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2012-09-29 08:42:27 PM  
When is Grover Norquist going to get a real job?
 
2012-09-29 08:46:52 PM  

Lurking Fear: Grover, fark you and the horse you rode in on. Want nice things like adequate health care? They have to be paid for. Not by borrowing and running up more debt like the previous administration.


Are you arging the has been no debt increase during this administration ? This same admisntration that agreed not only to to extend the "Bush" tax cuts but to cut other taxes?

You sound like the increasing majority of those who pay no taxes complaining that decreasing minority of us who do are not paying enough; not carrying enough of your share of the load.

It is bad is that you believe a government that takes in about $3 trillion in revenue does not have enough money.

Worse stil is that you believe that government run health care will be adequate.
 
2012-09-29 08:49:52 PM  

Dancin_In_Anson: Bloody William: Supporters after the debate: This is going to save you money, but it's going to be paid through increasing payroll taxes 9% for households making over $250,000 and increasing capital gains taxes 8.8% for households making over $250,000. The other "taxes" aren't so much taxes as methods to bring costs under control.

In other words, 81% of the "taxes" are tax hikes on the wealthy, and the remaining 19% is primarily deduction and FSA adjustments to control costs and an excise tax on medical device manufacturers, again to control costs.


Click your heels three times and keep telling yourself this over and over and maybe it will come true!


or don't think of them as taxes but health care "fines."
 
2012-09-29 08:50:52 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: It was. Everyone in the world traveled here for top notch medical care. Top nurses and doctors hoped and dreamed about coming to America to work. And all and all we had the same levels of people not able to get preventive heath care as anyone else in the world. And everyone and I mean everyone who crosses a threshold of a hospital gets full care.



Yeah it was awesome, 50+ million people uninsured. You would get your coverage dropped if something expensive happened to you or you had a pre-existing condition, and plans like Medicare part D were needed to lower the cost of a pill popping obsessed nation.

Not to mention the fact your health insurance costs continued to rise year after year for no actual reason.

And no, most people didn't come to America unless they had a lot of money. And if you are proud of a system that only helps people with tons of money to pay, then you are the anti-thesis of the American ideal.
 
2012-09-29 08:55:15 PM  

hasty ambush: It is bad is that you believe a government that takes in about $3 trillion in revenue does not have enough money.


Apparently it does not. Wars are hella expensive.
 
2012-09-29 09:00:22 PM  

intelligent comment below: The Stealth Hippopotamus: It was. Everyone in the world traveled here for top notch medical care. Top nurses and doctors hoped and dreamed about coming to America to work. And all and all we had the same levels of people not able to get preventive heath care as anyone else in the world. And everyone and I mean everyone who crosses a threshold of a hospital gets full care.


Yeah it was awesome, 50+ million people uninsured. You would get your coverage dropped if something expensive happened to you or you had a pre-existing condition, and plans like Medicare part D were needed to lower the cost of a pill popping obsessed nation.

Not to mention the fact your health insurance costs continued to rise year after year for no actual reason.

And no, most people didn't come to America unless they had a lot of money. And if you are proud of a system that only helps people with tons of money to pay, then you are the anti-thesis of the American ideal.


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2012-09-29 09:00:53 PM  

intelligent comment below: The Stealth Hippopotamus: It was. Everyone in the world traveled here for top notch medical care. Top nurses and doctors hoped and dreamed about coming to America to work. And all and all we had the same levels of people not able to get preventive heath care as anyone else in the world. And everyone and I mean everyone who crosses a threshold of a hospital gets full care.


Yeah it was awesome, 50+ million people uninsured


Which of course justifies forcing the remaining 270 million of us into a one size fits all system?

Name me one single other country that tries this with a very diverse population of over 300 million spread out over 3 million square miles. Even Canada, with about a tenth our peopulation, allows the provinces to bascially run their own systems.

Obamacare is not about providing health care but increasing government power.
 
2012-09-29 09:09:03 PM  

hasty ambush: intelligent comment below: The Stealth Hippopotamus: It was. Everyone in the world traveled here for top notch medical care. Top nurses and doctors hoped and dreamed about coming to America to work. And all and all we had the same levels of people not able to get preventive heath care as anyone else in the world. And everyone and I mean everyone who crosses a threshold of a hospital gets full care.


Yeah it was awesome, 50+ million people uninsured

Which of course justifies forcing the remaining 270 million of us into a one size fits all system?

Name me one single other country that tries this with a very diverse population of over 300 million spread out over 3 million square miles. Even Canada, with about a tenth our peopulation, allows the provinces to bascially run their own systems.

Obamacare is not about providing health care but increasing government power.


Last I checked we are very, very far from a one size fits all system. How many private insurance companies are there in the US? We're a disorganized patchwork in an era when pretty much every other developed nation has figured this health care thing out. Our backwardness here is embarrassing at the the light end and desperately depressing at the where the most powerful nation on the earth lets its own citizens go without health care.
 
2012-09-29 09:19:52 PM  

Graffito: hasty ambush: It is bad is that you believe a government that takes in about $3 trillion in revenue does not have enough money.


Apparently it does not. Wars are hella expensive.


So is a MEDICARE program that admits to losing $50 to $80 billion a year. Add in $20 billion bailout of the UAW, or a failed $38 billion green jobs program that turned into a slush fund for democrat money bundlers and campaign contrubutors not to mention running a $940 billion a year (Feral and state combined) government means tested social welfare system in which only 30 cents of every dollar reach the intended recipient.

Yup lets blame the wars.

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2012-09-29 09:22:04 PM  

Dancin_In_Anson: Supporters during the passage debate: This is going to save you money!

Supporters after (to borrow a phrase) finding out what's in it after it's passed: It's going to cost you but it's for your own good!


I'm all about hearing the better plan that the GOP fought for these last 10 - 20 - 40 years.

Oh, the plan where "you get sick, you can't afford insurance, you die?" That plan? Sorry, not liking it all that much.

Just shut up you GOP a$$holes. You're just like the 6 year old watching the other kids building a fort saying, "I could have built such a superior fort."
 
2012-09-29 09:26:32 PM  

themindiswatching: theknuckler_33: Have they, or are they considering, cutting jobs? Is there talk of such action at your company?

So far, no. But even if they did, I imagine the problems in Europe would matter more than a 2.3% tax on each product sold.


Shocking.
 
2012-09-29 09:30:25 PM  

LockeOak: theknuckler_33: The table above also incorporates the scheduled hike in the capital gains rate from 15 to 20 percent, and the scheduled hike in dividends rate from 15 to 39.6 percent.

What is this referring to? Is this related to the 'fiscal cliff' or something else? I have not heard of this 'scheduled hike' in these tax rates.

I believe the cut from 20% to 15% was part of the Bush tax cuts, which (as renewed) expire at the end of the year, so it goes back up to 20%, plus the additional 3.8% from the PPACA.

/good


I guess I'm not understanding why he'd mention those particular 'scheduled' tax increases without mentioning the increases in all tax bracket rates as well that are also 'scheduled' as a result of the 'fiscal cliff'.
 
2012-09-29 09:32:17 PM  

hasty ambush: Worse stil is that you believe that government run health care will be adequate.


Yes, a system of private doctors working for private medical groups contracting with private hospitals and funded by private insurance can best be summed up as "government run health care".
 
2012-09-29 09:33:42 PM  

WorldCitizen: hasty ambush: intelligent comment below: The Stealth Hippopotamus: It was. Everyone in the world traveled here for top notch medical care. Top nurses and doctors hoped and dreamed about coming to America to work. And all and all we had the same levels of people not able to get preventive heath care as anyone else in the world. And everyone and I mean everyone who crosses a threshold of a hospital gets full care.


Yeah it was awesome, 50+ million people uninsured

Which of course justifies forcing the remaining 270 million of us into a one size fits all system?

Name me one single other country that tries this with a very diverse population of over 300 million spread out over 3 million square miles. Even Canada, with about a tenth our peopulation, allows the provinces to bascially run their own systems.

Obamacare is not about providing health care but increasing government power.

Last I checked we are very, very far from a one size fits all system. How many private insurance companies are there in the US? We're a disorganized patchwork in an era when pretty much every other developed nation has figured this health care thing out. Our backwardness here is embarrassing at the the light end and desperately depressing at the where the most powerful nation on the earth lets its own citizens go without health care.


Take it up with your state government.

"The powers delegated by the proposed Constitution to the federal government are few and defined. Those which are to remain in the State governments are numerous and indefinite. The former will be exercised principally on external objects, as war, peace, negotiation and foreign commerce. ... The powers reserved to the several States will extend to all the objects which in the ordinary course of affairs, concern the lives and liberties, and properties of the people, and the internal order, improvement and prosperity of the State."
~~James Madison, Federalist No. 45

"Congress has not unlimited powers to provide for the general welfare, but only those specifically enumerated." - Thomas Jefferson, 1798

"I will not go into an argument to prove that Congress has no power to appropriate this money as an act of charity. Every member upon this floor knows it. We have the right, as individuals, to give away as much of our own money as we please in charity; but as members of Congress we have no right to so appropriate a dollar of the public money."
Congressman Davy Crockett, the poorest man in Congress

"If Congress can apply money indefinitely to the general welfare, and are the sole and supreme judges of the general welfare, they may take the care of religion into their own hands; they may take into their own hands the education of children, establishing in like manner schools throughout the Union; they may undertake the regulation of all roads, other than post roads. In short, everything from the highest object of State legislation, down to the most minute object of policy, would be thrown under the power of Congress; for every object I have mentioned would admit the application of money, and might be called, if Congress pleased, provisions for the general welfare."
James Madison, speech to the First US Congress.
 
2012-09-29 09:44:29 PM  

hasty ambush: WorldCitizen: hasty ambush: intelligent comment below: The Stealth Hippopotamus: It was. Everyone in the world traveled here for top notch medical care. Top nurses and doctors hoped and dreamed about coming to America to work. And all and all we had the same levels of people not able to get preventive heath care as anyone else in the world. And everyone and I mean everyone who crosses a threshold of a hospital gets full care.


Yeah it was awesome, 50+ million people uninsured

Which of course justifies forcing the remaining 270 million of us into a one size fits all system?

Name me one single other country that tries this with a very diverse population of over 300 million spread out over 3 million square miles. Even Canada, with about a tenth our peopulation, allows the provinces to bascially run their own systems.

Obamacare is not about providing health care but increasing government power.

Last I checked we are very, very far from a one size fits all system. How many private insurance companies are there in the US? We're a disorganized patchwork in an era when pretty much every other developed nation has figured this health care thing out. Our backwardness here is embarrassing at the the light end and desperately depressing at the where the most powerful nation on the earth lets its own citizens go without health care.

Take it up with your state government.

"The powers delegated by the proposed Constitution to the federal government are few and defined. Those which are to remain in the State governments are numerous and indefinite. The former will be exercised principally on external objects, as war, peace, negotiation and foreign commerce. ... The powers reserved to the several States will extend to all the objects which in the ordinary course of affairs, concern the lives and liberties, and properties of the people, and the internal order, improvement and prosperity of the State."
~~James Madison, Federalist No. 45

"Congress has not unlimited powers to ...


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You said James Madison twice.
 
2012-09-29 10:03:39 PM  

hasty ambush: WorldCitizen: hasty ambush: intelligent comment below: The Stealth Hippopotamus: It was. Everyone in the world traveled here for top notch medical care. Top nurses and doctors hoped and dreamed about coming to America to work. And all and all we had the same levels of people not able to get preventive heath care as anyone else in the world. And everyone and I mean everyone who crosses a threshold of a hospital gets full care.


Yeah it was awesome, 50+ million people uninsured

Which of course justifies forcing the remaining 270 million of us into a one size fits all system?

Name me one single other country that tries this with a very diverse population of over 300 million spread out over 3 million square miles. Even Canada, with about a tenth our peopulation, allows the provinces to bascially run their own systems.

Obamacare is not about providing health care but increasing government power.

Last I checked we are very, very far from a one size fits all system. How many private insurance companies are there in the US? We're a disorganized patchwork in an era when pretty much every other developed nation has figured this health care thing out. Our backwardness here is embarrassing at the the light end and desperately depressing at the where the most powerful nation on the earth lets its own citizens go without health care.

Take it up with your state government.

"The powers delegated by the proposed Constitution to the federal government are few and defined. Those which are to remain in the State governments are numerous and indefinite. The former will be exercised principally on external objects, as war, peace, negotiation and foreign commerce. ... The powers reserved to the several States will extend to all the objects which in the ordinary course of affairs, concern the lives and liberties, and properties of the people, and the internal order, improvement and prosperity of the State."
~~James Madison, Federalist No. 45

"Congress has not unlimited powers to ...


Those quotes are all well and good, but they are personal quotes, not law, from an agrarian era when health care involved calling some guy into your bedroom to put leeches on you to drain your blood to balance your humors. An era when national infrastructure involved cutting down some trees to make a dirt trail. An era when the US population was 4 to 5 million people neatly packed into the southeastern corner of North America. That simplistic era is over as well as the simplistic government it required. If I lived back then, I would be the biggest libertarian around. We really didn't need much government at all back then.

Now I'm socially libertarian, but I firmly believe that the 21st Century society we live in (and yes, it is a society with the many complex needs that come with that...not just a hand full of people spread out far and apart on their farms with a few "large" cities of maybe 100,000 people) requires complex, large organization and investments regarding infrastructure. Times change. This ain't 1795 no matter how much one might wish it were.
 
2012-09-29 10:13:02 PM  
Oh christ, not again...

I just spent several days two weeks ago pummeling idiots on Facebook for this crap. Grover Norquist makes me wanna choke a biatch - and I'M A FISCAL CONSERVATIVE!!!!
 
2012-09-29 10:15:32 PM  

Kuroshin: Oh christ, not again...

I just spent several days two weeks ago pummeling idiots on Facebook for this crap. Grover Norquist makes me wanna choke a biatch - and I'M A FISCAL CONSERVATIVE!!!!


Not if you oppose The Grover Norquist you are not! If you oppose The Grover Norquist, you're a tax and spend socialist. Or maybe communist.
 
2012-09-29 10:21:18 PM  
Well, whackadoodles, this is going to happen, because Romney has as much chance of winning the election as you do of becoming as rich as Romney. After a year or two, when your lives are improved by this and other legislation that improves it in the future, you can say, "thank you" and stop being such a bunch of giant brown assholes.
 
2012-09-29 11:12:01 PM  

Somacandra: When is Grover Norquist going to get a real job?


Don't be ridiculous. "Republican Party Puppeteer" is very much a real job.
 
2012-09-30 12:03:29 AM  
And not a single one of them affects me so...meh.

Granted the first one may affect me at some point but it depends if the small 2.3% tax increase really get's passed on to consumers, but working in the medical field and knowing first hand how overpriced the equipment really is I don't see it happening for the vast majority of medical devices.

/wished I made enough money to worry about the rest of the tax hikes outlined in this article.
 
2012-09-30 12:03:31 AM  
Transparency? No no citizens, these are NOT the tax increases during a shiatTY economic time, though I biatched you for nearly a TRILLION bucks for. Serious bro, it's Bush n shiat. Here, have a cell phone.
 
2012-09-30 12:04:47 AM  

hasty ambush: Graffito: hasty ambush: It is bad is that you believe a government that takes in about $3 trillion in revenue does not have enough money.


Apparently it does not. Wars are hella expensive.

So is a MEDICARE program that admits to losing $50 to $80 billion a year. Add in $20 billion bailout of the UAW, or a failed $38 billion green jobs program that turned into a slush fund for democrat money bundlers and campaign contrubutors not to mention running a $940 billion a year (Feral and state combined) government means tested social welfare system in which only 30 cents of every dollar reach the intended recipient.

Yup lets blame the wars.

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You mean the two completely unnecessary wars vs. health care, the safety net and a bailout to help an economy cratered, in part, by Bush era deregulation?

Oh, that link is pure bullshiat. 70% administrative costs? Are you stoned out of your mind?

The data show that 91 to 99 percent of total federal spending on these programs reaches beneficiaries in the form of benefits or services, as does 90 to 99 percent of combined federal and state spending for these programs
 
2012-09-30 12:15:37 AM  
Wait, I am SURE Barry PROMISED to cut the debt in 1/2. His pledge of much lower unemployment seems right on,. Obamacare, keep your same doctor, right? Everything in Libya and Egypt is on the up and up, so fark you man, I gots Jay Z and BEYONCE biatches.
 
2012-09-30 12:23:05 AM  

hasty ambush: Which of course justifies forcing the remaining 270 million of us into a one size fits all system?


Which, of course, is what Obamacare does?
 
2012-09-30 01:05:49 AM  

hasty ambush: Which of course justifies forcing the remaining 270 million of us into a one size fits all system?



TIL 0bummercare is a single payer system

hasty ambush: Name me one single other country that tries this with a very diverse population of over 300 million spread out over 3 million square miles. Even Canada, with about a tenth our peopulation, allows the provinces to bascially run their own systems.



Government is going to run the system? wut?

hasty ambush: Obamacare is not about providing health care but increasing government power.



and nothing increases government power by tens of millions more people paying for private insurance plans...
 
2012-09-30 01:07:29 AM  

3_Butt_Cheeks: Transparency? No no citizens, these are NOT the tax increases during a shiatTY economic time, though I biatched you for nearly a TRILLION bucks for. Serious bro, it's Bush n shiat. Here, have a cell phone.


3_Butt_Cheeks: Wait, I am SURE Barry PROMISED to cut the debt in 1/2. His pledge of much lower unemployment seems right on,. Obamacare, keep your same doctor, right? Everything in Libya and Egypt is on the up and up, so fark you man, I gots Jay Z and BEYONCE biatches.



You sound tired

and drunk
 
2012-09-30 01:08:27 AM  

hasty ambush: So is a MEDICARE program that admits to losing $50 to $80 billion a year. Add in $20 billion bailout of the UAW, or a failed $38 billion green jobs program that turned into a slush fund for democrat money bundlers and campaign contrubutors not to mention running a $940 billion a year (Feral and state combined) government means tested social welfare system in which only 30 cents of every dollar reach the intended recipient.

Yup lets blame the wars.



Yeah the cost of the wars at almost 4 trillion plus over 1 trillion a year for defense spending is absolutely no big deal. Lets instead blame SOLYNDRA and the car bailout.
 
2012-09-30 01:11:15 AM  

intelligent comment below: 3_Butt_Cheeks: Transparency? No no citizens, these are NOT the tax increases during a shiatTY economic time, though I biatched you for nearly a TRILLION bucks for. Serious bro, it's Bush n shiat. Here, have a cell phone.

3_Butt_Cheeks: Wait, I am SURE Barry PROMISED to cut the debt in 1/2. His pledge of much lower unemployment seems right on,. Obamacare, keep your same doctor, right? Everything in Libya and Egypt is on the up and up, so fark you man, I gots Jay Z and BEYONCE biatches.


You sound tired

and drunk


You sound empty, and full of cool memes from 2007.

Hot.
 
2012-09-30 01:12:54 AM  

3_Butt_Cheeks: intelligent comment below: 3_Butt_Cheeks: Transparency? No no citizens, these are NOT the tax increases during a shiatTY economic time, though I biatched you for nearly a TRILLION bucks for. Serious bro, it's Bush n shiat. Here, have a cell phone.

3_Butt_Cheeks: Wait, I am SURE Barry PROMISED to cut the debt in 1/2. His pledge of much lower unemployment seems right on,. Obamacare, keep your same doctor, right? Everything in Libya and Egypt is on the up and up, so fark you man, I gots Jay Z and BEYONCE biatches.


You sound tired

and drunk

You sound empty, and full of cool memes from 2007.

Hot.



The only thing empty is your drink... and you skull.
 
2012-09-30 01:15:07 AM  

intelligent comment below: 3_Butt_Cheeks: intelligent comment below: 3_Butt_Cheeks: Transparency? No no citizens, these are NOT the tax increases during a shiatTY economic time, though I biatched you for nearly a TRILLION bucks for. Serious bro, it's Bush n shiat. Here, have a cell phone.

3_Butt_Cheeks: Wait, I am SURE Barry PROMISED to cut the debt in 1/2. His pledge of much lower unemployment seems right on,. Obamacare, keep your same doctor, right? Everything in Libya and Egypt is on the up and up, so fark you man, I gots Jay Z and BEYONCE biatches.


You sound tired

and drunk

You sound empty, and full of cool memes from 2007.

Hot.


The only thing empty is your drink... and you skull.


I hope you made that up yourself bro.

:) back to the troll tank for you, as you contribute nothing, dispute nothing, and offer no facts/opinions besides your tired 5 yr old trolling.

But thanks.
 
2012-09-30 01:29:01 AM  

3_Butt_Cheeks: as you contribute nothing, dispute nothing, and offer no facts/opinions besides your tired 5 yr old trolling.



Captain, set projection to full!
 
2012-09-30 01:32:06 AM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: And everyone and I mean everyone who crosses a threshold of a hospital gets full care.


Lie.
 
2012-09-30 01:40:09 AM  
We are creating MILLIONS of JOBS!!!

lol

intelligent comment below: 3_Butt_Cheeks: as you contribute nothing, dispute nothing, and offer no facts/opinions besides your tired 5 yr old trolling.


Captain, set projection to full!


And yet you answer once again with nothing. Tiresome. Bye bye troll.
 
2012-09-30 01:45:56 AM  

3_Butt_Cheeks: And yet you answer once again with nothing. Tiresome. Bye bye troll.



Why would I ever have a debate with a known troll and shill who is so pathetic they have to lie about their education?
 
2012-09-30 02:00:43 AM  

intelligent comment below: 3_Butt_Cheeks: And yet you answer once again with nothing. Tiresome. Bye bye troll.


Why would I ever have a debate with a known troll and shill who is so pathetic they have to lie about their education?


:) Thank you SO much for confirming yourself as a useless troll, incapable of forming and opinion about anything and unable to articulate a point other than a 5th grade level.

I bet your fellow liberals here are eager to back you up :)
 
2012-09-30 03:15:19 AM  

3_Butt_Cheeks: :) Thank you SO much for confirming yourself as a useless troll, incapable of forming and opinion about anything and unable to articulate a point other than a 5th grade level.

I bet your fellow liberals here are eager to back you up :)



Making fun of your old and tired talking points is always good for a laugh. Even better is you think you were making coherent intelligent arguments. That's always amusing. Now tell me all about your advanced degree. Useless trolls lie about their education and parrot old and tired talking points, to which you are guilty with every post. I thought you were saying goodbye to me, umad?
 
2012-09-30 04:16:46 AM  

Dancin_In_Anson: Supporters during the passage debate: This is going to save you money!

Supporters after (to borrow a phrase) finding out what's in it after it's passed: It's going to cost you but it's for your own good!


Let's not forget his promise to the middle class that our taxes would not go up a single dime.

Fark him and the corrupt Chicago political machine he road in on.
 
2012-09-30 04:58:26 AM  

OgreMagi: Dancin_In_Anson: Supporters during the passage debate: This is going to save you money!

Supporters after (to borrow a phrase) finding out what's in it after it's passed: It's going to cost you but it's for your own good!

Let's not forget his promise to the middle class that our taxes would not go up a single dime.

Fark him and the corrupt Chicago political machine he road in on.


So which of these taxes will be hitting you hard?
 
2012-09-30 06:19:11 AM  

RoxtarRyan: AirForceVet: You all can argue about it. I'm OK with it all concerning the Affordable Care Act.

I make a good income. I'm out of debt except for the house mortgage. I really don't mind paying more in taxes because some of my fellow Americans aren't as fortunate as I am in some ways.

To quote an often used phrase by the right-wing, some don't have any kids serving on active duty and/or often don't understand its full meaning: Freedom isn't free.

Few things: as a fellow Air Force Vet, rock on.

I spent the last 3 years primarily as a student. Lived off of the Chapter 33 GI Bill, using Pell Grants and taking out student loans. Lived off of about $15k/year or so, aside from the summer temp IT jobs to help pay bills. Few months ago, I landed a kickass job a Fortune 100 company, and I realized a few weeks ago that I'm now going to be making so much, I'm going to pay more in taxes each year than I've earned each year I was a student. The way I see it? Fark yeah! I lived off of the taxes of others, and ya know what, it isn't only fair, but morally right to give back to the system that helped support me.

There will be no off-shore bank accounts to "hide" my money, there won't be taking advantage of poorly-written loopholes to avoid paying taxes that support education, interstate highways and other public utilities, and there won't be any complaining about having to help other people avoid medical costs that have driven friends and family members out of their homes. I'm not breaking 6 digits, and I have no goddamn problem living off of what I make and paying my due. If someone who makes at least $250k can't figure it the fark out, well, Republicans have been telling the lower class to "fark off" for years now, so I'd like to return the saying to the better off who biatch about not being able to afford paying for another new car every year.


Favorited. That is all.
 
2012-09-30 06:30:44 AM  

Truncks1: Well shiat. Lets just go back to the way things were because that was working out so damn well!


The rich getting richer while everyone else dies in the street?


Republican paradise.
 
2012-09-30 09:29:00 AM  

IronTom: Lurking Fear: Grover, fark you and the horse you rode in on. Want nice things like adequate health care? They have to be paid for. Not by borrowing and running up more debt like the previous administration. Taxes are necessary, despite your retarded thinking.
And considering your no tax pledge was devised when you were 12, retarded is the appropriate term.

You know, you think it is about better health care, but then why are they increasing the taxes on medical device manufacturers in particular?


Here's a guess i'm pulling out of my ass, but it probably has merit. Medical devices have a ton of subsidies/tax breaks already associated with them, and rather than eliminate those, they just heaped another tax on top. Gotta keep the CPAs and lawyers funded.

Also as a parent with two special needs kids, the FSA change is going to hurt, but much less than the elimination of the lifetime cap coupled with the changes here in CA at least, where they're cracking down on the asshole HC companies that have been outright defying the law that forces them to cover special needs services (Speech, OT, PT, etc.). Soundbytes are great for political hackery, but if you happen to be down in the weeds for some reason, it's a very different perspective.

\hackery, I like that word. I'm going to use it more.
 
2012-09-30 10:08:22 AM  

dickfreckle: RoxtarRyan: AirForceVet: You all can argue about it. I'm OK with it all concerning the Affordable Care Act.

I make a good income. I'm out of debt except for the house mortgage. I really don't mind paying more in taxes because some of my fellow Americans aren't as fortunate as I am in some ways.

To quote an often used phrase by the right-wing, some don't have any kids serving on active duty and/or often don't understand its full meaning: Freedom isn't free.

Few things: as a fellow Air Force Vet, rock on.

I spent the last 3 years primarily as a student. Lived off of the Chapter 33 GI Bill, using Pell Grants and taking out student loans. Lived off of about $15k/year or so, aside from the summer temp IT jobs to help pay bills. Few months ago, I landed a kickass job a Fortune 100 company, and I realized a few weeks ago that I'm now going to be making so much, I'm going to pay more in taxes each year than I've earned each year I was a student. The way I see it? Fark yeah! I lived off of the taxes of others, and ya know what, it isn't only fair, but morally right to give back to the system that helped support me.

There will be no off-shore bank accounts to "hide" my money, there won't be taking advantage of poorly-written loopholes to avoid paying taxes that support education, interstate highways and other public utilities, and there won't be any complaining about having to help other people avoid medical costs that have driven friends and family members out of their homes. I'm not breaking 6 digits, and I have no goddamn problem living off of what I make and paying my due. If someone who makes at least $250k can't figure it the fark out, well, Republicans have been telling the lower class to "fark off" for years now, so I'd like to return the saying to the better off who biatch about not being able to afford paying for another new car every year.

Favorited. That is all.


But...but...death panels! Throw gramma into the meatgrinder! JOB CREATORS!11one! 47%!!
 
2012-09-30 12:27:48 PM  

EnviroDude: Lurking Fear: Not by borrowing and running up more debt like the previous administration.


Or the present administration too!


Possibly because every time "Raising taxes" is brought up, it's met with a cacophonous wail of misinformation and obfuscation from the Opposition Party.
 
2012-09-30 12:45:48 PM  
"I'm gonna lower your medical care costs!"

Reality: I'm gonna control what you have to buy (medical devices) and then tax the fark out of it. Mmmm MMmm More money for me to spend.
 
2012-09-30 01:26:40 PM  

St_Francis_P: Lurking Fear: Want nice things like adequate health care?

I seriously doubt Grover cares at all about health care for someone anyone else.

 
2012-09-30 02:59:42 PM  

OgreMagi: Let's not forget his promise to the middle class that our taxes would not go up a single dime.



Show me on the doll where 0bama touched your taxes
 
2012-09-30 06:01:25 PM  
Wow nothing but trolls constituting the "opposition" here. Shocking.
 
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