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2012-09-29 12:40:57 PM  
Anti-fur protesters are more fun. I once own3d a fur protester for wearing a leather jacket while she was protesting. Good times, good times...
 
2012-09-29 12:47:08 PM  
I knew a vegan who wore his leather for the longest time. Of course, his reason for going veg was not that he loves animals, but hates vegetables that much.
 
2012-09-29 01:02:01 PM  
Why bother mass producing artificial leather? Are cows suddenly in short supply?
 
2012-09-29 01:07:54 PM  

Honest Bender: Why bother mass producing artificial leather? Are cows suddenly in short supply?


Exotics. Who wouldn't want a pair of California condor skinned boots
 
2012-09-29 01:08:02 PM  

Honest Bender: Why bother mass producing artificial leather? Are cows suddenly in short supply?


If cows are in short supply we'll have a lot more problems then a lack of leather.
 
2012-09-29 01:09:12 PM  

Honest Bender: Why bother mass producing artificial leather? Are cows suddenly in short supply?


Well, this would allow you to seamlessly cover with leather things that are larger than/shaped differently than cows.
 
2012-09-29 01:10:39 PM  

drjekel_mrhyde: Honest Bender: Why bother mass producing artificial leather? Are cows suddenly in short supply?

Exotics. Who wouldn't want a pair of California condor skinned boots


and big brown seal eyes for hubcaps!
 
2012-09-29 01:11:16 PM  

incendi: Honest Bender: Why bother mass producing artificial leather? Are cows suddenly in short supply?

Well, this would allow you to seamlessly cover with leather things that are larger than/shaped differently than cows.


*insert yomomma joke here*
 
2012-09-29 01:19:53 PM  
Did you say artificial skin?

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2012-09-29 01:31:11 PM  
I find it more interesting and more valuable that scientists are working on methods to bioprint skin grafts on burn victims. Printing a pair of "leather" ass-less chaps isn't high priority compared to the medical applications of this technology. YMMV.
 
2012-09-29 01:43:51 PM  

red5ish: I find it more interesting and more valuable that scientists are working on methods to bioprint skin grafts on burn victims. Printing a pair of "leather" ass-less chaps isn't high priority compared to the medical applications of this technology. YMMV.


FYI... All chaps are "ass-less".
 
2012-09-29 01:56:54 PM  
How about human skin gloves?
 
2012-09-29 01:58:12 PM  

The My Little Pony Killer: I knew a vegan who wore his leather for the longest time. Of course, his reason for going veg was not that he loves animals, but hates vegetables that much.


Hating vegetables is a very strange reason to go vegan.
 
2012-09-29 01:58:19 PM  

BumpInTheNight: drjekel_mrhyde: Honest Bender: Why bother mass producing artificial leather? Are cows suddenly in short supply?

Exotics. Who wouldn't want a pair of California condor skinned boots

and big brown seal eyes for hubcaps!


In Canada we call them ice rats, makes it easier to club them.
 
2012-09-29 01:58:50 PM  

incendi: Honest Bender: Why bother mass producing artificial leather? Are cows suddenly in short supply?

Well, this would allow you to seamlessly cover with leather things that are larger than/shaped differently than cows.


So, Americans.
 
2012-09-29 02:16:41 PM  

Honest Bender: Why bother mass producing artificial leather? Are cows suddenly in short supply?


No, but if we offload leather production, think of how much cheaper gelatin will get.

/mmm Jello
 
2012-09-29 02:23:39 PM  
Is this really going to be in any way cheaper or more efficient than using the coverings off of animals we already kill for hamburgers?
 
2012-09-29 02:30:11 PM  

incendi: Honest Bender: Why bother mass producing artificial leather? Are cows suddenly in short supply?

Well, this would allow you to seamlessly cover with leather things that are larger than/shaped differently than cows.


This, and even in cow-sized hides you'd have more leather that is actually USABLE. :D

(Warning: Leatherworking geekery follows)

Leather generally gets graded based on hide quality--hides with less scars and brands of course get made into finer (and more expensive) leather, whilst other leathers get turned into cheaper leathers--and even with the better hides, there's bits of the hide that may not be usable for parts that will show due to scarring or brands or holes in the hide. (This actually gets a little more problematic if you're working in suedes or with brain-tanned leather because you have to not only pay attention to flaws in the hide itself but on which way the hide stretches at different points.)

With lab-grown leather, not only would you have a uniform quality, but can go bigger--or smaller--than the size of an average cow and might even be able to tweak the LabLeather skin for different applications (if you're going for suede, or oiled top-grain leather, or veg-tan leather for tooling, or latigo for things like moccasin soles and straps--you could potentially even have a uniform weight/thickness without skiving, which would be pretty darn neat :D

Plus you can point to vegans and note that Bessie did not sacrifice her life for it :D

/why yes, I do engage in leatherworking for fun
//maybe someday for profit...but for now, for fun. :D
 
2012-09-29 02:32:30 PM  
And as others have noted--LabLeather actually uses a process that has been in clinical trials and would be useful for another, lifesaving application--cultured skin for people with severe burns. (The one thing that would be missing is hair and maybe sweat glands, but that really isn't much different than the case now; this is pretty much for the purpose of "keeping some integument on the person so they don't die from loss of bodily fluids and/or massive bacterial infections".
 
2012-09-29 02:33:24 PM  

Honest Bender: Why bother mass producing artificial leather? Are cows suddenly in short supply?


RTFA. It requires less water, less energy, and less land. It would also reduce greenhouse gas emissions. Taking all that into account, once the technology matures it will end up being a hell of a lot cheaper.
 
2012-09-29 02:33:26 PM  

dholway: The My Little Pony Killer: I knew a vegan who wore his leather for the longest time. Of course, his reason for going veg was not that he loves animals, but hates vegetables that much.

Hating vegetables is a very strange reason to go vegan.


...it's a joke.

/he doesn't hate the taste.
 
2012-09-29 02:34:33 PM  
Sounds expensive. Prohibitively expensive.
 
2012-09-29 02:47:53 PM  
Would artificial tusks put elephant poachers out of business? Is it cannibalism if it's artificial celebrity beef?
 
2012-09-29 02:50:03 PM  

phaseolus: Sounds expensive. Prohibitively expensive.


I'm sure it's expensive now, but once it's done on an industrial scale? Artificial leather should be about as expensive as a very large yoghurt.

/still have to pay through the nose to turn it into a jacket htough
 
2012-09-29 02:54:18 PM  

The My Little Pony Killer: I knew a vegan who wore his leather for the longest time. Of course, his reason for going veg was not that he loves animals, but hates vegetables that much.


I like his style.

I have vegan/veggie friends who have leather/fur that was bought before they turned vegan/veggie or inherited. They have been called out on it, and will just answer "the animal is already dead, and it would be more of an insult if I throw this away then if I use it for as long as I can". With a dead-on stare. It's great.

IIRC, my one friend just finally tossed a pair of leather Docs that she had finally wore through to the sole. She thought about giving them away, but they were too worn and Goodwill would have probably tossed them anyway. So she made the best of it.

/shrug
//realize there are hypocrites out there, though, and they do suck
///thankfully all my vegan/veggie friends are cool people who don't judge me *or* expect the world to revolve around them either, as long as there's a couple of things on the menu they can eat they're cool
////I choose my friends well
 
2012-09-29 03:02:02 PM  

TXEric: red5ish: I find it more interesting and more valuable that scientists are working on methods to bioprint skin grafts on burn victims. Printing a pair of "leather" ass-less chaps isn't high priority compared to the medical applications of this technology. YMMV.

FYI... All chaps are "ass-less".


Of course they are; the example was chosen to accentuate the frivolity of using this technology to make leather (a readily available material). The "ass-less" was for style.
 
2012-09-29 03:05:17 PM  
Give me my bacon printer naow!!
 
2012-09-29 03:10:38 PM  

TXEric: red5ish: I find it more interesting and more valuable that scientists are working on methods to bioprint skin grafts on burn victims. Printing a pair of "leather" ass-less chaps isn't high priority compared to the medical applications of this technology. YMMV.

FYI... All chaps are "ass-less".


Thanks for clarifying this. I always suspected it.
 
2012-09-29 03:11:41 PM  

dholway: How about human skin gloves?


That is what your mother is for.


/ I keed I keed
 
2012-09-29 03:33:57 PM  
it wont have to rub the lotion on its skin?
 
2012-09-29 03:35:37 PM  
imageshack.us
 
2012-09-29 03:41:40 PM  
fake leather to jews is like fake diamonds is to vegans. omg i don't care about their silly stuff they will say about each other. but in their next breath insist real diamonds or fake leather is so farking important so you must buy the product we are pitching.
 
2012-09-29 03:49:57 PM  
Rich Corinthian leather?

Vinyl.
 
2012-09-29 04:27:59 PM  
If they want to do something useful, find a way to clone elephant ivory. And rhino tusks before they're both hunted into extinction.
 
2012-09-29 04:35:26 PM  

dholway: How about human skin gloves?


When you take them off... how do you know when to quit?
 
2012-09-29 04:53:15 PM  

TXEric: red5ish: I find it more interesting and more valuable that scientists are working on methods to bioprint skin grafts on burn victims. Printing a pair of "leather" ass-less chaps isn't high priority compared to the medical applications of this technology. YMMV.

FYI... All chaps are "ass-less".


Technically.

www.ratemyfunnypictures.com
 
2012-09-29 05:18:33 PM  
I'll take my vegan skin shiat kickers in a 10 1/2 please.
 
2012-09-29 06:04:54 PM  
When they start bioprinting dime beeatches, there'll be some huffy bloggers over at Jezebel.
 
2012-09-29 06:32:49 PM  
Sounds like it will never be cheap enough for common consumers
 
2012-09-29 06:34:23 PM  

indarwinsshadow: If they want to do something useful, find a way to clone elephant ivory. And rhino tusks before they're both hunted into extinction.


Seeing as rhino horns are basically keratin (the same material as in skin), this actually COULD lead to synthesizing rhino horns (rhinos don't really have tusks--they're more kin to horses than elephants, and much like horses have teensy canines if they have them at all).

Elephant tusks are a bit more difficult, but we're actually coming fairly far with the human equivalent (scientists HAVE figured out how to regrow human teeth)--you'd basically need elephant stem cells (either embryonic or rejuvenated adult stem cells) that were triggered to form elephant tusks, but within ten or fifteen years it should be possible.

(Let's hope that rhinos and elephants can last that long outside zoos, though. Farking HATE poachers--not just on account of "killing endangered species for ornaments", but it just seems farking WASTEFUL to me to kill an animal just for one part. I've no problem with deer or cow leather or buffalo leather because most of the critter gets used, I'm even ok with people who hunt deer for trophies as long as they donate the meat to friends or to somewhere that gives game meat to the homeless, but just hunting an animal without using all you can of it just seems to be disrespectful to the animal. Maybe I'm just old-fashioned like that...and unfortunately, elephants and rhinos are the top two species that are pretty much killed just for one body part to the point of becoming endangered. :P)
 
2012-09-29 07:15:46 PM  
You know how you can buy fake diamonds, that are almost like the real thing?
Try proposing to the love of your life with one of those and see how far it gets you.

Me, I'll take blood diamonds and real leather any day, tyvm.
 
2012-09-29 07:36:24 PM  

dholway: The My Little Pony Killer: I knew a vegan who wore his leather for the longest time. Of course, his reason for going veg was not that he loves animals, but hates vegetables that much.

Hating vegetables is a very strange reason to go vegan.


3.bp.blogspot.com

How about super powers?
 
2012-09-29 09:40:32 PM  

FireNexus: Honest Bender: Why bother mass producing artificial leather? Are cows suddenly in short supply?

RTFA. It requires less water, less energy, and less land. It would also reduce greenhouse gas emissions. Taking all that into account, once the technology matures it will end up being a hell of a lot cheaper.


Sooooo, by gearing up a whole new industrial process, in addition to the one thats already in place, you think thats those combined industries are going to be using LESS water, energy and land?
I suppose if you could convince all the folks eating beef now to stop, so fewer cattle were slaughtered, so those same cows could eat more grass, drink more wate.......oh...no...wait....thats not right.
Or how about we just slaughter the cattle, but don't use the hides. Yeah, we'll just strip their skins off and throw 'em away.
Couple of questions about the whole artificial skin thing.......are there any toxic substances used to produce the hardware used to grow this skins? How about any toxic byproducts to manufacture the growth solutions that they require?
To think that any of that is true is at best terribly disingenous, and at the worst blindly ignorant.

Mind you, I'm not at all averse to the notion of artificially grown leather. Just don't paint a pair of glasses pink, spin me around in circles and give me a shove, telling me everything is rosier in that direction.
 
2012-09-29 10:20:07 PM  
Someone might avoid eating animal products for a reason completely unrelated to animal rights, but that is too hard for the Fark anti-vegan brigade to understand.
 
2012-09-29 10:41:26 PM  

Great Porn Dragon: unfortunately, elephants and rhinos are the top two species that are pretty much killed just for one body part to the point of becoming endangered. :P)


shark fin soup is another example
 
2012-09-29 11:06:59 PM  
what do the clothes that you wear have to do with the food that you eat?

Veganism is a form of diet, not a form of fashion...
 
2012-09-30 12:18:24 AM  

StreetlightInTheGhetto: The My Little Pony Killer: I knew a vegan who wore his leather for the longest time. Of course, his reason for going veg was not that he loves animals, but hates vegetables that much.

I like his style.

I have vegan/veggie friends who have leather/fur that was bought before they turned vegan/veggie or inherited. They have been called out on it, and will just answer "the animal is already dead, and it would be more of an insult if I throw this away then if I use it for as long as I can". With a dead-on stare. It's great.

IIRC, my one friend just finally tossed a pair of leather Docs that she had finally wore through to the sole. She thought about giving them away, but they were too worn and Goodwill would have probably tossed them anyway. So she made the best of it.

/shrug
//realize there are hypocrites out there, though, and they do suck
///thankfully all my vegan/veggie friends are cool people who don't judge me *or* expect the world to revolve around them either, as long as there's a couple of things on the menu they can eat they're cool
////I choose my friends well


On the one hand, this is the same logic I use when not caring who the original manufacturer of Goodwill clothes I buy is. The manufacturer isn't getting my money, Goodwill is (and I like their ideas).

However, I'm not into diamonds because of the general crappiness about how some of them are mined. And when someone sees a diamond on you they aren't gonna know if it is "fake" and not mined- they are just going to see that diamonds are still in, valuable, and desired. You're buying in on the trend and idea that everyone must have one so in a way you are supporting the industry.

/more importantly "fake" diamonds and this lab produced leather are incredibly useful since diamonds have all kinds of uses and growing skin is great for anyone with burns or other injuries...
 
2012-09-30 12:26:51 AM  

Bhags: FireNexus: Honest Bender: Why bother mass producing artificial leather? Are cows suddenly in short supply?

RTFA. It requires less water, less energy, and less land. It would also reduce greenhouse gas emissions. Taking all that into account, once the technology matures it will end up being a hell of a lot cheaper.

Sooooo, by gearing up a whole new industrial process, in addition to the one thats already in place, you think thats those combined industries are going to be using LESS water, energy and land?


That's what I was just thinking... The resources are a sunken cost. We're already raising the animals for food. The leather is a bonus. His point may have been valid if we are raising cattle just for their leather. Which, I don't know, maybe we are. I'm not exactly a leather expert...
 
2012-09-30 12:42:43 AM  

Honest Bender: Bhags: FireNexus: Honest Bender: Why bother mass producing artificial leather? Are cows suddenly in short supply?

RTFA. It requires less water, less energy, and less land. It would also reduce greenhouse gas emissions. Taking all that into account, once the technology matures it will end up being a hell of a lot cheaper.

Sooooo, by gearing up a whole new industrial process, in addition to the one thats already in place, you think thats those combined industries are going to be using LESS water, energy and land?

That's what I was just thinking... The resources are a sunken cost. We're already raising the animals for food. The leather is a bonus. His point may have been valid if we are raising cattle just for their leather. Which, I don't know, maybe we are. I'm not exactly a leather expert...


Oh, we're not. We're raising cows to make steaks and hamburgers. Some of the exotic stuff is killed just for its leather, but the shearling in your slippers comes from the same sheep you just ate in your Gyro, and your shoes came from that cow that gave its life to make a couple of big macs. Your pork rinds come from the skin of the... Yeah, never mind that one.

Now, if they can make this efficient enough, it'll drive down the price of top quality leather, which will drive down leather prices in general, and make all leather cheaper, and that's a good thing. Nice, well made dress shoes get cheaper, leather jackets get cheaper, you'll be able to get leather furniture that's not bonded crap for something less than the price of a decent car. That wouldn't be a horrible side effect, but it's not like we're gonna stop killing cows- this will still be an entirely new process added onto the same level of beef production we've always had. Yeah, there's absolutly no chance this will decrease the use of water, energy, or land, by the slightest amount.
 
2012-09-30 12:50:03 AM  
I'm vegan, I wear leather. Why? I'm a dietary vegan alone. I don't care about the fact I'm wearing animal skins. I just eat only plants because it's really healthy for me. That and that leather is accumulated as a byproduct of a mainly a cow that has been grown for meat, milk, and/or breeding stock. People don't grow cows mainly just for leather.
 
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