles us about subscribing to the paper. I don't hassle him to come support my business, and we're pretty young- he knew what kind of a business he was getting into.
 
2012-09-29 02:08:50 PM  

smitty04: cptjeff: darkedgefan: Good riddance. The NYT is no longer a 'paper of record' . It is just a phamplet for how wonderful the far left is.

Does having your worldview so far out of alignment with reality hurt? I'm just curious.

[3.bp.blogspot.com image 850x615]


And that relates to how accurate their reporting is how?
 
2012-09-29 02:11:20 PM  

cptjeff: smitty04: cptjeff: darkedgefan: Good riddance. The NYT is no longer a 'paper of record' . It is just a phamplet for how wonderful the far left is.

Does having your worldview so far out of alignment with reality hurt? I'm just curious.

[3.bp.blogspot.com image 850x615]

And that relates to how accurate their reporting is how?


I agree. It really doesn't defend the accuracy of their reporting, but does handily show how print media is becoming less and less relevant in the digital age.
 
2012-09-29 02:15:08 PM  

Espertron: cptjeff: smitty04: cptjeff: darkedgefan: Good riddance. The NYT is no longer a 'paper of record' . It is just a phamplet for how wonderful the far left is.

Does having your worldview so far out of alignment with reality hurt? I'm just curious.

[3.bp.blogspot.com image 850x615]

And that relates to how accurate their reporting is how?

I agree. It really doesn't defend the accuracy of their reporting, but does handily show how print media is becoming less and less relevant in the digital age.


Was anyone ever questioning that print subscriptions were declining?
 
2012-09-29 02:34:07 PM  

cptjeff: Espertron: cptjeff: smitty04: cptjeff: darkedgefan: Good riddance. The NYT is no longer a 'paper of record' . It is just a phamplet for how wonderful the far left is.

Does having your worldview so far out of alignment with reality hurt? I'm just curious.

[3.bp.blogspot.com image 850x615]

And that relates to how accurate their reporting is how?

I agree. It really doesn't defend the accuracy of their reporting, but does handily show how print media is becoming less and less relevant in the digital age.

Was anyone ever questioning that print subscriptions were declining?


The New York Times is losing pages, losing ad revenue, losing money, but the family controls the shares. There's nothing anybody can do about it. They're looking for a new CEO at the New York Times, but it doesn't matter 'cause whoever they hire the paper is still gonna be run by Arthur Sulzberger Jr., Little Pinch. So the CEO is a position that they have to have to satisfy Wall Street investors, but the CEO really doesn't have any power there. The Sulzberger family does. And the current scion running the place is running it into the ground. Now, for that to happen, the New York Times has to be driving away its own readers, 'cause they only appeal to the hard-core fringe, Upper West Side left.
 
2012-09-29 02:52:48 PM  

foxyshadis: Delawheredad: Example: The Bush's From Prescott to W in three generations.

If Prescott Bush had become president instead of Nixon, the Republican party would likely still be the Grand Old Party, and both parties would probably be saner and more effective for it. His kid did the best with the crap situations that got handed to him, so at least he raised 'em right. Can't blame the guy for his grandkids being buffoons with good ideas and absolutely no idea how to execute them.


Prescott Bush was pure evil. His descendants less so each generation. Entering mere buffoonery about now.

/I've spoken to GHW Bush once back on the Reagan years. Terrible man.
 
2012-09-29 02:54:35 PM  

smitty04: The New York Times is losing pages, losing ad revenue, losing money, but the family controls the shares. There's nothing anybody can do about it. They're looking for a new CEO at the New York Times, but it doesn't matter 'cause whoever they hire the paper is still gonna be run by Arthur Sulzberger Jr., Little Pinch. So the CEO is a position that they have to have to satisfy Wall Street investors, but the CEO really doesn't have any power there. The Sulzberger family does. And the current scion running the place is running it into the ground. Now, for that to happen, the New York Times has to be driving away its own readers, 'cause they only appeal to the hard-core fringe, Upper West Side left.


i0.kym-cdn.com
 
2012-09-29 02:54:59 PM  

cptjeff: darkedgefan: Good riddance. The NYT is no longer a 'paper of record' . It is just a phamplet for how wonderful the far left is.

Does having your worldview so far out of alignment with reality hurt? I'm just curious.


So reality equals leftist thinking, then? Thanks for the update. Hard to keep up with these things.
 
2012-09-29 02:58:25 PM  

arghyematey: I have a couple of reporter friends. One of them works for the local paper and he is lucky to still have his job- they've downsized twice in the past couple of years. I feel bad because he is always asking why we don't have a subscription- for a while my boyfriend even ordered the weekend only subscription. But we just don't read it! The quality of news is pretty on par with what I can access for free on the internet and it is such a waste of paper...

The NYT is doing great in comparison to the paper here in town. My father subscribes to the online edition and will send me links from time to time that he thinks that I will enjoy. The paper in town wishes people would pay for online access... Honestly, it's a little annoying how much my friend hassles us about subscribing to the paper. I don't hassle him to come support my business, and we're pretty young- he knew what kind of a business he was getting into.


"he knew what kind of a business he was getting into."

They make money reporting how crappy it is for us. Let them feel reality's sting. Welcome to our world.
 
2012-09-29 03:21:00 PM  

EVERYBODY PANIC: cptjeff: darkedgefan: Good riddance. The NYT is no longer a 'paper of record' . It is just a phamplet for how wonderful the far left is.

Does having your worldview so far out of alignment with reality hurt? I'm just curious.

So reality equals leftist thinking, then? Thanks for the update. Hard to keep up with these things.


Reality has a well known liberal bias.

Seriously, when you're so far out in right field that a fairly neutral presentation of fact looks like it was written by Che Guevara, you might have a problem. The NYT editorial page leans to a fairly corporate form of liberalism, but the news coverage is accurate and evenhanded, with lots of nuance and detail. The only legitimate complaint the right can make about the Times is that the writing isn't dumbed down to a 7th grade reading level like it is in most newspapers, so it's hard for many of them to read it.
 
2012-09-29 03:33:20 PM  

cptjeff: Seriously, when you're so far out in right field that a fairly neutral presentation of fact looks like it was written by Che Guevara, you might have a problem. The NYT editorial page leans to a fairly corporate form of liberalism, but the news coverage is accurate and evenhanded, with lots of nuance and detail. The only legitimate complaint the right can make about the Times is that the writing isn't dumbed down to a 7th grade reading level like it is in most newspapers, so it's hard for many of them to read it.


The Liberal media does not like Benjamin Netanyahu so they run with this photograph of his speech at the UN. More and more they will use photographs to show their bias.
commonamericanjournal.com
 
2012-09-29 03:50:35 PM  
The most glaring example of his liberal hypocrisy was the fact that he had a gun permit for concealed carry in NYCwhile maintaining an editorial policy that was anti-gun . He used his political influence to get it and campaigned against the little people having the same protection.
 
2012-09-29 03:52:05 PM  
Subby... FOR THE WIN!
 
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