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2012-09-29 12:40:57 PM
Anti-fur protesters are more fun. I once own3d a fur protester for wearing a leather jacket while she was protesting. Good times, good times...
 
2012-09-29 12:47:08 PM
I knew a vegan who wore his leather for the longest time. Of course, his reason for going veg was not that he loves animals, but hates vegetables that much.
 
2012-09-29 01:02:01 PM
Why bother mass producing artificial leather? Are cows suddenly in short supply?
 
2012-09-29 01:07:54 PM

Honest Bender: Why bother mass producing artificial leather? Are cows suddenly in short supply?


Exotics. Who wouldn't want a pair of California condor skinned boots
 
2012-09-29 01:08:02 PM

Honest Bender: Why bother mass producing artificial leather? Are cows suddenly in short supply?


If cows are in short supply we'll have a lot more problems then a lack of leather.
 
2012-09-29 01:09:12 PM

Honest Bender: Why bother mass producing artificial leather? Are cows suddenly in short supply?


Well, this would allow you to seamlessly cover with leather things that are larger than/shaped differently than cows.
 
2012-09-29 01:10:39 PM

drjekel_mrhyde: Honest Bender: Why bother mass producing artificial leather? Are cows suddenly in short supply?

Exotics. Who wouldn't want a pair of California condor skinned boots


and big brown seal eyes for hubcaps!
 
2012-09-29 01:11:16 PM

incendi: Honest Bender: Why bother mass producing artificial leather? Are cows suddenly in short supply?

Well, this would allow you to seamlessly cover with leather things that are larger than/shaped differently than cows.


*insert yomomma joke here*
 
2012-09-29 01:19:53 PM
Did you say artificial skin?

encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com
 
2012-09-29 01:31:11 PM
I find it more interesting and more valuable that scientists are working on methods to bioprint skin grafts on burn victims. Printing a pair of "leather" ass-less chaps isn't high priority compared to the medical applications of this technology. YMMV.
 
2012-09-29 01:43:51 PM

red5ish: I find it more interesting and more valuable that scientists are working on methods to bioprint skin grafts on burn victims. Printing a pair of "leather" ass-less chaps isn't high priority compared to the medical applications of this technology. YMMV.


FYI... All chaps are "ass-less".
 
2012-09-29 01:56:54 PM
How about human skin gloves?
 
2012-09-29 01:58:12 PM

The My Little Pony Killer: I knew a vegan who wore his leather for the longest time. Of course, his reason for going veg was not that he loves animals, but hates vegetables that much.


Hating vegetables is a very strange reason to go vegan.
 
2012-09-29 01:58:19 PM

BumpInTheNight: drjekel_mrhyde: Honest Bender: Why bother mass producing artificial leather? Are cows suddenly in short supply?

Exotics. Who wouldn't want a pair of California condor skinned boots

and big brown seal eyes for hubcaps!


In Canada we call them ice rats, makes it easier to club them.
 
2012-09-29 01:58:50 PM

incendi: Honest Bender: Why bother mass producing artificial leather? Are cows suddenly in short supply?

Well, this would allow you to seamlessly cover with leather things that are larger than/shaped differently than cows.


So, Americans.
 
2012-09-29 02:16:41 PM

Honest Bender: Why bother mass producing artificial leather? Are cows suddenly in short supply?


No, but if we offload leather production, think of how much cheaper gelatin will get.

/mmm Jello
 
2012-09-29 02:23:39 PM
Is this really going to be in any way cheaper or more efficient than using the coverings off of animals we already kill for hamburgers?
 
2012-09-29 02:30:11 PM

incendi: Honest Bender: Why bother mass producing artificial leather? Are cows suddenly in short supply?

Well, this would allow you to seamlessly cover with leather things that are larger than/shaped differently than cows.


This, and even in cow-sized hides you'd have more leather that is actually USABLE. :D

(Warning: Leatherworking geekery follows)

Leather generally gets graded based on hide quality--hides with less scars and brands of course get made into finer (and more expensive) leather, whilst other leathers get turned into cheaper leathers--and even with the better hides, there's bits of the hide that may not be usable for parts that will show due to scarring or brands or holes in the hide. (This actually gets a little more problematic if you're working in suedes or with brain-tanned leather because you have to not only pay attention to flaws in the hide itself but on which way the hide stretches at different points.)

With lab-grown leather, not only would you have a uniform quality, but can go bigger--or smaller--than the size of an average cow and might even be able to tweak the LabLeather skin for different applications (if you're going for suede, or oiled top-grain leather, or veg-tan leather for tooling, or latigo for things like moccasin soles and straps--you could potentially even have a uniform weight/thickness without skiving, which would be pretty darn neat :D

Plus you can point to vegans and note that Bessie did not sacrifice her life for it :D

/why yes, I do engage in leatherworking for fun
//maybe someday for profit...but for now, for fun. :D
 
2012-09-29 02:32:30 PM
And as others have noted--LabLeather actually uses a process that has been in clinical trials and would be useful for another, lifesaving application--cultured skin for people with severe burns. (The one thing that would be missing is hair and maybe sweat glands, but that really isn't much different than the case now; this is pretty much for the purpose of "keeping some integument on the person so they don't die from loss of bodily fluids and/or massive bacterial infections".
 
2012-09-29 02:33:24 PM

Honest Bender: Why bother mass producing artificial leather? Are cows suddenly in short supply?


RTFA. It requires less water, less energy, and less land. It would also reduce greenhouse gas emissions. Taking all that into account, once the technology matures it will end up being a hell of a lot cheaper.
 
2012-09-29 02:33:26 PM

dholway: The My Little Pony Killer: I knew a vegan who wore his leather for the longest time. Of course, his reason for going veg was not that he loves animals, but hates vegetables that much.

Hating vegetables is a very strange reason to go vegan.


...it's a joke.

/he doesn't hate the taste.
 
2012-09-29 02:34:33 PM
Sounds expensive. Prohibitively expensive.
 
2012-09-29 02:47:53 PM
Would artificial tusks put elephant poachers out of business? Is it cannibalism if it's artificial celebrity beef?
 
2012-09-29 02:50:03 PM

phaseolus: Sounds expensive. Prohibitively expensive.


I'm sure it's expensive now, but once it's done on an industrial scale? Artificial leather should be about as expensive as a very large yoghurt.

/still have to pay through the nose to turn it into a jacket htough
 
2012-09-29 02:54:18 PM

The My Little Pony Killer: I knew a vegan who wore his leather for the longest time. Of course, his reason for going veg was not that he loves animals, but hates vegetables that much.


I like his style.

I have vegan/veggie friends who have leather/fur that was bought before they turned vegan/veggie or inherited. They have been called out on it, and will just answer "the animal is already dead, and it would be more of an insult if I throw this away then if I use it for as long as I can". With a dead-on stare. It's great.

IIRC, my one friend just finally tossed a pair of leather Docs that she had finally wore through to the sole. She thought about giving them away, but they were too worn and Goodwill would have probably tossed them anyway. So she made the best of it.

/shrug
//realize there are hypocrites out there, though, and they do suck
///thankfully all my vegan/veggie friends are cool people who don't judge me *or* expect the world to revolve around them either, as long as there's a couple of things on the menu they can eat they're cool
////I choose my friends well
 
2012-09-29 03:02:02 PM

TXEric: red5ish: I find it more interesting and more valuable that scientists are working on methods to bioprint skin grafts on burn victims. Printing a pair of "leather" ass-less chaps isn't high priority compared to the medical applications of this technology. YMMV.

FYI... All chaps are "ass-less".


Of course they are; the example was chosen to accentuate the frivolity of using this technology to make leather (a readily available material). The "ass-less" was for style.
 
2012-09-29 03:05:17 PM
Give me my bacon printer naow!!
 
2012-09-29 03:10:38 PM

TXEric: red5ish: I find it more interesting and more valuable that scientists are working on methods to bioprint skin grafts on burn victims. Printing a pair of "leather" ass-less chaps isn't high priority compared to the medical applications of this technology. YMMV.

FYI... All chaps are "ass-less".


Thanks for clarifying this. I always suspected it.
 
2012-09-29 03:11:41 PM

dholway: How about human skin gloves?


That is what your mother is for.


/ I keed I keed
 
2012-09-29 03:33:57 PM
it wont have to rub the lotion on its skin?
 
2012-09-29 03:35:37 PM
imageshack.us
 
2012-09-29 03:41:40 PM
fake leather to jews is like fake diamonds is to vegans. omg i don't care about their silly stuff they will say about each other. but in their next breath insist real diamonds or fake leather is so farking important so you must buy the product we are pitching.
 
2012-09-29 03:49:57 PM
Rich Corinthian leather?

Vinyl.
 
2012-09-29 04:27:59 PM
If they want to do something useful, find a way to clone elephant ivory. And rhino tusks before they're both hunted into extinction.
 
2012-09-29 04:35:26 PM

dholway: How about human skin gloves?


When you take them off... how do you know when to quit?
 
2012-09-29 04:53:15 PM

TXEric: red5ish: I find it more interesting and more valuable that scientists are working on methods to bioprint skin grafts on burn victims. Printing a pair of "leather" ass-less chaps isn't high priority compared to the medical applications of this technology. YMMV.

FYI... All chaps are "ass-less".


Technically.

www.ratemyfunnypictures.com
 
2012-09-29 05:18:33 PM
I'll take my vegan skin shiat kickers in a 10 1/2 please.
 
2012-09-29 06:04:54 PM
When they start bioprinting dime beeatches, there'll be some huffy bloggers over at Jezebel.
 
2012-09-29 06:32:49 PM
Sounds like it will never be cheap enough for common consumers
 
2012-09-29 06:34:23 PM

indarwinsshadow: If they want to do something useful, find a way to clone elephant ivory. And rhino tusks before they're both hunted into extinction.


Seeing as rhino horns are basically keratin (the same material as in skin), this actually COULD lead to synthesizing rhino horns (rhinos don't really have tusks--they're more kin to horses than elephants, and much like horses have teensy canines if they have them at all).

Elephant tusks are a bit more difficult, but we're actually coming fairly far with the human equivalent (scientists HAVE figured out how to regrow human teeth)--you'd basically need elephant stem cells (either embryonic or rejuvenated adult stem cells) that were triggered to form elephant tusks, but within ten or fifteen years it should be possible.

(Let's hope that rhinos and elephants can last that long outside zoos, though. Farking HATE poachers--not just on account of "killing endangered species for ornaments", but it just seems farking WASTEFUL to me to kill an animal just for one part. I've no problem with deer or cow leather or buffalo leather because most of the critter gets used, I'm even ok with people who hunt deer for trophies as long as they donate the meat to friends or to somewhere that gives game meat to the homeless, but just hunting an animal without using all you can of it just seems to be disrespectful to the animal. Maybe I'm just old-fashioned like that...and unfortunately, elephants and rhinos are the top two species that are pretty much killed just for one body part to the point of becoming endangered. :P)
 
2012-09-29 07:15:46 PM
You know how you can buy fake diamonds, that are almost like the real thing?
Try proposing to the love of your life with one of those and see how far it gets you.

Me, I'll take blood diamonds and real leather any day, tyvm.
 
2012-09-29 07:36:24 PM

dholway: The My Little Pony Killer: I knew a vegan who wore his leather for the longest time. Of course, his reason for going veg was not that he loves animals, but hates vegetables that much.

Hating vegetables is a very strange reason to go vegan.


3.bp.blogspot.com

How about super powers?
 
2012-09-29 09:40:32 PM

FireNexus: Honest Bender: Why bother mass producing artificial leather? Are cows suddenly in short supply?

RTFA. It requires less water, less energy, and less land. It would also reduce greenhouse gas emissions. Taking all that into account, once the technology matures it will end up being a hell of a lot cheaper.


Sooooo, by gearing up a whole new industrial process, in addition to the one thats already in place, you think thats those combined industries are going to be using LESS water, energy and land?
I suppose if you could convince all the folks eating beef now to stop, so fewer cattle were slaughtered, so those same cows could eat more grass, drink more wate.......oh...no...wait....thats not right.
Or how about we just slaughter the cattle, but don't use the hides. Yeah, we'll just strip their skins off and throw 'em away.
Couple of questions about the whole artificial skin thing.......are there any toxic substances used to produce the hardware used to grow this skins? How about any toxic byproducts to manufacture the growth solutions that they require?
To think that any of that is true is at best terribly disingenous, and at the worst blindly ignorant.

Mind you, I'm not at all averse to the notion of artificially grown leather. Just don't paint a pair of glasses pink, spin me around in circles and give me a shove, telling me everything is rosier in that direction.
 
2012-09-29 10:20:07 PM
Someone might avoid eating animal products for a reason completely unrelated to animal rights, but that is too hard for the Fark anti-vegan brigade to understand.
 
2012-09-29 10:41:26 PM

Great Porn Dragon: unfortunately, elephants and rhinos are the top two species that are pretty much killed just for one body part to the point of becoming endangered. :P)


shark fin soup is another example
 
2012-09-29 11:06:59 PM
what do the clothes that you wear have to do with the food that you eat?

Veganism is a form of diet, not a form of fashion...
 
2012-09-30 12:18:24 AM

StreetlightInTheGhetto: The My Little Pony Killer: I knew a vegan who wore his leather for the longest time. Of course, his reason for going veg was not that he loves animals, but hates vegetables that much.

I like his style.

I have vegan/veggie friends who have leather/fur that was bought before they turned vegan/veggie or inherited. They have been called out on it, and will just answer "the animal is already dead, and it would be more of an insult if I throw this away then if I use it for as long as I can". With a dead-on stare. It's great.

IIRC, my one friend just finally tossed a pair of leather Docs that she had finally wore through to the sole. She thought about giving them away, but they were too worn and Goodwill would have probably tossed them anyway. So she made the best of it.

/shrug
//realize there are hypocrites out there, though, and they do suck
///thankfully all my vegan/veggie friends are cool people who don't judge me *or* expect the world to revolve around them either, as long as there's a couple of things on the menu they can eat they're cool
////I choose my friends well


On the one hand, this is the same logic I use when not caring who the original manufacturer of Goodwill clothes I buy is. The manufacturer isn't getting my money, Goodwill is (and I like their ideas).

However, I'm not into diamonds because of the general crappiness about how some of them are mined. And when someone sees a diamond on you they aren't gonna know if it is "fake" and not mined- they are just going to see that diamonds are still in, valuable, and desired. You're buying in on the trend and idea that everyone must have one so in a way you are supporting the industry.

/more importantly "fake" diamonds and this lab produced leather are incredibly useful since diamonds have all kinds of uses and growing skin is great for anyone with burns or other injuries...
 
2012-09-30 12:26:51 AM

Bhags: FireNexus: Honest Bender: Why bother mass producing artificial leather? Are cows suddenly in short supply?

RTFA. It requires less water, less energy, and less land. It would also reduce greenhouse gas emissions. Taking all that into account, once the technology matures it will end up being a hell of a lot cheaper.

Sooooo, by gearing up a whole new industrial process, in addition to the one thats already in place, you think thats those combined industries are going to be using LESS water, energy and land?


That's what I was just thinking... The resources are a sunken cost. We're already raising the animals for food. The leather is a bonus. His point may have been valid if we are raising cattle just for their leather. Which, I don't know, maybe we are. I'm not exactly a leather expert...
 
2012-09-30 12:42:43 AM

Honest Bender: Bhags: FireNexus: Honest Bender: Why bother mass producing artificial leather? Are cows suddenly in short supply?

RTFA. It requires less water, less energy, and less land. It would also reduce greenhouse gas emissions. Taking all that into account, once the technology matures it will end up being a hell of a lot cheaper.

Sooooo, by gearing up a whole new industrial process, in addition to the one thats already in place, you think thats those combined industries are going to be using LESS water, energy and land?

That's what I was just thinking... The resources are a sunken cost. We're already raising the animals for food. The leather is a bonus. His point may have been valid if we are raising cattle just for their leather. Which, I don't know, maybe we are. I'm not exactly a leather expert...


Oh, we're not. We're raising cows to make steaks and hamburgers. Some of the exotic stuff is killed just for its leather, but the shearling in your slippers comes from the same sheep you just ate in your Gyro, and your shoes came from that cow that gave its life to make a couple of big macs. Your pork rinds come from the skin of the... Yeah, never mind that one.

Now, if they can make this efficient enough, it'll drive down the price of top quality leather, which will drive down leather prices in general, and make all leather cheaper, and that's a good thing. Nice, well made dress shoes get cheaper, leather jackets get cheaper, you'll be able to get leather furniture that's not bonded crap for something less than the price of a decent car. That wouldn't be a horrible side effect, but it's not like we're gonna stop killing cows- this will still be an entirely new process added onto the same level of beef production we've always had. Yeah, there's absolutly no chance this will decrease the use of water, energy, or land, by the slightest amount.
 
2012-09-30 12:50:03 AM
I'm vegan, I wear leather. Why? I'm a dietary vegan alone. I don't care about the fact I'm wearing animal skins. I just eat only plants because it's really healthy for me. That and that leather is accumulated as a byproduct of a mainly a cow that has been grown for meat, milk, and/or breeding stock. People don't grow cows mainly just for leather.
 
2012-09-30 01:50:35 AM

dholway: The My Little Pony Killer: I knew a vegan who wore his leather for the longest time. Of course, his reason for going veg was not that he loves animals, but hates vegetables that much.

Hating vegetables is a very strange reason to go vegan.


Well, he kills them and eats them, yes?

/made me laugh anyway.
 
2012-09-30 02:00:13 AM

Bhags: FireNexus: Honest Bender: Why bother mass producing artificial leather? Are cows suddenly in short supply?

RTFA. It requires less water, less energy, and less land. It would also reduce greenhouse gas emissions. Taking all that into account, once the technology matures it will end up being a hell of a lot cheaper.

Sooooo, by gearing up a whole new industrial process, in addition to the one thats already in place, you think thats those combined industries are going to be using LESS water, energy and land?
I suppose if you could convince all the folks eating beef now to stop, so fewer cattle were slaughtered, so those same cows could eat more grass, drink more wate.......oh...no...wait....thats not right.
Or how about we just slaughter the cattle, but don't use the hides. Yeah, we'll just strip their skins off and throw 'em away.
Couple of questions about the whole artificial skin thing.......are there any toxic substances used to produce the hardware used to grow this skins? How about any toxic byproducts to manufacture the growth solutions that they require?
To think that any of that is true is at best terribly disingenous, and at the worst blindly ignorant.

Mind you, I'm not at all averse to the notion of artificially grown leather. Just don't paint a pair of glasses pink, spin me around in circles and give me a shove, telling me everything is rosier in that direction.


Probably not as bad as the super-bugs from constantly dosing cattle with antibiotics (due to their strict grain diet, which gives them constant ulcers), the toxic substances used to process the current hides into leather, the toxic by products and agents found in the rendering plant where the animal is slaughtered (you have to clean the area somehow) and the by products of the animal for 2 years (that's a lot of poop).

The new replicated leather/meat won't be perfect, but since we get to avoid the middle man of the actual animal and all effort that goes into growing it before you have to slaughter it, it should be much better in the long run if we do it right.

/if we do it right...
 
2012-09-30 02:04:17 AM

cuzsis: Bhags: FireNexus: Honest Bender: Why bother mass producing artificial leather? Are cows suddenly in short supply?

RTFA. It requires less water, less energy, and less land. It would also reduce greenhouse gas emissions. Taking all that into account, once the technology matures it will end up being a hell of a lot cheaper.

Sooooo, by gearing up a whole new industrial process, in addition to the one thats already in place, you think thats those combined industries are going to be using LESS water, energy and land?
I suppose if you could convince all the folks eating beef now to stop, so fewer cattle were slaughtered, so those same cows could eat more grass, drink more wate.......oh...no...wait....thats not right.
Or how about we just slaughter the cattle, but don't use the hides. Yeah, we'll just strip their skins off and throw 'em away.
Couple of questions about the whole artificial skin thing.......are there any toxic substances used to produce the hardware used to grow this skins? How about any toxic byproducts to manufacture the growth solutions that they require?
To think that any of that is true is at best terribly disingenous, and at the worst blindly ignorant.

Mind you, I'm not at all averse to the notion of artificially grown leather. Just don't paint a pair of glasses pink, spin me around in circles and give me a shove, telling me everything is rosier in that direction.

Probably not as bad as the super-bugs from constantly dosing cattle with antibiotics (due to their strict grain diet, which gives them constant ulcers), the toxic substances used to process the current hides into leather, the toxic by products and agents found in the rendering plant where the animal is slaughtered (you have to clean the area somehow) and the by products of the animal for 2 years (that's a lot of poop).

The new replicated leather/meat won't be perfect, but since we get to avoid the middle man of the actual animal and all effort that goes into growing it before you have ...


Suppose I should've read more of TFA.

"Because the hides do not have hair or tough outer skin on them, they go through an abbreviated tanning process that decreases the amount of toxic chemicals needed."
 
2012-09-30 02:06:03 AM

spidermilk: However, I'm not into diamonds because of the general crappiness about how some of them are mined. And when someone sees a diamond on you they aren't gonna know if it is "fake" and not mined- they are just going to see that diamonds are still in, valuable, and desired. You're buying in on the trend and idea that everyone must have one so in a way you are supporting the industry.


Funny story, one week after going on a blood diamond rant to a BF at the time he gave me a diamond. And was from South Africa to boot. That was a fun time in my life.

I get the 'supporting the trend' argument, but re: my friends, it's hard to argue that with a really f--king beat up pair of Docs.
 
2012-09-30 02:10:00 AM

WhippingBoy: You know how you can buy fake diamonds, that are almost like the real thing?
Try proposing to the love of your life with one of those and see how far it gets you.

Me, I'll take blood diamonds and real leather any day, tyvm.


Man, I don't know about the girls you're into, but I was pissed when I was proposed to with what was probably more than likely a blood diamond.

I'm not really the type to give a shiat about what the ladies at work / in my family think, though.

/there's more backstory to that but despite the backstory the fact that he proposed with a diamond - knowing my feelings on that - was the straw that broke the camel's back
//in the end, didn't matter, he still got to stay in the country due to this semi obscure (to his lawyers) 'keeping a family together' clause since his brother, sister, and mother were US citizens, but that's a longer story that I'm too drunk to type
 
2012-09-30 06:36:17 AM

Honest Bender: Bhags: FireNexus: Honest Bender: Why bother mass producing artificial leather? Are cows suddenly in short supply?

RTFA. It requires less water, less energy, and less land. It would also reduce greenhouse gas emissions. Taking all that into account, once the technology matures it will end up being a hell of a lot cheaper.

Sooooo, by gearing up a whole new industrial process, in addition to the one thats already in place, you think thats those combined industries are going to be using LESS water, energy and land?

That's what I was just thinking... The resources are a sunken cost. We're already raising the animals for food. The leather is a bonus. His point may have been valid if we are raising cattle just for their leather. Which, I don't know, maybe we are. I'm not exactly a leather expert...


The article is suggesting they print both meat and leather, but the burger (needing FDA approval and a proper reception by the pink-slime fearing public) will take years longer to reach market than the artificial hide.
If all goes to plan then, yes, the leather will be harder to come by as the meat market changes.

I think it comes down to the costs.
Expensive US raised beef isn't a problem so much as cheap foreign cows grown on cleared land with no environmental oversight.
Cheaper printed beef would save the environment by creating unemployment in south america, but that also means doing away with cheap leather.
Hence the printed hide market.

/Normally I'd say it depends on public acceptance.
/but lets be fair, if the burger is cheap enough then the fast food joints will advertise the shiat out of it.
 
2012-09-30 08:44:29 AM
Ignoring that some vegans are into more eating/taste/health preference than concern for animals....


Actually it can still make sense for a vegan to use such products in certain circumstances. More harms will come to animals from producing a new "cruelty free" coat than picking up an old leather one from a garage sale.
 
2012-09-30 12:18:31 PM
Bhags:

Sooooo, by gearing up a whole new industrial process, in addition to the one thats already in place, you think thats those combined industries are going to be using LESS water, energy and land?
I suppose if you could convince all the folks eating beef now to stop, so fewer cattle were slaughtered, so those same cows could eat more grass, drink more wate.......oh...no...wait....thats not right..



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Because grown male cows (called OXEN) could never be used to drive a plow, or haul loads of crops, or be the traditional standby to grow food instead of CORPORATE TRACTORS POWERED BY THE DIRTY OIL WE HAUL UP OUT OF THE EARTH'S SURFACE.

Yeah. No possible way that could affect the environment.


Link
 
2012-09-30 12:33:06 PM
I'm a vegetarian on the basis of not wanting to eat anything I don't kill myself. I try to only wear second-hand leather or synthetic leather because I'm not a fan of wearing animal products if I can help it. And I'll be the first to admit I'm not 100% consistent in my behavior, try as I might to be so.

With that said, I'm all for vat-grown meat and artificially-produced leather. Creating animal products that don't require a living, conscious creature that can feel pain doesn't bother me one bit, and there are so many positive externalities (great reduction in resources used to produce meat, fewer methane emissions, easier to produce food close to its end user, improved consistency, healthier meat, and so forth) that I think we should all be excited!
 
2012-09-30 01:18:40 PM

Valarius: Bhags:

Sooooo, by gearing up a whole new industrial process, in addition to the one thats already in place, you think thats those combined industries are going to be using LESS water, energy and land?
I suppose if you could convince all the folks eating beef now to stop, so fewer cattle were slaughtered, so those same cows could eat more grass, drink more wate.......oh...no...wait....thats not right..


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Because grown male cows (called OXEN) could never be used to drive a plow, or haul loads of crops, or be the traditional standby to grow food instead of CORPORATE TRACTORS POWERED BY THE DIRTY OIL WE HAUL UP OUT OF THE EARTH'S SURFACE.

Yeah. No possible way that could affect the environment.


Link


Plus actually putting male cattle to work as oxen would reduce the number of male cattle culled in dairy. :D (Generally cows get artificial insemination anymore from the semen of a prize bull, and unless a particular bull calf has some really good characteristics it typically gets sold for stew meat. And I swear in those pics you showed at least two of those Working Moos looked like they were from Jersey stock--maybe Brown Swiss, but more Jersey-ish...)
 
2012-09-30 04:45:14 PM
FTFA: "initially at least, many consumers might not want to eat a modern technological marvel."

Really?

www.bcendon.com
 
2012-09-30 04:47:03 PM

phaseolus: Sounds expensive. Prohibitively expensive.


Most cutting-edge technologies are. My first hard drive cost $1500 for 5 MB.
 
2012-09-30 04:59:23 PM

wedun: what do the clothes that you wear have to do with the food that you eat?

Veganism is a form of diet, not a form of fashion...


People have different reasons for going vegan, but a prevailing one is concern over animal welfare. While you're free to argue the merits of it all you want, the takeaway is that many vegans -- probably most -- also avoid other animal products, such as leather and fur. I'd think this was obvious.
 
2012-09-30 05:03:16 PM

StreetlightInTheGhetto: spidermilk: However, I'm not into diamonds because of the general crappiness about how some of them are mined. And when someone sees a diamond on you they aren't gonna know if it is "fake" and not mined- they are just going to see that diamonds are still in, valuable, and desired. You're buying in on the trend and idea that everyone must have one so in a way you are supporting the industry.

Funny story, one week after going on a blood diamond rant to a BF at the time he gave me a diamond. And was from South Africa to boot. That was a fun time in my life.

I get the 'supporting the trend' argument, but re: my friends, it's hard to argue that with a really f--king beat up pair of Docs.


Was walking through a mall once, when some barker outside a jewelry store asked if I'd like to check out some diamonds. I asked if they were synthetic. She snorted derisively, as if I'd just insulted her, and assured me they were 'real'. I told her in that case, I wasn't interested. Schooling day for her.
 
2012-09-30 05:06:55 PM

electronicmaji: Sounds like it will never be cheap enough for common consumers


People who use the word "never" rarely use it appropriately. "Never" is a very long time. And any student of history can tell you that there is pretty much nothing in history it applies to, beyond things that are irrevocably lost.

As I said above, my first hard drive was $1500 for 5 MB -- impossibly costly by today's standards. At the time it came out, it was inconceivable that hard drives could be as vast and cheap as they are now, and I'm sure more than a few people then felt certain that they'd "never be cheap enough for common consumers."
 
2012-09-30 06:53:53 PM
As someone who spends a good deal of time working leather, I call shenanigans. I don't care how sophisticated the lattice on which you grow bovine skin tissue, you won't get the characteristics that make leather useful - you may get a thin, decent substitute for garment leather, but you won't get anything you can use for durable shoes, belts, or other useful, thicker leather items. Why?

The article indicates that "hides do not have hair or tough outer skin on them." In other words, you're going to get a thin epidermis and dermis, without significant fiber development, and without hair, you won't get a papillary layer. You need both a papillary layer and a fibrous layer of some thickness to get leather that can serve as a useful replacement.

In other words, you may see this as a gimmick on garment items and, perhaps, ladies dress shoes, but, no, this won't replace leather at all.
 
2012-10-01 09:28:44 AM
Can they grow it face shaped and stretch it flat?
 
2012-10-01 12:11:34 PM

MasterPython: Can they grow it face shaped and stretch it flat?


if they can pull that off I'm gonna order a wrinkleless scrotum.
 
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