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(Marketwatch)   Yes, it's that time again: Wall Street's prediction of the 10 brands that won't be around in 2013   (marketwatch.com) divider line 74
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2012-09-29 09:28:56 AM
Can't really say I will miss any of them.
 
2012-09-29 10:34:26 AM
US Air will buy out American Airlines in 2013.

Book it. Done.
 
2012-09-29 12:16:19 PM
-Avon.. meh.. they're in bad shape, but I have a feeling they'll still be around. Even if they end up selling out to someone, the name is too iconic for any buyer to drop.
-MetroPCS. TFA says they're an acquisition target, but who would buy or merge with them? FCC/FTC would likely block any attempt by Verizion, Sprint doesn't have the capital and AT&T or T-Mo wouldn't make sense. -Maybe- US Cellular. Maybe.
-Raiders aren't going anywhere, stop it.
-Salon sucks (it has scripts that tend to lock up Chrome) and no one would miss it
-I can't remember the last time I've even seen a Suzuki on the road
-PacSun.. meh
-RIM. This one's interesting. While I don't think they're doomed in 2013, I don't see them surviving much longer beyond that. One of two things can happen.. a larger player buys them out, or the Canadian gov't bails them out.
-Current TV . Yeah.. see, this one is their own dumbass fault. I'm not saying hiring Olbermann is at fault, but in the process they cut what made the network actually good, and it's been downhill from there
-Talbots.. meh
-American won't disappear as a brand. US Air will buy them out, but take their name (and switch from Star Alliance to Oneworld in the process)
 
2012-09-29 12:16:55 PM
Research in Motion is on the list???! NO, CAN'T BE.
 
2012-09-29 12:35:48 PM
RIM jobs are circling the bowl.
 
2012-09-29 12:55:54 PM

The Bestest: -Talbots.. meh


Hey, where will all those middle aged and elderly women buy clothes?

I can't believe Sears is still around. It's been hanging by a thread since the 1980s.
 
2012-09-29 02:13:47 PM
What - no Kodak?
 
2012-09-29 02:17:57 PM

PsychoPhil: What - no Kodak?


They're a candidate for sure. Last year they stopped making cameras.. just earlier this week they announced they will no longer make printers (they will continue to make the ink cartridges and paper though). Not sure how many avenues of business they have left.
 
2012-09-29 03:01:26 PM
American Suzuki? Maybe. Damn shame, too. They've got nice cars for sale. People just forget they exist.

Suzuki cars worldwide? Not a chance in hell would that disappear. Many don't realize their the second most-successful automaker in the Japanese market, over both Honda and Nissan. They absolutely dominate the lower-taxed kei-car market. If they would bring some of their even smaller, hugely-efficient cars to America, they might be able to carve a niche in the market.
 
2012-09-29 03:02:40 PM
they're*

Dammit.
 
2012-09-29 03:13:16 PM

DiRF: American Suzuki? Maybe. Damn shame, too. They've got nice cars for sale. People just forget they exist.

Suzuki cars worldwide? Not a chance in hell would that disappear. Many don't realize their the second most-successful automaker in the Japanese market, over both Honda and Nissan. They absolutely dominate the lower-taxed kei-car market. If they would bring some of their even smaller, hugely-efficient cars to America, they might be able to carve a niche in the market.


Unlike Saab, they'll survive at home.

But Suzuki never really recovered in the US from the Consumer Reports bullshiat.

That said, has anyone seen Isuzu lately? (Think the worst of the two....bad press from CR on an okay vehicle, combined with the rotting corpse of GM....)
 
2012-09-29 03:18:27 PM

Nabb1: The Bestest: -Talbots.. meh

Hey, where will all those middle aged and elderly women buy clothes?

I can't believe Sears is still around. It's been hanging by a thread since the 1980s.


Might explain why they're losing so much money. Running all of those Galifreyan stasis generators that lock in every store inside of it's own time bubble of 1985 must cost a fortune in fuel.
 
2012-09-29 03:31:57 PM
Yeah, Isuzu's completely gone from America. Only their commercial truck business is still here... sort of.
 
2012-09-29 03:33:31 PM
I should probably mention, Suzuki holds a place in my heart... I helped my mother pick out her Suzuki SX4 five years ago... she still loves that car, and I'm quite fond of it as well. It replaced her Chevrolet Tracker, which, funny enough, was also a Suzuki vehicle (gussied up in American threads)
 
2012-09-29 03:59:31 PM
Must be saving Sony for 2014.
 
2012-09-29 04:03:29 PM

AlgertMan: Must be saving Sony for 2014.


wut
 
2012-09-29 04:22:38 PM

The Bestest: PsychoPhil: What - no Kodak?

They're a candidate for sure. Last year they stopped making cameras.. just earlier this week they announced they will no longer make printers (they will continue to make the ink cartridges and paper though). Not sure how many avenues of business they have left.


From one article:

Kodak's future is now pinned to the second piece of Mr. Perez's turnaround plan-selling printing equipment and services to companies, which largely centers around its Prosper Press digital printers.

Also:

The company is still working to scale up manufacturing of the giant, room-sized Prosper Presses sold by its commercial-printing business. It currently sells about two dozen a year. Kodak is considering outsourcing production of the machines or creating a joint venture with companies in Asia, the person said.

They're a goner. Who picks up the film (if anyone) and related stuff is beyond me.

I give Kodak maybe another year.
 
2012-09-29 04:42:11 PM
SELL MORTIMER SELL
 
2012-09-29 04:48:35 PM
The American Airlines brand needs to die. it has a reputation for... well, crap. I have always hated flying American. Everyone who works there seems so stressed out. US Airways should retain their name if they do buy AA's assets.

Avon will probably be bought out by a major retailer and become an exclusive in store brand. Their brand value is way too high to just die.
 
2012-09-29 04:49:55 PM
Talbots- Meh, there's enough old people clothing stores their market can shop at (maybe Sears?)
CurrentTV- I know I get this channel, but I have never watched it, not even for a second. I have no idea what they even air on here.
Suzuki- They have been making some interesting cars, but poor/nonexistent marketing and dealer network. Not to mention they are priced similar to a Hyundai and countless other brands. I would snatch up a Suzuki Equator on the cheap though if they do go belly-up (it's a rebadged Nissan frontier). I'm surprised Mitsubishi is still around as well..their name has been on other "dead brands" lists.
Salon.com- So this site has been around forever? I've heard of it and probably read some articles on it, but that is about it. You only need so many news/blog/etc. sites.
MetroPCS- No idea, but it seems like Cricket has whooped their ass in the poor/illegal Mexican phone demographic. (There are so many companies you can get a prepaid plan from that will be cheaper and have better coverage than any of these 3rd party carriers).

I'm also surprised of the no mention of Kodak (since they now really make absolutely nothing), Best Buy, etc. Sears/Kmart has somewhat been improving (which isn't hard when you are already one of the worst the worst retailers), so I'd give them a couple more years before they go out completely. Maybe this will be the year that Nokia tanks (in the U.S anyway), if their Windows phones do poorly in sales.
 
2012-09-29 04:52:49 PM

The Bestest:
-RIM. This one's interesting. While I don't think they're doomed in 2013, I don't see them surviving much longer beyond that. One of two things can happen.. a larger player buys them out, or the Canadian gov't bails them out.


HP has said that it wants to get into the smartphone market, and has a history of making terrible acquisitions.

looks like Meg Whitman will be getting some RIM jobs soon.

/oh yes, I went there
 
2012-09-29 04:53:08 PM
Radio Shack
 
2012-09-29 04:53:54 PM

ZodiacMan: The American Airlines brand needs to die. it has a reputation for... well, crap. I have always hated flying American. Everyone who works there seems so stressed out. US Airways should retain their name if they do buy AA's assets.


US Airways has already declared intent to take the American name (and drop US Airways) should they be successful in takeover.
 
2012-09-29 04:59:35 PM

dumbobruni: HP has said that it wants to get into the smartphone market, and has a history of making terrible acquisitions.


..but they already DID that.

They bought Palm, pushed out a line of smartphones with the Pre3 as its flagship (which completely bombed), then gave up.

If they started making overtures towards RIM, I'm pretty sure their shareholders would revolt.
 
2012-09-29 05:01:06 PM

PsychoPhil: The Bestest: PsychoPhil: What - no Kodak?

They're a candidate for sure. Last year they stopped making cameras.. just earlier this week they announced they will no longer make printers (they will continue to make the ink cartridges and paper though). Not sure how many avenues of business they have left.

From one article:

Kodak's future is now pinned to the second piece of Mr. Perez's turnaround plan-selling printing equipment and services to companies, which largely centers around its Prosper Press digital printers.

Also:

The company is still working to scale up manufacturing of the giant, room-sized Prosper Presses sold by its commercial-printing business. It currently sells about two dozen a year. Kodak is considering outsourcing production of the machines or creating a joint venture with companies in Asia, the person said.

They're a goner. Who picks up the film (if anyone) and related stuff is beyond me.

I give Kodak maybe another year.


Kodak has one of the biggest image and tech gadget related patent portfolios in the world. Companies like Google, Apple, Samsung, etc are jealous of what Kodak has. They could literally mail it in forever and run a business off the patent residuals.
 
2012-09-29 05:05:51 PM

bhcompy: Kodak has one of the biggest image and tech gadget related patent portfolios in the world. Companies like Google, Apple, Samsung, etc are jealous of what Kodak has. They could literally mail it in forever and run a business off the patent residuals.


Kodak auctioned off a ton a patents last month to emerge from bankruptcy..

..mainly to Google and Apple.
 
2012-09-29 05:07:25 PM

The Bestest: bhcompy: Kodak has one of the biggest image and tech gadget related patent portfolios in the world. Companies like Google, Apple, Samsung, etc are jealous of what Kodak has. They could literally mail it in forever and run a business off the patent residuals.

Kodak auctioned off a ton a patents last month to emerge from bankruptcy..

..mainly to Google and Apple.


Didn't know.. looked it up. WSJ reports 2 weeks ago that the sale fell through?
 
2012-09-29 05:14:10 PM

bhcompy: Didn't know.. looked it up. WSJ reports 2 weeks ago that the sale fell through?


Huh. Actually hadn't heard that. Reading this.. this sorta tells me they're in worse shape than I thought.
 
2012-09-29 05:26:37 PM

hurdboy: That said, has anyone seen Isuzu lately?


Isuzu pulled out of the US market a few years ago
 
2012-09-29 05:27:37 PM

Nabb1: The Bestest: -Talbots.. meh

Hey, where will all those middle aged and elderly women buy clothes?

I can't believe Sears is still around. It's been hanging by a thread since the 1980s.


Not exactly. It was bought out by K-mart a few years ago. Now they suck together! (Honestly both should be on this list but maybe the author thought they were already gone)
 
2012-09-29 05:35:48 PM

cfreak: (Honestly both should be on this list but maybe the author thought they were already gone)


Sears was on last year's list but is still around. They're not gonna double down on a bet they already lost.
 
2012-09-29 05:38:44 PM
Best Buy is circling the drain too.
 
2012-09-29 05:42:13 PM

The Bestest: cfreak: (Honestly both should be on this list but maybe the author thought they were already gone)

Sears was on last year's list but is still around. They're not gonna double down on a bet they already lost.


Didn't see it last year. Obviously I've not been reading enough Fark :-D
 
2012-09-29 05:43:12 PM
Also MetroPCS deserves to die due to their commercials alone.
 
2012-09-29 05:48:42 PM

cig-mkr: Best Buy is circling the drain too.


Surprised they weren't there. The WSJ will probably put them on the 2014 list.
 
2012-09-29 06:02:45 PM

The Bestest: bhcompy: Didn't know.. looked it up. WSJ reports 2 weeks ago that the sale fell through?

Huh. Actually hadn't heard that. Reading this.. this sorta tells me they're in worse shape than I thought.


Supposedly, the bids were in the hundreds of millions at best, whereas Kodak was expecting a few billion.

They're now begging the court to extend their exclusivity on bankruptcy plans for a few more moths, the stuff I've read says the creditors are thinking ch 7 at this point for the firm.

Film is effectively dead. Motion Picture film is on its way out. They sold off their chemicals long ago, sold the gelatin
division, dumped cameras, now they're dumping consumer printers. There's nothing left of Kodak but bills and and a two dozen unit a year digital press bussiness. You can't keep a large company going on unit sales of 24 PER YEAR.

I sure as hell wouldn't buy a Kodak printer now - who knows if you'll be able to get ink for it in the near future, regardless of what they say. Consumer printers and commercial printers were going to 'save' Kodak, along with a patent sale that flopped.

As for their film - shoot your last rolls now. It's a shame, cause their motion picture line in particular was really nice.
 
2012-09-29 06:17:04 PM
What's the tl;dr list?
 
2012-09-29 06:21:01 PM
Kodak sealed their fate the day they killed Kodachrome.
 
2012-09-29 06:23:31 PM

fastbow: Kodak sealed their fate the day they killed Kodachrome.


Mama took it away.
 
2012-09-29 06:31:15 PM

The Bestest: -Avon.. meh.. they're in bad shape, but I have a feeling they'll still be around. Even if they end up selling out to someone, the name is too iconic for any buyer to drop.


My first girlfriend sold Avon. GF 2.0 (who became Wife 1.0) buys Mary Kay if she gets that kind of cosmetics.

-MetroPCS. TFA says they're an acquisition target, but who would buy or merge with them? FCC/FTC would likely block any attempt by Verizion, Sprint doesn't have the capital and AT&T or T-Mo wouldn't make sense. -Maybe- US Cellular. Maybe.

Isn't Metro PCS a CDMA carrier? - so, As you say, AT&T or T-Mobile don't fit.

I'd like them to stay in business, if only to have CDMA alternative to VZW. I look at Metro's pricing every time my contract comes up for renewal, but by the time I calculate out the roaming in places I go regularly, it's at best a wash, and could be more expensive for me. Now, when it comes time for our youts to get a phone, the Metro PCS/ Boost / Straight Talk is where we will probably go.
 
2012-09-29 06:38:13 PM
... repeated?
 
2012-09-29 06:39:07 PM

PsychoPhil:

As for their film - shoot your last rolls now. It's a shame, cause their motion picture line in particular was really nice.


I sold off my 35mm stuff last month. Didn't get much for it, but I had not used it in over three years. Nikon FM2 with a Data back, couple of decent zooms, and a flash. I had that camera for almost 30 years, and shot a lot of stuff in lots of places. Kodachrome, Tri-X, Pan-X, and a lot of the Fuji stuff for high ISO. Ilford XP-1 and -2 were fun B&W films. The 1/4000th mechanical shutter on the FM-2 was awesome.

And I had worn out a Canon SRT in high school and college.

/Get off my Kodak Yellow lawn.
 
2012-09-29 06:41:05 PM

Unobtanium: Isn't Metro PCS a CDMA carrier? - so, As you say, AT&T or T-Mobile don't fit.


correct

I'd like them to stay in business, if only to have CDMA alternative to VZW. I look at Metro's pricing every time my contract comes up for renewal, but by the time I calculate out the roaming in places I go regularly, it's at best a wash, and could be more expensive for me.

Any problem with Sprint? They don't charge for roaming on VZW's network (as long as you're not -always- roaming).
 
2012-09-29 06:44:59 PM

PsychoPhil:
As for their film - shoot your last rolls now. It's a shame, cause their motion picture line in particular was really nice.


Odd. The last thing I read on APUG was links to communications posted on Facebook (yes, really) from two weeks ago - Kodak is still making film; the business that *sells* Kodak film is for sale but the business that makes it is not. The buyer of the sales division will be expected to sell Kodak-produced film, though they say they'd also consider a licensing agreement.

The trouble with Kodak is infrastructure. Kind of like how GM was pre-bankruptcy. They're set up to make film in a world where everyone shoots film, and now that few people do, they have too many fixed expenses to operate in the market as it exists today. Compare to Ilford or Foma, which are sized to match their market and will probably be around indefinitely.

But they only make B&W products. The real problem is color film - Kodak and Fuji are the only companies that make it, and both are struggling with those lines. The only reason still film exists is because the same emulsions are used for movie film. When movie producers stop buying film, still film production will end. I wouldn't be a bit shocked to see the end of color still film production before the decade is out. I wonder what the ROI would be if you bought a few bricks of it now and froze it for 20 years.
 
2012-09-29 07:43:30 PM
American Apparel? Fine with me.
 
2012-09-29 08:04:05 PM

PsychoPhil: The Bestest: bhcompy: Didn't know.. looked it up. WSJ reports 2 weeks ago that the sale fell through?

Huh. Actually hadn't heard that. Reading this.. this sorta tells me they're in worse shape than I thought.

Supposedly, the bids were in the hundreds of millions at best, whereas Kodak was expecting a few billion.

They're now begging the court to extend their exclusivity on bankruptcy plans for a few more moths, the stuff I've read says the creditors are thinking ch 7 at this point for the firm.

Film is effectively dead. Motion Picture film is on its way out. They sold off their chemicals long ago, sold the gelatin
division, dumped cameras, now they're dumping consumer printers. There's nothing left of Kodak but bills and and a two dozen unit a year digital press bussiness. You can't keep a large company going on unit sales of 24 PER YEAR.

I sure as hell wouldn't buy a Kodak printer now - who knows if you'll be able to get ink for it in the near future, regardless of what they say. Consumer printers and commercial printers were going to 'save' Kodak, along with a patent sale that flopped.

As for their film - shoot your last rolls now. It's a shame, cause their motion picture line in particular was really nice.


How sad. Think of the millions of photographers who got ttheir start with Kodak.
 
2012-09-29 08:13:22 PM
Talbot's:

My late wife used to make bank off them; they had a overstock outlet a mile away; she would get stuff for next to nothing and make tenfold her investment on eBay. The clothes were a bit plain, but high quality and not likely to embarrass the wearer 5 years later.

Then they closed the outlet.
 
2012-09-29 08:15:45 PM

Vectron: American Apparel? Fine with me.


I liked the shirts that Woot used to use but I hear they were a nightmare company to work for.
 
2012-09-29 08:48:16 PM
Knocked it out of the park in 2012 2012 disappearances

Did they get three of those right?
 
2012-09-29 10:37:07 PM

DiRF: American Suzuki? Maybe. Damn shame, too. They've got nice cars for sale. People just forget they exist.

Suzuki cars worldwide? Not a chance in hell would that disappear. Many don't realize their the second most-successful automaker in the Japanese market, over both Honda and Nissan. They absolutely dominate the lower-taxed kei-car market. If they would bring some of their even smaller, hugely-efficient cars to America, they might be able to carve a niche in the market.


The sx4 has a pretty bad safety record ans suzuki's in general aren't stellar in those regards.
 
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